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"Fred Stone" |
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27 Sep 2005 06:35:25 AM |
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Anti-War, My Foot |
http://slate.com/id/2126913
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington.
By Christopher Hitchens
Updated Monday, Sept. 26, 2005, at 11:19 AM PT
Are they really "anti-war"?
Saturday's demonstration in Washington, in favor of immediate withdrawal
of coalition forces from Iraq, was the product of an opportunistic
alliance between two other very disparate "coalitions." Here is how the
New York Times (after a front-page and an inside headline, one of them
reading "Speaking Up Against War" and one of them reading "Antiwar
Rallies Staged in Washington and Other Cities") described the two
constituenciess of the event:
The protests were largely sponsored by two groups, the Answer
Coalition, which embodies a wide range of progressive political
objectives, and United for Peace and Justice, which has a more narrow,
antiwar focus.
The name of the reporter on this story was Michael Janofsky. I suppose
that it is possible that he has never before come across "International
ANSWER," the group run by the "Worker's World" party and fronted by
Ramsey Clark, which openly supports Kim Jong-il, Fidel Castro, Slobodan
Milosevic, and the "resistance" in Afghanistan and Iraq, with Clark
himself finding extra time to volunteer as attorney for the génocidaires
in Rwanda. Quite a "wide range of progressive political objectives"
indeed, if that's the sort of thing you like. However, a dip into any
database could have furnished Janofsky with well-researched and well-
written articles by David Corn and Marc Cooper—to mention only two
radical left journalists—who have exposed "International ANSWER" as a
front for (depending on the day of the week) fascism, Stalinism, and
jihadism.
The group self-lovingly calling itself "United for Peace and Justice" is
by no means "narrow" in its "antiwar focus" but rather represents a very
extended alliance between the Old and the New Left, some of it honorable
and some of it redolent of the World Youth Congresses that used to bring
credulous priests and fellow-traveling hacks together to discuss
"peace" in East Berlin or Bucharest. Just to give you an example, from
one who knows the sectarian makeup of the Left very well, I can tell you
that the Worker's World Party—Ramsey Clark's core outfit—is the product
of a split within the Trotskyist movement. These were the ones who felt
that the Trotskyist majority, in 1956, was wrong to denounce the Russian
invasion of Hungary. The WWP is the direct, lineal product of that
depraved rump. If the "United for Peace and Justice" lot want to sink
their differences with such riffraff and mount a joint demonstration,
then they invite some principled political criticism on their own
account. And those who just tag along … well, they just tag along.
To be against war and militarism, in the tradition of Rosa Luxemburg and
Karl Liebknecht, is one thing. But to have a record of consistent
support for war and militarism, from the Red Army in Eastern Europe to
the Serbian ethnic cleansers and the Taliban, is quite another. It is
really a disgrace that the liberal press refers to such enemies of
liberalism as "antiwar" when in reality they are straight-out pro-war,
but on the other side. Was there a single placard saying, "No to Jihad"?
Of course not. Or a single placard saying, "Yes to Kurdish self-
determination" or "We support Afghan women's struggle"? Don't make me
laugh. And this in a week when Afghans went back to the polls, and when
Iraqis were preparing to do so, under a hail of fire from those who blow
up mosques and U.N. buildings, behead aid workers and journalists,
proclaim fatwahs against the wrong kind of Muslim, and utter hysterical
diatribes against Jews and Hindus.
Some of the leading figures in this "movement," such as George Galloway
and Michael Moore, are obnoxious enough to come right out and say that
they support the Baathist-jihadist alliance. Others prefer to declare
their sympathy in more surreptitious fashion. The easy way to tell
what's going on is this: Just listen until they start to criticize such
gangsters even a little, and then wait a few seconds before the speaker
says that, bad as these people are, they were invented or created by the
United States. That bad, huh? (You might think that such an
accusation—these thugs were cloned by the American empire for God's
sake—would lead to instant condemnation. But if you thought that, gentle
reader, you would be wrong.)
