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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Dr. Tom Snyder"
Date: 18 Jun 2006 01:32:17 AM
Object: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists?
Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.
Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?
If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the morality
of most atheists?
ts
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User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 02:09:24 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com:

Abortion kills innocent children

No it doesn't, it kills embryos & fetuses. I know that to a numbskull like
you they might appear to be the same as a child, but they ain't, now matter
HOW much you ***** and moan about it, "Doctor"
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
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User: "Dr. Tom Snyder"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 02:34:04 AM
"Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E69A01B502cogitoergosum@61.9.191.5...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com:

Abortion kills innocent children


No it doesn't, it kills embryos & fetuses. I know that to a numbskull like
you they might appear to be the same as a child, but they ain't, now

matter

HOW much you ***** and moan about it, "Doctor"



--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

Fetuses are unborn children. Are you stupid as well as morally bankrupt?
.
User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 07:57:30 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:e9KdnbGGseHxnAjZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com:


"Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E69A01B502cogitoergosum@61.9.191.5...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com:

Abortion kills innocent children


No it doesn't, it kills embryos & fetuses. I know that to a numbskull

like

you they might appear to be the same as a child, but they ain't, now

matter

HOW much you ***** and moan about it, "Doctor"



--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com


Fetuses are unborn children. Are you stupid as well as morally bankrupt?

Are YOU SURE you're a doctor?
BTW, someone else's business is none of yours, so you can BUTT OUT over
taking control of women's bodies, you hypocritical, misogynistic
*****.
You "right to life" fuckwits want, NAY DEMAND control of women's uteri. If
that's not "amoral" I don't know what is...
Add YOU'RE preaching "morality" to ME??? YOU don't give a flying ***** if
women die from botched abortions, self abortions, pregnancy problems, as
long as YOU get to own ALL women's wombs.
What you're REALLY saying is that women deserve to die for "presuming" to
control their own lives.
What you're REALLY saying is that women should be barefoot, pregnant and
shackled to the kitchen.
What you're REALLY saying is that you are a misogynistic ***** who
thinks that women shouldn't have been allowed the vote.
Please explain to me why women who do NOT belong to your chosen cult of
insanity, have to conform to your beliefs?
I cite the 1st, 4th and 13th US Constitution amendments for your perusal.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the
persons or things to be seized.
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their
jurisdiction.
YOU, "DOCTOR", are demanding ownership of women, AKA SLAVERY, which is
UNCONSTITUTIONAL, by default, making you a fucking TRAITOR.
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
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User: "Brother Bretts"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 09:54:26 PM
Ph=FFlt=EAr wrote:

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:e9KdnbGGseHxnAjZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com:


"Ph=FFlt=EAr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E69A01B502cogitoergosum@61.9.191.5...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com:

Abortion kills innocent children


No it doesn't, it kills embryos & fetuses. I know that to a numbskull

like

you they might appear to be the same as a child, but they ain't, now

matter

HOW much you ***** and moan about it, "Doctor"



--
Ph=FFlt=EAr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attach=E9
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com


Fetuses are unborn children. Are you stupid as well as morally bankrupt?


Are YOU SURE you're a doctor?
=20

He only said "Dr." ... He probably means "Dumber", "Dorkier", etc.
.
User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 20 Jun 2006 08:06:09 AM
"Brother Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:1150685666.219584.243210@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:


Phÿltêr wrote:

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:e9KdnbGGseHxnAjZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com:


"Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E69A01B502cogitoergosum@61.9.191.5...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com:

Abortion kills innocent children


No it doesn't, it kills embryos & fetuses. I know that to a numbskull

like

you they might appear to be the same as a child, but they ain't, now

matter

HOW much you ***** and moan about it, "Doctor"



--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com


Fetuses are unborn children. Are you stupid as well as morally

bankrupt?


Are YOU SURE you're a doctor?


He only said "Dr." ... He probably means "Dumber", "Dorkier", etc.


Or maybe he's like Dr Pepper...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.


User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 08:00:09 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Phÿltêr in episode
<Xns97E6D49A3CB3Ecogitoergosum@61.9.191.5>...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:e9KdnbGGseHxnAjZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com:


"Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E69A01B502cogitoergosum@61.9.191.5...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com:

Abortion kills innocent children


No it doesn't, it kills embryos & fetuses. I know that to a numbskull

like

you they might appear to be the same as a child, but they ain't, now

matter

HOW much you ***** and moan about it, "Doctor"



--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com


Fetuses are unborn children. Are you stupid as well as morally bankrupt?


Are YOU SURE you're a doctor?

