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17 Nov 2005 06:54:43 PM |
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Arizona Criminal Courts Use God to Punish |
Arizona Criminal Courts Use God to Punish
http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2005-11-1115-002.shtml
Send2Press (press release) - Torrance,CA,USA
.... Arizona. So much for principles like separation of Church and State.
Judge Trujillo threw the Establishment Clause out the window. ...
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Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Arizona Criminal Courts Use God to Punish |
20 Nov 2005 02:09:57 AM |
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According to the story, the judge had the latitude to sentence from 5 to 10
years for the offense. The judge chose to sentence for 10 years, which is
the max of his discretion in the matter. What's the big deal. The judge
should not have said why he elected to sentence to the max, but he did, and
he did not exceed his sentencing powers.
Perhaps the judge should have simply said that he had the ability to
sentence for up to 10 years, so that's what he was going to do, and not said
why. The story you posted does not give us the detail as to what the
sentencing considerations were, it only says that the judge set the sentence
at the max of his descretion.
Obviously, the criminal is not pleased with drawing the max sentence, but
that's what happens sometimes. You screw up and you go to jail. It appears
that the man was not sentenced for being Christian, he was sentenced to to
years because he represented himself as Christian to his victims, and they
had a reasonable expectation of certain behavior and a level of
trustworthiness that simply was not there. The guy said, in effect, I'm a
good guy and you can trust me, then he cheated. That's why the judge gave
him 10 years.
<buckeye-Elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:dfkpn1p2vof4m6g555voqnf4p3bfhhffk8@4ax.com...
Arizona Criminal Courts Use God to Punish
http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2005-11-1115-002.shtml
Send2Press (press release) - Torrance,CA,USA
... Arizona. So much for principles like separation of Church and State.
Judge Trujillo threw the Establishment Clause out the window. ...
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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