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"Bill Baker" |
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28 Apr 2004 03:48:03 AM |
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Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
By KENNETH OFGANG, Staff Writer/Appellate Courts
An evangelical Christian who was fired from her job for harassing a
gay employee was not discriminated against on the basis of religion,
the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled yesterday.
Evelyn Bodett's admitted statements to a female subordinate, the court
held, supported Cox Communications' assertion that it fired Bodett for
violating its anti-harassment policy rather than because of her
religious beliefs.
Bodett worked for Cox's Phoenix operation, and for its predecessor,
American Cable, for 18 years. Her treatment of subordinate Kelley
Carson came under scrutiny after Carson accepted a transfer to the
company's Omaha affiliate.
Bodett's superior, a company vice president who knew that Carson had
previously complained to another employee about Bodett's comments,
asked Carson to lunch and inquired why she was leaving. Carson said it
was because she was disturbed with how Bodett treated her sexuality.
Not only had Bodett made disapproving comments on multiple occasions,
Carson reported, she had persuaded Carson to attend church with her on
one occasion and to attend a religious conference.
Carson said she had not complained, the vice president, Mireille
DeBryucker, later testified, because "Bodett was her boss and she
could not afford to lose her job."
DeBryucker then took the matter up with other executives, who agreed
that if Bodett actually did what Carson alleged, she had violated the
anti-harassment policy and should be fired. At a meeting with
DeBryucker and the company's human resources manager, Bodett admitted
the truth of Carson's charges but said "sometimes there is a higher
calling than a company policy."
Bodett was promptly terminated for "gross violation" of company
policy. After complaining to the Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission, she received a right-to-sue letter and brought an action
in the U.S. District Court for the District of Arizona alleging that
her termination violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as
well as the Arizona Civil Rights Act and Arizona Employment Protection
Act, and that she was subjected to intentional infliction of emotional
distress.
In her deposition, Bodett acknowledged telling Carson that
homosexuality is a sin, that the turmoil in Carson's personal
life--she had broken up with her partner and was having difficulty
paying her bills--was a result of her gay lifestyle, and that Bodett
would be "disappointed" if her employee were dating another woman.
But Bodett argued that her comments did not constitute harassment, and
that the lack of progressive discipline--which was permitted but not
required by the policy--indicated that the firing was pretextual.
U.S. Magistrate Judge David K. Duncan of the District of Arizona
disagreed and granted the company's motion for summary judgment.
Judge Michael Daly Hawkins, writing for the Ninth Circuit, said the
magistrate judge was correct.
Bodett, he said, failed to carry her burden of showing an inference of
disparate treatment. Nor, Hawkins said, did the plaintiff show that
the stated reason for her firing was pretextual.
"...Bodett's admitted behavior, taken in isolation of any evidence or
argument by Cox, is sufficient to support a reasonable conclusion that
Bodett harassed Carson," Hawkins wrote. Not only did the plaintiff
confirm Carson's account of their interactions, the appellate jurist
noted, she admitted realizing that Carson was uncomfortable with her
comments and acknowledged she may have violated company policy.
Hawkins went on to conclude that Cox was entitled to summary judgment
on the state law claims, noting that Arizona interprets its civil
rights act as being generally identical to federal law. And because
there was no breach of written contract or statutory violation, there
could be no wrongful discharge as a matter of Arizona law, the judge
said.
As for the intentional infliction of emotional distress claim, Hawkins
noted that Arizona sets a high bar for such allegations, and that a
claim of workplace misconduct, even if false, will not necessarily
qualify.
Nor, in this case, was Cox's conduct outrageous even if, as Bodett
claims, she was accused of having performed an "exorcism."
The allegation apparently relates to an incident, which Bodett
admitted occurred, in which Bodett closed the door and the two women
prayed together. Carson referred to this as the time Bodett "made me
born again."
Hawkins commented:
"Whether the difference in making someone 'born again' and performing
an 'exorcism' on them is so extreme as to 'go beyond all possible
bounds of decency' is doubtful."
