Religions > Atheism > any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here?
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"Mr. Peterborough" |
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04 Dec 2003 04:54:37 PM |
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any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agershere? |
05 Dec 2003 08:10:05 AM |
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"Mr. Peterborough" wrote:
Just wondering?
Second degree witch who has served as an elder. Also a former deacon
(Metropolitan Community Church) and sometime aspirant to the priesthood
of the Episcopal Church, in case anyone is keeping score :-)
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
04 Dec 2003 07:04:54 PM |
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(Mr. Peterborough) thought hard and said:
Just wondering?
This is alt.ATHEISM, foo'.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Blast Femur" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
04 Dec 2003 07:48:40 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:bdmvsvs9qivmetounmg42mumth467ktnbi@4ax.com:
highlegalguy@yahoo.ca (Mr. Peterborough) thought hard and said:
Just wondering?
This is alt.ATHEISM, foo'.
Of course, the key word here is "former"...
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"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes
talking to people and guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
04 Dec 2003 07:54:40 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:04:54 -0600, Daniel Kolle wrote:
highlegalguy@yahoo.ca (Mr. Peterborough) thought hard and said:
Just wondering?
This is alt.ATHEISM, foo'.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, and Krzysztof Penderecki are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
he did say 'former'
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phillip brown
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| User: "Erica" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
04 Dec 2003 11:50:50 PM |
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(Mr. Peterborough) wrote in message news:<a5676bf8.0312041454.4c415731@posting.google.com>...
Just wondering?
Yes, I used to be a pagan wiccan satanist bahai satanist new ager. Why do you ask?
Had to give it up actually. I kept getting my rituals mixed up.
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
04 Dec 2003 06:41:45 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 4 Dec 2003 14:54:37 -0800,
(Mr. Peterborough) wrote:
Just wondering?
Well, fundamentalist Christianity raped my mind, body and 'soul' for
about the first 14 years of my life. It continued assaulting me after
that, but I covertly began exploring other paths and slowly escaped
from its wretched grasp. I'd done stints in certain shamanistic
paths, a bit as a Wiccan, a bit as a kind of generic "new agey" type,
and a bit further on still as a more coherent "solitary witch" of some
non-Wiccan sort. At present, my philosophy is in line with some less
chaotic, more generally "benign" forms of atheistic "Satanism", only I
don't call myself a "Satanist". Some do, and I've no disagreement
with their reasoning. However, if I had to choose a deity construct
to name my path after, it wouldn't be Satan. I would have to declare
Dionysius as my primary godhead, while also being virtually obligated
to consider myself an astral scion of the two-headed Janus.
How 'bout you? :-)
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L8r,
Bill
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
05 Dec 2003 01:15:33 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:41:45 -0600, Bill, The Avender wrote
(in message <3fd6cb8b.3739500@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>):
From: (Bill, The Avender)
Newsgroups: talk.atheism, alt.atheism
In alt.atheism on 4 Dec 2003 14:54:37 -0800,
(Mr. Peterborough) wrote:
Just wondering?
Well, fundamentalist Christianity raped my mind, body and 'soul' for
about the first 14 years of my life. It continued assaulting me after
that, but I covertly began exploring other paths and slowly escaped
from its wretched grasp. I'd done stints in certain shamanistic
paths, a bit as a Wiccan, a bit as a kind of generic "new agey" type,
and a bit further on still as a more coherent "solitary witch" of some
non-Wiccan sort. At present, my philosophy is in line with some less
chaotic, more generally "benign" forms of atheistic "Satanism", only I
don't call myself a "Satanist". Some do, and I've no disagreement
with their reasoning. However, if I had to choose a deity construct
to name my path after, it wouldn't be Satan. I would have to declare
Dionysius as my primary godhead, while also being virtually obligated
to consider myself an astral scion of the two-headed Janus.
How 'bout you? :-)
I am a devout Lokian. But any of the "Trickster Gods" are welcome to drop by
for a beer and to shoot the bull.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will
understand why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agershere? |
05 Dec 2003 03:40:55 PM |
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Harry Leopold wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:41:45 -0600, Bill, The Avender wrote
(in message <3fd6cb8b.3739500@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>):
From: (Bill, The Avender)
Newsgroups: talk.atheism, alt.atheism
In alt.atheism on 4 Dec 2003 14:54:37 -0800,
(Mr. Peterborough) wrote:
Just wondering?
