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User: "David D."
Date: 23 Jan 2005 06:51:10 PM
Object: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective?
Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon are
subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp). There
are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews since
he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).
Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his reviewers.
Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):

Enkidu wrote:

"Jason Gastrich"


In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
months, I did.


And we've read objective reviews of the result.


Objective, eh?

I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.
I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
be subjective?
START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October 8,
2004
I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative religion
and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what I
thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
the others on the Amazon site.
This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is always
some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always errors.
Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.
Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work as
"atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me as
unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if it
were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes no
difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or imagined
-- that might be held by the reviewer.
Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic book,
mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually deficient,
as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this volume
would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
"faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical thought
to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith or
the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of what
appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
satisfactory rebuttal.
END FIRST REVIEW
In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically states
he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
review helpful:
What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?
START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago) Thumbs
down, October 13, 2004
This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained or
corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to criticism
is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this CD.
In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay. None
of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a "book").
It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like the
CD itself, is a failure.
By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would also
srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line of
attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.
I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith --
what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful as
the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new Christian,
I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
other reasons for not using it.
Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in this
day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses would
somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is an
amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
designed to pad the volume of the CD.
END SECOND REVIEW
I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.
David
.

User: "David D."

Title: Day 19, no answer Re: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 08 Feb 2005 04:38:07 PM
David D. wrote:

Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon

are

subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp).

There

are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews

since

he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).

Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his

reviewers.

Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):

Enkidu wrote:

"Jason Gastrich"


In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
months, I did.


And we've read objective reviews of the result.


Objective, eh?


I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.

I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
be subjective?

START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October

8,

2004

I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative

religion

and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what

I

thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
the others on the Amazon site.

This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is

always

some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always

errors.

Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.

Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work

as

"atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me

as

unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if

it

were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes

no

difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or

imagined

-- that might be held by the reviewer.

Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic

book,

mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually

deficient,

as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this

volume

would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
"faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical

thought

to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith

or

the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of

what

appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
satisfactory rebuttal.
END FIRST REVIEW

In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically

states

he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
review helpful:

What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?

START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago)

Thumbs

down, October 13, 2004

This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained

or

corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to

criticism

is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this

CD.

In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay.

None

of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a

"book").

It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like

the

CD itself, is a failure.

By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would

also

srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line

of

attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.

I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith

--

what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful

as

the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new

Christian,

I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
other reasons for not using it.

Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in

this

day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses

would

somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is

an

amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
designed to pad the volume of the CD.
END SECOND REVIEW

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.

I'm still waiting. Which part of the reviews quoted above, with
regard
to your (Jason Gastrich) e-book, do you find subjective. You claim
that all the negative reviews are subjective. Given that claim it
should be easy for you to tell us why these reviews are not objective.
Right?
David
.

User: "David D."

Title: Re: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 31 Jan 2005 05:06:56 AM
David D. wrote:

Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon

are

subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp).

There

are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews

since

he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).

Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his

reviewers.

Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):

Enkidu wrote:

"Jason Gastrich"


In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
months, I did.


And we've read objective reviews of the result.


Objective, eh?


I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.

I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
be subjective?

START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October

8,

2004

I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative

religion

and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what

I

thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
the others on the Amazon site.

This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is

always

some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always

errors.

Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.

Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work

as

"atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me

as

unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if

it

were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes

no

difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or

imagined

-- that might be held by the reviewer.

Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic

book,

mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually

deficient,

as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this

volume

would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
"faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical

thought

to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith

or

the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of

what

appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
satisfactory rebuttal.
END FIRST REVIEW

In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically

states

he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
review helpful:

What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?

START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago)

Thumbs

down, October 13, 2004

This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained

or

corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to

criticism

is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this

CD.

In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay.

None

of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a

"book").

It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like

the

CD itself, is a failure.

By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would

also

srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line

of

attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.

I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith

--

what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful

as

the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new

Christian,

I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
other reasons for not using it.

Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in

this

day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses

would

somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is

an

amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
designed to pad the volume of the CD.
END SECOND REVIEW

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.

I'm still waiting. Which part of the reviews quoted above, with regard
to your (Jason Gastrich) e-book, do you find subjective. You claim
that all the negative reviews are subjective. Given that claim it
should be easy for you to tell us why these reviews are not objective.
Right?
David
.

User: "David D."

