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User: "Martin Willett"
Date: 10 Sep 2003 10:10:10 AM
Object: Are you missing out?
OK, shameless plug for my forum
http://pub157.ezboard.com/bmememachineforum
that you might find interesting. Here are some random quotes:
Blasphemy, sodomy and recreational drugs seem to be good places to start.
Perhaps not all at the same time.
What's the difference between a duck, is, as far as I am aware, an Enid
Blyton joke.
Ugh....I can feel my ***** shriveling up at the thought.
I don't know that I've ever seen an ugly one. Some are hairier than others.
Some have lips that fold out like a flower opening (which is a very
welcoming sight, I might add). Some have a big clitoris on top, others are
small. But they all look pretty good to me. They're just different from each
other, that's all.
Good buttocks, in my opinion, are round and firm, and can be scooped up into
the palm without oozing much through the fingers.
I'd be quite happy to have sex with a horse if I could be sure that he was
consenting.
Well those are the two options I wanted to discuss in this instance,
basically is bestiality more or less abhorrent than eating meat to a
vegetarian, someone who already has an obvious issue with the misuse of
animals by humans? The question would be pretty redundant if it was phrased
"Sex movie or living in a paddock and loved by Cynthia aged twelve"
Again? It's a bit like comparing murder to rape, isn't it? There's just
something about actually eating meat that I suppose I find much more
abhorrent to shagging a non-human animal. Although at the same time, if
presented with a man eating a hotdog and man screwing a chicken, I would
probably form an immediate negative opinion of the chicken-screwer and not
the hotdog eater.
Actually, i was considering an entry into something designed as an outgo.
I've experienced it, and can't imagine it being pleasureable even if the
doctor was attractive and bought me dinner first.
A late breaking news release from the land of the long white cloud...New
Zealanders have today declared that their scientists have discovered two new
uses for sheep...Mutton and wool.
A Faithful Copy does not indicate a belief that the Xerox machine was
legally bonded with the paper.
After a vasectomy, you're still possibly 'fertile' for up to six weeks
after. Stuff that's been produced, but not removed from stock. So, they test
at 6 weeks and again two weeks after that. If you're still fertile at either
test, it isn't really reason to worry, yet, it might still be pre-surgery
sperm. But i really hate makeup exams, so for the 6 weeks after my surgery,
i studied hard to make sure i passed the tests the first time.
If you are male, or have one handy, and own a microscope I suggest you have
a look too, it's fascinating stuff, far more interesting than pond water.
Coke is over-rated, I prefer Dandelion and Burdock, Vimto or Tizer.
Life is too damn short. We need the 40 hour day.
Perhaps it should be supplied as standard in the two forms, impregnated into
the opposite ends of a towel would be a good plan, one marked suck me, for
leisure, and one marked bite me for use at work.
Dope - Complete inability to do anything unless wholly concentrated on one
thing, then convinced this is the best thing in the world. Makes you sleep
in too long so no good if you've got to go to work the next day. Sex
intense. Laughter hysterical.
Science-minded folk often are misunderstood as snobbish when they just 'feel
comfortable' with a 'matter of fact' style of communication. I'm constantly
being misunderstood as if I were some kind of 'know it all' when I'm so
unbelievably far from it.....(boy, did I leave myself open there.)
I'd also have the standard length to be the length of a pendulum that
oscilates at the standard time unit, call that the metre and base everything
up from that, which unfortunately would mean we had to tweak everything a
little bit from the current system, so it is never going to happen, pity
really because it would make all the sums a lot easier and it would mean
everything would be based on music and mathematics which would be cool.
Sorry Martin, do you actually buy foreskins????
Woah, how did I miss this thread? This is some funny *****.
First, if you haven't read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (that most
wholly remarkable book), DO SO NOW.
i could be supressing a lot of things....right at the moment i am supressing
a fit of the giggles....oh and my bladder.
We've told you before, don't eat flotsam or road-kill.
If a better job can be done with two hours of surgery rather than five years
of prison (at a cost similar to putting the offender up in a suite at the
Hilton) it has got to be an attractive alternative to consider.
One thing for the Brits to keep in mind: in America, you have to share a
room in college. A Cambridge grad student heard this and was a bit
baffled...."How do you have sex?"
I'm intrigued by the idea that you can write a book or make a film and
somehow kill an idea with it. If we write enough books perhaps we can remove
all possible solutions to our problems from the political agenda for all
time?
I prefer faux lesbianism, just as I prefer faux fur. I just like my men to
be real...
Yes, the guillotine and the rope certainly had the benefit of a commendably
low recidivism rate, and both could be re-used again and again.
I'm surprised that, given the vehement opposition of the religious towards
the enjoyment of sex by the unmarried, that they haven't proposed dosing the
municipal water supply with saltpetre, and offering bottled water to only
the married.
It seems certain people can object and make out an apparently valid case
that "One is too many!" or "Even one in a billion is too big a risk!" for
some things and yet at other times these kind of objections are brushed
aside. We want mobile phones so we absorb the risks, we want cars so we
absorb the risks, we want convenience foods so we absorb the risks but when
certain people see no benefit to them in taking a particular risk they can
come over all absolutist. They get squeemish at the idea of executions and
then make out that the possibility (OK, inevitability) of some injustice
makes it impossible to go along with. Can we really put things right after
putting a person in prison for twenty five years for a crime they didn't
commit? Can we pay back a man's life, health, youth and freedom? No. But
