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"Liberals.HATE America!::" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:55:30 AM |
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ANWR: GET THE DRILLS READY! |
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
Just some quick facts for you to peruse:
a.. Caribou? They don't care. The population of the Central Artic
caribou herd near the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay has grown an average of 8.5%
per year. The oil exploration operations don't bother them a bit.
b.. When ANWR was created in 1980 a section was set aside for oil
exploration. It is that area in which the Senate has approved oil
exploration. Imagine that. Exploring for oil in a section of ANWR that was
set aside for exploring for oil. Who would have thunk it?
c.. Take the highest estimate of oil reserves from ANWR, then take the
lowest. Use those numbers to come up with a mean estimate of ANWR oil
potential. That figure is 10.4 billion barrels of oil. That much oil could
meet the total petroleum consumption needs of the state of New York for 34
years; Georgia for 54 years, Maine for 259 years, Pennsylvania for 39
years. That is not an insignificant amount of oil.
d.. If the most optimistic estimates of oil reserves in ANWR turn out to
be true, it would be enough to replace 30 years of oil imports from Saudi
Arabia. That is not an insignificant amount of oil.
e.. Will oil production from ANWR exceed estimates? Who knows? The
estimates for Prudhoe Bay were around eight billion barrels of oil. So far
we've extracted 14 billion barrels .. and we're not near through.
This is being referred to in USA Today and other newspapers as "a blow to
environmentalists." Exploring Section 1002 of ANWR for oil is not a blow to
true environmentalists. It is a blow to assorted leftists, socialists,
communists and various anti-American types who have all but taken over the
environmental movement, and whose true goal is not so much protecting the
environment as it is weakening the American economy.
As for Democrats? They're already reeling with Bush's success in
Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. Proposed elections in
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon. Syria pulling back in Lebanon and
pleading with Bush to give them time to reform. Messy? You bet! But it's
starting to look like Bush just may accomplish his goals in the Middle East.
The United States will be better off for it, and there will be the hated
George Bush taking the credit. So ...let's carry this forward to the ANWR
situation and oil prices. Right now oil prices are soaring. People are
paying over two bucks a gallon for gas. Sad to say, but Americans will
stand mute as the government seizes about 14% of each paycheck for the
hideous Social Security scheme .. but pay over two bucks a gallon for gas
and all hell breaks loose. Democrats are loving this. The price of gas
could be a huge campaign issue for 2006! I can hear it now: "Bush's failed
energy policy" and so forth.
So ... what could happen if exploration is authorized in ANWR? What if the
oil sheiks suddenly realize that America is serious about moving toward
energy independence? What steps could they take to protect their market
position? Well, for starters they could work to lower the price for crude
oil to bring prices down at the pump. With lower prices Democrats could
lose another campaign issue ... and Bush ends up looking good again.
Make no mistake .. there is a huge, almost insurmountable level of ignorance
about ANWR. You'll hear people talk of gently rolling grasslands, pristine
rushing streams and waterfalls, snow-capped mountains. True ... some parts
of ANWR fit this description ... but not section 1002 .. the section
originally set aside for oil exploration. In the Winter .. the only time
that vehicular traffic will be permitted across the precious frozen tundra
.... section 1002 looks like an iced-over dirt field.
I'll concede that there are people who are opposed to oil exploration in
section 1002 for purely environmental reasons. These people are deluded and
ill-informed. The rest of the opponents are lying to you about their
motives. Their goal is to make sure that America does not alleviate its
dependence on foreign oil sources, to weaken America's economy, and to keep
high gas prices as a campaign issue.
Crank up the drills.
boortz.com
--
Liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being.
They are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
www.liberalscum.com
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| Title: Re: ANWR: GET THE DRILLS READY! |
18 Mar 2005 09:18:34 PM |
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Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Lets Roll Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:31:17 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g5ma$qpg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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Someone has to find the oil John Kerry need to pump in his Private Jet he
uses to fly between his 5 worldwide mansions and luxury vacation
destinations.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:58:23 PM |
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ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g5ma$qpg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
Someone has to find the oil John Kerry need to pump in his Private Jet he
uses to fly between his 5 worldwide mansions and luxury vacation
destinations.
Typical neocon - always blame somebody else.
You have nothing but hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Lets Roll Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov" |
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18 Mar 2005 10:03:44 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g80v$tla$1@bolt.sonic.net...
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g5ma$qpg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as
of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent
oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
Someone has to find the oil John Kerry need to pump in his Private Jet
he
uses to fly between his 5 worldwide mansions and luxury vacation
destinations.
