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"Realityis" |
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27 Jan 2004 02:35:32 PM |
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Anyone else enjoying it? |
When I first became aware of the issue of gay marriage I had a neutral
opinion. I listened to the pros and cons and was a little alarmed at
the claims that it would endanger the family unit and cause general
moral decay. After all I am a heterosexual, happily married person
with 2 wonderful children - I wouldn't want anything to jeopardize our
family unit.
I decided to investigate these claims and guess what? I found
nothing. I see no evidence that allowing gays to marry will in any
way harm my family, anyone's family, my marriage, anyone else's
marriage or any future marriage.
What I did find lurking behind the curtains (pay no attention to that
man!) was religionists. When I observed their reaction I realized
supporting gay marriage was the right thing to do.
When I saw an obviously very happy gay couple on TV I thought "Why
shouldn't they be miserable like the rest of us...?" - _Just
Kidding!!!_ . I thought "If its what they want and it makes them as
happy as they appear to be - why not?"
Now for my confession. I find I am getting a perverse pleasure in
seeing the religionists faces contort with hatred, revealing
themselves as the truly distasteful people they really are, as they
denounce the evils of gay marriage.
I enjoy watching them couch there hate speech in moral, religious
camouflage.
Here is one of the funniest arguments I have heard:
Reverend J. Faber MacDonald, Bishop for the Catholic Church of
Southern New Brunswick, said that gay marriages are counterfeit.
"What would happen to the economic system if we allowed counterfeit
money into the stock exchange? It would collapse," said MacDonald.
"The same thing will happen to the legal system if we allow
counterfeit marriages into our legal system."
(http://www.unb.ca/web/bruns/0304/07/news/protest_samesex.html)
See? Isn't this fun! With powerful arguments like that who can help
but laugh and enjoy themselves?
I also find it very amusing when people say silly things like this:
"The people of Canada have been hijacked by the courts, and we have
become too complacent with things like that," said Susan Hall, a
resident of Fredericton Junction.
Majority rule only applies when it doesn't interfere with the rights
of a minority. The courts and our Bill of Rights are there to protect
us from a dictatorship of the majority. I for one am thankful they
are there and have the courage to stand up for what is right.
Here is a facinating (Not!) interview with one of the sanctimonious
crew:
http://www.marriagecanada.ca/davidmainse.html
Maybe we should make it illegal for chruches to discriminate against
gays? They would really have conniptions then - that would really be
fun ! I think that is what they are really afraid of.
Comments? Flames?
Realityis
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| User: "JTEM" |
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27 Jan 2004 04:11:20 PM |
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"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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28 Jan 2004 04:18:49 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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28 Jan 2004 04:55:07 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:18:49 GMT in alt.atheism, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> ("the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
Just so long as it's cherry flavour.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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28 Jan 2004 06:03:37 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:q75f10hl7vesbgg8lon49741squo5r82br@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:18:49 GMT in alt.atheism, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> ("the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
Just so long as it's cherry flavour.
the closest I got to that is black forest flavour mmm
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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29 Jan 2004 04:12:36 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:37 GMT in alt.atheism, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> ("the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:q75f10hl7vesbgg8lon49741squo5r82br@4ax.com...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:18:49 GMT in alt.atheism, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> ("the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
Just so long as it's cherry flavour.
the closest I got to that is black forest flavour mmm
Kinky *and* fattening. What a wonderful combination. Which reminds me
of a very long and awful joke - but for the moment I shall restrain
myself.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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29 Jan 2004 04:06:47 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:l2nh10hnjs6l918cvcuu7h0tlrsnk0se6e@4ax.com...
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or
something....
lube, anyone?
Just so long as it's cherry flavour.
the closest I got to that is black forest flavour mmm
Kinky *and* fattening. What a wonderful combination. Which reminds me
of a very long and awful joke - but for the moment I shall restrain
myself.
damn Therion, you're a tease
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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31 Jan 2004 05:06:12 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:06:47 GMT in alt.atheism, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> ("the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:l2nh10hnjs6l918cvcuu7h0tlrsnk0se6e@4ax.com...