Senior Judge Ferdinand F. Fernandez and Judge Sidney Thomas joined in
the opinion.
The case is Bodett v. CoxCom, Inc., 03-15112.
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Funny Lurlean quote #62:
"The DaVinci Code was written by the devil!" --Lurlean reveals
secrets from her summer job at "Prentice Hell."
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30 Apr 2004 08:49:13 AM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
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01 May 2004 11:46:12 PM |
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
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http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
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02 May 2004 09:57:29 AM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
AND
Are you saying that "gay" is a religion.
Interesting.
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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02 May 2004 03:09:29 PM |
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
The ninth circuit didn't write the news story.
What is the "true story", since you seem to know exactly what it is. I
assume that you must have access to what "really" happened or you wouldn't
be claiming that the ninth circuit ruled incorrectly here.
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| User: "Icono" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 09:29:43 PM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40955579_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
The ninth circuit didn't write the news story.
What is the "true story",
Do you understand "WE DON'T KNOW"?
Do you speak English?
Are you retarded?
What we know is that it was the ninth. They are almost ALWAYS wrong. THUS
"suspect".
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
03 May 2004 02:02:48 AM |
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40955579_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
The ninth circuit didn't write the news story.
What is the "true story",
Do you understand "WE DON'T KNOW"?
Do you speak English?
Are you retarded?
What we know is that it was the ninth. They are almost ALWAYS wrong. THUS
"suspect".
You said that they were wrong. You did not say "they are probably wrong".
You said that this ruling was "wrong". Your exact words were: "Proof
positive of a wrong finding." This means that you are claiming knowledge
of the true facts of the case, because you could not otherwise claim that
the ruling was "wrong" without speaking from pure ignorance.
Were you lying before, or were you just speaking without considering the
full implication of your statement?
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d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 03:10:13 PM |
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
AND
Are you saying that "gay" is a religion.
Interesting.
I never said that "gay" is a religion. You are a liar.
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Contact and express your disapproval over the
cancellation of Sam & Max: Freelance Police!(http://www.savesamandmax.com/)
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "Icono" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 09:32:41 PM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:409555a5$1_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
AND
Are you saying that "gay" is a religion.
Interesting.
I never said that "gay" is a religion. You are a liar.
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"Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says"
Are you saying it WAS religious discrimination?
Are you saying "gay" is a religion?
Interesting
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
03 May 2004 02:00:48 AM |
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:409555a5$1_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
AND
Are you saying that "gay" is a religion.
Interesting.
I never said that "gay" is a religion. You are a liar.
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"Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says"
Are you saying it WAS religious discrimination?
No. There was no religious discrimination. The plaintiff argued that she
had been the victim of religious discrimination because she believed that
the Civil Rights Act prohibited her employer from forbidding
religiously-motivated harassment in the workplace. The Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals disagreed, and stated that there was no religious
discrimination: the woman was fired because she was harassing a co-worker.
I agree with their ruling.
I don't know where the hell you're getting the idea that I said that "gay"
is a religion.
Are you saying "gay" is a religion?
Interesting
Once again, I have never said that "gay" is a religion, and you are a liar
for claiming as much.
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Contact and express your disapproval over the
cancellation of Sam & Max: Freelance Police!(http://www.savesamandmax.com/)
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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02 May 2004 10:19:58 AM |
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On Sun, 2 May 2004 07:57:29 -0700, "Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
We / you do not know the true story. The ninth is always suspect.
Only in the imagination of the loonies who want to
AND
Are you saying that "gay" is a religion.
Interesting.
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 07:37:36 AM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not have
been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of life.
You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 03:15:32 PM |
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"Gomez Addams" <yourmomma@dressesyou.funny> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not have
been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of life.
You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
So you're saying that the Ninth Circuit was not justified in ruling that
employers are allowed to prohibit harassment in the workplace?
Are you saying that harassment is legally protected behaviour, and that
employers do not have the right to fire employees who harass other
workers?
Or are you trying to change the subject because you can't defend the idiot
who lost her job because of her psychotic behaviour but you just can't
bring yourself to admit that she was in the wrong?