Well, doctor of *what?
Could be of one of those laughable, jack off disciplines like "theology."
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
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"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 05:56:32 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Dr. Tom Snyder in episode
<e9KdnbGGseHxnAjZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com>...

Fetuses are unborn children.

In your ill informed opinion.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.



User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 05:15:08 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children;

A lie right from the start - No reason to read any further.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 01:45:11 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts

A lot, considering that we care about the
woman's life and future more than a bunch of
undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro-
lifers', on the other hand, don't give a damn
what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours.
--
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BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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User: "Dr. Tom Snyder"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 02:10:59 AM
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GPqdnVfkn_XpawnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts


A lot, considering that we care about the
woman's life and future more than a bunch of
undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro-
lifers', on the other hand, don't give a damn
what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do not
bear false witness." There are thousands of Christian charities that help
the poor, and thousands of private Christian schools and Christians in
government education, who help poor children and other people after they're
born and even help people get scholarships at private schools and colleges
to improve their lives. I know many pro-life Christians who help children in
a multitude of ways.
I knew you morally challenged hypocrites couldn't answer the problem.
Because atheism is morally bankrupt.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 05:16:41 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net>
snip


That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do not
bear false witness."

Hey, dipshit. In case you haven't noticed, you're in alt.atheism. What
god? Have any proof it exists? No?
Then buzz off.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 19 Jun 2006 11:56:48 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net>
snip



That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do not
bear false witness."

Which god? The christian one?
Have any evidence it actually exists?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
.

User: "Josh Miles"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 02:20:52 AM
Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GPqdnVfkn_XpawnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts

A lot, considering that we care about the
woman's life and future more than a bunch of
undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro-
lifers', on the other hand, don't give a damn
what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do not
bear false witness." There are thousands of Christian charities that help
the poor, and thousands of private Christian schools and Christians in
government education, who help poor children and other people after they're
born and even help people get scholarships at private schools and colleges
to improve their lives. I know many pro-life Christians who help children in
a multitude of ways.

I knew you morally challenged hypocrites couldn't answer the problem.
Because atheism is morally bankrupt.

Why, then, are most American prisoners theists? Why, then, do we see
higher rates of crime in the more religious countries than in the more
secular countries?
.
User: "Dr. Tom Snyder"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 02:41:54 AM
"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:PbGdnQDMIa5TYwnZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@sigecom.net...

Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GPqdnVfkn_XpawnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen.

Diane

Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts

A lot, considering that we care about the
woman's life and future more than a bunch of
undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro-
lifers', on the other hand, don't give a damn
what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do

not

bear false witness." There are thousands of Christian charities that

help

the poor, and thousands of private Christian schools and Christians in
government education, who help poor children and other people after

they're

born and even help people get scholarships at private schools and

colleges

to improve their lives. I know many pro-life Christians who help

children in

a multitude of ways.

I knew you morally challenged hypocrites couldn't answer the problem.
Because atheism is morally bankrupt.


Why, then, are most American prisoners theists? Why, then, do we see
higher rates of crime in the more religious countries than in the more
secular countries?

I don't believe you.
Besides, America is not a homogenous country; it has a high rate of
uncommitted believers as well as a growing underclass whose growth is
encouraged by liberals, including liberals posing as Christian theists (like
Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy) but who are not that committed to their belief
or to the Bible. Furthermore, there are Christian ministries and Muslim
ministries in American prisons, so there may be many who profess to believe
in God there, some of whom may do that to appear as model prisoners so they
can get paroled earlier.
Jesus Christ in fact predicts that there are many who call on His name but
do not follow him. That doesn't excuse the atheist, or the Buddhist, the
liberal or the Hindu, who supports abortion.
.
User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 05:17:22 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net>
snip


Jesus Christ in fact predicts that there are many who call on His name but
do not follow him.

Who? Have any extra-biblical evidence such a person existed?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 19 Jun 2006 11:57:32 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net>
snip

Jesus Christ in fact predicts that there are many who call on His name but
do not follow him. That doesn't excuse the atheist, or the Buddhist, the
liberal or the Hindu, who supports abortion.

Whatever, chuckles. No one in this newsgroup is interested in your *****
religion.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
.

User: "Phÿltêr"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 19 Jun 2006 08:07:03 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> had me ROTFL with:
news:C_6dnfnvCLnengjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com:

Why, then, are most American prisoners theists? Why, then, do we see
higher rates of crime in the more religious countries than in the more
secular countries?


I don't believe you.

Your disbelief changes NOTHING!