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
Just so long as it's cherry flavour.
the closest I got to that is black forest flavour mmm
Kinky *and* fattening. What a wonderful combination. Which reminds me
of a very long and awful joke - but for the moment I shall restrain
myself.
damn Therion, you're a tease
It's the white socks. They have this awful influence upon me. When I'm
wearing the shorts. And the redmeat t shirt
http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/buyproducts/prodpage_tshirt.html
(see shirt #2. I wear this for personal callers to my business. They
sign cheques real quick in most cases, or sometimes hand over cash.).
Do you know RedMeat? Think of it as a Sartre/Python version of Jack
Chick.
If you don't, start here:
http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/current/index.html
Though I liked:
http://www.video2cd.co.uk/images/catimages/catfight.gif
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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31 Jan 2004 05:34:59 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:pl4j1016a0i0dm1noqonlfd931gq6l7io3@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:06:47 GMT in alt.atheism, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> ("the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:l2nh10hnjs6l918cvcuu7h0tlrsnk0se6e@4ax.com...
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or
something....
lube, anyone?
Just so long as it's cherry flavour.
the closest I got to that is black forest flavour mmm
Kinky *and* fattening. What a wonderful combination. Which reminds me
of a very long and awful joke - but for the moment I shall restrain
myself.
damn Therion, you're a tease
It's the white socks. They have this awful influence upon me. When I'm
wearing the shorts. And the redmeat t shirt
http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/buyproducts/prodpage_tshirt.html
(see shirt #2. I wear this for personal callers to my business. They
sign cheques real quick in most cases, or sometimes hand over cash.).
lol
Do you know RedMeat? Think of it as a Sartre/Python version of Jack
Chick.
yeah. I know em a little. the bf's a fan
If you don't, start here:
http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/current/index.html
Though I liked:
http://www.video2cd.co.uk/images/catimages/catfight.gif
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being
read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Jan 2004 11:14:15 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:37 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
the closest I got to that is black forest flavour mmm
Kinda musty, earthy? Or do you mean Black Forest cake flavor?
--
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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29 Jan 2004 03:50:59 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:ij5h101q3a8u56vdnnr7uej99gu5guruj0@Pern.rk...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:37 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
the closest I got to that is black forest flavour mmm
Kinda musty, earthy? Or do you mean Black Forest cake flavor?
mmmm....cake, always cake.
sorry I haven't replied to your email Al. I was....busy. with that thing.
you know...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Jan 2004 08:50:38 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:50:59 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
mmmm....cake, always cake.
sorry I haven't replied to your email Al. I was....busy. with that thing.
you know...
Think nothing of it. It's a 5 year old thing, so it'll keep for a few
weeks ... months ... whatever. Enjoy. Let me know when you're ready
to play private detective.
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"I can't activate two neurons simultaneously, and I vote"
- The theistic majority
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Jan 2004 11:13:03 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:18:49 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
Nah, fundies don't deserve any lube.
--
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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29 Jan 2004 03:51:53 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fi5h10l10bf4n7t2mejk8d61veromhr2rf@Pern.rk...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:18:49 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments, and if it weren't for Jesus we'd
have no laws.
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
Nah, fundies don't deserve any lube.
maybe if it has wasabi in it...talk about feeling tha powa!!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Jan 2004 09:05:40 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:51:53 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fi5h10l10bf4n7t2mejk8d61veromhr2rf@Pern.rk...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:18:49 GMT, "the cutest atheist"
<herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
Nah, fundies don't deserve any lube.
maybe if it has wasabi in it...talk about feeling tha powa!!
Talk about wasting good wasabi.
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "bob young" |
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08 Feb 2004 03:35:06 AM |
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the cutest atheist wrote:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
"Realityis" <realityis@canada.com> wrote
Comments? Flames?
You obviously are a lesbian, and a Satanist. You're
also a Communist, but that goes without saying.
Saddam Hussein will use gay marriage to plan
another 9/11 attack on your children. They will
all die if homosexuals are given equal rights.
Christianity can not survive a happily married gay
couple.
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments..........
rubbish....nothing is stronger in China than the family and the same goes
for the rest of Asia [China has a population of around 1.3 billion and
only 85% have any religion at all] so that blows your silly 'family'
argument right out of the window.
Bob
A Brit. in Hong Kong
I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not
understanding the world.