nobody regards the possibility (inevitability) of some such injustices as a
reason not to punish anybody, ever.
As the old saying goes: "Christians aren't perfect. They just want you to
be."
Of course in the old days it was easier to trust people if you thought they
thought they'd fry in Hell if they were bad.
I had an... interesting chat with Martin the other day. All I can say is
that I really had no idea, and I mean that literally. The mind boggles...
If you want good fun with farts I suggest refried beans and keeping your
jeans on when you ignite them.
I quite liked it in a pensive sort of way.....
I'd like to think of myself as the intelligent man's, thinking sex
object....
Ok, now I've got tears in my eyes. This board keeps my heart pounding. I
come back to Mr. Cheese on Atheism and penis flies on M&M. It doesn't get
any better than this!
Has anybody got any Ol' Janx Spirit?
If I wasn't attached, I'd want to have a good root with Clancy.
Indeed, many male insects have inhibitory circuits in their heads, once you
remove their heads they mate readily, but without pleasure. A similar thing
happens with the Catholic marriage ceremony.
Therefore, I maintain you cannot make a purely logical choice about whether
or not to believe in god any more than you could make the purely logical
choice as to whether or not to go insane.
I'm with you Moksha. Actually I'm with you on so many counts, I'm beginning
to wonder if I'm not sleep-posting under a different name.
I am an atheist. I am also an anti-theist; I positively dislike theism and
would like to get rid of it. I am also a non-theist, a rationalist, a
bright, a secularist, a humanist, and an infidel. Oh, and I'm an engineer;
that generally explains a lot.
Yes. I, too, believe in the awsome power of the placebo.
I long for the day when organic ricestraw sandal weaving hippies reject
accupuncture as being too mainstream and scientific. That will be a
breakthrough.
Ooh these people are scary. Are they real?
The fact that the cure seems to work should be an incentive to find out how
and why it works, not just a signal to worship the wisdom of some old crone
who happened to stumble upon something that works. We must know the hows and
the whys. That way we can get rid of the stuff that isn't necessary. Is
acupressure as good as acupuncture? If so we can get rid of the dangerous
needles. Can the points be stimulated better by other non-invasive methods?
I'd much rather get treatment from a handheld ultrasound transmitter or
something of that sort than by a needle that some "therapist" (who has done
a three week non-competitive, unexamined, course and smells suspiciously of
patchouli) assures me is clean.
The problem is in describing the logical and the analytical as 'cold'. Start
describing it as 'warm and comforting' and the prejudice may change. That's
exactly how understanding something well feels for a scientist, it is a
warm, gleaming clarity, beautiful like well cut crystal, soft like down
pillows.
I have never been presented with INFORMATION by religion. Dogma, yes.
Bullcrap, yes. Lies, yes. Doublespeak, yes. Untruth, yes. Deceit, yes. But
never any worthwhile information. Therefore, I would hardly characterize my
unbelief as "choice". It is simply logical. Could you CHOOSE to believe in
something which you recognize to have zero credibility?
Point taken (smartass)
There will be a $10 donation so please deposit, I mean, donate your money in
the basket as it passes by. Sorry, I was baptised Catholic.
I think I'd worry about a pilot who saw each landing as a choice between
safe landing or eternity in paradise.
Well, he needed dust to make the man...which is why I don't understand why
fundies get so offended at the idea that our ancestors arose from the
primordial soup or what have you...is being made of dirt that much better?
I don't belong to any religion but I have my own spiritual awareness, being
a gnostic (yes, two words). I certainly don't regard God (for want of a
better word, and I feel the need to capitalise it) as thinking, feeling,
observing, judging, manipulating, interfering or anything else apart from
being (or perhaps even Being): a benign presence.
I use metaphors? Cool. Most people just say i'm talking out my *****. Thanks!
HEY! MOM! I use METAPHORS!
Members of other species ***** each other over in competition for resources
but at least they don't come up with ideologies in direct contradiction of
their behavior, or that they use to justify it...maybe that's why people irk
me so much. At some point I got the idea that sentient beings (whatever that
means) should behave better...
Can you visualize a nude mother Teresa?
People who speculate are not labelled as fools, it is people who insist on
the truth of this entirely baseless claim who are. The common thread here is
people who believe stuff without there being any evidence for it; and the
accompanying contention that said evidence-free belief is somehow laudable.
I never quite understood the whole tooth fairy thing, even when I was small
enough to believe everything my mother told me. I don't count that as good
for me, or a slight against her powers of explanation, it's just that the
idea is too stupid. As for christians, they seem able to believe all sorts
of ***** that nobody in their right minds would bother with (while at the
same time being patronizing or contemptuous towards believers of other
religions, many of which make more sense than christianity).
so not going there.
Too much sun, too much smiling, too much empathizing with the plight of the
poor, that will make you a prune. Stay indoors, don't laugh, don't empathize
and you should be OK. So, a good long term strategy for having a well
preserved wife who looks attractive into her later years might be to find a
young woman who works for the Department of Social Security...
understanding masturbation needs of women-showerhose, showerhose,
showerhose.
Excuse me, tall gentleman, can you direct me to a bottle of red that will
make my tongue go black? Ideally it should make me drunk very quickly
without an excessive hangover, taste vaguely of fermented grapes and come
from a country I know how to spell. I have, err, £3.50 but I want some
chocolate too so go easy on the price, OK?
....but it's one hell of a roller-coaster ride we're all on, isn't it?
http://pub157.ezboard.com/bmememachineforum
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
.