Well, fundamentalist Christianity raped my mind, body and 'soul' for
about the first 14 years of my life. It continued assaulting me after
that, but I covertly began exploring other paths and slowly escaped
from its wretched grasp. I'd done stints in certain shamanistic
paths, a bit as a Wiccan, a bit as a kind of generic "new agey" type,
and a bit further on still as a more coherent "solitary witch" of some
non-Wiccan sort. At present, my philosophy is in line with some less
chaotic, more generally "benign" forms of atheistic "Satanism", only I
don't call myself a "Satanist". Some do, and I've no disagreement
with their reasoning. However, if I had to choose a deity construct
to name my path after, it wouldn't be Satan. I would have to declare
Dionysius as my primary godhead, while also being virtually obligated
to consider myself an astral scion of the two-headed Janus.
How 'bout you? :-)
I am a devout Lokian. But any of the "Trickster Gods" are welcome to drop by
for a beer and to shoot the bull.
Several years ago, I and three other men decided to create a "men's tradition" of
Wicca. Each of us picked an archetype we identified with and told stories; that
is how we began to develop our myths.
Mine was Istani, an interesting character I'm still trying to figure out. He is a
trickster figure (which is why I bring him up) well known for his sexual
exploits. He doesn't normally pull practical jokes just for the sake of a laugh
(although he has, from time to time.) Rather, he uses jokes and funny situations
to kick people out of their ruts, break down their accustomed patterns and get
them to actually *think.* One time, he wandered in to an ancient festival where a
"sacred" beer was brewed from "sacred" grain will all kinds of "sacred" ritual,
finally to be handed out to participants at the climax of a "sacred" annual
ceremony. As the people were lining up to receive this sacrament, he jumped up on
to the altar, droped trou and whizzed in to the "sacred" beer barrel. "If this
horse-***** can be called sacred," he said, "How can god-***** be any less sacred?"
He is also the guardian of All That Is Between, and as such has power over any
time of transition: birth, death, marriage, divorce, initiation, dawn, dusk, etc.
A story tells that, the night before he was to come in to his power, he stayed up
drinking and gambling with his older brother Elari, who was jealous of Istani's
charm and popularity. As Istani became drunker, he began loosing; when he lost
his money, Elari prompted him in to giving up spheres of influence. By the time
of the investment ceremony, Istani had lost the right to claim power over day and
night, male and female, life and death, light and dark, wet and dry... pretty
much everything. So in the middle of this ceremony, Elari stands up and tells of
what his younger brother had foolishly given up. Istani is asked, "What, then, is
left?" Immediately, Istani drops the facade of being drunk and his eyes sparkle
as he reverses Elari's trap. "Everything in between."
His third role is Keeper of the Mysteries, the remaining raw material of the
universe and source of inspiration and potential. Previous Keepers had tried to
hide the Mysteries in deep caves, in statues, in the constellations, in written
law. The problem was that man lost sight of the Mysteries and began to worship
caves, statues, stars and law for their own sake. Since no one else wanted the
job, it was given to Istani. He secured the Mysteries in the beauty of a rainbow,
the delighted laugh of a child, the ecstatic moment of loving climax, the simple
pleasure of being with friends, and many other such delights. He said that since
these were momentary things rather than concrete objects, they would be less
likely to become objects of worship. And even if they did, he reasoned, the world
would become a better place, Mysteries or no.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
07 Dec 2003 05:12:35 PM |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:40:55 -0600, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <3FD0FB67.8D98128B@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: talk.atheism, alt.atheism
Harry Leopold wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:41:45 -0600, Bill, The Avender wrote
(in message <3fd6cb8b.3739500@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>):
From: (Bill, The Avender)
Newsgroups: talk.atheism, alt.atheism
In alt.atheism on 4 Dec 2003 14:54:37 -0800,
(Mr. Peterborough) wrote:
Just wondering?