[Richard Dawkins]
LOL, talk about a deep-dicking with the sarcasm *****. or something....
lube, anyone?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2004 08:12:56 PM |
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On 8 Feb 2004 03:35:06 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
the cutest atheist wrote:
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EdmdnaY1hKGhfIvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
You seek to destroy Christianity. You hate families,
as there was no such thing as families before the
Ten Commandments..........
rubbish....nothing is stronger in China than the family and the same goes
for the rest of Asia [China has a population of around 1.3 billion and
only 85% have any religion at all] so that blows your silly 'family'
argument right out of the window.
Even from a biblical viewpoint - Adam and Eve were a family long
before the 10 commandments.
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"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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08 Feb 2004 09:59:44 AM |
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Frankly, I don't _care_ whether homosexuality to innate or not. I don't
think Japanese have a genetic proclivity to eat crickets. What I do know
is that nobody is going to get me to put one those things in my mouth.
What fascinates me is people's priorites. To a conservative, murder is
like jaywalking. We've just murdered something like 10,000 Iraqi
civilians and 15,000 of their soldiers this year by preemptively invading
their land for -- zip, nada, nothing. For lies. Oops. A few eggs get
broken sometimes. Screw 'em. They didn't have Jesus anyway.
But conservatives are going to roll sleeplessly in their beds at night
fearing that somewhere homosexuals will feel good about themselves in
committing to a lasting relationship that is recognized as such.
Ironic, isn't it?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2004 08:14:36 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:59:44 -0600, SMChristenson <smchris@visi.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
What fascinates me is people's priorites. To a conservative, murder is
like jaywalking. We've just murdered something like 10,000 Iraqi
civilians and 15,000 of their soldiers this year by preemptively invading
their land for -- zip, nada, nothing. For lies. Oops. A few eggs get
broken sometimes. Screw 'em. They didn't have Jesus anyway.
But conservatives are going to roll sleeplessly in their beds at night
fearing that somewhere homosexuals will feel good about themselves in
committing to a lasting relationship that is recognized as such.
Ironic, isn't it?
Ironic? No. Stupid. Sickening. Disgusting. But not ironic.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
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| User: "Sean C" |
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27 Jan 2004 11:09:54 PM |
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In article <516aeee7.0401271235.182e1f13@posting.google.com>, Realityis
<realityis@canada.com> wrote:
When I first became aware of the issue of gay marriage I had a neutral
opinion. I listened to the pros and cons and was a little alarmed at
the claims that it would endanger the family unit and cause general
moral decay. After all I am a heterosexual, happily married person
with 2 wonderful children - I wouldn't want anything to jeopardize our
family unit.
You see, if gay marriage is allowed, all those supposedly heterosexual
people out there will abandon their marriages, and run off with some
guy or gal of the same sex, as the temptation to do so will be
irresistable--after all, if it wasn't more fun than being heterosexual,
we wouldn't call those people "gay," would we? No more babies will be
born. All those "family values" Republicans senators who are banging
page boys and watching gay porn on the sly will come out of the closet
and go shack up with Christopher Lowell. Western Civilization will
collapse. Hillary will be our president, and Ellen DeGeneres will be
the First Lady.
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27 Jan 2004 11:25:26 PM |
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On 27 Jan 2004 12:35:32 -0800, (Realityis) posted
in alt.atheism:
When I first became aware of the issue of gay marriage I had a neutral
opinion. I listened to the pros and cons and was a little alarmed at
the claims that it would endanger the family unit and cause general
moral decay. After all I am a heterosexual, happily married person
with 2 wonderful children - I wouldn't want anything to jeopardize our
family unit.
I decided to investigate these claims and guess what? I found
nothing. I see no evidence that allowing gays to marry will in any
way harm my family, anyone's family, my marriage, anyone else's
marriage or any future marriage.
What I did find lurking behind the curtains (pay no attention to that
man!) was religionists. When I observed their reaction I realized
supporting gay marriage was the right thing to do.
When I saw an obviously very happy gay couple on TV I thought "Why
shouldn't they be miserable like the rest of us...?" - _Just
Kidding!!!_ . I thought "If its what they want and it makes them as
happy as they appear to be - why not?"
Now for my confession. I find I am getting a perverse pleasure in
seeing the religionists faces contort with hatred, revealing
themselves as the truly distasteful people they really are, as they
denounce the evils of gay marriage.