Typical neocon - always blame somebody else.
You have nothing but hate.
=======================
Typical Liberal . Bash the rich as long as the are republican, but vote for
the filthy Billioniares like Kerry because they are special filthy rich gas
guzzling hypocrits.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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18 Mar 2005 11:04:34 PM |
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ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g80v$tla$1@bolt.sonic.net...
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g5ma$qpg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as
of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent
oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
Someone has to find the oil John Kerry need to pump in his Private Jet
he
uses to fly between his 5 worldwide mansions and luxury vacation
destinations.
Typical neocon - always blame somebody else.
You have nothing but hate.
Typical Liberal . Bash the rich as long as the are republican,
Which I wasn't doing, but it's been obvious that all you have is lies.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: ANWR: GET THE DRILLS READY! |
18 Mar 2005 10:06:41 PM |
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ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g80v$tla$1@bolt.sonic.net...
ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll <Ready to drill ANWR@ Alaska .gov>
wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g5ma$qpg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as
of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent
oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
Someone has to find the oil John Kerry need to pump in his Private Jet
he
uses to fly between his 5 worldwide mansions and luxury vacation
destinations.
Typical neocon - always blame somebody else.
You have nothing but hate.
=======================
Typical Liberal . Bash the rich as long as the are republican, but vote for
the filthy Billioniares like Kerry because they are special filthy rich gas
guzzling hypocrits.
Typical Conservative. Bash the rich as long as they are democrat, but
vote for the filthy Billionaires like Bush because they are special
filthy rich gas guzzling hypocrites. Also, they cross-post to newsgroups.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:34:25 PM |
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ANWR Oil Worker Ready : Let's Roll wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d1g5ma$qpg$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
=====================
Someone has to find the oil John Kerry need to pump in his Private Jet he
uses to fly between his 5 worldwide mansions and luxury vacation
destinations.
Or for George W. Bush to pump his Air Force One he uses to fly between
Crawford and DC and all the other stops on taxpayer money for "campaign"
stops.
What does this have to do with Linux Advocacy, by the way?
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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| Title: Re: ANWR: GET THE DRILLS READY! |
18 Mar 2005 11:03:41 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1g5ma$qpg$1@bolt.sonic.net:
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
That's fine. The federal government shouldn't own that land to begin
with.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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19 Mar 2005 01:20:57 AM |
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Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
That's fine. The federal government shouldn't own that land to begin
with.
What a truly idiotic statement.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Maaxx" |
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19 Mar 2005 08:10:04 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:d1gjso$eqv$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Maaxx <maaxx@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
That's fine. The federal government shouldn't own that land to begin
with.
What a truly idiotic statement.
Another canned Ray Fischer response. Of course he won't ever explain why.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:23:27 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Conservatives.HATE America!::
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
The Republicans have sold off another chunk of America to rich
corporate interests.
Have a question, Ray. How can we agree on some things, but disagree on
others? :-)
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:36:18 AM |
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In article <1111161422.bd8ef010487e3e602594cbac710b38c1@meganetnews2>,
"Liberals.HATE America!::" <Liberals-Kill-Babies@liberals-blome.com>
wrote:
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is in mourning.
Just some quick facts for you to peruse:
a.. Caribou? They don't care. The population of the Central Artic
caribou herd near the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay has grown an average of
8.5%
per year. The oil exploration operations don't bother them a bit.
Not the issue.
b.. When ANWR was created in 1980 a section was set aside for oil
exploration. It is that area in which the Senate has approved oil
exploration. Imagine that. Exploring for oil in a section of ANWR that
was
set aside for exploring for oil. Who would have thunk it?
Actually, not. First, ANWR was created by Eisenhower in the 1950s.
Secondly, there is a section set aside for oil exploration -- it's already
been leased to oil companies, who aren't doing any drilling. That's not
ANWR.
c.. Take the highest estimate of oil reserves from ANWR, then take the
lowest.
No, use the amount economically recoverable.
Use those numbers to come up with a mean estimate of ANWR oil
potential. That figure is 10.4 billion barrels of oil. That much oil
could
meet the total petroleum consumption needs of the state of New York for 34
years; Georgia for 54 years, Maine for 259 years, Pennsylvania for 39
years. That is not an insignificant amount of oil.
The US for 6 months.
d.. If the most optimistic estimates of oil reserves in ANWR turn out to
be true, it would be enough to replace 30 years of oil imports from Saudi
Arabia. That is not an insignificant amount of oil.
