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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Pastor Dave"
Date:	26 Aug 2005 08:30:37 PM
Object:	Are the Atheists Right?

Are the Atheists Right?
The atheists...
They love to tell you how Christianity has taken
more lives than anything else. This is NOT TRUE!
1) It is not "Christian" to murder people because
they do not believe in Christ as Savior.
2) Stop looking at what fallible man does and then
turn around and blame Christianity. Man killing people
and doing it in the name of Christ, does not mean that
there is a problem with Christianity. It means that
there is a problem with man.
The atheists, who are and have to be evolutionists,
love to ask the following question...
"If there's a God, how come there is so many bad things
happening in the world?". If you want to know the
answer to that, why don't you look in the mirror? Man
loves to do evil and then blame God for the results!
Here is the whole issue, summed up, because you see,
the atheist actually likes to ask a question that has a
"no win" situation. Let me explain...
1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do,
that is called "free will" and the atheist complains.
Yet, if God stopped all evil from happening, then man
(if he could), would point his finger at God and say,
"If you loved me, you would let me make my own
decisions and learn from my own mistakes!".
2) If God allows man to make his own decisions
and his own mistakes, man points at God and says,
"If you really are God, how can you allow all of this
evil to exist?!".
You see what I mean? The atheist asks a rigged
question and tries to stack the deck. Thus, his/her
question is not honest to begin with.
As far as Creation and evolution, they love to say
the following...
"Creation is NOT science and no REAL scientist
believes in Creation! It does not offer any
testable theory!"
They also love to compare it to gravity, yet,
Sir Isaac Newton was a six day Creationist!
They also love to say that if you don't believe
in evolution as a scientific fact, how do you
explain using your computer, which is based
on evolutionary science?
Huh?! That isn't anywhere NEAR being true!
It is NOT based on "evolutionary science",
nor is science even evolution.
In fact, the inventors of computer science
and electronics, were six day Creationists!
The next time someone tells you that "Creation
scientists are not real scientists", you provide
them with this message, which shows that not
only was the founder of the scientific method
a creationist, but many of the branches of
science, were invented by creationists, who
all believed in a literal six day creation. To deny
evolution is not to deny God, nor nature, nor
science. In fact, to deny evolution, is to uphold
science, the truth of God and the nature that
God created. And the greatest scientists in
the world knew that. In fact, the greatest
scientific philosopher of all time, Dr. Karl Popper,
said that evolution is not a law, nor a theory
and that it doesn't even rise to the level of an
hypothesis. He said it is nothing more than a
metaphysical research program.
Here is some information, for those who are
interested in THE TRUTH...
From: The Root of the Problem - Dr. James Kennedy
WHAT IS TRUE?
Let us take a little deeper look. First of all, who
invented science? It was Francis Bacon, who is
credited with having been the inventor of the
scientific method, that combination of induction
and deduction, of hypothesis and proof (empirical
proof). Bacon was a devout Christian. He believed
in God. He believed in Christ, he believed in the
Bible, and he believed in Creation. He said that
God had given us two books. He has given us
the book of nature to understand the world, and
the book of Scriptures-and we are to read both
of them, said the founder of science. Wasn't a
Christian? Hardly.
Who was the greatest scientist that ever lived?
A poll taken of scientists just a few years ago
concluded that the greatest scientist that ever
lived was Sir Isaac Newton. If you read a list of
the things that he discovered, it is awesome.
The mathematical laws of gravity are just one
piece of that huge puzzle from this gigantic intellect.
He was, also, among other things, the co-discoverer
of calculus. Sir Isaac Newton. Newton believed in
God, he believed in Christ, he believed in the Bible,
and he believed in creation. To the utter chagrin
of modern evolutionary scientists, he wrote more
books on theology than he did on science. He still
became the greatest scientist that has ever lived,
according to them.
CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS
If the scientific method was invented by a Christian
and the greatest scientist that ever lived was a
Christian, what about the people that gave us all
of the various branches of science? Who were they?
Let me tell you about them. They were all men that
believed in God, believed in Christ, believed in the
Bible, and believed in creation. Not an evolutionist
among them. Who were they:
The inventor of Antiseptic Surgery was Joseph Lister,
who was all of the above.
Bacteriology - Louis Pasteur - all of the above.
Calculus - Sir Isaac Newton, as I've said.
Celestial Mechanics - Johann Kepler, who said that
science was thinking God's thoughts after Him.
Chemistry - Robert Boyle, who left a large sum of
money in his will that a series of lectures should
be taught in his university in England defending
the Christian faith. An unbeliever? Hardly.
Comparative Anatomy - Georges Cuvier.
Computer Science - Charles Babbage.
Dimensional Analysis - Lord Rayleigh.
Dynamics - Isaac Newton.
Electrodynamics - James Clerk Maxwell.
Electromagnetics - Michael Faraday, who had
about twenty-two honorary doctorates. He was
being given a huge award by the king at a banquet
on a Wednesday night. After the banquet, the
people talked for a while, and then he was called
up to receive his award, and they found that he had
slipped out to go to prayer meeting. That is what
you would have done, isn't it? After all, what is an
award from the king compared to worshiping God.
Electronics - Ambrose Fleming.
Energetics - Lord Kelvin, a great Christian.
Entomology of Living Insects - Henri Fabre.
Field Theory - Michael Faraday.
Fluid Mechanics - George Stokes.
Galactic Astronomy - William Herschel.
Gas Dynamcs - Robert Boyle.
Genetics - Gregor Mendel.
Glacial Geology - Louis Agassiz of Harvard,
a great Christian man.
Gynecology - James Simpson
Hydraulics - Leonardo da Vinci
Hydrography - Matthew Maury
Hydrostatics - Blaise Pascal.
Ichthyology - Louis Agassiz.
Isotopic Chemistry - William Ramsay.
Model Analysis - Lord Rayleigh.
Natural History - John Ray.
Non-Euclidean Geometry - Bernhard Riemann.
Oceanography - Matthew Maury.
Optical Mineralogy - David Brewster.
Paleontology - John Woodward.
Pathology - Rudolph Virchow.
Physical Astronomy - Johann Kepler.
Reversible Thermodynamics - James Joule.
Statistical Thermodynamics - James Clerk Maxwell.
Stratigraphy - Nicholas Steno.
Systematic Biology - Carolus Linnaeus.
Thermodynamics - Lord Kelvin.
Thermokinetics - Humphrey Davy.
Vertebrate Paleontology - George Cuvier.
They were Christians, all believers in creation.
We actually had an evolutionist in a debate
here many years ago who made this astounding
statement: "Creation is not scientific, and therefore,
anyone who believes in creation is not a scientist."
How's that again? He had better go back and
read a little of his own history to find out if that
is true.
--
Pastor Dave
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
"The mark of a society that's on its last leg, is when
there is no fear of God." - Adrian Rogers
"Theology and ethics are inextricably bound together.
Yet under the supposed banner of unity, we have
harbored enemy ships - as long as they flew our flag.
That policy must change. Tolerating enemies of the
historic Christian faith as though they were our
brethren is not love, but adultery. The substance
of the faith is the only basis for unity."
- The Agony of Deceit, p23
.

