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"Bill, The Avender" |
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02 Oct 2003 11:12:52 AM |
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Are there no freethinking theists? |
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
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L8r,
Avender
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Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
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| User: "Appelonius" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 02:49:09 PM |
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"Bill, The Avender" <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:3f7e4bc5.6623863@newsgroups.bellsouth.net...
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
Never heard of it - was it founded by atheists? Maybe the station only
allows atheist views. (I'm not making that accusation, I'm just looking at
the possibilities)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
06 Oct 2003 11:21:14 AM |
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"Bill, The Avender" wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
There are freethinker theists. Most of them go by the name "Unitarian
Universalist" :-P
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "Eric Pepke" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
04 Oct 2003 03:51:19 AM |
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(Bill, The Avender) wrote in message news:<3f7e4bc5.6623863@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>...
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
Martin Gardner is as close to a freethinker as I think it's possible
to get. He's also a theist. I'm sure they'd love to have him come
on and do an hour for free.
On the other hand, maybe that's not what you're expecting. I
note this phrase: "perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives."
Since there really is no definite thing as an "atheist perspective"
about anything other than belief in God, what exactly do you
mean by that?
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| User: "An Evil Meme" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 09:33:39 PM |
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Subject: Are there no freethinking theists?
From: (Bill, The Avender)
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with
that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
L8r,
Avender
If you count Deists as a form of Theists I'd say yes a theist could be a
freethinker.
-Meme
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
06 Oct 2003 11:30:11 AM |
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An Evil Meme wrote:
Subject: Are there no freethinking theists?
From: (Bill, The Avender)
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with
that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
L8r,
Avender
If you count Deists as a form of Theists I'd say yes a theist could be a
freethinker.
Merriam-Webster uses deism as the example of freethought: http://www.m-w.com
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "Dick C" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
05 Oct 2003 11:32:14 AM |
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Bill, The Avender wrote in alt.atheism
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
Atheism is more of an effect of freethinking.
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L8r,
Avender
- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - --
Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - --
--
***** #1349
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
Andre Gide, French author and critic (1869-1951).
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email:
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 03:11:00 PM |
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Bill, The Avender wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
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My impression is that the term "freethinker" came about as a nice way to
say "atheist".
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Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
06 Oct 2003 11:28:23 AM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Bill, The Avender wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
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My impression is that the term "freethinker" came about as a nice way to
say "atheist".
Freethought is essentially an anti-dogmatic approach to doctrinaire fields,
one that emphasizes independent evaluation and consideration rather than
tradition and "learned scholars." While usually applied to religion, it can
also apply to science; Pasteur and Einstein were able to develop -- and
demonstrate -- their theories by "thinking outside the box" and ignoring
tradition and accepted learning.
Oddly enough, most religious freethinkers become atheist. Imagine that :-P
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "*Nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 06:45:15 PM |
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In article <3f7e4bc5.6623863@newsgroups.bellsouth.net>,
(Bill, The Avender) wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
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In my opinion, no. I've met theists who strike me as being every bit as
free in their thought as I am. In particular, I think of my good friend
Stillsunny as being a free thinker. We disagree on many subjects at
times, but neither of us has ever said we believe anythig "just because."
Leastways, I think that's the case...
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 10:36:01 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:45:15 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
In my opinion, no. I've met theists who strike me as being every bit as
free in their thought as I am. In particular, I think of my good friend
Stillsunny as being a free thinker. We disagree on many subjects at
times, but neither of us has ever said we believe anythig "just because."
Leastways, I think that's the case...
You would have to use Sunny as an example. She's the least theistic
theist I've never had the pleasure of actually meeting.
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"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers, and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "*Nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
03 Oct 2003 04:14:28 AM |
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In article <njrpnvk2939i35c5b9kb6ln19765edsnn6@Pern.rk>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:45:15 GMT, *Nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
In my opinion, no. I've met theists who strike me as being every bit as
free in their thought as I am. In particular, I think of my good friend
Stillsunny as being a free thinker. We disagree on many subjects at
times, but neither of us has ever said we believe anythig "just because."
Leastways, I think that's the case...
You would have to use Sunny as an example. She's the least theistic
theist I've never had the pleasure of actually meeting.
Perhaps. But she does believe in "God," though her view of the subject
is far removed from what you usually find in the Methodist church...
{;-)
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 04:51:07 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:12:52 +0000, Bill, The Avender wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only subjects
to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are atheistic
events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives, etc... etc...
etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an atheist by
definition?
--
L8r,
Avender
- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- Common is the man who
can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection of himself.
- -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - -- - --
AFAIK, the term "freethinker" was coined to denote someone who was willing
to entertain ideas about the world and politics that did not presuppose
the existence of God. There was a time, not too long ago, when any new
idea was immediately checked for compatibility with the Holy Scriptures,
and if the clergy did not consider it to be compatible, it was rejected
outright, regardless of any positive attributes it might have.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 04:47:38 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:12:52 GMT, (Bill, The Avender)
wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
We go to quality radio sites.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 10:34:32 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:47:38 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:12:52 GMT, (Bill, The Avender)
wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
We go to quality radio sites.
To picket them?
--
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
03 Oct 2003 09:26:52 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:34:32 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>,
Message ID: <0irpnv4sinvki99m6j65a331810g49aptq@Pern.rk> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:47:38 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:12:52 GMT, (Bill, The Avender)
wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
We go to quality radio sites.
To picket them?
And firebomb and assasinate. With 'love' of course.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "TCS" |
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| Title: Re: Are there no freethinking theists? |
02 Oct 2003 01:28:16 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:12:52 GMT, Bill, The Avender <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
A dogmatic theist certainly can't be a freethinker. If one can't accept
even the possibility that there are no god or gods one can't be a
freethinker.
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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02 Oct 2003 12:41:16 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 02 Oct 2003 18:28:16 GMT, TCS
<The.Central.Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:12:52 GMT, Bill, The Avender <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
I'm listening to Freethought Radio right now. So far, the only
subjects to come up are presented by atheists, or events announced are
atheistic events, perspectives delivered are atheist perspectives,
etc... etc... etc... What's up with that? Must a freethinker be an
atheist by definition?
A dogmatic theist certainly can't be a freethinker. If one can't accept
even the possibility that there are no god or gods one can't be a
freethinker.
I kinda' figured that kind of theist wouldn't qualify. But there are
plenty of non-dogmatic theists that I thought surely could fit the
bill. :-\
--
L8r,
Avender
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Common is the man who can be fashioned into a
reflection of the era in which he lives.
Rare is the man who can take the era in which
he lives, and fashion it into a reflection
of himself.
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