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08 Nov 2005 04:07:28 PM |
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Anyone Still Against The Death Penalty? |
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
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Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way that
it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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15 Dec 2005 01:52:20 PM |
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:34:52 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:r1k0q194o2tate0de8d009rmocn0rf0idn@4ax.com:
Right next to all the lawyers who have lied to get a guilty client
off, I presume.
I would say that is part of Phase II.
Killing all the lawyers sounds like a wonderful idea.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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15 Dec 2005 05:24:10 PM |
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Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:cbi3q1dai4egtfop6fatei3kkr97sgm998@4ax.com:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:34:52 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
news:r1k0q194o2tate0de8d009rmocn0rf0idn@4ax.com:
Right next to all the lawyers who have lied to get a guilty client
off, I presume.
I would say that is part of Phase II.
Killing all the lawyers sounds like a wonderful idea.
nah...death is too easy.
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| User: "Clan_MacKay" |
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27 Nov 2005 11:13:52 AM |
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Ike wrote:
"Brian Henderson" <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:00:30 GMT, "Ike"
<accordiondocxyzxyzxyz@mindspring.com> wrote:
But my original point which the poster snipped was, that the legal system
should have a first priority of protecting society, not revenge.
That is protecting society. Anyone you put to death will never, under
any circumstances, commit another crime. They don't take up space,
you don't have to feed them, you don't have to give them cable TV, you
bury their worthless remains and let them fertilize flowers, which is
about all they're good for.
How about the ones that are found not guilty after execution? Plus, just
because you happen to be a murderer, doesn't make you 100% evil. Just
dangerous.
Murder not "Evil"?
Interesting philosophy, I guess nobody you know has been a victim of
"Evil-less" Murder.
Clan MacKay
"Life is Short, Play Naked!"
Troll-Free Zone
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/SocialFamilyNudism
http://groups.google.com/group/Future-Earth-Survival
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| User: "http://www.whereisthemoney.org/" |
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11 Nov 2005 05:22:34 PM |
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On 11 Nov 2005 14:45:57 -0800, "Psycho Dave" <psycho@weirdcrap.com> wrote:
Killers can best serve society by acting
as psychiatric learning aids to understand what causes psychopathy in
humans.
Except the killers are running governments and their psychologists are the
biggest killers of all.
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| User: "Mark Stahl" |
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09 Nov 2005 01:20:42 PM |
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"HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131487648.831947.315470@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
news:6q-dnWQL3KVHiezeRVn-qQ@rcn.net...
Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way that
it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
If you support the death penalty, then you are.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:14:05 PM |
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HVAC wrote:
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
news:6q-dnWQL3KVHiezeRVn-qQ@rcn.net...
Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way
that it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
"I'm not in favor of executing the innocent" is the same calim that Islam
makes.
THEY decide who is innocent.
As for who is against the death penalty, I am, and so are most intustrial
countries.
In general, the countries that still behave in this barbaric manner are the
ones the USA says are the bad guys..
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| User: "Sir Gilligan Horry" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:49:02 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 03:14:05 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
HVAC wrote:
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
news:6q-dnWQL3KVHiezeRVn-qQ@rcn.net...
Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way
that it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
"I'm not in favor of executing the innocent" is the same calim that Islam
makes.
THEY decide who is innocent.
As for who is against the death penalty, I am, and so are most intustrial
countries.
In general, the countries that still behave in this barbaric manner are the
ones the USA says are the bad guys..
I would like to see good societies in good countries where they see
young folks doing their best for the betterment of their societies.
And then if the young folks grow old and want to 'reboot' at the age
of say 50 or 60 instead of placing a burden on those new good
societies, ... then let it be.
It would solve the over population problems, we would have extra
respect, and love each other more, planet Earth would be healthier,
and almost everyone ever born on Earth would enjoy a better quality of
life.
The only thing preventing us from creating that type of advanced
cooperation is the present lack of care, lack of intelligence, and
over abundance of corruption existing now.