User: "Peacenik"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 07:04:18 AM

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Tell that to the victims of Tomas de Torquemada.
.

User: "The other Donald"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	26 Aug 2005 09:16:50 PM

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Are the Atheists Right?

Yup.
Next question....
.

User: "I dont believe in atheists"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 04:04:34 AM

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Are the Atheists Right?

The atheists...

They love to tell you how Christianity has taken
more lives than anything else. This is NOT TRUE!

1) It is not "Christian" to murder people because
they do not believe in Christ as Savior.

2) Stop looking at what fallible man does and then
turn around and blame Christianity. Man killing people
and doing it in the name of Christ, does not mean that
there is a problem with Christianity. It means that
there is a problem with man.

The atheists, who are and have to be evolutionists,
love to ask the following question...

"If there's a God, how come there is so many bad things
happening in the world?". If you want to know the
answer to that, why don't you look in the mirror? Man
loves to do evil and then blame God for the results!
Here is the whole issue, summed up, because you see,
the atheist actually likes to ask a question that has a
"no win" situation. Let me explain...

1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do,
that is called "free will" and the atheist complains.
Yet, if God stopped all evil from happening, then man
(if he could), would point his finger at God and say,
"If you loved me, you would let me make my own
decisions and learn from my own mistakes!".

2) If God allows man to make his own decisions
and his own mistakes, man points at God and says,
"If you really are God, how can you allow all of this
evil to exist?!".

You see what I mean? The atheist asks a rigged
question and tries to stack the deck. Thus, his/her
question is not honest to begin with.