User: "Mekkala"

Title: Re: Are you missing out? 10 Sep 2003 11:50:29 AM
On 10 Sep 2003, "Martin Willett" <martinjwillett@hotmail.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:bjneuk$l15tk$1@ID-186584.news.uni-berlin.de:

OK, shameless plug for my forum

http://pub157.ezboard.com/bmememachineforum

that you might find interesting. Here are some random quotes:

Blasphemy, sodomy and recreational drugs seem to be good places to
start. Perhaps not all at the same time.

What's the difference between a duck, is, as far as I am aware, an
Enid Blyton joke.

Ugh....I can feel my ***** shriveling up at the thought.

I don't know that I've ever seen an ugly one. Some are hairier than
others. Some have lips that fold out like a flower opening (which is a
very welcoming sight, I might add). Some have a big clitoris on top,
others are small. But they all look pretty good to me. They're just
different from each other, that's all.

Good buttocks, in my opinion, are round and firm, and can be scooped
up into the palm without oozing much through the fingers.

I'd be quite happy to have sex with a horse if I could be sure that he
was consenting.

Well those are the two options I wanted to discuss in this instance,
basically is bestiality more or less abhorrent than eating meat to a
vegetarian, someone who already has an obvious issue with the misuse
of animals by humans? The question would be pretty redundant if it was
phrased "Sex movie or living in a paddock and loved by Cynthia aged
twelve"

Again? It's a bit like comparing murder to rape, isn't it? There's
just something about actually eating meat that I suppose I find much
more abhorrent to shagging a non-human animal. Although at the same
time, if presented with a man eating a hotdog and man screwing a
chicken, I would probably form an immediate negative opinion of the
chicken-screwer and not the hotdog eater.

Actually, i was considering an entry into something designed as an
outgo. I've experienced it, and can't imagine it being pleasureable
even if the doctor was attractive and bought me dinner first.

A late breaking news release from the land of the long white
cloud...New Zealanders have today declared that their scientists have
discovered two new uses for sheep...Mutton and wool.

A Faithful Copy does not indicate a belief that the Xerox machine was
legally bonded with the paper.

After a vasectomy, you're still possibly 'fertile' for up to six weeks
after. Stuff that's been produced, but not removed from stock. So,
they test at 6 weeks and again two weeks after that. If you're still
fertile at either test, it isn't really reason to worry, yet, it might
still be pre-surgery sperm. But i really hate makeup exams, so for the
6 weeks after my surgery, i studied hard to make sure i passed the
tests the first time.

If you are male, or have one handy, and own a microscope I suggest you
have a look too, it's fascinating stuff, far more interesting than
pond water.

Coke is over-rated, I prefer Dandelion and Burdock, Vimto or Tizer.

Life is too damn short. We need the 40 hour day.

Perhaps it should be supplied as standard in the two forms,
impregnated into the opposite ends of a towel would be a good plan,
one marked suck me, for leisure, and one marked bite me for use at
work.