The two preferred metaphors are, depending on the speaker, that the Bin-
Ladenists are the fish that swim in the water of Muslim discontent or
the mosquitoes that rise from the swamp of Muslim discontent. (Quite
often, the same images are used in the same harangue.) The "fish in the
water" is an old trope, borrowed from Mao's hoary theory of guerrilla
warfare and possessing a certain appeal to comrades who used to pore
over the Little Red Book. The mosquitoes are somehow new and hover above
the water rather than slip through it. No matter. The toxic nature of
the "water" or "swamp" is always the same: American support for Israel.
Thus, the existence of the Taliban regime cannot be swamplike,
presumably because mosquitoes are born and not made. The huge swamp that
was Saddam's Iraq has only become a swamp since 2003. The organized
murder of Muslims by Muslims in Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan is only
a logical reaction to the summit of globalizers at Davos. The stoning
and veiling of women must be a reaction to Zionism. While the attack on
the World Trade Center—well, who needs reminding that chickens, or is it
mosquitoes, come home to roost?
There are only two serious attempts at swamp-draining currently under
way. In Afghanistan and Iraq, agonizingly difficult efforts are in train
to build roads, repair hospitals, hand out ballot papers, frame
constitutions, encourage newspapers and satellite dishes, and generally
evolve some healthy water in which civil-society fish may swim. But in
each case, from within the swamp and across the borders, the most
poisonous snakes and roaches are being recruited and paid to wreck the
process and plunge people back into the ooze. How nice to have a
"peace" movement that is either openly on the side of the vermin, or
neutral as between them and the cleanup crew, and how delightful to have
a press that refers to this partisanship, or this neutrality, as
"progressive."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "JTEM" |
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27 Sep 2005 07:50:12 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Anti-War, My Foot
Oh, okay. So it was simply a few hundred thousand people
all united in there disapproval of Bush.
Nothing for the Republicans to be worried about there...
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| User: "quibbler" |
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27 Sep 2005 09:34:02 AM |
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In article <1127820925.2d518fbc0fedbe33354e918573e728c8@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://slate.com/id/2126913
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington.
By Christopher Hitchens
As Galloway said when he wiped the floor with Hitchens in a recent CSPAN
debate, Hitchens has personally accomplished the first ever metamorphosis
from a butterfly, back into a slug. He also noted that the thing about
slugs is that they leave a trail of slime where ever they go and that is
certainly true of the muckraking, drink-soaked popinjay Hitchens in his
present "work".
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Sep 2005 10:56:01 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da3064359598daa989684@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127820925.2d518fbc0fedbe33354e918573e728c8@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://slate.com/id/2126913
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington.
By Christopher Hitchens
As Galloway said when he wiped the floor with Hitchens in a recent
CSPAN debate,
It figures you'd score that debate for the loudmouthed blowhard.
Hitchens has personally accomplished the first ever
metamorphosis from a butterfly, back into a slug. He also noted that
the thing about slugs is that they leave a trail of slime where ever
they go and that is certainly true of the muckraking, drink-soaked
popinjay Hitchens in his present "work".
Nice to see that the left, as usual, can't actually address Hitch's
comments but have to cut them or ignore them in favor of resorting to
adhominems.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "fester" |
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27 Sep 2005 05:30:00 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da3064359598daa989684@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127820925.2d518fbc0fedbe33354e918573e728c8@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://slate.com/id/2126913
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington.
By Christopher Hitchens
As Galloway said when he wiped the floor with Hitchens in a recent
CSPAN debate,
It figures you'd score that debate for the loudmouthed blowhard.
Hitchens has personally accomplished the first ever
metamorphosis from a butterfly, back into a slug. He also noted that
the thing about slugs is that they leave a trail of slime where ever
they go and that is certainly true of the muckraking, drink-soaked
popinjay Hitchens in his present "work".
Nice to see that the left, as usual, can't actually address Hitch's
comments but have to cut them or ignore them in favor of resorting to
adhominems.