I enjoy watching them couch there hate speech in moral, religious
camouflage.
Here is one of the funniest arguments I have heard:
Reverend J. Faber MacDonald, Bishop for the Catholic Church of
Southern New Brunswick, said that gay marriages are counterfeit.
"What would happen to the economic system if we allowed counterfeit
money into the stock exchange? It would collapse," said MacDonald.
"The same thing will happen to the legal system if we allow
counterfeit marriages into our legal system."
(http://www.unb.ca/web/bruns/0304/07/news/protest_samesex.html)
See? Isn't this fun! With powerful arguments like that who can help
but laugh and enjoy themselves?
I also find it very amusing when people say silly things like this:
"The people of Canada have been hijacked by the courts, and we have
become too complacent with things like that," said Susan Hall, a
resident of Fredericton Junction.
Majority rule only applies when it doesn't interfere with the rights
of a minority. The courts and our Bill of Rights are there to protect
us from a dictatorship of the majority. I for one am thankful they
are there and have the courage to stand up for what is right.
Here is a facinating (Not!) interview with one of the sanctimonious
crew:
http://www.marriagecanada.ca/davidmainse.html
Maybe we should make it illegal for chruches to discriminate against
gays? They would really have conniptions then - that would really be
fun ! I think that is what they are really afraid of.
Comments?
Well said.
Flames?
I gave up smoking 8 years ago.
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premature today."
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| User: "towelie" |
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27 Jan 2004 04:59:44 PM |
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TV's Realityis wrote:
Maybe we should make it illegal for chruches to discriminate against
gays? They would really have conniptions then - that would really be
fun ! I think that is what they are really afraid of.
I think you're right. If hating gays becomes illegal, who will be left to
be targets of all that vitriol? They can't get away with hating women or
racial/ethnic groups openly (although they do discriminate against them in
subtle ways, they aren't happy unless they can flaunt their hatred like a
prize.) How wonderful Christian love truly is.
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Don't waste your touch, you won't feel anything
Or were you sent to save me?
I've thought too much
You won't find anything worthy of redeeming
AFI - The Leaving Song Pt. II
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| User: "Adrian" |
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28 Jan 2004 12:00:26 AM |
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The issue is over the government sanctioning the marriage -- not gays
getting married. After all, gays can and always have been able to get
married. What they lack is the ability to have the *legal* status of
"married". Asking for this right from the government entails asking
the government to endorse and/or recognize homosexuality as a
legitimate lifestyle choice. That is why those that do not think that
homosexuality is a legitimate practice or life style choice are so
up-in-arms about it.
The real truth is that the government shouldn't be going around
putting a seal of approval on any life style decisions, and that is
all this whole issue is -- the gay community as a political minority
group weilding the government to further gain acceptance for and
otherwise validate their life style. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not
saying that toleration for homosexuality (or for any life style
choices) isn't a desirable trait in society. But, I do think that
this has very little to do with gays really wanting to get married,
per se, and more to do with trying to make homosexuality seem as
"normal" as possible. In fact, there is probably even more to it than
that in terms of other issues (such as adoption) and gaining
additional credibility.
At any rate, marriage has always been an informal practice that has
existed for centuries. When such a couple breaks up, it is then that
the government must determine how to handle their separating and the
ensuing disputes (such as how to divy up the assets, what to do with
the children, and so on). With the way marriages come and go in this
day and age and the often childless nature of the gay life style
choice, I think it might just be time to do away with the antiquated
informal practice of getting married and replace it with more formal
and more meaningful contracts, anyway. I do also think that most such
contracts would not be even close to the same for gays as they would
be for heterosexuals. (Mine would read mainly about having children
together, not havign them with other people, and the contract would
last until the children were grown and no longer, and so on. If I was
gay, it probably would have a whole different focus.)
On 27 Jan 2004 12:35:32 -0800, (Realityis) wrote:
When I first became aware of the issue of gay marriage I had a neutral
opinion. I listened to the pros and cons and was a little alarmed at
the claims that it would endanger the family unit and cause general
moral decay. After all I am a heterosexual, happily married person
with 2 wonderful children - I wouldn't want anything to jeopardize our
family unit.
I decided to investigate these claims and guess what? I found
nothing. I see no evidence that allowing gays to marry will in any
way harm my family, anyone's family, my marriage, anyone else's
marriage or any future marriage.
