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18 Mar 2005 05:01:25 AM |
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apocolypse |
I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon the
"end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so many love to
say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem to relish in the
destrution of the world.
Why do these people need this? Is it that in accepting the alleged soon to
be realized destuction a way for them the cope with a world that they
cannot control?
Is it a sense of revenge that they are projecting? Is it way to cope with
the evil in the world that they are powerless against. Maybe it is they
they are complacent and really don't want to do anything positive because
it might be difficult?
The two big selling books that come to mind are "late great planet earth"
and the "left behind" series. Both are works of fiction although some
claim the former is not fiction but it is apparant that it is.
I still don't understand the fascination and the apparant desire for the
destruction of the world exhibited by the majority of xtians.
Can anyone explain this about xtians?
rj
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18 Mar 2005 07:53:26 AM |
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"rj" <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon the
"end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so many love
to
say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem to relish in the
destrution of the world.
Why do these people need this? Is it that in accepting the alleged soon
to
be realized destuction a way for them the cope with a world that they
cannot control?
Sexual urges they don't understand. End of the world would solve it.
--
The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an afleaist.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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19 Mar 2005 01:02:45 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:25 GMT, rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon the
"end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so many love to
say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem to relish in the
destrution of the world.
Why do these people need this? Is it that in accepting the alleged soon to
be realized destuction a way for them the cope with a world that they
cannot control?
Is it a sense of revenge that they are projecting? Is it way to cope with
the evil in the world that they are powerless against. Maybe it is they
they are complacent and really don't want to do anything positive because
it might be difficult?
The two big selling books that come to mind are "late great planet earth"
and the "left behind" series. Both are works of fiction although some
claim the former is not fiction but it is apparant that it is.
I still don't understand the fascination and the apparant desire for the
destruction of the world exhibited by the majority of xtians.
Can anyone explain this about xtians?
Yes, it is common human behavior. As soon as mankind learned to count,
they got this fetish for round numbers. Even the Romans had problems
with it.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:36:27 PM |
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rj wrote:
<Snip most of post>
Can anyone explain this about xtians?
Christianity is a death cult. All the things Christians look forward
to happen after death, or will happen come the Judgement. That being
the case, they want the Judgement to hurry up and get here.
Funny how none of them want to actually *die*, however.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Mar 2005 07:57:32 PM |
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On 23 Mar 2005 14:36:27 -0800, "skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net>
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rj wrote:
<Snip most of post>
Can anyone explain this about xtians?
Christianity is a death cult. All the things Christians look forward
to happen after death, or will happen come the Judgement. That being
the case, they want the Judgement to hurry up and get here.
Funny how none of them want to actually *die*, however.
Guilty consciouses and lack of belief in 'forgiveness.' Or, perhaps,
they *did* take note of what happened to 'Job." (eg)
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "wcb" |
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18 Mar 2005 09:54:57 AM |
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rj wrote:
I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon the
"end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so many love
to
say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem to relish in the
destrution of the world.
Why do these people need this? Is it that in accepting the alleged soon
to be realized destuction a way for them the cope with a world that they
cannot control?
Why do so many people fall in love with thing like
Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars or the Matrix?
Because its more interesting and meaningful than
one's hundrum, boring, stupid little lives.
And so it is with Apocalyptic Terror From the Skies.
Except the Trekkies know its fantasy. The End o' the Worlders
thinks it's real so its far more delicious than Matrix Fantasies.
No Jar Jar Binks either!
Its the same fantasy mind set is all.
You see this elsewhere.
Neo paganism, UFO nuts, far right political types,
creationists, take your pick.
Yes, the delicious warm feel of being an elite on
the winning side. "Little do these fools realize..."
And the pay off is big, "I go to heaven, my enemies burn
in hell for ever and ever and ever! Amen!"
Its a big, all life consuming game of Dungeons and
Dragons essentially. Yes, you can go to that hole in
the wall church and with your feollow apocalptics work
your selves up into a frenzy.
Or just kick back for a lazy afternoon of TV and reading
one of the left behind novels. Maybe Revelations.
Is it a sense of revenge that they are projecting? Is it way to cope with
the evil in the world that they are powerless against. Maybe it is they
they are complacent and really don't want to do anything positive because
it might be difficult?
Possibly a bit of both. You will find some who just become
fascinated by the concept. Like the Trekkie that owns every
CD and DVD having anything to do with Star Trek.