Yes, and if aliens give us fusion power, we wouldn't need it at all. As
long as you're being a cockeyed optimist.
e.. Will oil production from ANWR exceed estimates? Who knows? The
estimates for Prudhoe Bay were around eight billion barrels of oil. So
far
we've extracted 14 billion barrels .. and we're not near through.
This is being referred to in USA Today and other newspapers as "a blow to
environmentalists." Exploring Section 1002 of ANWR for oil is not a blow
to
true environmentalists. It is a blow to assorted leftists, socialists,
communists and various anti-American types who have all but taken over the
environmental movement, and whose true goal is not so much protecting the
environment as it is weakening the American economy.
Oh, I see the Nazi in you has been activated.
As for Democrats? They're already reeling with Bush's success in
Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest of the Middle East.
Yep, Afghanistan is being propped up by heroin production, Iraq can't agree
on a government and people are still dying there every day...
Proposed elections in
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon.
Yeah, "proposed" is it. And in SA, it's just local elections, not national
ones.
Syria pulling back in Lebanon and
pleading with Bush to give them time to reform.
Sure; they know a loose cannon when they see it.
Messy? You bet! But it's
starting to look like Bush just may accomplish his goals in the Middle
East.
Creating more terrorists? Increasing the price of oil?
The United States will be better off for it, and there will be the hated
George Bush taking the credit. So ...let's carry this forward to the ANWR
situation and oil prices. Right now oil prices are soaring. People are
paying over two bucks a gallon for gas.
Weren't we promised lots of low-cost oil from Iraq? Weren't Kuwait and
Saudi Arabia supposed to be so grateful to us they'd keep oil prices low?
Sad to say, but Americans will
stand mute as the government seizes about 14% of each paycheck for the
hideous Social Security scheme .. but pay over two bucks a gallon for gas
and all hell breaks loose. Democrats are loving this. The price of gas
could be a huge campaign issue for 2006! I can hear it now: "Bush's
failed
energy policy" and so forth.
He doesn't have an energy policy.
So ... what could happen if exploration is authorized in ANWR? What if
the
oil sheiks suddenly realize that America is serious about moving toward
energy independence?
Idiocy. A nation that consumes 25% of the world's oil and has only 5% can
never be energy independent!
What steps could they take to protect their market
position? Well, for starters they could work to lower the price for crude
oil to bring prices down at the pump. With lower prices Democrats could
lose another campaign issue ... and Bush ends up looking good again.
Make no mistake .. there is a huge, almost insurmountable level of
ignorance
about ANWR. You'll hear people talk of gently rolling grasslands,
pristine
rushing streams and waterfalls, snow-capped mountains. True ... some
parts
of ANWR fit this description ... but not section 1002 .. the section
originally set aside for oil exploration. In the Winter .. the only time
that vehicular traffic will be permitted across the precious frozen tundra
.... section 1002 looks like an iced-over dirt field.
Arctic environments are valuable too.
I'll concede that there are people who are opposed to oil exploration in
section 1002 for purely environmental reasons. These people are deluded
and
ill-informed.
The response I'd expect from a schizoid delusional person.
The rest of the opponents are lying to you about their
motives. Their goal is to make sure that America does not alleviate its
dependence on foreign oil sources, to weaken America's economy, and to
keep
high gas prices as a campaign issue.
Crank up the drills.
boortz.com
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| User: "Ian St. John" |
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19 Mar 2005 01:00:23 AM |
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Liberals.HATE America!:: wrote:
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but
as of now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to
prevent oil exploration in the northern reaches of ANWR. Belinda is
in mourning.
Another helping of republican lies? I think the public is gettting
indigestion.
Just some quick facts for you to peruse:
Actually, quick spin to confuse you.
a.. Caribou? They don't care.
Why shoud they. The money for exploration is the central issue to
corporations. They care nothing about people or places.
The population of the Central Artic
caribou herd near the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay has grown an average
of 8.5% per year. The oil exploration operations don't bother them a
bit.
And why should it, seeing as the calving grounds of THOSE caribou are close
to but not in the exploration area. The two situtaions are NOT comparable. A
point easily understood by ecologists and anyone with a brain, but
apparently not by oilmen and their syncophants.
b.. When ANWR was created in 1980 a section was set aside for oil
exploration. It is that area in which the Senate has approved oil
exploration. Imagine that. Exploring for oil in a section of ANWR
that was set aside for exploring for oil. Who would have thunk it?
Lie. The 1980 act just did not prevent future legislation to destroy it. I
mean, why would they make a reserve to protect a pristine wilderness area
with a clause that allows them to fail in their custodial duty?
c.. Take the highest estimate of oil reserves from ANWR, then take
the lowest.