Besides, America is not a homogenous country; it has a high rate of
uncommitted believers as well as a growing underclass whose growth is
encouraged by liberals, including liberals posing as Christian theists
(like Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy)

Gee, "bigotry" courses through your fucking veins and arteries, don't it...
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
.

User: "Vlad Dracul ."

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 05:14:01 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:C_6dnfnvCLnengjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com...

"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:PbGdnQDMIa5TYwnZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@sigecom.net...

Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GPqdnVfkn_XpawnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen.

Diane

Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts

A lot, considering that we care about the
woman's life and future more than a bunch of
undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro-
lifers', on the other hand, don't give a damn
what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do

not

bear false witness." There are thousands of Christian charities that

help

the poor, and thousands of private Christian schools and Christians in
government education, who help poor children and other people after

they're

born and even help people get scholarships at private schools and

colleges

to improve their lives. I know many pro-life Christians who help

children in

a multitude of ways.

I knew you morally challenged hypocrites couldn't answer the problem.
Because atheism is morally bankrupt.


Why, then, are most American prisoners theists? Why, then, do we see
higher rates of crime in the more religious countries than in the more
secular countries?


I don't believe you.

Oh boy, I must intervene:
"Religious zeal has been cited as a source of national and international
problems, ranging from homicide, hate crime, and terrorism to genocide and
ethnic cleansing."
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2006/2006-7.html
" [15] A few hundred years ago rates of homicide were astronomical in
Christian Europe and the American colonies (Beeghley; R. Lane). In all
secular developed democracies a centuries long-term trend has seen homicide
rates drop to historical lows (Figure 2). The especially low rates in the
more Catholic European states are statistical noise due to yearly
fluctuations incidental to this sample, and are not consistently present in
other similar tabulations (Barcley and Tavares). Despite a significant
decline from a recent peak in the 1980s (Rosenfeld), the U.S. is the only
prosperous democracy that retains high homicide rates, making it a strong
outlier in this regard (Beeghley; Doyle, 2000). Similarly, theistic Portugal
also has rates of homicides well above the secular developed democracy
norm."
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high
murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide, according to
research published today.
According to the study, belief in and worship of God are not only
unnecessary for a healthy society but may actually contribute to social
problems.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html
http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/religious_addiction.htm

Besides, America is not a homogenous country; it has a high rate of
uncommitted believers as well as a growing underclass whose growth is
encouraged by liberals, including liberals posing as Christian theists
(like
Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy) but who are not that committed to their
belief
or to the Bible. Furthermore, there are Christian ministries and Muslim
ministries in American prisons, so there may be many who profess to
believe
in God there, some of whom may do that to appear as model prisoners so
they
can get paroled earlier.

Jesus Christ in fact predicts that there are many who call on His name but
do not follow him. That doesn't excuse the atheist, or the Buddhist, the
liberal or the Hindu, who supports abortion.

That's right! The majority of self-described theists are liars and
hypocrites. Why should we believe you are different? And if you were, how
would you be better than them? After all, religion is nothing less than a
crime syndicate. See above links to support this statement.
.

User: "DarkAngel"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 10:09:09 AM
Dr. Tom Snyder a =E9crit :

Jesus Christ in fact

is a rotting, maggot-eaten corpse. If he ever existed at all.
.

User: "Josh Miles"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 03:09:31 PM
Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:PbGdnQDMIa5TYwnZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@sigecom.net...

Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GPqdnVfkn_XpawnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen.

Diane

Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts

A lot, considering that we care about the
woman's life and future more than a bunch of
undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro-
lifers', on the other hand, don't give a damn
what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do

not

bear false witness." There are thousands of Christian charities that

help

the poor, and thousands of private Christian schools and Christians in
government education, who help poor children and other people after

they're

born and even help people get scholarships at private schools and

colleges

to improve their lives. I know many pro-life Christians who help

children in

a multitude of ways.

I knew you morally challenged hypocrites couldn't answer the problem.
Because atheism is morally bankrupt.

Why, then, are most American prisoners theists? Why, then, do we see
higher rates of crime in the more religious countries than in the more
secular countries?


I don't believe you.

It doesn't matter if you believe me or not. It's a fact. Nice try, though.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 06:01:38 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Dr. Tom Snyder in episode
<C_6dnfnvCLnengjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@adelphia.com>...

"Josh Miles" <no@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:PbGdnQDMIa5TYwnZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@sigecom.net...

Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GPqdnVfkn_XpawnZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen.