Title: Day 22, no answer Re: negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 14 Feb 2005 12:18:03 AM
David D. wrote:

Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon

are

subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp).

There

are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews

since

he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).

Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his

reviewers.

Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):

Enkidu wrote:

"Jason Gastrich"


In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
months, I did.


And we've read objective reviews of the result.


Objective, eh?


I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.

I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
be subjective?

START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October

8,

2004

I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative

religion

and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what

I

thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
the others on the Amazon site.

This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is

always

some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always

errors.

Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.

Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work

as

"atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me

as

unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if

it

were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes

no

difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or

imagined

-- that might be held by the reviewer.

Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic

book,

mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually

deficient,

as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this

volume

would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
"faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical

thought

to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith

or

the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of

what

appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
satisfactory rebuttal.
END FIRST REVIEW

In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically

states

he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
review helpful:

What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?

START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago)

Thumbs

down, October 13, 2004

This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained

or

corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to

criticism

is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this

CD.

In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay.

None

of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a

"book").

It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like

the

CD itself, is a failure.

By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would

also

srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line

of

attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.

I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith

--

what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful

as

the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new

Christian,

I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
other reasons for not using it.

Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in

this

day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses

would

somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is

an

amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
designed to pad the volume of the CD.
END SECOND REVIEW

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.

David

When Jason ignores such a simple question it makes one think he must be
full of assertions he cannot back up. David
.
User: "lizzard woman"

Title: Re: Day 22, no answer Re: negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 14 Feb 2005 12:25:05 AM
Here's up to Day 19 on answering a question from Sean McHugh that he
promised he would answer.
This guy is a complete joke.
sharon
"David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108340283.390245.84580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
| David D. wrote:
| > Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon
| are
| > subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp).
| There
| > are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews
| since
| > he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
| > fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
| > reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).
| >
| > Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his
| reviewers.
| > Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):
| > > Enkidu wrote:
| > > > "Jason Gastrich"
| > > >>
| > > >> In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
| > > >> be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
| > > >> The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
| > > >> months, I did.
| > > >
| > > > And we've read objective reviews of the result.
| > >
| > > Objective, eh?
| >
| > I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
| > for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
| > helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
| > Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.
| >
| > I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
| > be subjective?
| >
| > START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October
| 8,
| > 2004
| >
| > I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative
| religion
| > and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what
| I
| > thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
| > the others on the Amazon site.
| >
| > This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
| > par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is
| always
| > some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
| > correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always
| errors.
| > Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
| > presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
| > short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
| > intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
| > supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.
| >
| > Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work
| as
| > "atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me
| as
| > unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
| > perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
| > differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if
| it
| > were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
| > any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes
| no
| > difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
| > atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
| > readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
| > presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
| > there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
| > addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or
| imagined
| > -- that might be held by the reviewer.
| >
| > Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic
| book,
| > mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
| > have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
| > of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
| > provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually
| deficient,
| > as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this
| volume
| > would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
| > "faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical
| thought
| > to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
| > certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith
| or
| > the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of
| what
| > appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
| > satisfactory rebuttal.
| > END FIRST REVIEW
| >
| > In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically
| states
| > he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
| > Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
| > review helpful:
| >
| > What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?
| >
| > START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago)
| Thumbs
| > down, October 13, 2004
| >
| > This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
| > There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
| > substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
| > being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
| > unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained
| or
| > corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to
| criticism
| > is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this
| CD.
| > In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
| > belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay.
| None
| > of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a
| "book").
| > It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
| > only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like
| the
| > CD itself, is a failure.
| >
| > By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
| > degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
| > institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would
| also
| > srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line
| of
| > attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
| > contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.
| >
| > I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith
| --
| > what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful
| as
| > the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
| > performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
| > wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new
| Christian,
| > I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
| > really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
| > other reasons for not using it.
| >
| > Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in
| this
| > day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
| > as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
| > competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses
| would
| > somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is
| an
| > amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
| > better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
| > author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
| > designed to pad the volume of the CD.
| > END SECOND REVIEW
| >
| > I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
| > these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
| > therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
| > validity.
| >
| > David
|
|
|
| When Jason ignores such a simple question it makes one think he must be
| full of assertions he cannot back up. David
|
.
User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: Day 22, no answer Re: negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 14 Feb 2005 12:50:02 AM
"lizzard woman" <kimosabeRMOVE@shaw.ca> wrote in news:BdSPd.381645
$Xk.122820@pd7tw3no:

Here's up to Day 19 on answering a question from Sean McHugh that he
promised he would answer.