There are no estimates of oil reserves. There are, in fact, no proven oil
reserves by ANY estimate. There is speculation as to the possibiltity of
recoverable oil and like most made up figures, they tend to be overblown.
Use those numbers to come up with a mean estimate of
ANWR oil potential. That figure is 10.4 billion barrels of oil.
They could just as easily claim 30 billion barrels of oil. Hot air is easy
to find.
That much oil could meet the total petroleum consumption needs of the
state of New York for 34 years; Georgia for 54 years, Maine for 259
years, Pennsylvania for 39 years. That is not an insignificant
amount of oil.
It isn't even a finding of oil. It is merely a made up figure that is being
used to justify the sale of wilderness to the oil interests.
d.. If the most optimistic estimates of oil reserves in ANWR turn
out to be true, it would be enough to replace 30 years of oil imports
from Saudi Arabia. That is not an insignificant amount of oil.
It isn't any amount of oil. It is someone claiming that they might discover
oil there and so far there is not the SLIGHTEST indiction that they are sane
or ready to deal with reality. The SAME idiots claimed a similar 'discovery'
to the west of the North Slope that was pretty extensively drilled with
absolutely nothing but gas and water to show for it.
<more ***** clipped as this fuckhead can't deal with reality>
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| User: "Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez" |
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18 Mar 2005 12:30:06 PM |
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Liberals.HATE America!:: wrote:
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
Why are you always so angry? Do you have sexual problems?
Maybe Cialis or Viagra can solve it.
Regards.
--
Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez
Director Tecnico de bgSEC
jkerouac@bgsec.com
bgSEC Seguridad y Consultoria de Sistemas Informaticos
http://www.bgsec.com
ESPAŅA
The only people for me are the mad ones -- the ones who are mad to live,
mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time,
the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn
like fabulous yellow Roman candles.
-- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road"
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| User: "Liberals.HATE America!::" |
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18 Mar 2005 12:40:38 PM |
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"Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez" <jkerouac@bgsec.com> wrote in message
news:3a0l1rF668lqhU1@individual.net...
Liberals.HATE America!:: wrote:
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
Why are you always so angry? Do you have sexual problems?
Maybe Cialis or Viagra can solve it.
TRANSLATION: "I'm a left-wing liberal and I could not refute ONE SINGLE
THING in this post. Nope, NOT EVEN ONE!"
--
Liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being.
They are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
www.liberalscum.com
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| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
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| Title: Re: ANWR: GET THE DRILLS READY! |
18 Mar 2005 09:42:26 AM |
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In article <1111171321.b758e80ca22e0703f87fa12784e320ad@meganetnews2>,
"Liberals.HATE America!::" <Liberals-Kill-Babies@liberals-blome.com>
wrote:
"Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez" <jkerouac@bgsec.com> wrote in message
news:3a0l1rF668lqhU1@individual.net...
Liberals.HATE America!:: wrote:
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as
of
Why are you always so angry? Do you have sexual problems?
Maybe Cialis or Viagra can solve it.
TRANSLATION: "I'm a left-wing liberal and I could not refute ONE SINGLE
THING in this post. Nope, NOT EVEN ONE!"
At least most of the liberals here aren't afraid to use their names, unlike
you right-wing cowards who won't stand behind your words.
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| User: "Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez" |
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18 Mar 2005 01:03:09 PM |
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Liberals.HATE America!:: wrote:
"Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez" <jkerouac@bgsec.com> wrote in message
news:3a0l1rF668lqhU1@individual.net...
Liberals.HATE America!:: wrote:
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
Why are you always so angry? Do you have sexual problems?
Maybe Cialis or Viagra can solve it.
TRANSLATION: "I'm a left-wing liberal and I could not refute ONE SINGLE
THING in this post. Nope, NOT EVEN ONE!"
See? You are too angry. Try Cialis. You will be able to make love with
your boyfriend for a whole weekend!!!!! Happy weekend :-)
Regards.
--
Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez
Director Tecnico de bgSEC
jkerouac@bgsec.com
bgSEC Seguridad y Consultoria de Sistemas Informaticos
http://www.bgsec.com
ESPAŅA
The only people for me are the mad ones -- the ones who are mad to live,
mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time,
the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn
like fabulous yellow Roman candles.
-- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road"
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| User: "7" |
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| Title: Re: ANWR: GET THE DRILLS READY! |
19 Mar 2005 03:04:38 AM |
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Liberals.HATE America!:: wrote:
There are still some negotiations with the House to go through, but as of
now it looks like the eco-whacko crowd has lost the battle to prevent oil
From what you post, it sounds like you are a terrorist or some
sort of spy thats operating out of the House passing out
secret information and therefore you need to be rounded up and interrogated.