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Contact and express your disapproval over the
cancellation of Sam & Max: Freelance Police!(http://www.savesamandmax.com/)
d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| User: "Icono" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 09:24:27 PM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
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"Gomez Addams" <yourmomma@dressesyou.funny> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have
been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of life.
You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
So you're saying that the Ninth Circuit was not justified in ruling that
employers are allowed to prohibit harassment in the workplace?
When the ninth passes judgment as they did in this case, there is room for
disbelief. They are usually wrong. We don't know all the facts.
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| User: "Keenan Clay Wilkie" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
03 May 2004 02:05:11 AM |
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:409556e4$1_1@news.iglou.com...
"Gomez Addams" <yourmomma@dressesyou.funny> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit
Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have
been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of life.
You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
So you're saying that the Ninth Circuit was not justified in ruling that
employers are allowed to prohibit harassment in the workplace?
When the ninth passes judgment as they did in this case, there is room for
disbelief. They are usually wrong. We don't know all the facts.
You said "proof positive of a wrong ruling". Are you now saying that
there is a chance that they ruled correctly?
What is the basis for your criticism of the Ninth Circuit anyway. Be
specific. Just shouting, "They're always wrong!" doesn't prove anything
at all.
--
See the documented lies of Pastor Frank: http://tinyurl.com/6009
Contact and express your disapproval over the
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d a r k s t a r @ i g l o u . c o m | atheist #29
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 04:53:25 PM |
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Keenan Clay Wilkie wrote:
"Gomez Addams" <yourmomma@dressesyou.funny> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
So you're saying that the Ninth Circuit was not justified in ruling
that employers are allowed to prohibit harassment in the workplace?
Are you saying that harassment is legally protected behaviour, and
that employers do not have the right to fire employees who harass
other workers?
Or are you trying to change the subject because you can't defend the
idiot who lost her job because of her psychotic behaviour but you
just can't bring yourself to admit that she was in the wrong?
I think the last question is the right one. Don't know if the idiot is
a psychotic - but she certainly would qualify as a fanatic.
Pang
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| User: "Icono" |
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02 May 2004 09:27:14 PM |
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"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
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Keenan Clay Wilkie wrote:
"Gomez Addams" <yourmomma@dressesyou.funny> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
So you're saying that the Ninth Circuit was not justified in ruling
that employers are allowed to prohibit harassment in the workplace?
Are you saying that harassment is legally protected behaviour, and
that employers do not have the right to fire employees who harass
other workers?
Or are you trying to change the subject because you can't defend the
idiot who lost her job because of her psychotic behaviour but you
just can't bring yourself to admit that she was in the wrong?
I think the last question is the right one. Don't know if the idiot is
a psychotic - but she certainly would qualify as a fanatic.
Pang
The problem is whether we know what she really did.
If (big if) she did what the article states, she belongs in an institution
or jail.
We will only know if it is carried to the Supreme court or another court.
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03 May 2004 02:03:46 AM |
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
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Keenan Clay Wilkie wrote:
"Gomez Addams" <yourmomma@dressesyou.funny> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
So you're saying that the Ninth Circuit was not justified in ruling
that employers are allowed to prohibit harassment in the workplace?
Are you saying that harassment is legally protected behaviour, and
that employers do not have the right to fire employees who harass
other workers?
Or are you trying to change the subject because you can't defend the
idiot who lost her job because of her psychotic behaviour but you
just can't bring yourself to admit that she was in the wrong?
I think the last question is the right one. Don't know if the idiot is
a psychotic - but she certainly would qualify as a fanatic.
Pang
The problem is whether we know what she really did.
Well, there is the fact that she is quoted as admitting to what Cox said
was the basis of her termination. She flat-out stated that company policy
was irrelevant in the face of her religious beliefs.
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03 May 2004 09:00:03 AM |
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"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
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"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:p5elc.23021$Xj6.386720@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Keenan Clay Wilkie wrote:
"Gomez Addams" <yourmomma@dressesyou.funny> writes:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:b79603c7.0404280048.24585062@posting.google.com...