What I did find lurking behind the curtains (pay no attention to that
man!) was religionists. When I observed their reaction I realized
supporting gay marriage was the right thing to do.
When I saw an obviously very happy gay couple on TV I thought "Why
shouldn't they be miserable like the rest of us...?" - _Just
Kidding!!!_ . I thought "If its what they want and it makes them as
happy as they appear to be - why not?"
Now for my confession. I find I am getting a perverse pleasure in
seeing the religionists faces contort with hatred, revealing
themselves as the truly distasteful people they really are, as they
denounce the evils of gay marriage.
I enjoy watching them couch there hate speech in moral, religious
camouflage.
Here is one of the funniest arguments I have heard:
Reverend J. Faber MacDonald, Bishop for the Catholic Church of
Southern New Brunswick, said that gay marriages are counterfeit.
"What would happen to the economic system if we allowed counterfeit
money into the stock exchange? It would collapse," said MacDonald.
"The same thing will happen to the legal system if we allow
counterfeit marriages into our legal system."
(http://www.unb.ca/web/bruns/0304/07/news/protest_samesex.html)
See? Isn't this fun! With powerful arguments like that who can help
but laugh and enjoy themselves?
I also find it very amusing when people say silly things like this:
"The people of Canada have been hijacked by the courts, and we have
become too complacent with things like that," said Susan Hall, a
resident of Fredericton Junction.
Majority rule only applies when it doesn't interfere with the rights
of a minority. The courts and our Bill of Rights are there to protect
us from a dictatorship of the majority. I for one am thankful they
are there and have the courage to stand up for what is right.
Here is a facinating (Not!) interview with one of the sanctimonious
crew:
http://www.marriagecanada.ca/davidmainse.html
Maybe we should make it illegal for chruches to discriminate against
gays? They would really have conniptions then - that would really be
fun ! I think that is what they are really afraid of.
Comments? Flames?
Realityis
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| User: "JTEM" |
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28 Jan 2004 05:01:54 AM |
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"Adrian" <adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote
The issue is over the government sanctioning the marriage
No it isn't.
100% of the argument from the anti-rights side is phrased
in religious-dubbed-moral terms.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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28 Jan 2004 05:11:52 AM |
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"Adrian" <adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote
The issue is over the government sanctioning the marriage
Oops. Hit "Send" a little too soon...
Anyhow, 100% of the arguments from the anti-right people
are phrased entirely in religious-dubbed-moral terms.
Examples from your own text are to follow:
Asking for this right from the government entails asking
the government to endorse and/or recognize homosexuality
as a legitimate lifestyle choice.
"Gay" doesn't describe a lifestyle, it describes a person. What's
more, it is only within the context of certain religious-dubbed-
moral views that there is any issue at all with gay relationships
enjoying the exact same legal rights as everybody else.
The real truth is that the government shouldn't be going
around putting a seal of approval on any life style decisions,
Strawman. Not on of the responses to gay marriage, whether
already enacted or merely proposed, would remove government
from the business of placing their "Seal of approval" on
relationships.
None of the laws passed, and the constitutional amendment that
has been drafted would not do this.
the gay community as a political minority group weilding the
government to further gain acceptance for and otherwise
validate their life style.
Could you define & describe this "Lifestyle" for us, using plenty
of real world examples?
Thanks in advance.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that toleration for
homosexuality (or for any life style choices) isn't a desirable
trait in society.
You're not? You need to go back and re-think a few comments
then. Seriously.
At any rate, marriage has always been an informal practice
that has existed for centuries.
"Was" always, not "Has" always.
It's certainly not now, and it hasn't been for many decades.
It's also irrelevant. It's a strawman. There is no legislation,
no constitutional amendment that would return marriage to
an informal practice, and none with any chance of ever
being seriously considered.
of the gay life style choice,
Oops, you're a troll. Why didn't you just say that?
It would have saved a lot of time..
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| User: "Adrian" |
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29 Jan 2004 01:08:43 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:11:52 -0500, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Adrian" <adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote
The issue is over the government sanctioning the marriage
Oops. Hit "Send" a little too soon...
Anyhow, 100% of the arguments from the anti-right people
are phrased entirely in religious-dubbed-moral terms.