As far as Creation and evolution, they love to say
the following...

"Creation is NOT science and no REAL scientist
believes in Creation! It does not offer any
testable theory!"

They also love to compare it to gravity, yet,
Sir Isaac Newton was a six day Creationist!

They also love to say that if you don't believe
in evolution as a scientific fact, how do you
explain using your computer, which is based
on evolutionary science?

Huh?! That isn't anywhere NEAR being true!
It is NOT based on "evolutionary science",
nor is science even evolution.

In fact, the inventors of computer science
and electronics, were six day Creationists!

The next time someone tells you that "Creation
scientists are not real scientists", you provide
them with this message, which shows that not
only was the founder of the scientific method
a creationist, but many of the branches of
science, were invented by creationists, who
all believed in a literal six day creation. To deny
evolution is not to deny God, nor nature, nor
science. In fact, to deny evolution, is to uphold
science, the truth of God and the nature that
God created. And the greatest scientists in
the world knew that. In fact, the greatest
scientific philosopher of all time, Dr. Karl Popper,
said that evolution is not a law, nor a theory
and that it doesn't even rise to the level of an
hypothesis. He said it is nothing more than a
metaphysical research program.

Here is some information, for those who are
interested in THE TRUTH...

From: The Root of the Problem - Dr. James Kennedy

WHAT IS TRUE?

Let us take a little deeper look. First of all, who
invented science? It was Francis Bacon, who is
credited with having been the inventor of the
scientific method, that combination of induction
and deduction, of hypothesis and proof (empirical
proof). Bacon was a devout Christian. He believed
in God. He believed in Christ, he believed in the
Bible, and he believed in Creation. He said that
God had given us two books. He has given us
the book of nature to understand the world, and
the book of Scriptures-and we are to read both
of them, said the founder of science. Wasn't a
Christian? Hardly.

Who was the greatest scientist that ever lived?
A poll taken of scientists just a few years ago
concluded that the greatest scientist that ever
lived was Sir Isaac Newton. If you read a list of
the things that he discovered, it is awesome.
The mathematical laws of gravity are just one
piece of that huge puzzle from this gigantic intellect.
He was, also, among other things, the co-discoverer
of calculus. Sir Isaac Newton. Newton believed in
God, he believed in Christ, he believed in the Bible,
and he believed in creation. To the utter chagrin
of modern evolutionary scientists, he wrote more
books on theology than he did on science. He still
became the greatest scientist that has ever lived,
according to them.

CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS

If the scientific method was invented by a Christian
and the greatest scientist that ever lived was a
Christian, what about the people that gave us all
of the various branches of science? Who were they?
Let me tell you about them. They were all men that
believed in God, believed in Christ, believed in the
Bible, and believed in creation. Not an evolutionist
among them. Who were they:

The inventor of Antiseptic Surgery was Joseph Lister,
who was all of the above.

Bacteriology - Louis Pasteur - all of the above.

Calculus - Sir Isaac Newton, as I've said.

Celestial Mechanics - Johann Kepler, who said that
science was thinking God's thoughts after Him.

Chemistry - Robert Boyle, who left a large sum of
money in his will that a series of lectures should
be taught in his university in England defending
the Christian faith. An unbeliever? Hardly.

Comparative Anatomy - Georges Cuvier.

Computer Science - Charles Babbage.

Dimensional Analysis - Lord Rayleigh.

Dynamics - Isaac Newton.

Electrodynamics - James Clerk Maxwell.

Electromagnetics - Michael Faraday, who had
about twenty-two honorary doctorates. He was
being given a huge award by the king at a banquet
on a Wednesday night. After the banquet, the
people talked for a while, and then he was called
up to receive his award, and they found that he had
slipped out to go to prayer meeting. That is what
you would have done, isn't it? After all, what is an
award from the king compared to worshiping God.

Electronics - Ambrose Fleming.

Energetics - Lord Kelvin, a great Christian.

Entomology of Living Insects - Henri Fabre.

Field Theory - Michael Faraday.

Fluid Mechanics - George Stokes.

Galactic Astronomy - William Herschel.

Gas Dynamcs - Robert Boyle.

Genetics - Gregor Mendel.

Glacial Geology - Louis Agassiz of Harvard,
a great Christian man.

Gynecology - James Simpson

Hydraulics - Leonardo da Vinci

Hydrography - Matthew Maury

Hydrostatics - Blaise Pascal.