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2004/bode042704.htm
Firing Employee for Anti-Gay Harassment Was Not Religious
Discrimination, Ninth Circuit Says
Ninth circuit Proof positive of a wrong finding.
This is regardless of what is printed in papers.
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
So you're saying that the Ninth Circuit was not justified in ruling
that employers are allowed to prohibit harassment in the workplace?
Are you saying that harassment is legally protected behaviour, and
that employers do not have the right to fire employees who harass
other workers?
Or are you trying to change the subject because you can't defend the
idiot who lost her job because of her psychotic behaviour but you
just can't bring yourself to admit that she was in the wrong?
I think the last question is the right one. Don't know if the idiot is
a psychotic - but she certainly would qualify as a fanatic.
Pang
The problem is whether we know what she really did.
Well, there is the fact that she is quoted as admitting to what Cox said
was the basis of her termination. She flat-out stated that company policy
was irrelevant in the face of her religious beliefs.
As I have repeated, I agree with the sentiment. If I were the manager /
director, what allegedly occurred would NEVER have gone as far as is stated.
I am always suspect of what the ninth does. I am even more suspect of any
news publication.
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02 May 2004 08:06:41 AM |
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Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist beginning at
the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to bully and how to deal
with a bully.
Bullying/harassment is violence - not physical but emotional and
psychological. And it is DAMAGING! Bullies often grow up to become
violent and abusive individuals - whether they are male or female. The
chronic targets of bullying/harassment grow up as damaged individuals.
This summer I will be preparing lessons to take to my county's schools
in the fall -
and at least one of the lessons will cover bullying.
Bullying/harassment is VIOLENCE.
Pangur
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| User: "Icono" |
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02 May 2004 09:59:10 AM |
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"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
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Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist beginning at
the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to bully and how to deal
with a bully.
This teaching MUST be the reason that bullying is worse than ever. Thank
you for the insight.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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02 May 2004 10:56:36 AM |
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Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may
not have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a
fact of life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!!
LOL!!!
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist beginning
at the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to bully and how to
deal with a bully.
This teaching MUST be the reason that bullying is worse than ever.
Thank you for the insight.
Nope - the teaching is in RESPONSE to the bullying. So little material
to teach against bullying exists, I am creating my own.
Pangur
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| User: "Icono" |
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02 May 2004 09:17:55 PM |
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"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
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Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may
not have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a
fact of life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!!
LOL!!!
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist beginning
at the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to bully and how to
deal with a bully.
This teaching MUST be the reason that bullying is worse than ever.
Thank you for the insight.
Nope - the teaching is in RESPONSE to the bullying. So little material
to teach against bullying exists, I am creating my own.
Pangur
Schools create the mess we have in schools. Yes, there are other
contributing factors but "government" AKA "socialist / liberal" schools are
the primary reason for the problem. It is NOT the children. Teach the
teachers and leaders, not the children.
Children are young human animals.
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02 May 2004 11:05:57 PM |
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Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
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Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in
message news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist
beginning at the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to
bully and how to deal with a bully.
This teaching MUST be the reason that bullying is worse than
ever. Thank you for the insight.
Nope - the teaching is in RESPONSE to the bullying. So little
material to teach against bullying exists, I am creating my own.
Pangur
Schools create the mess we have in schools. Yes, there are other
contributing factors but "government" AKA "socialist / liberal"
schools are the primary reason for the problem. It is NOT the
children. Teach the teachers and leaders, not the children.
If the parents were teaching the children morals , it would not be up to the
schools (and me) to teach moral behaviors. Parents are allowing and, in
some cases, encouraging bullying behavior.
The schools have been forced to teach everything from basic hygiene to
moral behavior.
The schools teach against drug use - and the kids go home to parents who
are using. The schools teach non-violence and the kids go home to
violence. The schools teach not to lie, steal, or cheat, and the kids
go home to watch their parents do all three.