Have you informed homeland insecurity federal departments
of your internet & terrorism activities yet?
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| User: "Barney Lyon" |
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18 Mar 2005 11:06:46 PM |
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The DOE map at
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/arctic_national_wildlife_refuge/html/figure1.html
shows, the 1002 area, where drilling has now been approved. It is the
most sensitive area of the refuge. It is a large part of the wilderness
preserve area --- less than half the total area of the refuge. Area
1002 is most of the northern coastal plain of the refuge, the most
environmentally sensitive area where the caribou and migratory birds
breed. This map clearly shows that the southern half of the refuge is
not a sensitive wilderness area. This non-wilderness area includes the
Brooks Range, which actually covers the bulk of the refuge to the
southern border at the Yukon river..
Also it can be seen that pipelines will have to be run through another
part of the refuge. The most cost effective path (southwest to the
existing Alaska pipeline) cuts through the refuge. The shortest path,
along the coast to Prudhoe Bay, presents engineering problems with
permafrost and melting, is more damaging to the evironment, and will
force a larger portion of the existing pipeline to be upgraded to
handle the increased flow. No plan for a pipeline has been made public,
nor has the area covered by a pipeline been added to the acreage taken
for drilling.
The existing Alaska pipeline does not interfere with the caribou
breeding grounds like the proposed drilling will, but instead cuts
their migratory
paths.
Environmentalists never claimed that drilling at Prudhoe Bay would
destroy the caribou, melt the permafrost, etc., but did express concern
for damage it might do to wildlife. The initial impact of the pipeline
was not as stressful as predicted, however,long term impact on
migrating caribou has been found by the Fish and Wildlife Service to be
significant.
"By the late 1980s, growth of the Central Arctic Herd slowed, and the
herd stabilized at about 23,000. There are now indications that caribou
which spend more time in or near the oilfields are not faring as well
as other members of the Central Arctic Herd which seldom encounter
development (Cameron 1995). Avoidance of roads and pipelines during
calving may be causing caribou to abandon preferred habitats and
possibly to overuse some undisturbed habitats (Nellemann and Cameron,
unpubl.). It is possible that chronic disruption of summer movements
forces caribou to use habitats with less nutritious forage and prolongs
their exposure to biting insects. "
http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/ ANWR/anwrcaribouscience.html
The movement of the caribou to these marginal areas is also being
investigated as a possible contributer to the loss of permafrost in
these areas. This causes a vicious cycle as what was once a bog teeming
with life becomes open water, causing more permafrost to disappear.
And again, this study calls into question the impact of drilling in the
caribou calving areas of the northern coastal plain with its rich plant
growth and abundant water. Given the observed reluctance of calving
females to get closer than 2 km to oil facilities, the checkerboard
plan of the the administration will have the same impact as solid
development.
Even if it were true (that all of the Alaskan people wanted drilling),
it's not hard to understand why - every man, woman and child in Alaska
gets $2000/year for it.
Much of the money used to run the state of Alaska comes from the
Trans-Alaska oil pipeline. It was the construction of the pipeline
(building started in 1974 and finished in 1977) that brought workers to
Alaska. They were enticed by the money - food and housing were thrown
in. These weren't native Alaskans. Once the pipeline was built,
many of these guys stayed. Alaska is rich in resources, however, and
it's the outsiders who see these resources as their way to riches.
Once these resources are gone, they're gone forever.
The damage done to the environment to get these resources lasts
forever, too. Outside of Anchorage (population 260,000), 85% of the
Alaskans live by "subsistence," or by hunting, fishing, finding their
own food in the bush. They live off the land. The damage done to
the land affects their ability to sustain their own lives.
Do you know about the Gwitchen Indians and the Inupiat Eskimos?:
America's coldest, richest State is warming ten times faster than the
rest of the world. So why does Bush want to drill for more oil?
"The weather really changed", says Eleanor Sam, plucking feathers from
a goose, "When we were children we wore thick fur. We don?t wear
clothes like that no more..."
"That ocean should be four feet thick", confirms a hunter who catches
walrus on the sea ice. "Now it?s only one foot thick." Elsewhere,
houses and roads collapse as the ground beneath them melts.
Temperatures in Alaska are rising ten times faster than in the rest of
the world. President Bush is ignoring the warning signs. He pulled out
of Kyoto and now wants to open a wildlife refuge for oil drilling.