Ichthyology - Louis Agassiz.

Isotopic Chemistry - William Ramsay.

Model Analysis - Lord Rayleigh.

Natural History - John Ray.

Non-Euclidean Geometry - Bernhard Riemann.

Oceanography - Matthew Maury.

Optical Mineralogy - David Brewster.

Paleontology - John Woodward.

Pathology - Rudolph Virchow.

Physical Astronomy - Johann Kepler.

Reversible Thermodynamics - James Joule.

Statistical Thermodynamics - James Clerk Maxwell.

Stratigraphy - Nicholas Steno.

Systematic Biology - Carolus Linnaeus.

Thermodynamics - Lord Kelvin.

Thermokinetics - Humphrey Davy.

Vertebrate Paleontology - George Cuvier.

They were Christians, all believers in creation.
We actually had an evolutionist in a debate
here many years ago who made this astounding
statement: "Creation is not scientific, and therefore,
anyone who believes in creation is not a scientist."
How's that again? He had better go back and
read a little of his own history to find out if that
is true.

--

Pastor Dave

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m

"The mark of a society that's on its last leg, is when
there is no fear of God." - Adrian Rogers

"Theology and ethics are inextricably bound together.
Yet under the supposed banner of unity, we have
harbored enemy ships - as long as they flew our flag.
That policy must change. Tolerating enemies of the
historic Christian faith as though they were our
brethren is not love, but adultery. The substance
of the faith is the only basis for unity."
- The Agony of Deceit, p23

Pastor Dave, you are not dealing with practical atheism here.
You are dealing with the God-Haters.
Why can't you realize that?
What your fav rodent has found dealing with militant atheists:
They pretty much all work from the same script.
Although viewing themselves as "free thinkers", they
got a Party Line they follow rather closely.
It isn't difficult to anticipate their arguments on any
given point. I almost always can correctly predict what they'll say next.
Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs about
"Christianity" from liberal Christians.
They'll pejoratively label all Christians as "Fundies",
then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
they suppose us "Fundies" subscribe to !
Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
religion of Scientism. Their priests wear white lab
coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
the telescope, and the test tube. Blasphemy is to
deny the ultimate authority of science.
But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
demons ...who believe more firmly in God's existence
than do Christians !
.

User: "The_Sage"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	30 Aug 2005 04:38:36 AM

Reply to article by: "I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com>
Date written: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:04:34 -0700
MsgID:<rDRPe.117$WY6.19266@news.uswest.net>
Pastor Dave, you are not dealing with practical atheism here.
You are dealing with the God-Haters.
Why can't you realize that?
What your fav rodent has found dealing with militant atheists:
They pretty much all work from the same script.
Although viewing themselves as "free thinkers", they
got a Party Line they follow rather closely.
It isn't difficult to anticipate their arguments on any
given point. I almost always can correctly predict what they'll say next.
Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs about
"Christianity" from liberal Christians.
They'll pejoratively label all Christians as "Fundies",
then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
they suppose us "Fundies" subscribe to !
Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
religion of Scientism. Their priests wear white lab
coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
the telescope, and the test tube. Blasphemy is to
deny the ultimate authority of science.
But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
demons ...who believe more firmly in God's existence
than do Christians !

You religious idiots always try to make *everything* out to be a religion, even
when it cleary is not.
The Sage
=============================================================
My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
"Toward no crimes have men shown themselves so cold-bloodedly
cruel as in punishing differences in belief"
-- James Russell Lowell
=============================================================
.

User: "Ordog"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 04:17:40 AM

I don't believe in atheists wrote:

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Are the Atheists Right?

BUU, BUUU, BUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
Are you scared? Your Anti-Fundy Demon is here!
And it urges you to remove yourself from this thread. Till now we had a
nice semi-sane discussion going on. If you stay it will be down-hill
from this point on!
Be a nice little troll, won't you just for once, and troll somewhere
else.
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
.

User: "Virgil"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 04:52:02 AM

In article <rDRPe.117$WY6.19266@news.uswest.net>,
"I don't believe in atheists" <Atheists@Fools.com> wrote:

Pastor Dave, you are not dealing with practical atheism here.
You are dealing with the God-Haters.
Why can't you realize that?

What is this god thing that atheists are being accused of hating?
It is the absence of any such cause for atheists' hatred that makes them
so much nicer than the above un-Christian haters of atheists.
.

