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"Neil Kelsey" |
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09 Jan 2005 01:14:39 AM |
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Any lawyers out there? |
I was not aware of an organization called CleanFilms until Jason Gastrich's
thread (Saved!Movie). These people take movies and edit out "...nudity,
sexual situations, offensive language, and graphic violence" and sell these
version over the internet. Here is a link:
http://www.cleanfilms.com/
Is this legal? I think the movie Saved! might be a good example. I can't
imagine the producers of the movie give CleanFilms, the very people they are
satirizing, permission to butcher (my words) their movie...would CleanFilms
need to get permission in the first place? Can someone censor someone else's
work and then sell it? This seems very odd to me.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Any lawyers out there? |
10 Jan 2005 07:29:36 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:46:12 +0000, Levy Oates
<levy_oates@hotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
Do you think they do a clean version of Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ, without
all the gratuitous violence? Would there be anything left?
A bunch of guys having supper?
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moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: Any lawyers out there? |
09 Jan 2005 01:55:05 AM |
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The following is in the about section of the site. It looks like it
could be OK. They buy a new version of the DVD for each customer and
then transfer ownership. Still, there are laws against repackaging and
reselling. Still, they claim to not be retailers since they are a
"co-op".
Is it legal to edit movies?
Yes. CleanFilms is a Co-operative rental club. All subscribers to
our service become members of the Co-op. The Co-op collectively
purchases original, unedited DVD movies then has them edited - always
maintaining a 1 to 1 ratio of edited and non-edited originals.
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right to
edit out content that is objectionable to its members - similar to how
you might press mute to avoid hearing objectionable language today.
Accordingly, you must subscribe as a member of the rental club before
you can rent edited movies.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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09 Jan 2005 03:58:57 AM |
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On 8 Jan 2005 23:55:05 -0800 in alt.atheism, FreeThink ("FreeThink"
<zeno7772004@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
The following is in the about section of the site. It looks like it
could be OK. They buy a new version of the DVD for each customer and
then transfer ownership. Still, there are laws against repackaging and
reselling. Still, they claim to not be retailers since they are a
"co-op".
Is it legal to edit movies?
Yes. CleanFilms is a Co-operative rental club. All subscribers to
our service become members of the Co-op. The Co-op collectively
purchases original, unedited DVD movies then has them edited - always
maintaining a 1 to 1 ratio of edited and non-edited originals.
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right to
edit out content that is objectionable to its members - similar to how
you might press mute to avoid hearing objectionable language today.
Accordingly, you must subscribe as a member of the rental club before
you can rent edited movies.
Odd. I would have thought that in order to edit the films they have to
break the (not very good) encryption on the DVDs, and thus break the
DCMA in that respect, irrelevant of other considerations. Still, it's
probably a tricky area of law, so who knows!?!
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Any lawyers out there? |
09 Jan 2005 06:31:47 AM |
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FreeThink wrote:
The following is in the about section of the site. It looks like it
could be OK. They buy a new version of the DVD for each customer and
then transfer ownership. Still, there are laws against repackaging and
reselling. Still, they claim to not be retailers since they are a
"co-op".
Is it legal to edit movies?
Yes. CleanFilms is a Co-operative rental club. All subscribers to
our service become members of the Co-op.
You a member ?
The Co-op collectively
purchases original, unedited DVD movies then has them edited - always
maintaining a 1 to 1 ratio of edited and non-edited originals.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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| Title: Re: Any lawyers out there? |
09 Jan 2005 01:05:37 PM |
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No. Just a fast cut and paste from their site.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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09 Jan 2005 01:36:05 PM |
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FreeThink wrote:
The following is in the about section of the site. It looks like it
could be OK. They buy a new version of the DVD for each customer and
then transfer ownership. Still, there are laws against repackaging and
reselling. Still, they claim to not be retailers since they are a
"co-op".
Is it legal to edit movies?
Yes. CleanFilms is a Co-operative rental club. All subscribers to
our service become members of the Co-op. The Co-op collectively
purchases original, unedited DVD movies then has them edited - always
maintaining a 1 to 1 ratio of edited and non-edited originals.
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right to
edit out content that is objectionable to its members - similar to how
you might press mute to avoid hearing objectionable language today.
Accordingly, you must subscribe as a member of the rental club before
you can rent edited movies.
It does not say here they maintain a 1 to 1 for each customer, just for each
edited verses original.
If they did the former I would think we should all try them by using their
15 day free trial.
If the latter the co-op nature seems clearly an evasive tactic.
I could buy a copy of the latest and greatest, copy it as many times as I
want and send it out to all my brothers and sisters who share with me the
belief that we all should have a mailing address to receive copies of
movies.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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09 Jan 2005 02:35:32 PM |
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On 08 Jan 2005, FreeThink dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
The following is in the about section of the site. It looks like it
could be OK. They buy a new version of the DVD for each customer and
then transfer ownership. Still, there are laws against repackaging and
reselling. Still, they claim to not be retailers since they are a
"co-op".
Is it legal to edit movies?
Yes. CleanFilms is a Co-operative rental club. All subscribers to
our service become members of the Co-op. The Co-op collectively
purchases original, unedited DVD movies then has them edited - always
maintaining a 1 to 1 ratio of edited and non-edited originals.
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right to
edit out content that is objectionable to its members - similar to how
you might press mute to avoid hearing objectionable language today.
Accordingly, you must subscribe as a member of the rental club before
you can rent edited movies.
This doesn't bother me, as I have the right to seek out the original.
When they censor TV, they are forcing their opinions on everyone, which
is bigotry.
In my area, my daughter tells me she has had to journey closer to the
city to see certain movies, because of some religious group that has
gained a "moral" stronghold here and found a way to block the openings of
a few "objectionable" films.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Any lawyers out there? |
10 Jan 2005 07:14:35 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2005 23:55:05 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right
Since the copyright holder is the actual owner of the movie (the
purchaser only buys the right to view the movie and the ownership of
the piece of plastic it comes on), the Co-op has no right to re-issue
the movie in censored form.
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Levy Oates" |
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09 Jan 2005 04:11:36 AM |
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On 8 Jan 2005 23:55:05 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right to
edit out content that is objectionable to its members - similar to how
you might press mute to avoid hearing objectionable language today.
You press the mute button every time a naughty word pops up? *****!!!
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Levy Oates
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/bumblism/
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| User: "nJb" |
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09 Jan 2005 10:53:30 PM |
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Levy Oates wrote:
On 8 Jan 2005 23:55:05 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right to
edit out content that is objectionable to its members - similar to how
you might press mute to avoid hearing objectionable language today.
You press the mute button every time a naughty word pops up? *****!!!
That would be "FLIP!!!" in Utah.
Jack
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: Any lawyers out there? |
09 Jan 2005 06:24:42 AM |
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Levy Oates wrote:
On 8 Jan 2005 23:55:05 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com> wrote:
As owners of the original, unedited movies, the Co-op has the right to
edit out content that is objectionable to its members - similar to how
you might press mute to avoid hearing objectionable language today.
You press the mute button every time a naughty word pops up? *****!!!
I think he's quoting from the the CleanFilms site. So he probably doesn't,
but some people do!
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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