Native Alaskans are divided, as represented by the Inupiat Eskimos, who
want the jobs and the money, but the Gwitchin Indians fear it will
destroy their reindeer. Alaska is rich from oil. But each barrel sent
south comes back as damage to the delicate balance of Arctic life.
The tiny island of Shishmaref is being rapidly eroded by ever stormier
seas. "We can't tell what's going to happen tomorrow", says villager
Robert Iyatunguk "We just take it day by day here."
http://www.spannerfilms.net/?l id=169&tmpl=spfdocprint&cc=1
The lifestyle of these two groups tells the story of what's wrong in
America.
Gerald Newton wrote this in 2001:
Well Bush is in and ANWR is on. It will become a very large plain
covered with oil wells, gravel roads, gravel pits, miles of above
ground silvery pipelines, flares, recycling plants, man camps, water
and sewage treatment plants, three and six story metal buildings, and
VSM's. There will be Junkyards for oil field equipment repair, and
waste dumps for trash that can't be burned or hidden. Yes, another
Prudhoe Bay. But the Caribou won't know the difference. They will be
shown having calves underneath buildings and walking under pipelines.
What else can they do? The Oil Companies will say, "See there is no
pollution. See how the animals coexist with our beautiful projects."
The Gwitchin Indians will be given presents of money, scholarships,
and stock and told, "See how great it is to have money instead living
off the land."
The Gwitchin Indians live in handmade houses, no electricity, by
choice. They turned down the money offered by oil companies for the
drilling rights to the land. They live off the land. Their children
are steeped in the culture, are happy and healthy.
The Inupiat Eskimos did not turn the oil companies' money down. The
only development is the oil camps. The work, clerking at the 711s
that are housed in metal quonset huts. Their diet is now American -
sugar and refined flour. Their lifestyle (sedentary) is now American,
too - VCRs, liquor and vegging out.
Check this out (video):
How will drilling in ANWR affect the wildlife population?
The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is home to 180 species of birds and
mammals including bears, moose and caribou reindeer. Every year 130,000
Porcupine Caribou travel over 400 miles to give birth to their calves
on these coastal plains. Experts predict that oil drilling in the
refuge could significantly alter caribou migration patterns and cause a
40% decline in the herd's...
http://tv.oneworld.net/tapestr y?link=711&window=full
The Alaskan people, ironically, aren't the only ones really affected by
this.
Every Alaskan may get a check for $2,000 every year, but it's the
American taxpayers who subsidize new oil drilling. Oil companies,
corporations, get our tax dollars to entice them to drill. We don't
get that money back.
That's why oil in Texas stays in the ground. We make it worth the oil
companies' while to NOT drill in Texas (or any existing well), but to
open new wells, and then sell the oil for profit that they give to
their shareholders. ***** Cheney. The Bush family members. Not the
American people.
Bush Steps Up Pitch for Drilling in Alaska Refuge
By Justin Blum and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, March 10, 2005; Page A02
The Bush administration and Senate Republicans intensified their push
yesterday to allow oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge, a measure that has for years been thwarted by fierce
opposition.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/articles/A21695-2005Mar 9.html
Alaska's is subjected to more than one reportable oil or chemical
spills a day, averaging about 400 spills a year since 1996 according to
Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation records
(http://www.state.ak.us/local/a kpages/ENV.CONSERV/spar/perp/d
ata.htm).
These spills total over 1 million gallons and include releases of crude
oil, diesel fuel and other refined oil products and hazardous
substances like ethylene glycol used as antifreeze.
Spills are so common, in fact, they are anticipated for when new
developments are planned. For example, the Army Corps of Engineers'
environmental impact statement (EIS) for BP Amoco's Northstar
development off the coast of the Arctic Refuge estimated the
probability of one or more large crude oil spills (greater than 1,000
barrels) to be between 11 percent and 24 percent. The Bureau of Land
Management (BLM) also anticipated spills in its EIS for lease sales
within the National Petroleum Reserve - Alaska (NPRA). The BLM
predicted that under its preferred leasing alternative, there would be
86 to 676 spills of crude and refined oil products totaling 6,132 to
36,372 gallons. Of course preparing for spills allows for more timely
and effective responses, but more important it highlights the
industry's inability or unwillingness to extract oil without causing
environmental damage.