User: "Denis Loubet"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	26 Aug 2005 09:04:03 PM

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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You say that. But other Christians disagree with you.

2) Stop looking at what fallible man does and then
turn around and blame Christianity. Man killing people
and doing it in the name of Christ, does not mean that
there is a problem with Christianity. It means that
there is a problem with man.

So what WOULD mean there's a problem with Christianity, if not people
killing people in the name of Christ?

The atheists, who are and have to be evolutionists,

No we don't.

love to ask the following question...

Some do, some don't.

"If there's a God, how come there is so many bad things
happening in the world?". If you want to know the
answer to that, why don't you look in the mirror? Man
loves to do evil and then blame God for the results!
Here is the whole issue, summed up, because you see,
the atheist actually likes to ask a question that has a
"no win" situation. Let me explain...

1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do,
that is called "free will" and the atheist complains.
Yet, if God stopped all evil from happening, then man
(if he could), would point his finger at God and say,
"If you loved me, you would let me make my own
decisions and learn from my own mistakes!".

2) If God allows man to make his own decisions
and his own mistakes, man points at God and says,
"If you really are God, how can you allow all of this
evil to exist?!".

You see what I mean? The atheist asks a rigged
question and tries to stack the deck. Thus, his/her
question is not honest to begin with.

Ummm, no. The murdered person did not make the decision to be murdered. Do I
violate the free will of a drowning person by throwing them a life
preserver? And what of Tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, that are
no one's fault?
You seek to grant your god all of the authority, but none of the
responsibility. You worship a god with no integrity.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
.

User: "ACIM student"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	26 Aug 2005 11:46:53 PM

[snip]

1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do,
that is called "free will" ...

"Awaking unto Christ is following the laws of love of your
free will, and out of quiet recognition of the truth in them.
The attraction of light must draw you willingly, and willingness
is signified by giving. Those who accept love of you become
your willing witnesses to the love you gave them, and it is
they who hold it out to you. In sleep you are alone, and
your awareness is narrowed to yourself. And that is why
the nightmares come. You dream of isolation because your
eyes are closed. You do not see your brothers, and in the
darkness you cannot look upon the light you gave to them."
.

User: "bob young"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	29 Aug 2005 10:30:03 AM

ACIM student wrote:

[snip]

1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do,
that is called "free will" ...

Friend you have a severe case of an inferioority complex mixed with
a deep fear of the unknown.
Please see a Shrink as soon as you can.
.

User: "FlameStrike"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 03:10:36 AM

In article <IRNPe.6169$ct5.3327@fed1read04>,

says...

I'm not certain where this comes from, but it sure sounds like it could be
used by Christians to condemn sleep.
--
FlameStrike
"My honor is my life!"
.

User: "ACIM student"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 07:27:58 AM

"FlameStrike" <flamestrike@flame.strike.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:MQQPe.2796$rS4.2311@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...

In article <IRNPe.6169$ct5.3327@fed1read04>,

says...

I'm not certain where this comes from, but it sure sounds like it could be
used by Christians to condemn sleep.

--
FlameStrike
"My honor is my life!"

Accept the dream He gave instead of yours. It is not difficult to
change a dream when once the dreamer has been recognized.
Rest in the Holy Spirit, and allow His gentle dreams to take the
place of those you dreamed in terror and in fear of death. He
brings forgiving dreams, in which the choice is not who is the
murderer and who shall be the victim.
In the dreams He brings there is no murder and there is no
death. The dream of guilt is fading from your sight, although
your eyes are closed. A smile has come to lighten up your
sleeping face. The sleep is peaceful now, for these are happy
dreams.
.

User: "FlameStrike"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 09:13:04 AM

In article <3CUPe.6217$ct5.3896@fed1read04>,

says...

Accept the dream He gave instead of yours. It is not difficult to
change a dream when once the dreamer has been recognized.
Rest in the Holy Spirit, and allow His gentle dreams to take the
place of those you dreamed in terror and in fear of death. He
brings forgiving dreams, in which the choice is not who is the
murderer and who shall be the victim.

In the dreams He brings there is no murder and there is no
death. The dream of guilt is fading from your sight, although
your eyes are closed. A smile has come to lighten up your
sleeping face. The sleep is peaceful now, for these are happy
dreams.