Examples from your own text are to follow:
Perhaps you missed the part about the fact that gays have always been
and even can right now get married. What they cannot do is acquire
the legal status, for instance, on their tax forms. So they are not
talking about something gays can and have always been able to do but
rather something they have as yet been unable to do, namely get a
government sanctioned marriage.
Asking for this right from the government entails asking
the government to endorse and/or recognize homosexuality
as a legitimate lifestyle choice.
"Gay" doesn't describe a lifestyle, it describes a person. What's
more, it is only within the context of certain religious-dubbed-
moral views that there is any issue at all with gay relationships
enjoying the exact same legal rights as everybody else.
Yes it does. Your sexual preference falls under your lifestyle
choices. No -- it isn't the religion. It is the conservatism.
The real truth is that the government shouldn't be going
around putting a seal of approval on any life style decisions,
Strawman. Not on of the responses to gay marriage, whether
already enacted or merely proposed, would remove government
from the business of placing their "Seal of approval" on
relationships.
None of the laws passed, and the constitutional amendment that
has been drafted would not do this.
Right. That is beside the point. The real truth, nevertheless, is
that the government shouldn't be putting its seal of approval on life
style decisions.
the gay community as a political minority group weilding the
government to further gain acceptance for and otherwise
validate their life style.
Could you define & describe this "Lifestyle" for us, using plenty
of real world examples?
Thanks in advance.
Perhaps it would help if I said that heterosexuality is a life style
choice as well.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that toleration for
homosexuality (or for any life style choices) isn't a desirable
trait in society.
You're not? You need to go back and re-think a few comments
then. Seriously.
On the contrary, YOU need to go back and rethink a few comments that I
made. You're to busy grandstanding your gay rights platform to have
adiscussion about anything.
At any rate, marriage has always been an informal practice
that has existed for centuries.
"Was" always, not "Has" always.
It still is. The formal part of most marriages are nearly non
existent compared to the informal parts. And the actual contract
entailed in a marriage is completely implied (informally). Perhaps
you think I mean "t shirt and jeans" or some such silly thing.
Obviously, I am referring to the LEGAL implications of marriage. All
the pomp and circumstance of a proper catholic wedding does not do
anythign to make the marriage more FORMAL. That is informal and has
no particular FORMAL legal implications. It is not as though jus
because you had a CATHOLIC wedding they are going to start treating
you any differently than a couple that got married at the justice of
the peace. That is why are mostly informal agreements between people
that are nonetheless upheld in court to various extents
It's certainly not now, and it hasn't been for many decades.
It certainly is.
It's also irrelevant. It's a strawman.
No it is not an irrelevant straw man. You are just an argumentative
***** who thinks he is striking a blow for gay rights right now.
There is no legislation,
no constitutional amendment that would return marriage to
an informal practice, and none with any chance of ever
being seriously considered.
What are you talking about? Marriage is an informal practice. There
is no legal contract everyone signs with all the specific duties of
husband wife listed therein. That is a formal arrangement. Having a
minister get up and recite scripture doesn't make the *marriage* any
more formal. A marriage is an INFORMAL arrangement between two
people.
of the gay life style choice,
Oops, you're a troll. Why didn't you just say that?
It would have saved a lot of time..
You're a selfaggrandizing dumbass. Do you think we are all impressed
with your "open mindedness" about gays? Wow, what a sensitive guy you
are! You must be enlightened and wise if you can be so accepting of
gay marriages!
***** *****
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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29 Jan 2004 10:23:38 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:08:43 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:11:52 -0500, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Adrian" <adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote
The issue is over the government sanctioning the marriage
Oops. Hit "Send" a little too soon...
Anyhow, 100% of the arguments from the anti-right people
are phrased entirely in religious-dubbed-moral terms.
Examples from your own text are to follow:
Perhaps you missed the part about the fact that gays have always been
and even can right now get married. What they cannot do is acquire
the legal status, for instance, on their tax forms.
In other words they are not allowed to be legally married. The above
makes little sense.
So they are not
talking about something gays can and have always been able to do but
rather something they have as yet been unable to do, namely get a
government sanctioned marriage.
And there are no non-religious reasons for denying them a right
everyone else has.
Asking for this right from the government entails asking
the government to endorse and/or recognize homosexuality
as a legitimate lifestyle choice.