Oh yeah, Fat ***** was so clever. He laid one insult down after another. Too
bad he had absolutely nothing to say about the topic under discussion. In short
he was entirely representative of advanced, modern liberal thought. Utterly
sterile, aside from infantile tantrums.
The problem with today's liberal protesters is that they have nothing in common
with each other. They're a patchwork of special-interests with the only
unifying factor being that they hate those mean, old neo-cons. Back in the good
old days, when we were protesting 'Nam, we had something that's missing today.
GOOD MUSIC! Let's face it, Neil young, CSN, Hendrix, Joplin, Country Joe and on
and on ROCKED! Everyone loved them all, and they brought people together in
their rebelliousness. These days, musicians and audiences are segmented in
non-overlapping constituencies just like their anti-establishment audiences.
They're pissed, but they've all got their own beef and couldn't care less about
anyone else. As a symptom, it's funny to watch mommy moonbat getting jerked
around to be first one group's mouth piece and then another's. She had some
cred when all she did was protest the war. But she went over the top, and now
she's pimped out to the eco-commies, the welfare commies, and all the other
neo-commies out there.
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| User: "towelie" |
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28 Sep 2005 04:19:49 AM |
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TV's fester wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
The problem with today's liberal protesters is that they have nothing in
common with each other. They're a patchwork of special-interests with
the only unifying factor being that they hate those mean, old neo-cons.
Back in the good old days, when we were protesting 'Nam, we had
something that's missing today. GOOD MUSIC! Let's face it, Neil young,
CSN, Hendrix, Joplin, Country Joe and on and on ROCKED! Everyone loved
them all, and they brought people together in their rebelliousness. These
days, musicians and audiences are segmented in non-overlapping
constituencies just like their anti-establishment audiences.
That's not true. Most modern music fans listen to lots of different kinds
of music, old and new.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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28 Sep 2005 02:19:33 PM |
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In article <1127836561.bac9398ae00ca7b0cd59f95baa8656bd@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da3064359598daa989684@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127820925.2d518fbc0fedbe33354e918573e728c8@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://slate.com/id/2126913
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington.
By Christopher Hitchens
As Galloway said when he wiped the floor with Hitchens in a recent
CSPAN debate,
It figures you'd score that debate for the loudmouthed blowhard.
No, no, I scored it *against* the loudmothed blowhard who goes by the
name Christopher Hitchens.
Hitchens has personally accomplished the first ever
metamorphosis from a butterfly, back into a slug. He also noted that
the thing about slugs is that they leave a trail of slime where ever
they go and that is certainly true of the muckraking, drink-soaked
popinjay Hitchens in his present "work".
Nice to see that the left, as usual, can't actually address Hitch's
comments but have to cut them or ignore them in favor of resorting to
adhominems.
Hitchens has nothing but personal smear and hypocrisy himself. He smears
those who opposed the Gulf War, despite the fact that Christopher
Hitchens himself opposed the first Gulf War and knew that Saddam Hussein
was a brutal dictator at the time. He makes much hay of the socialist
leanings of Ramsey Clark, despite the fact that Hitchens was a far more
hard-core socialist than Ramsey. As Galloway said, his father warned him
never to wrestle with a chimney sweep, which is precisely why I don't
bother with jackasses like Hitchens or yourself.
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| User: "Katt" |
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28 Sep 2005 02:48:39 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da49aae57f77863989685@news.
Hitchens has nothing but personal smear and hypocrisy himself. He smears
those who opposed the Gulf War, despite the fact that Christopher
Hitchens himself opposed the first Gulf War and knew that Saddam Hussein
was a brutal dictator at the time. He makes much hay of the socialist
leanings of Ramsey Clark, despite the fact that Hitchens was a far more
hard-core socialist than Ramsey.
Have you heard what Martin Amis quotes Hitchens as saying to him a few
decades back? Hitchens was a man of the hard-left then, and apparently felt
able to insist that "There was no famine under Stalin. There were
*occasional shortages*...".