I'm not even going to try to decipher this poetic gibberish. I didn't actually
try to decipher the last one either, I just posted a thought that I found
humorous that your previous post provoked.
In other words, my response wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Assuming you
did take it seriously. I can't really tell from the above quote.
--
FlameStrike
"My honor is my life!"
.

User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 12:47:50 AM

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:46:53 -0700, "ACIM student" <no@no.com> wrote:

[snip]

1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do,
that is called "free will" ...

Is it really necessary to lie about those outside your religion? I
have never understood why so many Christians are so nasty about this.
.

User: "Revelation"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	03 Sep 2005 01:49:15 AM

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:94tug1tjieeeqro9bel2d8o2lmdbe986l7@4ax.com:

Are the Atheists Right?

Let the atheists explain this with science. Anyone who believes in
*coincidence* or *karma*, etc. needs to quit lying to themselves.
NOTHING happens by coincidence. Karma DOES NOT exist. The following link
and audio file proves it. A stunningly and frighteningly accurate
prophecy from over a month ago warned us of this disaster. God is tired
of our ways and He is not going to continue to be patient. The same
loving, merciful, gracious God of the Bible is also a God of
unimaginable wrath. We'd better start getting ourselves right or there
will be more situations even worse than Katrina to follow. Nations rise
in God and fall in rebellion. America is on a rapid decline and most of
us don't even realize it. It's a shame the world is full of fools. He
who has ears let him hear. He who has eyes let him see.
http://www.kimclement.com/words/2005/July222005.htm
In Him,
Revelation
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"Some things are true whether you believe them or not." Nicolas Cage in
City of Angels
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The Movement Has Begun: www.ptfaprogram.com/intro/?Inviter=2
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User: "John Baker"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	03 Sep 2005 05:58:42 PM

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:49:15 GMT, "Revelation" <info@example.com>
wrote:

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Are the Atheists Right?

Dude, your doctor prescribed those pills for a reason. Take them.
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User: "Revelation"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	03 Sep 2005 07:46:15 PM

"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:49:15 GMT, "Revelation" <info@example.com>
wrote:

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:94tug1tjieeeqro9bel2d8o2lmdbe986l7@4ax.com:

Are the Atheists Right?

Dude, your doctor prescribed those pills for a reason. Take them.

Pills. Pfizer needs to invent a pill to cure foolishness. That would be
good for you and your eternity.
In due time we will all know the Truth one way or another. EVERY knee
shall bow and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus the Christ is Lord.
--
Regards,
Triniti
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"Some things are true whether you believe them or not." - Nicolas Cage
in City of Angels
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User: "Mary Walker"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	03 Sep 2005 08:00:11 PM

"Revelation" <info@example.com> wrote in message
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"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:49:15 GMT, "Revelation" <info@example.com>
wrote:

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Are the Atheists Right?

Dude, your doctor prescribed those pills for a reason. Take them.

Jesus Christ is dead, my friend. Live with it.
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User: ""
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	06 Sep 2005 06:32:30 PM

Jesus Christ is dead, my friend. Live with it.
================================
You shouldn't be so blunt to children.
My momma would say
"Jesus is in heaven"
Means the same,
sounds much more nice.
Think about it
Peter van Velzen
September 2005
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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User: "bob young"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	04 Sep 2005 02:38:03 AM

Mary Walker wrote:

"Revelation" <info@example.com> wrote in message
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"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:49:15 GMT, "Revelation" <info@example.com>
wrote:

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Are the Atheists Right?

Dude, your doctor prescribed those pills for a reason. Take them.