_______________
Disclaimer:
No, I'm not *****.
I'm very relaxed.
Thanks to America.
And other good democratic countries.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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09 Nov 2005 05:47:56 AM |
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Sir Gilligan Horry <GM@ga7rm5er.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I would like to see good societies in good countries where they see
young folks doing their best for the betterment of their societies.
And then if the young folks grow old and want to 'reboot' at the age
of say 50 or 60 instead of placing a burden on those new good
societies, ... then let it be.
Reboot?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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21 Nov 2005 10:53:34 PM |
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I don't see what good it does, other than feed a culture of revenge and
violence. An eye for an eye. But other than that does it solve
anything? Will it prevent similar things from happening? I doubt it.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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22 Nov 2005 07:59:43 AM |
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On 21 Nov 2005 20:53:34 -0800, wrote:
I don't see what good it does, other than feed a culture of revenge and
violence. An eye for an eye. But other than that does it solve
anything? Will it prevent similar things from happening? I doubt it.
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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22 Nov 2005 08:56:58 AM |
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John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:1096o1tp5m8fmfok4cthpfuovpgbsat04l@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2005 20:53:34 -0800, wrote:
I don't see what good it does, other than feed a culture of revenge and
violence. An eye for an eye. But other than that does it solve
anything? Will it prevent similar things from happening? I doubt it.
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
No executed criminal has ever committed another crime. ;-)
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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22 Nov 2005 12:26:18 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns9716655A2AFE2fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:1096o1tp5m8fmfok4cthpfuovpgbsat04l@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2005 20:53:34 -0800, wrote:
I don't see what good it does, other than feed a culture of revenge and
violence. An eye for an eye. But other than that does it solve
anything? Will it prevent similar things from happening? I doubt it.
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
No executed criminal has ever committed another crime. ;-)
Oft repeated and nearly meaningless. How many people in the United
States have been executed who were not guilty of the crime they were
charged with?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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22 Nov 2005 01:18:32 PM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:5lo6o1h8rmu4v2unjr76krretnb8brh3k9@4ax.com:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns9716655A2AFE2fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:1096o1tp5m8fmfok4cthpfuovpgbsat04l@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2005 20:53:34 -0800, wrote:
I don't see what good it does, other than feed a culture of revenge
and violence. An eye for an eye. But other than that does it solve
anything? Will it prevent similar things from happening? I doubt it.
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
No executed criminal has ever committed another crime. ;-)
Oft repeated and nearly meaningless. How many people in the United
States have been executed who were not guilty of the crime they were
charged with?
You tell me. Give us a percentage, if you please.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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22 Nov 2005 01:45:19 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns971691B13187Efstone69@213.155.197.138>:
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:5lo6o1h8rmu4v2unjr76krretnb8brh3k9@4ax.com:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns9716655A2AFE2fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:1096o1tp5m8fmfok4cthpfuovpgbsat04l@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2005 20:53:34 -0800, wrote:
I don't see what good it does, other than feed a culture of revenge
and violence. An eye for an eye. But other than that does it solve
anything? Will it prevent similar things from happening? I doubt it.
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
No executed criminal has ever committed another crime. ;-)
Oft repeated and nearly meaningless. How many people in the United
States have been executed who were not guilty of the crime they were
charged with?
You tell me. Give us a percentage, if you please.