Prizewinning!
See the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786868767/002-0279944-5372863?v=glance
Katt.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Sep 2005 03:36:39 PM |
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"Katt" <katt@g.com> wrote in
news:rsC_e.3714$DO.2859@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da49aae57f77863989685@news.
Hitchens has nothing but personal smear and hypocrisy himself. He
smears those who opposed the Gulf War, despite the fact that
Christopher Hitchens himself opposed the first Gulf War and knew that
Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator at the time. He makes much hay
of the socialist leanings of Ramsey Clark, despite the fact that
Hitchens was a far more hard-core socialist than Ramsey.
Have you heard what Martin Amis quotes Hitchens as saying to him a few
decades back? Hitchens was a man of the hard-left then, and apparently
felt able to insist that "There was no famine under Stalin. There were
*occasional shortages*...".
Prizewinning!
See the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786868767/002-0279944-
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72863?v=glance
Katt.
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "quibbler" |
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28 Sep 2005 10:32:58 PM |
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In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just mean
something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct quote from
Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
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| User: "towelie" |
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29 Sep 2005 02:53:36 AM |
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TV's quibbler wrote:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just mean
something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct quote from
Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican. If he were
talking about a Democrat, the term he would use would be "gospel truth."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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29 Sep 2005 08:19:54 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just mean
something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct quote from
Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
If he were talking about a Democrat, the term he would use would be
"gospel truth."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Sep 2005 11:01:39 AM |
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In article <1127999997.8a923dd87fd5ee42b3a15e223412d61b@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just mean
something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct quote from
Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
No, Hitchens won't admit that he has transformed into a republican, even
though he clearly has transmogrified into all of that and more due to the
whiskey, et al. Hitchen's still is religiously skeptical and
symbolically tries to advocate a little for some forms of social justice,
but this appears largely to be a ruse and a vestige to hide his
neoconification. It's about as believable as Bill O'Lielly claiming to
be non-partisan and to operate in a "no spin" zone.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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30 Sep 2005 12:18:42 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70f519bce4daa98968f@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127999997.8a923dd87fd5ee42b3a15e223412d61b@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just
mean something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct
quote from Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
No, Hitchens won't admit that he has transformed into a republican,
even though he clearly has transmogrified into all of that and more
due to the whiskey, et al. Hitchen's still is religiously skeptical
and symbolically tries to advocate a little for some forms of social
justice, but this appears largely to be a ruse and a vestige to hide
his neoconification. It's about as believable as Bill O'Lielly
claiming to be non-partisan and to operate in a "no spin" zone.
Oh, hogwash. He's still a lefty, he just repudiates his former stance
supporting Stalinist dictators like Saddam.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "towelie" |
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30 Sep 2005 12:51:01 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70f519bce4daa98968f@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127999997.8a923dd87fd5ee42b3a15e223412d61b@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just
mean something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct
quote from Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
No, Hitchens won't admit that he has transformed into a republican,
even though he clearly has transmogrified into all of that and more
due to the whiskey, et al. Hitchen's still is religiously skeptical
and symbolically tries to advocate a little for some forms of social
justice, but this appears largely to be a ruse and a vestige to hide
his neoconification. It's about as believable as Bill O'Lielly
claiming to be non-partisan and to operate in a "no spin" zone.
Oh, hogwash. He's still a lefty, he just repudiates his former stance
supporting Stalinist dictators like Saddam.
I thought Saddam was "the next Hitler." He can't be a Stalinist and a Nazi.
Pick one.
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30 Sep 2005 01:44:57 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QfWdnYSlHaKA5qDeRVn-vg@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70f519bce4daa98968f@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127999997.8a923dd87fd5ee42b3a15e223412d61b@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article
<1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just
mean something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct
quote from Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
No, Hitchens won't admit that he has transformed into a republican,
even though he clearly has transmogrified into all of that and more
due to the whiskey, et al. Hitchen's still is religiously skeptical
and symbolically tries to advocate a little for some forms of social
justice, but this appears largely to be a ruse and a vestige to hide
his neoconification. It's about as believable as Bill O'Lielly
claiming to be non-partisan and to operate in a "no spin" zone.