Here are a few more 'Lords' to drool over:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis,
Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres,
Cupid, Cerridwen, Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos,
Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim Eshu, Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya,
Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,
Korravai, Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva,
Mercurius, Morrigan, Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune,
Obatala, Odin, Ogun, Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun,
Olodumare, Pluto, Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl,
Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn, Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus,
Vesta, Vishnu, Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
But, if we're going to enlarge the list, let's use this modified
list:
Ahura Mazda
Allah
Aphrodite
Ares
Athena
Apollo
Artemis
Babaluaye
Bacchus
Baldur
Bast
Bellona
Brahma
Brigid
Ceres
Cupid
Cerridwen
Demeter
Diana
Dione
Dionysus
Eris
Eos
Eleggua
El Shaddai
Elohim Eshu
Ereshkigal
Frigga
Frey
Freya
Gaea
Lord Genesa
Hades
Hebe
Hera
Helios
Hel
Hephaestus
Hermes
Hestia
Horus
Ibeji
Ifa
Inanna
Indra
Ishana
Ishtar
Isis
Janus
Juno
Jehovah
Jove
Jupiter
Kali. Krishna Kronos
Korravai
Loki
Lugh
Lord Indra
Manitou
Mars
Mercury
Minerva
Mercurius
Morrigan
Nahuiquiahuitl
Nanahuatzin
Nephthys
Neptune
Obatala
Odin
Ogun
Oshosi
Oshun
Osiris
Oya
Orunmila
Olokun
Olodumare
Pluto
Persephone
Poseidon
Proserpina
Quetzalcoatl
Ra
Lord Rama
Rhea
Saturn
Set
Selene
Shango
Lord Siva
Tammuz
Thor
Tir
Tiw
Uranus
Venus
Vesta
Vishnu
Vesta
Vulcan
Wotan
Yahweh
Yemaya
Zeus
XodA
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye,
Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
[Note under 'African Gods' the number devoted to 'Supremacy']
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]

Jesus Christ is dead, my friend. Live with it.

User: "Humma Kavula"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	03 Sep 2005 08:26:15 PM

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:00:11 +0100, Mary Walker let slip this dark
secret:

Jesus Christ is dead, my friend. Live with it.

If he ever existed.
--
Oh mighty Arkleseizure, thou gazed from high above.
And sneezed from out thy nostrils, a gift of bounteous love.
The universe around us emerged from thy nose.
Now we await with eager expectation, thy handkerchief,
To bring us back to thee.
.

User: "thomas p"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	03 Sep 2005 08:43:53 AM

On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:49:15 GMT, "Revelation" <info@example.com>
wrote:

"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:94tug1tjieeeqro9bel2d8o2lmdbe986l7@4ax.com:

Are the Atheists Right?

He who has medication, let him take it.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)

.

User: "Chris Johnson"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	26 Aug 2005 09:47:43 PM

*****, do you people think we've never seen your arguments before?
Anyway, here goes.

It may not be dogma, but Christians are the only ones to do this.

We're not saying Christianity itself killed something, but that it
fails to prevent its adherents from committing murders.

The atheists, who are and have to be evolutionists,
love to ask the following question...

Have to be? Atheists don't have to accept evolution, they just have a
tendency to do so.

"If there's a God, how come there is so many bad things
happening in the world?".

I would be ashamed if I used such poor grammar.

If you want to know the
answer to that, why don't you look in the mirror? Man
loves to do evil and then blame God for the results!

I do not blame any sky pixie for the results of evil. I accept
responsibility for my own actions. I do, however, blame Christianity
for encouraging people to commit evil. You give your adherents a blank
check to do as they will, but if they believe in Jesus, they'll still
be rewarded.

Here is the whole issue, summed up, because you see,
the atheist actually likes to ask a question that has a
"no win" situation. Let me explain...

1) If God allows man to do what man decides to do,
that is called "free will" and the atheist complains.
Yet, if God stopped all evil from happening, then man
(if he could), would point his finger at God and say,
"If you loved me, you would let me make my own
decisions and learn from my own mistakes!".

2) If God allows man to make his own decisions
and his own mistakes, man points at God and says,
"If you really are God, how can you allow all of this
evil to exist?!".

You see what I mean? The atheist asks a rigged
question and tries to stack the deck. Thus, his/her
question is not honest to begin with.

Let me explain, real quick. Your god is supposedly omniscient,
omnipotent, transcendent, and benevolent. (Did I miss one?) So the fact
that he created a universe that he knew ahead of time would be full of
evil is contradictory to the concept of benevolence. We don't complain
that god gave us free will (in fact, we don't complain about anything
god did). Rather, we assert that if your specific flavor of god exists
and created the universe, he created a rigged game that we all lose.
***** that god.

As far as Creation and evolution, they love to say
the following...

"Creation is NOT science and no REAL scientist
believes in Creation! It does not offer any
testable theory!"

Creation isn't science. It's mythology. That's all there is to it. It
doesn't matter how many experts you line up, unless they can show
scientifically that the universe was created, it's still just their
favorite mythology.
Also, some real scientists do believe in creation. But they understand
that it is religion, not science.

They also love to compare it to gravity, yet,
Sir Isaac Newton was a six day Creationist!