Well, fundamentalist Christianity raped my mind, body and 'soul' for
about the first 14 years of my life. It continued assaulting me after
that, but I covertly began exploring other paths and slowly escaped
from its wretched grasp. I'd done stints in certain shamanistic
paths, a bit as a Wiccan, a bit as a kind of generic "new agey" type,
and a bit further on still as a more coherent "solitary witch" of some
non-Wiccan sort. At present, my philosophy is in line with some less
chaotic, more generally "benign" forms of atheistic "Satanism", only I
don't call myself a "Satanist". Some do, and I've no disagreement
with their reasoning. However, if I had to choose a deity construct
to name my path after, it wouldn't be Satan. I would have to declare
Dionysius as my primary godhead, while also being virtually obligated
to consider myself an astral scion of the two-headed Janus.
How 'bout you? :-)
I am a devout Lokian. But any of the "Trickster Gods" are welcome to drop
by
for a beer and to shoot the bull.
Several years ago, I and three other men decided to create a "men's
tradition" of Wicca. Each of us picked an archetype we identified with and
told stories; that is how we began to develop our myths.
Mine was Istani, an interesting character I'm still trying to figure out. He
is a trickster figure (which is why I bring him up) well known for his
sexual exploits. He doesn't normally pull practical jokes just for the sake
of a laugh (although he has, from time to time.) Rather, he uses jokes and
funny situations to kick people out of their ruts, break down their
accustomed patterns and get them to actually *think.* One time, he wandered
in to an ancient festival where a "sacred" beer was brewed from "sacred"
grain will all kinds of "sacred" ritual, finally to be handed out to
participants at the climax of a "sacred" annual ceremony. As the people were
lining up to receive this sacrament, he jumped up on to the altar, droped
trou and whizzed in to the "sacred" beer barrel. "If this horse-***** can be
called sacred," he said, "How can god-***** be any less sacred?"
He is also the guardian of All That Is Between, and as such has power over
any time of transition: birth, death, marriage, divorce, initiation, dawn,
dusk, etc. A story tells that, the night before he was to come in to his
power, he stayed up drinking and gambling with his older brother Elari, who
was jealous of Istani's charm and popularity. As Istani became drunker, he
began loosing; when he lost his money, Elari prompted him in to giving up
spheres of influence. By the time of the investment ceremony, Istani had
lost the right to claim power over day and night, male and female, life and
death, light and dark, wet and dry... pretty much everything. So in the
middle of this ceremony, Elari stands up and tells of what his younger
brother had foolishly given up. Istani is asked, "What, then, is left?"
Immediately, Istani drops the facade of being drunk and his eyes sparkle as
he reverses Elari's trap. "Everything in between."
His third role is Keeper of the Mysteries, the remaining raw material of the
universe and source of inspiration and potential. Previous Keepers had tried
to hide the Mysteries in deep caves, in statues, in the constellations, in
written law. The problem was that man lost sight of the Mysteries and began
to worship caves, statues, stars and law for their own sake. Since no one
else wanted the job, it was given to Istani. He secured the Mysteries in the
beauty of a rainbow, the delighted laugh of a child, the ecstatic moment of
loving climax, the simple pleasure of being with friends, and many other
such delights. He said that since these were momentary things rather than
concrete objects, they would be less likely to become objects of worship.
And even if they did, he reasoned, the world would become a better place,
Mysteries or no.
Thanks for the stories, I had never heard of this particular god, and he
certainly does fit into that very particular group of trickster gods.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"Your little atheist buddies are renouned for desperately catching me in a
lie." - Duke 32
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agershere? |
08 Dec 2003 11:15:30 AM |
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Harry Leopold wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:40:55 -0600, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <3FD0FB67.8D98128B@serv.net>):
From: Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
Newsgroups: talk.atheism, alt.atheism
Harry Leopold wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:41:45 -0600, Bill, The Avender wrote
(in message <3fd6cb8b.3739500@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>):
From: (Bill, The Avender)
Newsgroups: talk.atheism, alt.atheism
In alt.atheism on 4 Dec 2003 14:54:37 -0800,
(Mr. Peterborough) wrote:
Just wondering?