Oh, hogwash. He's still a lefty, he just repudiates his former stance
supporting Stalinist dictators like Saddam.
I thought Saddam was "the next Hitler." He can't be a Stalinist and a
Nazi. Pick one.
Why not?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "towelie" |
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30 Sep 2005 02:38:13 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QfWdnYSlHaKA5qDeRVn-vg@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70f519bce4daa98968f@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127999997.8a923dd87fd5ee42b3a15e223412d61b@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article
<1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't just
mean something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct
quote from Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
No, Hitchens won't admit that he has transformed into a republican,
even though he clearly has transmogrified into all of that and more
due to the whiskey, et al. Hitchen's still is religiously skeptical
and symbolically tries to advocate a little for some forms of social
justice, but this appears largely to be a ruse and a vestige to hide
his neoconification. It's about as believable as Bill O'Lielly
claiming to be non-partisan and to operate in a "no spin" zone.
Oh, hogwash. He's still a lefty, he just repudiates his former stance
supporting Stalinist dictators like Saddam.
I thought Saddam was "the next Hitler." He can't be a Stalinist and a
Nazi. Pick one.
Why not?
Because everything is black and white in your world.
Besides, Stalinism and Naziism are mutually incompatible.
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30 Sep 2005 03:02:04 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:l96dnZB1RLekCaDeRVn-vA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QfWdnYSlHaKA5qDeRVn-vg@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70f519bce4daa98968f@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127999997.8a923dd87fd5ee42b3a15e223412d61b@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article
<1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't
just mean something you hear or say. The man is claiming a
direct quote from Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
No, Hitchens won't admit that he has transformed into a
republican, even though he clearly has transmogrified into all of
that and more due to the whiskey, et al. Hitchen's still is
religiously skeptical and symbolically tries to advocate a little
for some forms of social justice, but this appears largely to be a
ruse and a vestige to hide his neoconification. It's about as
believable as Bill O'Lielly claiming to be non-partisan and to
operate in a "no spin" zone.
Oh, hogwash. He's still a lefty, he just repudiates his former
stance supporting Stalinist dictators like Saddam.
I thought Saddam was "the next Hitler." He can't be a Stalinist and
a Nazi. Pick one.
Why not?
Because everything is black and white in your world.
No, towelie, I'm not a leftist.
Besides, Stalinism and Naziism are mutually incompatible.
Not really. Both are totalitarian systems, both involved government
control of business and socialist policies with regard to labor.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Sep 2005 03:36:56 PM |
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In article <1128110529.744d849d1bac3c6c9813d21f68477e86@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
No, towelie, I'm not a leftist.
Which is precisely why you live in a black and white world. You and
Georgie can't do "nuance".
Besides, Stalinism and Naziism are mutually incompatible.
Not really. Both are totalitarian systems, both involved government
control of business
So does the present crony corporatist kleptocracy under George and the
present pug congress.
and socialist policies with regard to labor.
No, hitler was quite opposed to the power of labor and stalin committed
violations of labor rights that no socialist would accept. Like all
fanatic pug liars, you can't stop falsely conflating socialism with
communism.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "towelie" |
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30 Sep 2005 03:26:55 PM |
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TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:l96dnZB1RLekCaDeRVn-vA@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:QfWdnYSlHaKA5qDeRVn-vg@centurytel.net:
TV's Fred Stone wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70f519bce4daa98968f@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127999997.8a923dd87fd5ee42b3a15e223412d61b@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:EridnUH8aesfAKbeRVn-jQ@centurytel.net:
TV's quibbler wrote:
In article
<1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means. It doesn't
just mean something you hear or say. The man is claiming a
direct quote from Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
In Fredlish, "hearsay" means something said about a Republican.
Hitchens isn't a Republican.