Isaac Newton also died a virgin. Biologically speaking, he was
unsuccessful. Are you going to take his word on any biological subject?
Furthermore, Newton wasn't around when evolution was proposed. Would
you really expect him to accept a theory that hasn't been set forth?

They also love to say that if you don't believe
in evolution as a scientific fact, how do you
explain using your computer, which is based
on evolutionary science?

What the bloody hell? When has anyone claimed that computers are based
on evolution?

Huh?! That isn't anywhere NEAR being true!
It is NOT based on "evolutionary science",
nor is science even evolution.

You're setting up strawmen. Nobody makes that argument.

In fact, the inventors of computer science
and electronics, were six day Creationists!

And we're supposed to take the word of computer geeks over biologists?

The next time someone tells you that "Creation
scientists are not real scientists", you provide
them with this message, which shows that not
only was the founder of the scientific method
a creationist,

The founder of the scientific method? You dipshit, Newton didn't found
the scientific method. He did a lot of work on mechanics and calculus.
The modern scientific method was based on Descarte's rationalism and
Bacon's empiricism. It stresses observation, induction, and testing.
You cannot do this for creation, and thus it is simply not science.

but many of the branches of
science, were invented by creationists, who
all believed in a literal six day creation.

Again, who cares? A widespread belief does not make truth.

To deny
evolution is not to deny God, nor nature, nor
science.

Well, it is to deny science. See, evolution has been observed.

In fact, to deny evolution, is to uphold
science, the truth of God and the nature that
God created. And the greatest scientists in
the world knew that. In fact, the greatest
scientific philosopher of all time, Dr. Karl Popper,
said that evolution is not a law, nor a theory
and that it doesn't even rise to the level of an
hypothesis. He said it is nothing more than a
metaphysical research program.

Karl Popper advanced the ideas of falsifiability. Evolution is a
falsifiable theory, and has not been proven false. So until we gather
data that goes against the theory, we can treat it as true.
-snip-
Come on, you can do better than copying and pasting somebody else's
work.
A major tenet of your belief in creation seems to be that "a lot of
other people believed in it". Once again, popularity does not imply
truth.
.

User: "Mary Wallker"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 03:10:39 PM

What the bloody hell? When has anyone claimed that computers are based
on evolution?

I'd say computers can be equated to evolution. Taking a step back into the
70s we had the big mainframe computers - suddenly somebody built a slightly
smaller one, taking all the good "genes" from the super big one and creating
a newer, smaller offspring - then companies opted for the smaller model and
the big ones became redundant. Then somebody designs a faster computer, and
the "faster" genes are bought by companies taking all the good things from
the old machines and the old technology gets left behind again and so on ...
and so on. Many new processors are being created but only the best ones
survive the market ("survival of the fitest") and then 10 years down the
road a mark II of that processor comes out (smaller, faster, quieter, more
instructions on the chip etc) and the old ones die out. And the evolution
process of computers still goes on to this day in terms of operating system,
hardware, architecture, data rates and software.
.

User: "Pastor Dave"
Title: Re: Are the Atheists Right?	27 Aug 2005 12:15:10 AM

On 26 Aug 2005 14:47:43 -0700, "Chris Johnson"
<effigies@gmail.com> spake thusly:

*****, do you people think we've never seen
your arguments before?

Taking the Lord's name in vain only helps shatter
your credibility.

Anyway, here goes.

It may not be dogma, but Christians are the only ones to do this.

Thank you for showing your genuine stupidity.
It is not ignorance, because history tells us that
the opposite is true, as I noted below. Atheist
nations have done more killing than any other.

We're not saying Christianity itself killed something, but that it
fails to prevent its adherents from committing murders.

You defeat your own argument.
If "it" can't kill, because it is an "it", then "it"
would automatically be unable to prevent killing
and so, you are a hypocrite for blaming "it".

The atheists, who are and have to be evolutionists,
love to ask the following question...

Have to be? Atheists don't have to accept evolution,
they just have a tendency to do so.

No liar, they MUST. Either evolution is true, or there
was a Designer.
"...we have a prior commitment, a commitment to
materialism. It is not that the methods and
institutions of science somehow compel us to accept
a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but,
on the contrary, that we are forced by our 'a priori'
adherence to material causes to create a set of
concepts that produce material explanations, no matter
how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the
uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an
absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the
door." - Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions
of Demons, The New York Review of Books,
January 9, 1997, p. 31
In case you're ignorant to this