Most don't have that sort of completionist outlook.
Then there are the ones with the Klingon costumes in the closet.
Worn on weekends.
Likewise wit the christians you will have varying
degrees of fanboy ardor.
And one end, your Dukes, up the line a bit your Jason
Gasbags, at top your Jack van Impes, your Pat Roberstons.
To them, it is all positive. Nor is it powerlessness exactly,
not in this era of far right religious triumphalism in wake of
Bush's re-election.
For them, ranting and raving about the end o' the world IS
positive and useful. They are on the side of the Lord and
doing his work. And its fun, like one big sci-fi movie.
It panders to our sense of the grotesque and bizarre.
Which religion usually is. Sort of like Rock and Roll
band costumery. Its theater.
Its just some are more active than others. Some just buy
the DVDs, some put on the Star Trek conventions.
Its also no so different from the creationist nonsense.
These clowns are also battling the devil. But its more
hands on.
The two big selling books that come to mind are "late great planet earth"
and the "left behind" series. Both are works of fiction although some
claim the former is not fiction but it is apparant that it is.
Not that different from Van Daniken's nonsense, or before
him Velikosky, or the Leonardo Code nonsense that has the RCC
jumping up and down. Something to do.
Think ofal te delicious conspiracy nonese peole have
so loved over the years, flat earthers, Kennedy assasssination
buffs, UFO nuts, flouridationnuts, John Birchers, and other
cranks an loons out to Save The World.
I still don't understand the fascination and the apparant desire for the
destruction of the world exhibited by the majority of xtians.
Can anyone explain this about xtians?
Read what I posted and think about it. And observe
around you what is going on. Many people live roles.
Gangsta rapper. Matrix hero. One of God's army of
the saved battling the forces of darkness. One of
the intellectual elite warning an ignorant world
of the UFO threat.
This end of the world nonsense is jsut part of all of this.
Where does fantasy (Trekkies) start, and pseudoreality
(Apolcalytics) end?
Just think of them in terms of fan boys and a
lot becomes clearer.
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Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "georgann" |
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19 Mar 2005 03:44:16 PM |
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rj wrote:
I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon the
"end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so many love to
say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem to relish in the
destrution of the world.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only its not about the destruction of the world but the rebirth of the world
as permanently perfect (look up New Heaven and New Earth where the first
earth had passed away - i.e. Revelation).
Do you not see how a permanent perfect earth is very appealing?
--
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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19 Mar 2005 07:55:17 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:44:16 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Do you not see how a permanent perfect earth is very appealing?
Hogworth seems more perfect.
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| User: "rj" |
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20 Mar 2005 08:47:20 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BE62075F.5509D%chenault@mindspring.com:
rj wrote:
I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon
the "end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so many
love to say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem to
relish in the destrution of the world.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only its not about the destruction of the world but the rebirth of the
world as permanently perfect (look up New Heaven and New Earth where the
first earth had passed away - i.e. Revelation).
Do you not see how a permanent perfect earth is very appealing?
But we all know the entire universe is doomed. It has several billion
years and then it is dead one way of the other. It will either die in the
big crunch or the long cold whimper. The result is the same. Everything
is dead. With the big crunch it may start again with a big bang.
In the long whimper there will be no life, no stars, just a bunch of very
cold rocks drifting further apart from one another, getting colder and
colder.
Nothing can save us, it is all going to end one way or the other. Our
only hope is to somehow escape to another universe. If you think getting
off this planet is tough, it is kids play in comparison.
The earth will die long before the universe. Our sun will engulf the
planet as it turns into a red giant. Sunscreen will help in the same way
a facial tissue helps while falling into an active volcano.
The more I think abut it the more likely the entire universe is nothing
more than someone's high school experiment.
Have a nice eternity. You may have to bundle up a bit as it may get a
little chilly. Or you may need some sunscreen as it is going to get a bit
warm.
Of course time travel is an option but it has its own set of problems.
I wonder why Xtians don't embrace the real end of the universe? It really
would mess with the JWs idea of the afterlife as it is physical based.
rj
And that concludes this Sunday's service titled "Eternity - It isn't all
that it is cracked up to be"
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| User: "georgann" |
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21 Mar 2005 05:13:46 AM |
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rj wrote:
I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon the
"end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so many love to
say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem to relish in the
destrution of the world.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only its not about the destruction of the world but the rebirth of the world
as permanently perfect (look up New Heaven and New Earth where the first
earth had passed away - i.e. Revelation).