Pangur
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| User: "Icono" |
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03 May 2004 08:54:08 AM |
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"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Fyjlc.24640$Xj6.419863@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:US8lc.11378$Ut1.345813@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in
message news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist
beginning at the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to
bully and how to deal with a bully.
This teaching MUST be the reason that bullying is worse than
ever. Thank you for the insight.
Nope - the teaching is in RESPONSE to the bullying. So little
material to teach against bullying exists, I am creating my own.
Pangur
Schools create the mess we have in schools. Yes, there are other
contributing factors but "government" AKA "socialist / liberal"
schools are the primary reason for the problem. It is NOT the
children. Teach the teachers and leaders, not the children.
If the parents were teaching the children morals , it would not be up to
the
schools (and me) to teach moral behaviors. Parents are allowing and, in
some cases, encouraging bullying behavior.
Absolutely correct.
The schools have been forced to teach everything from basic hygiene to
moral behavior.
Basic hygiene can be taught but while in school would need to be enforced.
Moral behavior is ONLY taught by enforcement of certain behavioral rules in
school.
The schools teach against drug use - and the kids go home to parents who
are using. The schools teach non-violence and the kids go home to
violence. The schools teach not to lie, steal, or cheat, and the kids
go home to watch their parents do all three.
Schools are NOT for morals teaching.
Morals are tantamount to religion.
Schools are for tangible education and should have behavior RULES for those
attending.
You made my point, precisely.
Pangur
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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03 May 2004 07:39:06 PM |
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Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Fyjlc.24640$Xj6.419863@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:US8lc.11378$Ut1.345813@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Icono wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in
message news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist
beginning at the kindergarten level to teach children NOT
to bully and how to deal with a bully.
This teaching MUST be the reason that bullying is worse than
ever. Thank you for the insight.
Nope - the teaching is in RESPONSE to the bullying. So little
material to teach against bullying exists, I am creating my
own.
Pangur
Schools create the mess we have in schools. Yes, there are other
contributing factors but "government" AKA "socialist / liberal"
schools are the primary reason for the problem. It is NOT the
children. Teach the teachers and leaders, not the children.
If the parents were teaching the children morals , it would not be
up to
the
schools (and me) to teach moral behaviors. Parents are allowing
and, in some cases, encouraging bullying behavior.
Absolutely correct.
The schools have been forced to teach everything from basic hygiene
to moral behavior.
Basic hygiene can be taught but while in school would need to be
enforced. Moral behavior is ONLY taught by enforcement of certain
behavioral rules in school.
The schools teach against drug use - and the kids go home to
parents who are using. The schools teach non-violence and the kids
go home to violence. The schools teach not to lie, steal, or
cheat, and the kids go home to watch their parents do all three.
Schools are NOT for morals teaching. Morals are tantamount to
religion.
The things I mentioned were school related; I did not make that clear -
sorry. The school where I taught did have rules against lying - if a
student was honest about whatever the situation was, the punishment was
lighter. Stealing can be a terrible problem in schools - especially at
Christmas time - the schools have to teach against this for the
protection of all students. Cheating is also a problem - and my
college-bound students were the worst. GPA was all - and they wanted to
get the grade any way possible.
BTW, I took early retirement as I found I could no longer be a teacher -
I was forced to be a warden, a social worker, a counselor, a referee, a
hygienist, a cop, etc.
Schools are for tangible education and should have behavior RULES for
those attending.
You made my point, precisely.
Uh, I wasn't particularly disagreeing with you. I am pleased I made the
point precisely. Also I might add that the worst problem when a student
was in difficulties of any kind were the parents. One time I was
literally holding a student upright in a chair (drug use), and the
mother standing in front of both of us denied her son did drugs. Gave
an F (for cheating and I had the proof in black and white) and the
parents landed on me like a pair of outraged hornets. Another time I
went into a gang situation and protected one of my freshman boys - I was
grabbed by a "student" in front of some 200 kids and prevented from
doing my duty. I wanted him charged - and my principal tried to
dissuade me on the ground of bad publicity and what would the parents
say. I sued anyway.