Diane

Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts

A lot, considering that we care about the woman's life and future
more than a bunch of undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro- lifers', on the other
hand, don't give a damn what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd
say that the morality is all on our side, not yours. --
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


That's a baldfaced lie, and an outright violation of God's command "Do

not

bear false witness." There are thousands of Christian charities that

help

the poor, and thousands of private Christian schools and Christians in
government education, who help poor children and other people after

they're

born and even help people get scholarships at private schools and

colleges

to improve their lives. I know many pro-life Christians who help

children in

a multitude of ways.

I knew you morally challenged hypocrites couldn't answer the problem.
Because atheism is morally bankrupt.


Why, then, are most American prisoners theists? Why, then, do we see
higher rates of crime in the more religious countries than in the more
secular countries?


I don't believe you.

Who gives a ***** what you believe?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.



User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 06:01:09 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Dr. Tom Snyder in episode
<Q-WdnZGGDvyfYQnZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@adelphia.com>...

I knew you morally challenged hypocrites couldn't answer the problem.
Because atheism is morally bankrupt.

And here we go. You just came here to masturbate your ego in our faces...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 07:07:15 AM
Michelle Malkin wrote:

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts


A lot, considering that we care about the
woman's life and future more than a bunch of
undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro-
lifers', on the other hand, don't give a damn
what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^

Those that call themselves pro-life are actually pro-birth. Once
they're born they couldn't care less. If you're pre-born you're
sacred, if you're pre-school you're screwed.
nafc
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 07:56:37 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, nafc in episode
<1150632435.416477.304070@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...


Michelle Malkin wrote:

"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen.
Diane Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen.
Ted Kennedy are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts


A lot, considering that we care about the woman's life and future more
than a bunch of undifferentiated cells that might just possibly
eventually become a baby. You so-called 'pro- lifers', on the other
hand, don't give a damn what happens to a baby once it's born. I'd say
that the morality is all on our side, not yours. --
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa
list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^


Those that call themselves pro-life are actually pro-birth.

Not even that. They're pro "punish bad girls for having sex."

Once they're
born they couldn't care less. If you're pre-born you're sacred, if you're
pre-school you're screwed.

--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.



User: "Steve O"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 05:03:05 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

Atheism has nothing to do with morality, no matter how much you presume it
does.
There are moral atheists as well as immoral atheists (whatever you presume
immorality to be) just as there moral theists and immoral theists.
As for your original question - as an atheist, I am uncomfortable with
abortion.
It is not something I would personally do, or would like to become involved
in.
I am also uncomfortable with late abortions, and I believe that the point
where the potential child is able to survive unaided outside the mother
should be a cut off point for any abortion.
However, having said that, if there are valid reasons for a woman wanting to
have a termination, and the stage of development of the foetus was such
that it could not be considered viable as a human being, then I don't think
it is for me to dictate what that woman does with her own body.
You really should try to stop thinking about atheists as all having the same
opinion.
There is only one thing which all atheists totally agree upon - and it isn't
the subject of abortion.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"
.

User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 01:41:28 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

It says that since no children are killed, your whole point is complete
*****.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 02:29:54 AM
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:41:28 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <lYmdnV_f_M0EaAnZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@io.com>


"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?


It says that since no children are killed, your whole point is complete
*****.

A British study suggests the Roman Catholic Church-approved "rhythm
method" may kill more embryos than other methods of contraception,
including abortion.
http://press.psprings.co.uk/jme/june/355_me13920.pdf
http://www.physorg.com/news67783446.html
--
.
User: "Dr. Tom Snyder"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 03:17:15 AM
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:650a9212hj5db7s32cm0lsfqp8jn6oe4j4@4ax.com...

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:41:28 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <lYmdnV_f_M0EaAnZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@io.com>


"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen.

Diane

Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?


It says that since no children are killed, your whole point is complete
*****.


A British study suggests the Roman Catholic Church-approved "rhythm
method" may kill more embryos than other methods of contraception,
including abortion.

http://press.psprings.co.uk/jme/june/355_me13920.pdf
http://www.physorg.com/news67783446.html

--

This is a highly specious study that requires a number of assumptions to
accomplish. Thus, it cannot be confirmed as a probable or likely
possibility. Thus, since it has not been proven that the R method actually
does kill more embryos than other methods of conception, you cannot argue
that position. Furthermore, as it now stands, the intention of the rhythm
method is not to kill unborn children, or even fertilized eggs.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 06:02:34 AM
Previously, on alt.atheism, Dr. Tom Snyder in episode
<bd-dnZ-rXeYTlgjZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@adelphia.com>...

"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in message
news:650a9212hj5db7s32cm0lsfqp8jn6oe4j4@4ax.com...