Do you not see how a permanent perfect earth is very appealing?
rj wrote:
But we all know the entire universe is doomed. It has several billion years
and then it is dead one way of the other. It will either die in the big
crunch or the long cold whimper. The result is the same. Everything is dead.
With the big crunch it may start again with a big bang.
In the long whimper there will be no life, no stars, just a bunch of very cold
rocks drifting further apart from one another, getting colder and colder.
Nothing can save us, it is all going to end one way or the other. Our only
hope is to somehow escape to another universe. If you think getting off this
planet is tough, it is kids play in comparison.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I wonder why non-Christians take such delight in imagining the non-existence
of the universe?
rj wrote:
The earth will die long before the universe. Our sun will engulf the planet
as it turns into a red giant. Sunscreen will help in the same way a facial
tissue helps while falling into an active volcano.
The more I think abut it the more likely the entire universe is nothing more
than someone's high school experiment.
Have a nice eternity. You may have to bundle up a bit as it may get a little
chilly. Or you may need some sunscreen as it is going to get a bit warm.
Of course time travel is an option but it has its own set of problems.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
rj wrote:
I wonder why Xtians don't embrace the real end of the universe? It really
would mess with the JWs idea of the afterlife as it is physical based. And
that concludes this Sunday's service titled "Eternity - It isn't all that it
is cracked up to be"
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Interesting you would point to the JWs as most likely to be disappointed.
But most Christian denominations don't have such specific teachings on what
eternal life will be like, at least not as specific as they.
But, not just to contradict, Christians do embrace the real end of the
universe (as we currently know it) because that means God will live with
man, and heaven will finally be "good".
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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| User: "rj" |
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21 Mar 2005 05:15:17 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:BE641699.5593E%chenault@mindspring.com:
rj wrote:
I have always wondered why so many Xtians feel the need to focus upon
the "end of the world". Even when I was a Xtian I wondered why so
many love to say that the end is coming soon. These xtians even seem
to relish in the destrution of the world.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only its not about the destruction of the world but the rebirth of the
world as permanently perfect (look up New Heaven and New Earth where
the first earth had passed away - i.e. Revelation).
Do you not see how a permanent perfect earth is very appealing?
rj wrote:
But we all know the entire universe is doomed. It has several billion
years and then it is dead one way of the other. It will either die in
the big crunch or the long cold whimper. The result is the same.
Everything is dead. With the big crunch it may start again with a big
bang.
In the long whimper there will be no life, no stars, just a bunch of
very cold rocks drifting further apart from one another, getting colder
and colder.
Nothing can save us, it is all going to end one way or the other. Our
only hope is to somehow escape to another universe. If you think
getting off this planet is tough, it is kids play in comparison.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
I wonder why non-Christians take such delight in imagining the
non-existence of the universe?
What are you talking about? I don't know of any reasonably intelligent
person that denies the existence of the universe. I take that back. I
don't know f anyone retard or not that denies the universe.
rj wrote:
The earth will die long before the universe. Our sun will engulf the
planet as it turns into a red giant. Sunscreen will help in the same
way a facial tissue helps while falling into an active volcano.
The more I think abut it the more likely the entire universe is nothing
more than someone's high school experiment.
Have a nice eternity. You may have to bundle up a bit as it may get a
little chilly. Or you may need some sunscreen as it is going to get a
bit warm.
Of course time travel is an option but it has its own set of problems.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
Sci-Fi? You think it is fiction? The problem with time travel is that it
is possible, just not practical and that has been proven over and over.
That is a fact, not fiction.
The earth will be engulfed by the sun as it expands to a red giant. That
is fact not fiction.
The universe will end. That is a fact not fiction.
Please do some reading. I would suggest you read Hawkings "Brief
History'. It might save you the embarrassment of demonstrating to
everyone around you that you are woefully ignorant.
God has nothing to do with it. The universe proves there is no God. Not
the omnipotent, all seeing, all knowing God described by people of nearly
all religions.
rj wrote:
I wonder why Xtians don't embrace the real end of the universe? It
really would mess with the JWs idea of the afterlife as it is physical
based. And that concludes this Sunday's service titled "Eternity - It
isn't all that it is cracked up to be"
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Interesting you would point to the JWs as most likely to be
disappointed. But most Christian denominations don't have such specific
teachings on what eternal life will be like, at least not as specific as
they.