This guy is a complete joke.

Jokes are supposed to be funny.
--
Enkidu
It is clear that thought is not free if the profession of certain opinions
make it impossible to earn a living.
-- Bertrand Russell
Now playing: Camel - 01 Irish Air
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Day 22, no answer Re: negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 14 Feb 2005 01:46:53 AM
lizzard woman wrote:

David D. wrote
| David D. wrote

<snip> e-book reviews

| >
| > I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts

of

| > these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes

frequently,

| > therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
| > validity.
|
| When Jason ignores such a simple question it makes one think he

must be

| full of assertions he cannot back up. David
|
Here's up to Day 19 on answering a question from Sean McHugh that he
promised he would answer.

This guy is a complete joke.

Your example is even worse because he actually promised to
address the questions. I cannot claim he ever promised me a
reply but if he can't answer the question he shouldn't go
around complaining about subjective reviews from atheists
with regard to his e-book.
David
.
User: "David"

Title: Re: Day 22, no answer Re: negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 18 Feb 2005 05:39:49 AM
wrote:

lizzard woman wrote:

David D. wrote
| David D. wrote

<snip> e-book reviews

| >
| > I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts

of

| > these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes

frequently,

| > therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has

any

| > validity.
|
| When Jason ignores such a simple question it makes one think he

must be

| full of assertions he cannot back up. David
|
Here's up to Day 19 on answering a question from Sean McHugh that

he

promised he would answer.

This guy is a complete joke.


Your example is even worse because he actually promised to
address the questions. I cannot claim he ever promised me a
reply but if he can't answer the question he shouldn't go
around complaining about subjective reviews from atheists
with regard to his e-book.

Especially when several have said that they AREN'T atheists and he
can't be sure about those who haven't said, either way.
.
User: "David D."

Title: Re: Day 22, no answer Re: negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 18 Feb 2005 06:26:11 AM
David wrote:

daycd@hotmail.com wrote:

lizzard woman wrote:

David D. wrote
| David D. wrote

<snip> e-book reviews

| >
| > I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which

parts

of

| > these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes

frequently,

| > therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has

any

| > validity.
|
| When Jason ignores such a simple question it makes one think he

must be

| full of assertions he cannot back up. David
|
Here's up to Day 19 on answering a question from Sean McHugh that

he

promised he would answer.

This guy is a complete joke.


Your example is even worse because he actually promised to
address the questions. I cannot claim he ever promised me a
reply but if he can't answer the question he shouldn't go
around complaining about subjective reviews from atheists
with regard to his e-book.


Especially when several have said that they AREN'T atheists and he
can't be sure about those who haven't said, either way.

Absolutely, i was using the term atheist in the loosest possible way.
As in, anyone that does not believe in Jason's God. Or should that be,
anyone that does not believe Jason is God?
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Day 22, no answer Re: negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 18 Feb 2005 10:21:51 PM
On 17 Feb 2005 22:26:11 -0800, "David D." <daycd@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:

Absolutely, i was using the term atheist in the loosest possible way.
As in, anyone that does not believe in Jason's God. Or should that be,
anyone that does not believe Jason is God?

I don't think there's a difference.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Nothing in biology makes sense without evolution."
- Theodosuis Dobzhansky
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
.






User: "David D."

Title: Day 26, still no annswer Re: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 18 Feb 2005 05:13:27 AM
David D. wrote:

Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon

are

subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp).

There

are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews

since

he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).

Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his

reviewers.

Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):

Enkidu wrote:

"Jason Gastrich"


In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
months, I did.


And we've read objective reviews of the result.


Objective, eh?


I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.

I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
be subjective?

START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October

8,

2004

I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative

religion

and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what

I

thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
the others on the Amazon site.

This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is

always

some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always

errors.

Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.

Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work

as

"atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me

as

unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if

it

were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes

no

difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or

imagined

-- that might be held by the reviewer.

Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic

book,

mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually

deficient,

as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this

volume

would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
"faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical

thought

to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith

or

the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of

what

appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
satisfactory rebuttal.
END FIRST REVIEW

In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically

states

he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
review helpful:

What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?

START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago)

Thumbs

down, October 13, 2004

This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained

or

corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to

criticism

is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this

CD.