No, Hitchens won't admit that he has transformed into a
republican, even though he clearly has transmogrified into all of
that and more due to the whiskey, et al. Hitchen's still is
religiously skeptical and symbolically tries to advocate a little
for some forms of social justice, but this appears largely to be a
ruse and a vestige to hide his neoconification. It's about as
believable as Bill O'Lielly claiming to be non-partisan and to
operate in a "no spin" zone.
Oh, hogwash. He's still a lefty, he just repudiates his former
stance supporting Stalinist dictators like Saddam.
I thought Saddam was "the next Hitler." He can't be a Stalinist and
a Nazi. Pick one.
Why not?
Because everything is black and white in your world.
No, towelie, I'm not a leftist.
Okay, it's official: you're a satire.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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29 Sep 2005 07:45:54 AM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da50e54f8ac3a02989689@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means.
Hearsay means something somebody *claims* that somebody else said.
It doesn't just mean
something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct quote from
Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
Or to ignore it, which cannot be construed as proof that the alleged
quote is factual.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "quibbler" |
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30 Sep 2005 10:55:18 AM |
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In article <1127997954.aa8228e7f07977cc1070479300a51d69@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da50e54f8ac3a02989689@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means.
Hearsay means something somebody *claims* that somebody else said.
BZZZZZZZZZZT.
Hearsay: "Heard through another rather than directly". (see also gossip)
Any statement can be disputed, but that doesn't transform a direct quote
into hearsay. The issue is whether the alleged quote was heard directly
by the witness or if the only source of information was through a second
hand source. In this case the quote was reported directly by a witness
to it, rather than second or third hand repetition of it.
It doesn't just mean
something you hear or say. The man is claiming a direct quote from
Hitchens, who is free to confirm or deny it.
Or to ignore it, which cannot be construed as proof that the alleged
quote is factual.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-War, My Foot |
30 Sep 2005 12:15:54 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70dd2d922b50398968e@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127997954.aa8228e7f07977cc1070479300a51d69@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da50e54f8ac3a02989689@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means.
Hearsay means something somebody *claims* that somebody else said.
BZZZZZZZZZZT.
Hearsay: "Heard through another rather than directly". (see also
gossip)
Any statement can be disputed, but that doesn't transform a direct
quote into hearsay. The issue is whether the alleged quote was heard
directly by the witness or if the only source of information was
through a second hand source. In this case the quote was reported
directly by a witness to it, rather than second or third hand
repetition of it.
So what? It was from decades ago. Hitchens isn't allowed to change his
mind?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-War, My Foot |
30 Sep 2005 01:09:50 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1128100557.f17f1e0cab3cec3d2196881c0732235a@teranews...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da70dd2d922b50398968e@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127997954.aa8228e7f07977cc1070479300a51d69@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da50e54f8ac3a02989689@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127939804.48b7478d443b164180895672ff763cbb@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
Hearsay from a few decades back? Gosh.
Fred again forgets what the word hearsay means.
Hearsay means something somebody *claims* that somebody else said.
BZZZZZZZZZZT.
Hearsay: "Heard through another rather than directly". (see also
gossip)
Any statement can be disputed, but that doesn't transform a direct
quote into hearsay. The issue is whether the alleged quote was heard
directly by the witness or if the only source of information was
through a second hand source. In this case the quote was reported
directly by a witness to it, rather than second or third hand
repetition of it.
So what? It was from decades ago. Hitchens isn't allowed to change his
mind?
So what? Don't let the fact that he illustrated that you have no idea what
you're talking about get in your way, Fredo.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-War, My Foot |
28 Sep 2005 02:47:22 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da49aae57f77863989685@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127836561.bac9398ae00ca7b0cd59f95baa8656bd@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1da3064359598daa989684@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <1127820925.2d518fbc0fedbe33354e918573e728c8@teranews>,
fstone69@earthling.com says...
http://slate.com/id/2126913
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington.
By Christopher Hitchens
As Galloway said when he wiped the floor with Hitchens in a recent
CSPAN debate,
It figures you'd score that debate for the loudmouthed blowhard.