Accidental spills are only half the story. The industrial complex of
Prudhoe Bay annually emits more air pollutants than Washington, D.C.,
and has permitted total emissions that exceed those of at least six
states - this in an area once considered America's last great
wilderness. Plumes of Prudhoe Bay pollution can be detected 200 miles
away. The oil industry also produces vast quantities of waste materials
in Prudhoe Bay. Much of this is solid industrial waste like used drums
and constructions materials, but most is liquid wastes as a result of
drilling. Daily, 3,000 cubic yards of drilling waste, 40 million
gallons of "produced water" or "toxic brine," 40,000 gallons of liquid
oily waste and 300 cubic yards of oil contaminated solid wastes and
sludges are generated through drilling operations that are disposed of
in open waste pits, are frozen into the permafrost, or injected back
under ground with unknown effects.
1 U.S. Army Corps of Engineers District, Alaska. Final Environmental
Impact Statement, Beaufort Sea Oil and Gas Development/Northstar
Project, Volume 1, Executive Summary. February, 1999
http://www.defenders.org/wildl ife/arctic/subsection.html
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The Dirty Four: The Case Against Letting BP Amoco, ExxonMobil, Chevron
and Phillips Petroleum Drill in the Arctic Refuge, documents a long
list of spills, leaks, accidents, violations, and explosions. The four
companies have been ordered to pay out close to $1 billion in fines,
penalties and settlements, are responsible for more than 150 oil spills
over the past ten years, and are responsible for more than 100
Superfund sites. Finally, explosions and accidents at BP Amoco,
ExxonMobil, Chevron and Phillips Petroleum facilities have resulted in
more than 40 deaths. Sterling cited a litany of pollution incidents and
safety hazards as casting doubt on the oil industry's claims including:
* In the last three months, BP Amoco has been responsible for three oil
spills in Prudhoe Bay.
* On Sept. 23, 1999, BP Amoco pled guilty to a federal felony connected
to illegal dumping of hazardous waste at their Endicott Oil Field near
Prudhoe Bay, Alaska and agreed to pay $22 million in criminal and civil
penalties.
* In 1995, the BP subcontractor working the Endicott Field was found
guilty of illegally injecting hazardous waste back into the groundwater
and ordered to pay a $15 million fine for violating the Clean Water
Act.
* In February 1998, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) accused
ExxonMobil of nearly 200 violations of the Clean Air Act, and demanded
$4.7 million in fines.
* The President of Chevron USA appeared in federal court in May 1992 to
plead guilty to 65 violations of the Clean Water Act and pay $8 million
in fines, for illegal discharges from the company's offshore oil-and
gas-production platform "Grace" off the California Coast.
http://www.vpirg.org/news/pres s_releases/pr_20010322_valdeza nniv.html
http://www.ems.org/energy_poli cy/arctic_drilling.html
http://www.spillpoint.com/
http://www.envirocitizen.org/i ssue/cc/detail.asp?id=462
Sierra Club Fact Sheet on the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
SAN FRANCISCO - February 12 - The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is a
special part of America's natural heritage that must be preserved for
future generations. President Bush has recently claimed that opening
this small, pristine portion of the Arctic to oil and gas development
will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and ease California's energy
woes.
But evidence from energy experts and scientists proves the opposite:
The amount of oil estimated to be in the refuge is just a fraction of
our yearly consumption and California, which generates less than one
percent of its electricity from oil, is facing a generation shortage,
not an oil shortage. Opening the refuge, even according to some oil
producers, will have no effect on oil prices because the supply is too
small and Persian Gulf oil too cheap.
Though the energy benefits of drilling in the refuge are nonexistent,
the environmental damage will be severe: Drilling in the refuge will
decimate one of our nation's most important wilderness areas and
threaten habitat used by hundreds of animals -- all for a six-month
supply of oil. Just as we wouldn't flood the Grand Canyon for
hydropower or cap Old Faithful for geothermal energy, we shouldn't
drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Background
+ According to U.S. Geological Survey estimates, there is less than 3.2
billion barrels of economically recoverable oil under the coastal plain
of the Arctic Refuge -- the equivalent of a six-month supply of oil for
the United States.
+ Because the amount of oil estimated to be in the refuge is so small
in comparison to world petroleum supplies, it will have no effect on
world oil prices.
+ Due to the complexity of drilling in the Arctic, the oil would not be
available for 7-10 years.
+ Ninety-five percent of Alaska's oil-bearing North Slope is open to
oil and gas exploration and leasing. The coastal plain of the Arctic
National Wildlife Refuge is the last five percent of Alaska's North
Slope that remains off-limits to oil drilling.
+ The Arctic Refuge itself is 19 million acres. But, the coastal plain
of the Arctic Refuge -- the part that conservationists are working to
protect and that oil companies want to drill -- is just 1.5 million
acres, or less than the half the size of Connecticut.
Why Protect the Refuge?