True, but it would still be fun to see their their whole idea of the
afterlife vanish in a puff of logic and facts.
But, not just to contradict, Christians do embrace the real end of the
universe (as we currently know it) because that means God will live with
man, and heaven will finally be "good".
You can believe whatever you like, but the fact of the matter is that
either the universe turns into a very cold dead place, or it collapses to
a near singularity again. In either case the universe will cease to be a
place where anything lives. Imagine this. You are standing in the middle
of the desert. Not a single living thing for miles. Nothing grows, no
cacti, no insects, nothing. Then you shout out loud with your arms spread
wide "I am master of this place. I rule over everything I see!" Nice,
now you are master over a pile of hot dry sand that will kill everything
that stays there. You might as well be master of the planet called Pluto.
Dead, cold, and lifeless. What will god do for fun when the universe is
dead? Smash rocks together? That always keeps me entertained for
hours....not!
rj
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22 Mar 2005 06:10:59 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "georgann" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:42:08 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
Elroy Willis wrote:
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You speak as if God's resting (being at rest or ceasing His creative
process) is somehow stuck on halt. The New Heaven and New Earth in
Revelation denies that God will not complete / perfect His creation. That
pretty much takes into account your troubling over billions of years and
exploding suns. He already has a plan for that, meaning He either plans to
make use of it or He will cancel it out with what He has planned.
--
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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23 Mar 2005 07:28:47 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
Elroy Willis wrote:
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You speak as if God's resting (being at rest or ceasing His creative
process) is somehow stuck on halt. The New Heaven and New Earth in
Revelation denies that God will not complete / perfect His creation. That
pretty much takes into account your troubling over billions of years and
exploding suns. He already has a plan for that, meaning He either plans to
make use of it or He will cancel it out with what He has planned.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell us another story.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "rj" |
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23 Mar 2005 07:40:14 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BE66C03F.56535%chenault@mindspring.com...
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to
the supernatural power of God.
Elroy Willis wrote:
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You speak as if God's resting (being at rest or ceasing His creative
process) is somehow stuck on halt. The New Heaven and New Earth in
Revelation denies that God will not complete / perfect His creation.
That pretty much takes into account your troubling over billions of
years and exploding suns. He already has a plan for that, meaning He
either plans to make use of it or He will cancel it out with what He
has planned.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell us another story.
Have you heard the one about a guy named Noah who started the first zoo?
How about a guy named Moses that had a magic stick and who had an
invisible friend that killed children? How about the the story of the
carpenter's son that got killed because he was a trouble maker? How about
a woman that gave birth to a child even though she had never slept with a
man?
there's a million of them.
rj
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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25 Mar 2005 08:02:48 AM |
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rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
How about a woman that gave birth to a child even though she had
never slept with a man?
there's a million of them.
According to Catholic theology, Mary was a perfect virgin until the
day she died, even though she bore at least three children.
She squirted out at least three children, yet her hymen was still in
tact on the day she died. :)
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "rj" |
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25 Mar 2005 08:26:08 AM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
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rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
How about a woman that gave birth to a child even though she had
never slept with a man?
there's a million of them.
According to Catholic theology, Mary was a perfect virgin until the
day she died, even though she bore at least three children.
She squirted out at least three children, yet her hymen was still in
tact on the day she died. :)
In all my years as a catholic I had never heard that. Maybe because the
particular order that was teaching us did't get obsessive over Mary. Where
did you find that bit of info?
rj
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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25 Mar 2005 08:39:05 AM |
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rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
How about a woman that gave birth to a child even though she had
never slept with a man?
there's a million of them.
According to Catholic theology, Mary was a perfect virgin until the
day she died, even though she bore at least three children.
She squirted out at least three children, yet her hymen was still in
tact on the day she died. :)
In all my years as a catholic I had never heard that. Maybe because the
particular order that was teaching us did't get obsessive over Mary. Where
did you find that bit of info?
The on-line Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/
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Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "rj" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:20:07 AM |
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Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
news:if8841lubhf8sbanmr89e95dlqcoq5ru0m@4ax.com:
rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in
rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
How about a woman that gave birth to a child even though she had
never slept with a man?
there's a million of them.
According to Catholic theology, Mary was a perfect virgin until the
day she died, even though she bore at least three children.
