On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:20:51 -0600, "Russ Rose" <russrose@hotmail.com>
wrote:

It means, among
other things, that you're claiming that your god objectively exists.
And for which you have no objective evidence.

No, this is your incorrect interpretation based on your immature, biased
mind.

If you claim that your god *is* - anything - you're claiming that it
objectively exists. The only thing something that doesn't objectively
exist is, is nonexistent.

We're talking reality, not philosophy, which isn't reality.

It is fascinating that you would change the meaning of my words

"Is" means "has existence". I didn't change anything - "is" was your
word.

delete part of my explanation

Whining isn't an explanation. You really need to learn how natural
language works.

and then claim you are anywhere near reality.

All the adults reading my posts seem to think I'm pretty close to
reality - dead on it, in fact.

On 5 Jan 2007 20:24:48 -0800, "Sphere" <sphere1952@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I'll stick with the old notion of a god:
Anything much greater than me which I have
no effective method of dealing with.

Then anyone better trained than you, larger and stronger than you and
armed, is a god. You're free to use that definition, of course, but
you won't accomplish much communication with sane adults by using it.

When a god speaks the choices are pray and run.

We don't know that, since no god has ever spoken yet.

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I don't think I invented the term but I have been
seeing it bantied about for awhile, and I think
the first use of it I've ever seen was someone
describing my position. I think I'll have a go at
defining the term.

Antitheist: n. Somone who believes God is
a bad idea.

Since god is knowledge, those who believe knowledge to be a "bad
idea"
are
just plain stupid.

What rock do you crawl out from behind?

The granite edifice of reason.

God is the antithesis of knowldge. No idea has been used more to
prevent and silence those that have sought knowldge than the idea of
god.. No idea has been more responsible for destroying those that
wish
to challenge traditional lies.

You speak of humans using the name of "God" to do evil things. This is
on
par with humans using marketing to sell worthless products. It
succeeds
only
where there is an absence of knowledge and has nothing to do with the
true
spirit of world religions.

THere is NO "true spirit of world religion". If you think otherwise let
me know!

Obviously I know otherwise or I wouldn't make the statement. Your
statement
here demonstrates the religious prejudice you deny below.

Just as I thought!!!! There is no "true spirit of world religion". If
you knew what it was you would let me know!



Let's examine Prejudice....

If it were left to the church we would still beleive that the sun
revolved around the earth, and that the stars were bound to a
crystal
sphere just beyond the (geocentric) orbit of Saturn.

This is FACT

We would also be forced to beleive that we, amongst all other
immutable
species were the special creation of god and survivors of the Great
Deluge.

This is FACT

Again you refer to misguided human constructs.

I agree. I refer to god the most misguided of human constructs. You
seem to be contradicting yourself.

Only because you did not bother trying to understand my entire argument.

You have not presented an argument just like you have failed to tell me
what the "true spirit of world religion is".

Instead you chose to respond to individual statements out of context.
Another example of your prejudice.

Present an argument! Lift the wool from your eyes and the cloth from
your ears and say something worthwhile!

But even on the most mundane level, a beleive in god provides a
false
teleology for every phenomenon in the universe. Why seek knowledge
when
every answer is simple: god did it, it is done for god; his purpose
and
his will.

You have it backwards. Try opening your mind and thinking outside your
religious prejudice.

I have no religious prejudice. I have evidence that for those that
accept a god no further answers are necessry. God answers everything.
THe trouble is that it is no help to beleive this.
If AIDS is gods judgement on the society that allows homosexuality then
there is no reason to provide a cure.
If the existence of an embyro is god special creation then it is
forbidden to help a woman made pregnant by a rapist.

You describe (poorly) the mindset of perhaps a few religionists and
extrapolate that to anyone who believes in a diety.

Do you realise that 50% of Americans beleive that Noah's flood is a
literally true story?

They beleive god punishes people with the
weather. This idea had massive support during Katrina.

In the East the
dominant reason provided by priest for the Tsunami was that god was
punishing wickedness.

I have not extrapolated anything i merely present facts.

This is a blatant
example of your religious prejudice makes your first statement a lie.

Get off your high horse and tell me I am telling lies if you think I
am.

But you know that my words are the truth.

Take any of the silly religious constructs for which you hold such
contempt.

Name one - I don't know what you are talking about -really!

I did below as you discovered in reading the next sentence. Why you
didn't
scroll up and delete this stupid statement shows how little thought and
effort you put into attaining knowledge.

As I asked name one "silly religious constructs" that you claim I hold
in contempt!!!
I have read the next sentence and it fails to produce that which I have
asked for.

Substitute the concept of an imaginary diety with the reality of
knowledge.

This sentence is gibberish.

For example, the "what would Jesus do" (WWJD) catch phrase. Trade that
in
for "what would a knowledgeable person do" and it makes sense.

You are talking non-sense.

You may
not
consider Jesus to be "knowledgeable" in whatever aspect you need
advice,
but
that does not invalidate the concept. You would simply choose another
who's
wisdom you do trust and respect.

There is no "concept" here - valid or otherwise.

You are talking gibberish - WHy should I enter this process when I have
a personal moral code that is higher than many Christian's.

Higher than many? That statement leaves room for "lower than many" as
well.

What does a "moral code" have to do with seeking advice? Perhaps you were
born with the moral code you currently have and you have never sought
outside help in shaping it?

The fact that religous people only see the shadow on the wall of what
their
religion is intended to accomplish does not make them stupid, they are
just
ignorant, like children in need of education. To confuse them with
those
evil humans who use lies in the pursuit of knowledge to accomplish
their
evil acts is just plain stupid.

THis is not making any sense at all. You will have to explain yourself.

I did explain myself very clearly. You are trying to interpret my
statements
with your prejudices and that is where you lose your way. If you were to
open your mind just a tiny little bit you might begin to understand.

No really - you are talking complete bollocks. I cannot interpret your
statments (with prejudice or without) because you are not making any
sense! I think it is your mind that is closed off. Closed off by your
faith in god.

Let's try an example.
WWJD??
Ok a teenager wants to leave home, cut off his family and friends, to
live in a cult. He askes my advice. I apply WWJD.
Jesus said to follow me you must hate your mother and hate your father.

Reject your family and follow me.
So the advice is: yes join the cult and surrender your life, reject and
dishonour your parents.

Let's try another.
Bush asks do I attack Iran.
I ask what god would have done. Well god bade Joshua to smash down the
walls of Jericho. Indeed god continually exhorted his followers to
spite all non-beleivers.
My advice to Bush: attack, kill all the men and rape the women so that
the next generation will be Christians.

want to try some more??

Fac ut Vivas!!

Buy a brain!!!

I have one - where is yours??

Buy a new one then...

You can borrow my old one - your need is greater than mine

...

Happy New Year!