The problem is that we do not know. We do know that there have been
serious problems, but we don't follow up on claims of innocence for
those who have been executed. The evidence strongly implies that it is
notably greater than zero. Those who were on death row, but were freed
because they were able to show that they did not do it forces us to
conclude that states that are less interested in a full airing of the
problem of death row have also executed those who were convicted of
crimes they did not commit.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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15 Dec 2005 10:46:27 AM |
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David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:v2t6o19nrbtmog7k1kvgh7as99ccivu2ig@4ax.com:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns971691B13187Efstone69@213.155.197.138>:
David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in
news:5lo6o1h8rmu4v2unjr76krretnb8brh3k9@4ax.com:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:58 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in
<Xns9716655A2AFE2fstone69@213.155.197.138>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:1096o1tp5m8fmfok4cthpfuovpgbsat04l@4ax.com:
On 21 Nov 2005 20:53:34 -0800, wrote:
I don't see what good it does, other than feed a culture of revenge
and violence. An eye for an eye. But other than that does it solve
anything? Will it prevent similar things from happening? I doubt it.
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
No executed criminal has ever committed another crime. ;-)
Oft repeated and nearly meaningless. How many people in the United
States have been executed who were not guilty of the crime they were
charged with?
You tell me. Give us a percentage, if you please.
The problem is that we do not know. We do know that there have been
serious problems, but we don't follow up on claims of innocence for
those who have been executed. The evidence strongly implies that it is
notably greater than zero. Those who were on death row, but were freed
because they were able to show that they did not do it forces us to
conclude that states that are less interested in a full airing of the
problem of death row have also executed those who were convicted of
crimes they did not commit.
A conviction is not proof of guilt.
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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23 Nov 2005 03:12:13 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:26:18 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
Oft repeated and nearly meaningless. How many people in the United
States have been executed who were not guilty of the crime they were
charged with?
How many that have been executed were never guilty of any crime for
which they were not caught and prosecuted? Find us a couple people on
death row who are completely innocent of ever commiting a serious
crime.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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23 Nov 2005 04:16:38 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:12:13 GMT, in alt.atheism
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
<2qm9o111n27s2spt88fk9shdi901s933gu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:26:18 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
Oft repeated and nearly meaningless. How many people in the United
States have been executed who were not guilty of the crime they were
charged with?
How many that have been executed were never guilty of any crime for
which they were not caught and prosecuted? Find us a couple people on
death row who are completely innocent of ever commiting a serious
crime.
You may not care what kind of a mockery of justice is made by false
convictions, but I do.
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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24 Nov 2005 02:07:09 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:16:38 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
You may not care what kind of a mockery of justice is made by false
convictions, but I do.
I care about justice. The current legal system isn't about justice,
it's about lawyers getting rich, getting off guilty people on
technicalities, etc. Lying, cheating and fraud are all hallmarks of
the current system that you seem so proud of.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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24 Nov 2005 07:51:29 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:07:09 GMT, in alt.atheism
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
<t76co1h9p29n81nlp0p0kqd55lj6qphbp6@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:16:38 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
You may not care what kind of a mockery of justice is made by false
convictions, but I do.
I care about justice. The current legal system isn't about justice,
it's about lawyers getting rich, getting off guilty people on
technicalities, etc. Lying, cheating and fraud are all hallmarks of
the current system that you seem so proud of.
How does that explain your glib indifference to whether the people
convicted of a capital offense actually did it?
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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25 Nov 2005 03:38:07 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:51:29 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
How does that explain your glib indifference to whether the people
convicted of a capital offense actually did it?
I actually acknowledge that humans are capable of making mistakes and
that simply because we can make mistakes, we shouldn't hide in the
corner, refusing to actually do anything, just in case.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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25 Nov 2005 04:15:02 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:38:07 GMT, in alt.atheism
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
<jv0fo1p2go0hcvvgcc54m9vjvgrejnmvja@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:51:29 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
How does that explain your glib indifference to whether the people
convicted of a capital offense actually did it?
I actually acknowledge that humans are capable of making mistakes and
that simply because we can make mistakes, we shouldn't hide in the
corner, refusing to actually do anything, just in case.
Putting people in prison is 'hiding in the corner, refusing to actually
do anything'? Nonsense.
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Get yer blood-lust here.
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22 Nov 2005 10:33:32 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:59:43 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
It's not supposed to be a deterrent. If it was, it would be called
the death deterrent. It is, however, a 100% effective means of
punishment, no one who has been executed ever commits another crime.