Well, fundamentalist Christianity raped my mind, body and 'soul' for
about the first 14 years of my life. It continued assaulting me after
that, but I covertly began exploring other paths and slowly escaped
from its wretched grasp. I'd done stints in certain shamanistic
paths, a bit as a Wiccan, a bit as a kind of generic "new agey" type,
and a bit further on still as a more coherent "solitary witch" of some
non-Wiccan sort. At present, my philosophy is in line with some less
chaotic, more generally "benign" forms of atheistic "Satanism", only I
don't call myself a "Satanist". Some do, and I've no disagreement
with their reasoning. However, if I had to choose a deity construct
to name my path after, it wouldn't be Satan. I would have to declare
Dionysius as my primary godhead, while also being virtually obligated
to consider myself an astral scion of the two-headed Janus.
How 'bout you? :-)
I am a devout Lokian. But any of the "Trickster Gods" are welcome to drop
by
for a beer and to shoot the bull.
Several years ago, I and three other men decided to create a "men's
tradition" of Wicca. Each of us picked an archetype we identified with and
told stories; that is how we began to develop our myths.
Mine was Istani, an interesting character I'm still trying to figure out. He
is a trickster figure (which is why I bring him up) well known for his
sexual exploits. He doesn't normally pull practical jokes just for the sake
of a laugh (although he has, from time to time.) Rather, he uses jokes and
funny situations to kick people out of their ruts, break down their
accustomed patterns and get them to actually *think.* One time, he wandered
in to an ancient festival where a "sacred" beer was brewed from "sacred"
grain will all kinds of "sacred" ritual, finally to be handed out to
participants at the climax of a "sacred" annual ceremony. As the people were
lining up to receive this sacrament, he jumped up on to the altar, droped
trou and whizzed in to the "sacred" beer barrel. "If this horse-***** can be
called sacred," he said, "How can god-***** be any less sacred?"
He is also the guardian of All That Is Between, and as such has power over
any time of transition: birth, death, marriage, divorce, initiation, dawn,
dusk, etc. A story tells that, the night before he was to come in to his
power, he stayed up drinking and gambling with his older brother Elari, who
was jealous of Istani's charm and popularity. As Istani became drunker, he
began loosing; when he lost his money, Elari prompted him in to giving up
spheres of influence. By the time of the investment ceremony, Istani had
lost the right to claim power over day and night, male and female, life and
death, light and dark, wet and dry... pretty much everything. So in the
middle of this ceremony, Elari stands up and tells of what his younger
brother had foolishly given up. Istani is asked, "What, then, is left?"
Immediately, Istani drops the facade of being drunk and his eyes sparkle as
he reverses Elari's trap. "Everything in between."
His third role is Keeper of the Mysteries, the remaining raw material of the
universe and source of inspiration and potential. Previous Keepers had tried
to hide the Mysteries in deep caves, in statues, in the constellations, in
written law. The problem was that man lost sight of the Mysteries and began
to worship caves, statues, stars and law for their own sake. Since no one
else wanted the job, it was given to Istani. He secured the Mysteries in the
beauty of a rainbow, the delighted laugh of a child, the ecstatic moment of
loving climax, the simple pleasure of being with friends, and many other
such delights. He said that since these were momentary things rather than
concrete objects, they would be less likely to become objects of worship.
And even if they did, he reasoned, the world would become a better place,
Mysteries or no.
Thanks for the stories, I had never heard of this particular god,
You must have missed the first paragraph, where I admitted that he was nothing
more than a collection of stories I made up (with a lot of input from friends) to
define an archetype :-P
and he
certainly does fit into that very particular group of trickster gods.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
09 Dec 2003 01:08:50 AM |
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:15:30 -0600, Gregory Gadow wrote
(in message <3FD4B1B2.6B9EF79F@serv.net>):
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Thanks for the stories, I had never heard of this particular god,
You must have missed the first paragraph, where I admitted that he was
nothing more than a collection of stories I made up (with a lot of input
from friends) to define an archetype :-P
Oops, I just went back and reread it, color me embarrassed for not reading it
right the first time.
But it is still a damned good story.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"Your little atheist buddies are renouned for desperately catching me in a
lie." - Duke 32
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
04 Dec 2003 08:43:12 PM |
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On 4 Dec 2003 14:54:37 -0800, (Mr. Peterborough)
wrote:
Just wondering?
Why do you ask?
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| User: "Mr. Peterborough" |
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| Title: Re: any former pagans, wiccans, satanists, bahais, satanists, new agers here? |
05 Dec 2003 08:36:09 AM |
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Just curious. If there are for christians, then there must be former
new agers, wiccans, etc.
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