In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay.

None

of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a

"book").

It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like

the

CD itself, is a failure.

By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would

also

srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line

of

attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.

I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith

--

what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful

as

the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new

Christian,

I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
other reasons for not using it.

Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in

this

day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses

would

somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is

an

amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
designed to pad the volume of the CD.
END SECOND REVIEW

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.

Can we assume these are objective?
.
User: "Secular Fundamentalist"

Title: Re: Day 26, still no annswer Re: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich'se-book objective? 18 Feb 2005 07:00:43 AM
David D. wrote:

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.




Can we assume these are objective?

David. To be blunt, you are expecting far too much of Gastric, you know
you are. He wouldn't know what an object was if it smacked him round the
head with another object.
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
If God had meant us to believe in him, he wouldn't have given us brains.
.
User: "David D."

Title: Re: Day 26, still no annswer Re: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 18 Feb 2005 08:31:55 AM
Secular Fundamentalist wrote:

David D. wrote:

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes

frequently,

therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.




Can we assume these are objective?

David. To be blunt, you are expecting far too much of Gastric, you

know

you are. He wouldn't know what an object was if it smacked him round

the

head with another object.

Of course you're right, but at least it shows him up to be the
hypocrite he refuses to acknowledge. May be too many objects have hit
him over the head, that might explain his performance on usenet.
.



User: "David D."

Title: Re: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 26 Jan 2005 09:50:50 PM
David D. wrote:

Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon

are

subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp).

There

are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews

since

he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).

Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his

reviewers.

Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):

Enkidu wrote:

"Jason Gastrich"


In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
months, I did.


And we've read objective reviews of the result.


Objective, eh?


I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.

I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
be subjective?

START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October

8,

2004

I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative

religion

and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what

I

thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
the others on the Amazon site.

This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is

always

some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always

errors.

Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.

Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work

as

"atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me

as

unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if

it

were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes

no

difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or

imagined

-- that might be held by the reviewer.

Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic

book,

mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually

deficient,

as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this

volume

would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
"faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical

thought

to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith

or

the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of

what

appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
satisfactory rebuttal.
END FIRST REVIEW

In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically

states

he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
review helpful:

What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?

START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago)

Thumbs

down, October 13, 2004

This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained

or

corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to

criticism

is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this

CD.

In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay.

None

of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a

"book").

It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like

the

CD itself, is a failure.

By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would

also

srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line

of

attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.

I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith

--

what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful

as

the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new

Christian,

I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
other reasons for not using it.

Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in

this

day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses

would

somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is

an

amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
designed to pad the volume of the CD.
END SECOND REVIEW

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.

I still wondering?
Could you highlight the parts of the two reviews above that are NOT
objective?
.

User: "David D."

Title: Re: Are the negative reviews for Gastrich's e-book objective? 04 Feb 2005 10:12:05 AM
David D. wrote:

Jason is fond of claiming that the reviews for his e-book on amazon

are

subjective (see reviews at this link http://tinyurl.com/4vbzp).

There

are several critical reviews and Jason has ignored these reviews

since

he believes they were written by atheists with an axe to grind. In
fact, he has actively tried, with moderate success, to get negative
reviews censored by badgering google (http://tinyurl.com/636ax).

Below is an example of Jason doubting the objectivity of his

reviewers.

Jason Gastrich wrote (http://tinyurl.com/4k5vt):

Enkidu wrote:

"Jason Gastrich"


In my debate with Dan, I mentioned how I would
be writing a "corrected and explained" version of
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible. In the subsequent
months, I did.


And we've read objective reviews of the result.


Objective, eh?


I pasted a review below. This reviewer has written two other reviews
for amazon products too. In all cases the reviews were found to be
helpful by other customers. 17 of 18 people found the first review of
Jasons e-book, that I have pasted below, to be helpful.

I would be interested to know what part of this review Jason finds to
be subjective?

START FIRST REVIEW Reviewer: Stasi Kay Not a good resource, October

8,

2004

I enjoy reading christian apologetics and works of comparative

religion

and I was loaned a copy of this electronic, CD-based book to see what

I

thought of it. I am afraid that my critical views align with some of
the others on the Amazon site.

This is a poor effort at apologetics, the intellectual value is on a
par with an albeit lengthy pre-secondary school report. There is

always

some risk when presuming to take a list of errors while presuming to
correct them. One of those risks is that errors are not always

errors.