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22 Nov 2005 12:27:02 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:33:32 GMT, in alt.atheism
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
<53i6o1d78h5bdt2oep982lv33uupmfa8to@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:59:43 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
No, it doesn't. Capital punishment has *never* been shown to be an
effective deterrent.
It's not supposed to be a deterrent. If it was, it would be called
the death deterrent. It is, however, a 100% effective means of
punishment, no one who has been executed ever commits another crime.
Even if they hadn't committed the one they were convicted of.
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23 Nov 2005 03:06:23 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:27:02 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
Even if they hadn't committed the one they were convicted of.
I don't think there are a lot of angels sitting around on death row,
completely innocent of any crime, do you? Even if, by some chance,
they were wrongfully convicted by a jury of their peers, the
conviction was upheld by appeal, usually quite a few appeals, the
chances that they weren't guilty of other crimes for which they were
never caught is somewhere between slim and nil. I don't see it as a
particular loss, not having them around, honestly.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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23 Nov 2005 03:15:58 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:06:23 GMT, in alt.atheism
Brian Henderson <BrianL.Henderson@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in
<jbm9o1t4h7i4f820qibecj5hdmkbcrsv3s@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:27:02 -0600, David Jensen
<david@dajensen-family.com> wrote:
Even if they hadn't committed the one they were convicted of.
I don't think there are a lot of angels sitting around on death row,
completely innocent of any crime, do you?
Probably not, but that's a lousy excuse for not getting it right. "He
may not have actually killed that woman, but we really dislike him, so
when we couldn't figure out who did it, we framed him, since no one
would believe what he had to say anyway."
Even if, by some chance,
they were wrongfully convicted by a jury of their peers, the
conviction was upheld by appeal, usually quite a few appeals, the
chances that they weren't guilty of other crimes for which they were
never caught is somewhere between slim and nil. I don't see it as a
particular loss, not having them around, honestly.
It's a loss to our justice system. It's easy to be dismissive of
injustice when you aren't likely to be the victim of it, but routine
injustice destroys our culture and reinforces those who want to bring
people into organized criminal activity. When police and prosecutor
misbehavior makes it easy to persuade folks that they won't get a fair
shake anyway, so there's no reason to play by the rules, all of society
suffers, not just the local subculture.
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08 Nov 2005 09:02:21 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2005 14:07:28 -0800, "HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
news:6q-dnWQL3KVHiezeRVn-qQ@rcn.net...
Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way that
it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
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(this is true...)
The thing with me is I'm a common sense rather honesty let's do our
best for a better future type person.
When I was at primary school then senior school being bullied by
profoundly stupid idiots I still didn't have any thoughts of killing
them.
I just kept going to school.
Maybe because I didn't have the brains to leave my pathetic school and
weak limp noodle family.
These days with a tiny bit more brains thanks to the wonderful
Internet..... I will honestly say we should take out some bad apples
and put them in the compost.
Although, however, I was once a bad apple on rare occasions in the
past.
i.e. A friend and I once stole CB radios from a trucking firm at
night.
My first CB radio when I was about 18 years old, and it was like the
Internet, being able to keep in touch with acquaintances and make new
friends, etc.
Q: Would I wish not to be put to death for that, because I was a bad
apple.... ? ........ A: yes.
Mainly because good governments and good societies and great countries
on planet Earth gave me a chance.
In fact that is the best chance we all have of a better future.
Is to forgive and move on.
(unless someone is truly evil messed up too much, and they need to be
studied and contained, but also kindly educated)
One tiny example of everything we can do, is look at the huge variety
of music and art available today.
And show some respect and admiration.
P.S.
I watched a documentary on TV last night about old Egypt.
And the over infestation of liars and thieves and corruption they
suffered.
We people of planet Earth can do better.
Even without kooky green alien stories.