+ The Arctic Refuge is a unique and pristine wilderness area that is
crucial both to native people and a huge range of wildlife. According
to the Department of Interior: The Coastal plain "is the most
biologically productive part of the Arctic Refuge for wildlife and is
the center of wildlife activity."
* The Coastal plain of the Refuge is most famously known for the annual
migration of the 129,000-member Porcupine River Caribou herd. Each
spring, the Porcupine Caribou migrate over 400 miles to reach the
coastal plain of the Arctic Refuge to give birth to their young in the
same place, year after year.
* For almost 20,000 years, this awesome migration has sustained the
Gwich'in Natives, who view the coastal plain as sacred and whose
traditional lifestyle depends on Caribou for food, clothing and
medicine.
* The Refuge is the most important on-shore polar bear denning area in
the United States and is also home to many unique and important animals
including Grizzly bears and Dall sheep, Musk oxen, arctic foxes and
wolverines.
* Hundreds of thousands of migratory birds, representing more than 130
species, make stopovers on trips from as far away as the Baja
Peninsula, the Chesapeake Bay and even Antarctica to use the coastal
plain as a breeding- and nesting-ground.
+ The overwhelming majority of Americans believe that we should protect
special wild places like the Arctic Refuge for our children as part of
our American heritage.
"Clean" Drilling is a Fantasy
+ Though new drilling and exploration techniques may be less harmful
than past practices, oil production is an inherently messy business and
"clean" drilling is still a fantasy.
+ Proponents of drilling in the Arctic claim that instead of scooping
tons of gravel from fragile stream beds, they will be able to build
roads made out of ice. But, in certain areas of the Arctic Refuge where
not enough water is available, gravel roads will still have to be
constructed.
+ According to a recent article in The New York Times Science Times
(Jan. 30), new computer-based exploration techniques, though they
improve the probability of hitting oil, can actually worsen
environmental impacts because they require caravans of one hundred or
more vehicles (some of which weigh up to 10 tons) to criss-cross the
fragile tundra looking for oil. Polar bears are extremely sensitive to
disturbances during the winter and have been know to abandon their
young when heavy equipment moves into an area.
+ Regardless of the technological improvements to oil exploration,
drilling and producing the oil still requires a massive maze of
pipelines and roads along with fuel dumps, waste treatment facilities,
gravel pits and other infrastructure.
+ And no matter how much we improve all of these techniques, oil
exploration inevitable results in spills. On January 16, Alaska's North
Slope saw yet another major oil-related mishap when 20,000 gallons of
drilling "mud" -- a petroleum based lubricant used to ease the drill
bit's path through the Earth -- spilled from one of Prudhoe Bay's
newest facilities.
Prudhoe Bay Pollution Looms Large
+ Prudhoe Bay averages over one spill a day of petroleum or other
hazardous waste -- in 1996 there were 427 spills.
+ Prudhoe Bay, once called the height of responsible drilling, is home
to an industrial complex so large, astronauts report seeing it clearly
from space.
+ Oil and gas drilling in Prudhoe Bay currently creates 43,000 tons of
nitrogen oxides a year -- twice as much air pollution as the city of
Washington DC.
Instead of Drilling the Arctic, Raise CAFE, Increase Efficiency, Invest
in Renewables
Instead of drilling in the Arctic, we could find a new source of oil by
raising automobile and light-truck fuel-economy standards, increasing
the energy efficiency of our homes and investing more in renewable
sources of electricity, like wind- and solar-power.
+ If we increased fuel economy standards by just 6 percent each year,
in the decade that it would take for oil from the Arctic Refuge to
become available, we could be saving 1.1 billion barrels of oil
annually. That's more oil than we import from the entire Persian Gulf
and within three years of full implementation would equal the total
amount of recoverable oil estimated to be in the Arctic Refuge's
coastal plain.
Increasing the efficiency of our homes could also do much to cut the
use of heating oil, but, in the long term, only renewable sources of
energy, like solar and wind-power, will give us stable, clean and
plentiful energy.
http://www.commondreams.org/ne ws2001/0212-06.htm
The American people, overwhelmingly, do NOT want drilling in ANWR.
Hey Bush! How about calling on Americans to CONSERVE aggressively?
How about having your lap dogs in Congress give tax incentives for
alternative renewable and sustainable energy development?
http://savethearctic.com/arcti c.asp?id=1&id3=arctic&id4=HP&
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What underbridge did you crawl out from?
It's plonkin' time, crossposter. Oh, by the way, this message might be
reportable to your abuse desk, so I'm going to look into that, too.
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