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"Harlow V. A. Campbell" |
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15 Dec 2005 11:45:47 AM |
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Anyone Still Against The Death Penealty? |
"Spindler of Kittens" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sz_nf.40055$D13.26048@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
You know, formatting prose as if it's poetry, doesn't make it poetry.
Besides, the last I heard, it somehow costs more to kill them, than to
keep them.
What's your cite? .......... moveon.org?
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| User: "jcon" |
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| Title: Re: Anyone Still Against The Death Penealty? |
15 Dec 2005 01:45:41 PM |
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Harlow V. A. Campbell wrote:
"Spindler of Kittens" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sz_nf.40055$D13.26048@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
You know, formatting prose as if it's poetry, doesn't make it poetry.
Besides, the last I heard, it somehow costs more to kill them, than to
keep them.
What's your cite? .......... moveon.org?
This page cites a number of studies that all come up with fairly
similar
numbers: between $2 and 3 million to execute someone versus <$1 million
to incarcerate them for 40 years:
http://www.mindspring.com/~phporter/econ.html
Many question these studies, claiming:
- The incarceration figure is based on minimum security cells,
whereas
these sort of criminals would be in maximum security cells
- The cost of the death penalty is mostly in appeals, and the
incarcerated
criminals can also appeal. It's unclear whether the incarceration
cost
includes that based on the way it's calculated.
This rabidly pro death penalty site reanalyzes the data and comes up
with
(surprise, surprise) the death penalty being cheaper - but not a whole
lot
cheaper:
http://www.wesleylowe.com/cp.html#cost
You can bring back some of the original disparity by counting
the cost of cases where the death penalty was overturned
after multiple appeals.
Personally I don't give a damn about the cost. I'm not against the
death penalty per se, just the tendency to apply it to random
minorities who "confess" in back rooms. Here in Illinois, for
example, the death penalty was suspended after HALF the cases
on death row were overturned. Some, granted, were on legal
technicalities, but many were on the technicality of discovering
that someone else actually committed the crime. In at least one
famous case (google "Rolando Cruz"), prosecutors argued
passionately to *execute him anyway*, even after they had a
confession and a DNA match from another guy.
Given that lovely track record, I'm happy to "let these guys" off
with life in prison.
-jc
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| User: "Korbin Dallas" |
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| Title: Re: Anyone Still Against The Death Penealty? |
15 Dec 2005 03:07:39 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:45:47 -0800, Harlow V. A. Campbell wrote:
"Spindler of Kittens" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sz_nf.40055$D13.26048@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
You know, formatting prose as if it's poetry, doesn't make it poetry.
Besides, the last I heard, it somehow costs more to kill them, than to
keep them.
What's your cite? .......... moveon.org?
How about this, Killing is Killing - No Death Penalty, No Abortion.
--
Korbin Dallas
The name was changed to protect the guilty.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Anyone Still Against The Death Penealty? |
15 Dec 2005 05:03:19 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:07:39 GMT, Korbin Dallas
<korbindallas@null.org> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:45:47 -0800, Harlow V. A. Campbell wrote:
"Spindler of Kittens" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sz_nf.40055$D13.26048@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
You know, formatting prose as if it's poetry, doesn't make it poetry.
Besides, the last I heard, it somehow costs more to kill them, than to
keep them.
What's your cite? .......... moveon.org?
How about this, Killing is Killing - No Death Penalty, No Abortion.
No motor vehicles.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Anyone Still Against The Death Penealty? |
15 Dec 2005 03:18:55 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Harlow V. A. Campbell"
<harlowcampbell@gmail.com> posting the following on 15 Dec 2005
09:45:47 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
"Spindler of Kittens" <misleart@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:sz_nf.40055$D13.26048@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
You know, formatting prose as if it's poetry, doesn't make it poetry.
Besides, the last I heard, it somehow costs more to kill them, than to
keep them.
What's your cite? .......... moveon.org?
Try this site:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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