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| Title: Re: Anyone Still Against The Death Penalty? |
08 Nov 2005 06:32:17 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2005 14:07:28 -0800, "HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
news:6q-dnWQL3KVHiezeRVn-qQ@rcn.net...
Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way that
it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
Nor am I. Like you, I've seen some low-life scum that I could
cheerfully strangle with my bare hands and not lose a second's sleep.
Still, I oppose the death penalty simply because the system isn't
perfect. Mistakes happen.
Until and unless the system can absolutely guarantee that no innocent
person will ever be wrongly convicted, there is no justification for
capital punishment.
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| User: "FaithfulPug" |
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09 Nov 2005 01:02:18 AM |
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John Baker <nunya@biziniz.net> in news:p3g2n1la0r89rdace588jfr1dnuratdntd@4ax.com:
Until and unless the system can absolutely guarantee that no innocent
person will ever be wrongly convicted, there is no justification for
capital punishment.
what? isn't our love for Big Government enough justification?
you really should be more trusting.. as we are...
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...and on the Eighth Day, the roomful of monkeys typed up a "Preowned Testament"..
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| User: "" |
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09 Nov 2005 05:14:37 PM |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:32:17 GMT, John Baker <nunya@biziniz.net>
wrote:
On 8 Nov 2005 14:07:28 -0800, "HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
news:6q-dnWQL3KVHiezeRVn-qQ@rcn.net...
Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way that
it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
Nor am I. Like you, I've seen some low-life scum that I could
cheerfully strangle with my bare hands and not lose a second's sleep.
Still, I oppose the death penalty simply because the system isn't
perfect. Mistakes happen.
Until and unless the system can absolutely guarantee that no innocent
person will ever be wrongly convicted, there is no justification for
capital punishment.
I would support the death penalty but only if I knew the standards of
proof were far beyond reasonable doubt
Then, there's debate over whether it costs more to feed a killer for
life, or go through decades of appeals (add in the states legal
costs). At least the appeals process could reduce mistakes.
Even tho "Death Row" sounds bad, and I'm sure everyone has heard about
it, people still kill, so it doesn't seem to have a deterrent effect:
some people will kill others anyway.
TheRain
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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09 Nov 2005 08:08:06 PM |
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wrote:
I would support the death penalty but only if I knew the standards of
proof were far beyond reasonable doubt
Then, there's debate over whether it costs more to feed a killer for
life, or go through decades of appeals (add in the states legal
costs). At least the appeals process could reduce mistakes.
There's no debate. The appeals process costs the state millions and a
separate holding facility is needed for those awaiting execution.
The cost of adding a few people to a population of thousands is essentially
zero.
No new buildings, no new facilities and no additional guards.
If you've ever fed 100 people you know there is always enough to feed 110 so
even the cost of food is essentially zero.
The cost is based on the total cost at some time divided by the number of
inmates. They use this value to claim the expense.
In reality the average cost goes down as the number of inmates goes up.
Even tho "Death Row" sounds bad, and I'm sure everyone has heard about
it, people still kill, so it doesn't seem to have a deterrent effect:
some people will kill others anyway.
It never has. Part of that reason is because most murders are committed by
close family or friends.
You are safer in the most dangerous part of a city at night, with money
dripping out of your pocket, than on a Friday night after two drinks with
your spouse.
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| User: "raven1" |
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08 Nov 2005 08:35:35 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2005 14:07:28 -0800, "HVAC" <MR.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:
"Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> wrote in message
news:6q-dnWQL3KVHiezeRVn-qQ@rcn.net...
Many of us are not against the death penalty in itself, but the way that
it is used at present.
OK. This piece of human excrement was filmed taking the girl, then
told his brother where to find her dead, raped body.
I would have absolutely no problem killing him myself.
I'd sleep well that night.
PS- I'm not in favor of executing the innocent
Then you should be in favor of abolishing the death penalty until we
can be 100% sure the person we execute is guilty.
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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