Dope - Complete inability to do anything unless wholly concentrated on
one thing, then convinced this is the best thing in the world. Makes
you sleep in too long so no good if you've got to go to work the next
day. Sex intense. Laughter hysterical.

Science-minded folk often are misunderstood as snobbish when they just
'feel comfortable' with a 'matter of fact' style of communication. I'm
constantly being misunderstood as if I were some kind of 'know it all'
when I'm so unbelievably far from it.....(boy, did I leave myself open
there.)

I'd also have the standard length to be the length of a pendulum that
oscilates at the standard time unit, call that the metre and base
everything up from that, which unfortunately would mean we had to
tweak everything a little bit from the current system, so it is never
going to happen, pity really because it would make all the sums a lot
easier and it would mean everything would be based on music and
mathematics which would be cool.

Sorry Martin, do you actually buy foreskins????

Woah, how did I miss this thread? This is some funny *****.

First, if you haven't read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (that
most wholly remarkable book), DO SO NOW.

i could be supressing a lot of things....right at the moment i am
supressing a fit of the giggles....oh and my bladder.

We've told you before, don't eat flotsam or road-kill.

If a better job can be done with two hours of surgery rather than five
years of prison (at a cost similar to putting the offender up in a
suite at the Hilton) it has got to be an attractive alternative to
consider.

One thing for the Brits to keep in mind: in America, you have to share
a room in college. A Cambridge grad student heard this and was a bit
baffled...."How do you have sex?"

I'm intrigued by the idea that you can write a book or make a film and
somehow kill an idea with it. If we write enough books perhaps we can
remove all possible solutions to our problems from the political
agenda for all time?

I prefer faux lesbianism, just as I prefer faux fur. I just like my
men to be real...

Yes, the guillotine and the rope certainly had the benefit of a
commendably low recidivism rate, and both could be re-used again and
again.

I'm surprised that, given the vehement opposition of the religious
towards the enjoyment of sex by the unmarried, that they haven't
proposed dosing the municipal water supply with saltpetre, and
offering bottled water to only the married.

It seems certain people can object and make out an apparently valid
case that "One is too many!" or "Even one in a billion is too big a
risk!" for some things and yet at other times these kind of objections
are brushed aside. We want mobile phones so we absorb the risks, we
want cars so we absorb the risks, we want convenience foods so we
absorb the risks but when certain people see no benefit to them in
taking a particular risk they can come over all absolutist. They get
squeemish at the idea of executions and then make out that the
possibility (OK, inevitability) of some injustice makes it impossible
to go along with. Can we really put things right after putting a
person in prison for twenty five years for a crime they didn't commit?
Can we pay back a man's life, health, youth and freedom? No. But
nobody regards the possibility (inevitability) of some such injustices
as a reason not to punish anybody, ever.

As the old saying goes: "Christians aren't perfect. They just want you
to be."

Of course in the old days it was easier to trust people if you thought
they thought they'd fry in Hell if they were bad.

I had an... interesting chat with Martin the other day. All I can say
is that I really had no idea, and I mean that literally. The mind
boggles...

If you want good fun with farts I suggest refried beans and keeping
your jeans on when you ignite them.

I quite liked it in a pensive sort of way.....

I'd like to think of myself as the intelligent man's, thinking sex
object....

Ok, now I've got tears in my eyes. This board keeps my heart pounding.
I come back to Mr. Cheese on Atheism and penis flies on M&M. It
doesn't get any better than this!

Has anybody got any Ol' Janx Spirit?

If I wasn't attached, I'd want to have a good root with Clancy.

Indeed, many male insects have inhibitory circuits in their heads,
once you remove their heads they mate readily, but without pleasure. A
similar thing happens with the Catholic marriage ceremony.

Therefore, I maintain you cannot make a purely logical choice about
whether or not to believe in god any more than you could make the
purely logical choice as to whether or not to go insane.

I'm with you Moksha. Actually I'm with you on so many counts, I'm
beginning to wonder if I'm not sleep-posting under a different name.

I am an atheist. I am also an anti-theist; I positively dislike theism
and would like to get rid of it. I am also a non-theist, a
rationalist, a bright, a secularist, a humanist, and an infidel. Oh,
and I'm an engineer; that generally explains a lot.

Yes. I, too, believe in the awsome power of the placebo.

I long for the day when organic ricestraw sandal weaving hippies
reject accupuncture as being too mainstream and scientific. That will
be a breakthrough.

Ooh these people are scary. Are they real?