Another risk is that the errors are legitimate but those things
presumed to be "answers," "corrections" or "explanations" fall well
short of the mark by either failing to provide a reasonable,
intelligent explanation or by misdirecting from the subject of the
supposed error. These things occur frequently in this volume.

Also, there have been some attempts to demonize critics of this work

as

"atheists" both in reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. This strikes me

as

unfortunate, because it avoids the legitimate criticisms by
perpetuating a division among intelligent, thinking people with
differing world views through means that are not legitimate. Even if

it

were true that some reviewers are atheists (though it is not true in
any case of which I am aware, including reviews on Amazon), it makes

no

difference when considering the intellectual value of the review. An
atheist can write an intelligent review of an apologetic work as
readily as a christian can presume to "correct" or "explain" a
presumably atheist work such as the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible." If
there is substance to an unflattering review, that is what should be
addressed, not the religious beliefs -- real, manufactured, or

imagined

-- that might be held by the reviewer.

Having said that, I feel that I cannot recommend this electronic

book,

mostly because it fails to do what it claims to do. Other reviewers
have noted that it does little more than provide superficial coverage
of topics that are addressed. "Answers" and "explanations" that are
provided make unwarranted assumptions and are intellectually

deficient,

as well as lacking in documentary evidence. Very little in this

volume

would be of value as an evangelistic tool. It might best serve as a
"faith-affirming" tool for those whom do not give much critical

thought

to their beliefs and whom already believe as the author does. It
certainly will not be convincing to thoughtful skeptics of the faith

or

the Scriptures. As a christian, I have disagreements with some of

what

appears in the Skeptic's Annotated Bible, but this volume is not a
satisfactory rebuttal.
END FIRST REVIEW

In the second review I have pasted here the author specifically

states

he is not an atheist and also claims to have an advanced degree in
Biblical Studies. Note all customers (13 of 13 people) found this
review helpful:

What part of this second review does Jason Gastrich find subjective?

START SECOND REVIEW Reviewer: Laurence Jameson "Larry" (Chicago)

Thumbs

down, October 13, 2004

This is not a very good compilation of alleged corrections to errors.
There have been many comments here and there about the lack of
substance to this CD as well as the lackluster attempt at whatever is
being called "research," and those comments are supported by any
unbiased examination of the contents. Indeed, much is not explained

or

corrected. In newsgroups, inadequate response of this sort to

criticism

is categorized as "is not." There isn't much more than that in this

CD.

In fact, most of this CD is composed of material that doesn't even
belong to the author, provided, as guess, as "supplemental." Okay.

None

of it helps the general tone of the project (I can't call it a

"book").

It seems to be added to project some sort of legitimacy, but that can
only be gained by the effort itself. Unfortunately the effort, like

the

CD itself, is a failure.

By the way, I'm not an atheist, either. I have a legitmate advanced
degree in Biblical Studies from an old, reputable, accredited
institution, as well. That's all I'll say about that, but I would

also

srongly suggest that my fundamentalist brethren stop using that line

of

attack. It makes Christians appear mean-spirited and bitter, which is
contrary to the teachings and example of Christ.

I can say that this CD might be okay for one who is new in the Faith

--

what we sometimes call a "baby Christian," but it will not be useful

as

the weapon against atheists, if my evaluation of the author's debate
performances, as well as this CD, is any indication. At any rate, I
wouldn't use it for any faith-affirming tool for even a new

Christian,

I simply suggest that it might serve that purpose because I can't
really find anything else positive to say about it. I would also have
other reasons for not using it.

Elsewhere it has been said that "anyone can write a book," and in

this

day and age, anyone can "publish" one and get it placed on sites such
as Amazon. Usually this is a great service because we get to see many
competent and even outstanding authors that the publishing houses

would

somehow pass over. That isn't the case here. This CD compilation is

an

amateurish piece of work, and there are far better researched and
better-argued apologetics out there, not burdened down with the
author's vacation pictures and other useless material apparently
designed to pad the volume of the CD.
END SECOND REVIEW

I would like to hear Jason's opinion with regard to which parts of
these two reviews are subjective. It is a claim he makes frequently,
therefore, it should be easy to back up this claim if it has any
validity.

I'm still waiting. Which part of the reviews quoted above, with
regard
to your (Jason Gastrich) e-book, do you find subjective. You claim
that all the negative reviews are subjective. Given that claim it
should be easy for you to tell us why these reviews are not objective.
Right?
David
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