"Gay" doesn't describe a lifestyle, it describes a person. What's
more, it is only within the context of certain religious-dubbed-
moral views that there is any issue at all with gay relationships
enjoying the exact same legal rights as everybody else.
Yes it does. Your sexual preference falls under your lifestyle
choices. No -- it isn't the religion. It is the conservatism.
Homosexuality is not a choice. Religion, however, is a choice. Does
the government recognize and endorse a particular religion when it
allows ministers to perform legally binding marriage ceremonies?
The real truth is that the government shouldn't be going
around putting a seal of approval on any life style decisions,
Strawman. Not on of the responses to gay marriage, whether
already enacted or merely proposed, would remove government
from the business of placing their "Seal of approval" on
relationships.
None of the laws passed, and the constitutional amendment that
has been drafted would not do this.
Right. That is beside the point. The real truth, nevertheless, is
that the government shouldn't be putting its seal of approval on life
style decisions.
the gay community as a political minority group weilding the
government to further gain acceptance for and otherwise
validate their life style.
Could you define & describe this "Lifestyle" for us, using plenty
of real world examples?
Thanks in advance.
Perhaps it would help if I said that heterosexuality is a life style
choice as well.
When did you choose to be a heterosexual?
snip
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Adrian" |
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30 Jan 2004 12:36:31 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:23:38 +0100, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:08:43 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
-snip-
Perhaps it would help if I said that heterosexuality is a life style
choice as well.
When did you choose to be a heterosexual?
I choose to be heterosexuall all the time whenever I have sex with a
member of the opposite sex.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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30 Jan 2004 05:02:52 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:36:31 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:23:38 +0100, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:08:43 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
-snip-
Perhaps it would help if I said that heterosexuality is a life style
choice as well.
When did you choose to be a heterosexual?
I choose to be heterosexuall all the time whenever I have sex with a
member of the opposite sex.
Most people have sex with someone (when sexual enjoyment is the
motivation) because they feel a sexual attraction for that person.
One does not choose to feel that attraction. You do not choose to be
heterosexual or homoxexual. If you are not heteroxexual, you are not
going to be attracted to the opposite sex. If you are not homosexual,
you are not going to be attracted to your own sex. It is not a matter
of choice.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Adrian" |
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31 Jan 2004 12:15:46 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:02:52 +0100, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:36:31 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:23:38 +0100, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:08:43 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
-snip-
Perhaps it would help if I said that heterosexuality is a life style
choice as well.
When did you choose to be a heterosexual?
I choose to be heterosexuall all the time whenever I have sex with a
member of the opposite sex.
Most people have sex with someone (when sexual enjoyment is the
motivation) because they feel a sexual attraction for that person.
One does not choose to feel that attraction. You do not choose to be
heterosexual or homoxexual. If you are not heteroxexual, you are not
going to be attracted to the opposite sex. If you are not homosexual,
you are not going to be attracted to your own sex. It is not a matter
of choice.
Your feelings are not a matter of choice. The choice aspect of you
acting on your feelings is not really an issue in anything I have
said. Now skip the melodrama and lose the chip on your shoulder.
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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31 Jan 2004 10:27:56 AM |
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Adrian <adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<7uhm1014mi470ttsu29asjqjggtmk2f3of@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:02:52 +0100, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:36:31 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:23:38 +0100, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:08:43 GMT, Adrian
<adriansdurham@houston.rr.com> wrote:
-snip-
Perhaps it would help if I said that heterosexuality is a life style
choice as well.
When did you choose to be a heterosexual?
I choose to be heterosexuall all the time whenever I have sex with a
member of the opposite sex.
Most people have sex with someone (when sexual enjoyment is the
motivation) because they feel a sexual attraction for that person.
One does not choose to feel that attraction. You do not choose to be
heterosexual or homoxexual. If you are not heteroxexual, you are not
going to be attracted to the opposite sex. If you are not homosexual,
you are not going to be attracted to your own sex. It is not a matter
of choice.
Your feelings are not a matter of choice. The choice aspect of you
acting on your feelings is not really an issue in anything I have
said. Now skip the melodrama and lose the chip on your shoulder.
Did anyone else's gaydar scream "Kinsey 4!" at this? Just askin'.
eyelessgame
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