No, no, I scored it *against* the loudmothed blowhard who goes by the
name Christopher Hitchens.
So you admit, you judged the debate on personalities instead of content.
Hitchens has personally accomplished the first ever
metamorphosis from a butterfly, back into a slug. He also noted
that the thing about slugs is that they leave a trail of slime
where ever they go and that is certainly true of the muckraking,
drink-soaked popinjay Hitchens in his present "work".
Nice to see that the left, as usual, can't actually address Hitch's
comments but have to cut them or ignore them in favor of resorting to
adhominems.
Hitchens has nothing but personal smear and hypocrisy himself. He
smears those who opposed the Gulf War, despite the fact that
Christopher Hitchens himself opposed the first Gulf War and knew that
Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator at the time. He makes much hay
of the socialist leanings of Ramsey Clark, despite the fact that
Hitchens was a far more hard-core socialist than Ramsey.
Keyword: "WAS". Your problem with him is that he managed to learn what
you are still denying.
As Galloway
said, his father warned him never to wrestle with a chimney sweep,
which is precisely why I don't bother with jackasses like Hitchens or
yourself.
That must be why Galloway accepted the debate and you keep replying to
my posts with such venom.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "Divin Marquis" |
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27 Sep 2005 05:15:14 PM |
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Le Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:25 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington. By Christopher Hitchens
Hitchens ...
That guy's a joke. He makes even less sense than your average christard.
All of his discourse sounds like a compendium of logical fallacies. He
likes strawmen above all, but he certainly also fancies ad hominems and
false dichotomy a lot.
(Say, it's either we attack Saddam in 2003 or he gets nukes right away and
uses them. Ridiculous and soooo proven wrong it's not funny)
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Sep 2005 06:50:44 PM |
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Divin Marquis <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:pan.2005.09.27.22.15.14.864208@127.0.0.1:
Le Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:25 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington. By Christopher
Hitchens
Hitchens ...
That guy's a joke. He makes even less sense than your average
christard. All of his discourse sounds like a compendium of logical
fallacies. He likes strawmen above all, but he certainly also fancies
ad hominems and false dichotomy a lot.
Go ahead and prove your contentions. You've got all that text that you
snipped, go right ahead and prove that he's making up strawmen.
(Say, it's either we attack Saddam in 2003 or he gets nukes right away
and uses them. Ridiculous and soooo proven wrong it's not funny)
Non sequitur.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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27 Sep 2005 06:37:12 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:15:14 +0200, Divin Marquis
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Le Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:25 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington. By Christopher Hitchens
Hitchens ...
That guy's a joke. He makes even less sense than your average christard.
All of his discourse sounds like a compendium of logical fallacies. He
likes strawmen above all, but he certainly also fancies ad hominems and
false dichotomy a lot.
(Say, it's either we attack Saddam in 2003 or he gets nukes right away and
uses them. Ridiculous and soooo proven wrong it's not funny)
It's sad - Hitchens used to have a lot of common sense once.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-War, My Foot |
27 Sep 2005 07:01:50 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:esljj1h0fjs5ck6aslukhc331qq20qfroh@4ax.com:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:15:14 +0200, Divin Marquis
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Le Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:25 +0000, Fred Stone a écrit :
Anti-War, My Foot
The phony peaceniks who protested in Washington. By Christopher
Hitchens
Hitchens ...
That guy's a joke. He makes even less sense than your average
christard. All of his discourse sounds like a compendium of logical
fallacies. He likes strawmen above all, but he certainly also fancies
ad hominems and false dichotomy a lot.
(Say, it's either we attack Saddam in 2003 or he gets nukes right away
and uses them. Ridiculous and soooo proven wrong it's not funny)
It's sad - Hitchens used to have a lot of common sense once.
He still does, he disagrees with the hard left about terrorism.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"This city, for the first time that I can remember,
is drug-free and violence-free.
And we plan to keep it that way." - Mayor Ray Nagin
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