The fact that the cure seems to work should be an incentive to find
out how and why it works, not just a signal to worship the wisdom of
some old crone who happened to stumble upon something that works. We
must know the hows and the whys. That way we can get rid of the stuff
that isn't necessary. Is acupressure as good as acupuncture? If so we
can get rid of the dangerous needles. Can the points be stimulated
better by other non-invasive methods? I'd much rather get treatment
from a handheld ultrasound transmitter or something of that sort than
by a needle that some "therapist" (who has done a three week
non-competitive, unexamined, course and smells suspiciously of
patchouli) assures me is clean.

The problem is in describing the logical and the analytical as 'cold'.
Start describing it as 'warm and comforting' and the prejudice may
change. That's exactly how understanding something well feels for a
scientist, it is a warm, gleaming clarity, beautiful like well cut
crystal, soft like down pillows.

I have never been presented with INFORMATION by religion. Dogma, yes.
Bullcrap, yes. Lies, yes. Doublespeak, yes. Untruth, yes. Deceit, yes.
But never any worthwhile information. Therefore, I would hardly
characterize my unbelief as "choice". It is simply logical. Could you
CHOOSE to believe in something which you recognize to have zero
credibility?

Point taken (smartass)

There will be a $10 donation so please deposit, I mean, donate your
money in the basket as it passes by. Sorry, I was baptised Catholic.

I think I'd worry about a pilot who saw each landing as a choice
between safe landing or eternity in paradise.

Well, he needed dust to make the man...which is why I don't understand
why fundies get so offended at the idea that our ancestors arose from
the primordial soup or what have you...is being made of dirt that much
better?

I don't belong to any religion but I have my own spiritual awareness,
being a gnostic (yes, two words). I certainly don't regard God (for
want of a better word, and I feel the need to capitalise it) as
thinking, feeling, observing, judging, manipulating, interfering or
anything else apart from being (or perhaps even Being): a benign
presence.

I use metaphors? Cool. Most people just say i'm talking out my *****.
Thanks! HEY! MOM! I use METAPHORS!

Members of other species ***** each other over in competition for
resources but at least they don't come up with ideologies in direct
contradiction of their behavior, or that they use to justify
it...maybe that's why people irk me so much. At some point I got the
idea that sentient beings (whatever that means) should behave
better...

Can you visualize a nude mother Teresa?

People who speculate are not labelled as fools, it is people who
insist on the truth of this entirely baseless claim who are. The
common thread here is people who believe stuff without there being any
evidence for it; and the accompanying contention that said
evidence-free belief is somehow laudable.

I never quite understood the whole tooth fairy thing, even when I was
small enough to believe everything my mother told me. I don't count
that as good for me, or a slight against her powers of explanation,
it's just that the idea is too stupid. As for christians, they seem
able to believe all sorts of ***** that nobody in their right minds
would bother with (while at the same time being patronizing or
contemptuous towards believers of other religions, many of which make
more sense than christianity).

so not going there.

Too much sun, too much smiling, too much empathizing with the plight
of the poor, that will make you a prune. Stay indoors, don't laugh,
don't empathize and you should be OK. So, a good long term strategy
for having a well preserved wife who looks attractive into her later
years might be to find a young woman who works for the Department of
Social Security...

understanding masturbation needs of women-showerhose, showerhose,
showerhose.

Excuse me, tall gentleman, can you direct me to a bottle of red that
will make my tongue go black? Ideally it should make me drunk very
quickly without an excessive hangover, taste vaguely of fermented
grapes and come from a country I know how to spell. I have, err, £3.50
but I want some chocolate too so go easy on the price, OK?

...but it's one hell of a roller-coaster ride we're all on, isn't it?

http://pub157.ezboard.com/bmememachineforum


Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/



*raises eyebrows*
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
.
User: "Martin Willett"

Title: Re: Are you missing out? 10 Sep 2003 04:11:06 PM
"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93F279E43EB44Mekkala@199.45.49.11...

On 10 Sep 2003, "Martin Willett" <martinjwillett@hotmail.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:bjneuk$l15tk$1@ID-186584.news.uni-berlin.de:

OK, shameless plug for my forum

http://pub157.ezboard.com/bmememachineforum

<snip!>

...but it's one hell of a roller-coaster ride we're all on, isn't it?

http://pub157.ezboard.com/bmememachineforum


Martin Willett

http://mwillett.org/




*raises eyebrows*

Indeed. It's an interesting forum full of interesting people and the topics
under discussion range far and wide. It's well worth a look. If it's not for
you then that's fine, if you feel at home feel free to join in.
If you are an atheist or you enjoy arguing with atheists then it could be
just what you are looking for.
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
.



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