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:41:28 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <lYmdnV_f_M0EaAnZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@io.com>


"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen.

Diane

Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted

Kennedy

are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?


It says that since no children are killed, your whole point is complete
*****.


A British study suggests the Roman Catholic Church-approved "rhythm
method" may kill more embryos than other methods of contraception,
including abortion.

http://press.psprings.co.uk/jme/june/355_me13920.pdf
http://www.physorg.com/news67783446.html

--


This is a highly specious study that requires a number of assumptions to
accomplish. Thus, it cannot be confirmed as a probable or likely
possibility. Thus, since it has not been proven that the R method actually
does kill more embryos than other methods of conception, you cannot argue
that position. Furthermore, as it now stands, the intention of the rhythm
method is not to kill unborn children, or even fertilized eggs.

Translation:
"Don't bother me with any facts that contradict what I believe because, as
you know, I *am god!"
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
.




User: "Vlad Dracul ."

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 04:19:43 AM
"Dr. Tom Snyder" <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:kvCdnXvHAPtwbwnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

We are all pro-life, the life of the mother! When there's a conflict between
a pregnant woman and the fetus inside her, we prefer to preserve the already
existing life of the woman. A fetus is not yet a baby or child, contrary to
your misconception. The fetus is a *potential* life, which under certain
conditions could develop into a human being. One of these conditions is the
mother's willingness and ability to carry the pregnancy.
Nobody likes having an abortion, it is an unfortunate event, but it is
necessary sometimes to protect an existing life against a harmful potential
life. Call it self-defense if you will. You wouldn't enjoy killing an
attacker who threatens your life, but you would do it if you had to. Would
that make you a killer? Nope, it is legally and morally right to defend
yourself.
A woman who had just given birth and kills her baby is surely guilty of
murder, what about one who has an abortion shortly before the baby is due?
That may be murder too, depending on the development status of the fetus.
The key issue is, where do we draw the line? When does abortion become
murder? I would draw the line at the time when the fetus becomes capable of
surviving outside the mother's womb.
Where do YOU draw that line? Have you ever masturbated, worn a condom or for
any reason ejaculated outside a vagina? Have you ever had intercourse with a
woman who wasn't fertile? You may be a baby killer by your own standards.

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the
morality
of most atheists?

ts

Let me tell you about the Christian morality, your bible says: "Be fruitful
and multiply". Then your Christian president decides there's an
overpopulation crisis and wipes out a few million people.
He says: "Don't have abortions, let them live for a few years and then I'll
send them to the gallows". Have you ever thought that unwanted babies are
more likely to become criminals and end up on death row? Isn't abortion more
humane when seen from this perspective? Could an abortion save the life of
an innocent victim, or more?
If Barbara Bush had just one abortion, 3,000 Americans who died on 9/11,
plus 2,500 American soldiers who died in Iraq, plus well over 100,000
innocent Iraqis would be still alive today.
One abortion could save many lives!
Forget the atheist morality, where the ***** is yours?
.

User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 06:40:01 AM
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"Dr. Tom Snyder" wrote:

Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians like Sen. Diane
Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
are baby killers.

Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?

What a stupid question, never heard of 'humanists' a good many, like me, are
atheistic.
your imaginary invisible god HAS NO monopoly on good decent behavior, you know



If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the morality
of most atheists?

ts

www.movieguide.org

www.answers.org

www.equip.org

http://www.movieguide.org/index.php?s=articles&id=112

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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Abortion kills innocent children; pro-choice politicians
like Sen. Diane
<br>Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and Sen. Ted Kennedy
<br>are baby killers.
<p>Are there any pro-life atheists who oppose abortion on demand?</blockquote>
What a stupid question, never heard of 'humanists' a good many, like me,
are atheistic.
<p>your imaginary invisible god HAS NO monopoly on good decent behavior,
you know
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<p>If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the morality
<br>of most atheists?
<p>ts
<p>www.movieguide.org
<p>www.answers.org
<p>www.equip.org
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.

User: "Scott Richter"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 05:05:50 PM
Dr. Tom Snyder <titus213@adelphia.net> wrote:

If their numbers are low, what does that say about atheism and the morality
of most atheists?

Nothing, because you obviously have confused morality with mythology.
.

User: "Pastor Kutchie"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 03:59:59 AM
Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

Abortion kills innocent children;

Ever seen a foetus with a colouring book?
.

User: "Josh Miles"

Title: Re: Are There Any Pro-Life Atheists? 18 Jun 2006 02:05:06 AM
Dr. Tom Snyder wrote:

Abortion kills innocent children;

False. No children are killed.
<rest of ***** snipped>
.


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