Pangur
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04 May 2004 07:08:00 PM |
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On Tue, 04 May 2004 00:39:06 GMT, Pangur Ban
<Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote:
BTW, I took early retirement as I found I could no longer be a teacher -
I was forced to be a warden, a social worker, a counselor, a referee, a
hygienist, a cop, etc.
My father is a high school teacher and is considered by his
students to be one of the best at the school. However, he is eligible
to retire this year and keeps saying he will. He loves teaching, but
is getting burnt out by the extra requirements that are getting piled
on him.
I wanted him charged - and my principal tried to
dissuade me on the ground of bad publicity and what would the parents
say. I sued anyway.
Did you win?
Bard Kesnit
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02 May 2004 10:20:28 AM |
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On Sun, 2 May 2004 07:59:10 -0700, "Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> wrote:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist beginning at
the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to bully and how to deal
with a bully.
This teaching MUST be the reason that bullying is worse than ever. Thank
you for the insight.
Look up "non-sequitur", moron.
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: Appellate court upholds firing of homophobic bigot |
02 May 2004 11:48:32 AM |
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In article <Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote:
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
"Icono" <iconoclst@home.com> writes:
So harassing co-workers is perfectly acceptable behaviour?
It has ocurred at every place I have ever worked. The issue may not
have been (usually wasn't!) sexuality, but harassment is a fact of
life. You have obviously never been a schoolteacher!!! LOL!!!
In the schools it is called bullying - and programs exist beginning at
the kindergarten level to teach children NOT to bully and how to deal
with a bully.
Bullying/harassment is violence - not physical but emotional and
psychological.
That's non-sensical. Violence by its very nature is physical. That other
stuff may be abuse but it's not violence.
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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02 May 2004 02:39:31 PM |
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BTR1701 wrote:
In article
<Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Pangur
Ban <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote:
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
Bullying/harassment is violence - not physical but emotional and
psychological.
That's non-sensical. Violence by its very nature is physical. That
other stuff may be abuse but it's not violence.
I work for my county's Domestic Violence Center. Violence
is not just physical - it is emotional, psychological, financial,
sexual, and
spiritual.
From the dictionary:
vi·o·lence
n.
1. Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or
abusing: crimes of violence.
2. The act or an instance of violent action or behavior.
3. Intensity or severity, as in natural phenomena; untamed force: the
violence of a tornado.
4. Abusive or unjust exercise of power.
Bullying is violence in the sense of meaning number four.
My job is to educate the county - and people like you - that certain
behaviors ARE violence. Somehow folks seems to think that "abuse" is
not as harmful to individuals as (physical) violence, but it is.
As a survivor of childhood domestic violence (growing up in a home where
the violence directed at me was emotional, psychological, physical, and
sexual), please don't try to tell me that I did not grow up in violence.
I can also tell you that the physical violence was not nearly as
damaging to me as the emotional, psychological, and sexual violence.
Bullying is VIOLENCE - and the damage done by it to the victims can last
a lifetime unlike bruises, cuts, burns, and broken bones all of which heal.
If you want to know anything else, or have questions, ask. I will tell
you - as I do when asked when speaking to teens and adults - with
honestly and bluntness.
Pangur - a survivor and proud of it
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02 May 2004 09:20:07 PM |
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"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:T7clc.22434$Xj6.374364@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
BTR1701 wrote:
In article
<Bn6lc.20697$Xj6.342465@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Pangur
Ban <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote:
Gomez Addams wrote:
"Keenan Clay Wilkie" <darkstar@shell1.iglou.com> wrote in message
news:40947d14_1@news.iglou.com...
Bullying/harassment is violence - not physical but emotional and
psychological.
That's non-sensical. Violence by its very nature is physical. That
other stuff may be abuse but it's not violence.
I work for my county's Domestic Violence Center. Violence
is not just physical - it is emotional, psychological, financial,
sexual, and
spiritual.
From the dictionary:
Here we go with the "government" nonsense.
Anything to pay some loony bucks and then say "We are fixing the problem".
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