She squirted out at least three children, yet her hymen was still in
tact on the day she died. :)
In all my years as a catholic I had never heard that. Maybe because
the particular order that was teaching us did't get obsessive over
Mary. Where did you find that bit of info?
The on-line Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/
Now I know why I didn't remember that bit about other children and
viginity. The RCC church denies that there were siblings of Jesus.
"... the "brothers of Jesus" are neither the sons of Mary, nor the brothers
of Our Lord in the proper sense of the word, but they are His cousins or
the more or less near relatives. [70] The Church insists that in His birth
the Son of God did not lessen but consecrate the virginal integrity of His
mother (Secret in Mass of Purification). The Fathers express themselves in
similar language concerning this privilege of Mary."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm
And people wonder why it was easy to deny Catholicism. How any rational
person could believe such nonsense is beyond me.
The church must have utter disdain for it's members. It will make up any
outlandish story and foist it on the people. Then if the people really
question the lies, it is time for the inquisition and we all know that no
one expects the inquisition.
rj
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:34:27 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
Elroy Willis wrote:
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You speak as if God's resting (being at rest or ceasing His creative
process) is somehow stuck on halt.
If your god is controlling the universe, then it's still doing a lot
of creating and destroying at the same time. I think this is where
polytheism works better, since it has a separate creator god and a
destroyer god. In monotheism, it seems that your god is like a little
kid in a sandbox who builds something then smashes it and starts over,
and over...
The New Heaven and New Earth in Revelation denies that God will not
complete / perfect His creation. That pretty much takes into account your
troubling over billions of years and exploding suns. He already has a
plan for that, meaning He either plans to make use of it or He will cancel
it out with what He has planned.
It doesn't trouble me because I'll be long dead by that time, and so
will everybody else.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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22 Mar 2005 09:33:43 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:10:59 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
--
MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:27:46 AM |
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MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
But it will toast the earth in the process.
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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23 Mar 2005 08:37:11 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:27:46 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
But it will toast the earth in the process.
By that time even the most unambitious theist will be bored in
whatever heaven they end up in.
--
MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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24 Mar 2005 07:35:07 AM |
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MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
But it will toast the earth in the process.
By that time even the most unambitious theist will be bored in
whatever heaven they end up in.
Even you?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Mar 2005 01:58:22 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:37:11 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:27:46 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
But it will toast the earth in the process.
By that time even the most unambitious theist will be bored in
whatever heaven they end up in.
Every theist will end up in the various hells of other superstitions.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Mar 2005 07:55:48 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:33:43 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:10:59 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
Watching reruns of 'Red Dwarf?' :)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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24 Mar 2005 06:17:23 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:55:48 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:33:43 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:10:59 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
Watching reruns of 'Red Dwarf?' :)
I don't like shows about Marxist midgets.
--
MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Mar 2005 01:59:24 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 04:17:23 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:55:48 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:33:43 -0800, MsAnthrope <ms@nthr.ope> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:10:59 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
You at least believe our only sun will blow up one day, don't you?
That's not sci-fi, that's a fact.
Well, it won't actually blow up but it will turn into a red giant
briefly before settling down to retirement as a white dwarf.
Watching reruns of 'Red Dwarf?' :)
I don't like shows about Marxist midgets.
You'll grow into it. :)))
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: apocolypse |
23 Mar 2005 09:54:43 AM |
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georgann wrote:
rj wrote:
[...]
Of course time travel i s an option but it has its own set of
problems.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
Posting this to alt.atheism is smoking gun proof,
if any were needed, that georgann is a troll. Moreover,
a thick and obvious troll.
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| User: "rj" |
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| Title: Re: apocolypse |
23 Mar 2005 04:33:02 PM |
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"Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote in news:1111593283.724497.162100
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
georgann wrote:
rj wrote:
[...]
Of course time travel i s an option but it has its own set of
problems.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Waay too much SciFi in there and not enough credit being given to the
supernatural power of God.
Posting this to alt.atheism is smoking gun proof,
if any were needed, that georgann is a troll. Moreover,
a thick and obvious troll.
I am not so sure she is a troll, but she certainly is uneducated and
ignorant of facts. Stupid is forever, but there is a cure for ignorance.
There are so many holes in her statement, it is sad.
Her definition of fiction is positively ludicrous.
rj
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: apocolypse |
22 Mar 2005 06:08:45 PM |
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rj <rj@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I wonder why Xtians don't embrace the real end of the universe?
Because it'd make their god look like a failure?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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