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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "BLUERHYMER"
Date: 17 Jan 2005 12:17:22 AM
Object: Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith
Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith
Released 29 December 2004
By Dr. Robin Meyers
address given by Dr. Meyers at Oklahoma University Peace Rally
November 14, 2004
As some of you know, I am minister of Mayflower Congregational Church
in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice church in
northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at Oklahoma City
University.
I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched
as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim
to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian.
We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having
swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in
moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country,
about exactly what constitutes a moral value -- I mean what are we
talking about?
Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those
in power who claim moral values are on their side:
--- Dr. Robin Meyers
--- When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a
"compassionate conservative," using the word which is the essence of
all religious faith-compassion, and then show no compassion for anyone
who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you for
help, you are doing something immoral.
--- When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a
country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act
like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God thinks
of you, you have done something immoral
--- When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if
your deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and
that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there
are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching the
faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.
--- When you live in a country that has established
international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations
on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very
rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing something
immoral.
This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of
this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only people
who can turn things around are people like you -- young people who are
just beginning to wake up to what is happening to them.It's your
country to take back. It's your faith to take back. It's your future
to take back.
Don't be afraid to speak out. Don't back down when your friends begin
to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag should be
wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep our mouths shut.
Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real Jews, and real
Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists -- so do all the faith
traditions of the world at their heart believe one thing: life is
precious. Every human being is precious. Arrogance is the opposite of
faith. Greed is the opposite of charity. And believing that one has
never made a mistake is the mark of a deluded man, not a man of faith.
And war -- war is the greatest failure of the human race -- and thus
the greatest failure of faith. There's an old rock and roll song,
whose lyrics say it all: "War, what is it good for?" And what is the
dream of the prophets? That we should study war no more, that we
should beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into pruning
hooks. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed? How many wars does it take to
know that too many people have died? What if they gave a war and
nobody came? May be one day we will find out.
Time to march again my friends. Time to commit acts of civil
disobedience. Time to sing, and to pray, and refuse to participate in
the madness. My generation finally stopped a tragic war. You can too!
More?
SEE: Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism.holysmoke/msg/e716fa74010d
90e6?dmode=source
Let us prey.
.

User: "XeNO"

Title: Re: Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith 18 Jan 2005 01:04:41 AM
"BLUERHYMER" <bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050117011722.14219.00000071@mb-m10.aol.com...

Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith
Released 29 December 2004
By Dr. Robin Meyers

address given by Dr. Meyers at Oklahoma University Peace Rally

November 14, 2004

As some of you know, I am minister of Mayflower Congregational Church
in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice church in
northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at Oklahoma City
University.

I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched
as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim
to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian.

We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having
swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in
moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country,
about exactly what constitutes a moral value -- I mean what are we
talking about?

Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those
in power who claim moral values are on their side:

--- Dr. Robin Meyers

--- When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a
"compassionate conservative," using the word which is the essence of
all religious faith-compassion, and then show no compassion for anyone
who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you for
help, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a
country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act
like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God thinks
of you, you have done something immoral

--- When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if
your deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and
that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there
are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching the
faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.

--- When you live in a country that has established
international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations
on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very
rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing something
immoral.

This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of
this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only people
who can turn things around are people like you -- young people who are
just beginning to wake up to what is happening to them.It's your
country to take back. It's your faith to take back. It's your future
to take back.

Don't be afraid to speak out. Don't back down when your friends begin
to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag should be
wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep our mouths shut.
Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real Jews, and real
Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists -- so do all the faith
traditions of the world at their heart believe one thing: life is
precious. Every human being is precious. Arrogance is the opposite of
faith. Greed is the opposite of charity. And believing that one has
never made a mistake is the mark of a deluded man, not a man of faith.

And war -- war is the greatest failure of the human race -- and thus
the greatest failure of faith. There's an old rock and roll song,
whose lyrics say it all: "War, what is it good for?" And what is the
dream of the prophets? That we should study war no more, that we
should beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into pruning
hooks. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed? How many wars does it take to
know that too many people have died? What if they gave a war and
nobody came? May be one day we will find out.

Time to march again my friends. Time to commit acts of civil
disobedience. Time to sing, and to pray, and refuse to participate in
the madness. My generation finally stopped a tragic war. You can too!

More?
SEE: Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism.holysmoke/msg/e716fa74010d
90e6?dmode=source

Let us prey.

That man is probably one of the most level-headed speakers for christianity
that I have listened to in my time.
--
"For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law
of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret
that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected
with this. "--Albert Einstein
XeNO
Order of the 8th dIgIt
aa# 1901
In order to email me privately, you must remove god from my email address,
and follow the links to get past my spam sheild.
.
User: "FreeThink"

Title: Re: Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith 18 Jan 2005 01:14:37 AM
XeNO wrote:

"BLUERHYMER" <bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20050117011722.14219.00000071@mb-m10.aol.com...

Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith
Released 29 December 2004
By Dr. Robin Meyers

address given by Dr. Meyers at Oklahoma University Peace Rally

November 14, 2004

As some of you know, I am minister of Mayflower Congregational

Church

in Oklahoma City, an Open and Affirming, Peace and Justice church

in

northwest Oklahoma City, and professor of Rhetoric at Oklahoma City
University.

I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched
as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who

claim

to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian.

We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having
swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in
moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this

country,

about exactly what constitutes a moral value -- I mean what are we
talking about?

Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with

those

in power who claim moral values are on their side:

--- Dr. Robin

Meyers


--- When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a
"compassionate conservative," using the word which is the essence

of

all religious faith-compassion, and then show no compassion for

anyone

who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you

for

help, you are doing something immoral.

--- When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a
country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act
like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God

thinks

of you, you have done something immoral

--- When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if
your deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and
that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there
are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching

the

faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.

--- When you live in a country that has established
international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations
on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the

very

rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing

something

immoral.

This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of
this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only

people

who can turn things around are people like you -- young people who

are

just beginning to wake up to what is happening to them.It's your
country to take back. It's your faith to take back. It's your

future

to take back.

Don't be afraid to speak out. Don't back down when your friends

begin

to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag should be
wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep our mouths

shut.

Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real Jews, and real
Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists -- so do all the faith
traditions of the world at their heart believe one thing: life is
precious. Every human being is precious. Arrogance is the opposite

of

faith. Greed is the opposite of charity. And believing that one has
never made a mistake is the mark of a deluded man, not a man of

faith.


And war -- war is the greatest failure of the human race -- and

thus

the greatest failure of faith. There's an old rock and roll song,
whose lyrics say it all: "War, what is it good for?" And what is

the

dream of the prophets? That we should study war no more, that we
should beat our swords into plowshares and our spears into pruning
hooks. Who would Jesus bomb, indeed? How many wars does it take to
know that too many people have died? What if they gave a war and
nobody came? May be one day we will find out.

Time to march again my friends. Time to commit acts of civil
disobedience. Time to sing, and to pray, and refuse to participate

in

the madness. My generation finally stopped a tragic war. You can

too!


More?
SEE: Arrogance is the Opposite of Faith


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.atheism.holysmoke/msg/e716fa74010d

90e6?dmode=source

Let us prey.



That man is probably one of the most level-headed speakers for

christianity

that I have listened to in my time.


--
"For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and

the law

of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open

secret

that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely

connected

with this. "--Albert Einstein
XeNO
Order of the 8th dIgIt
aa# 1901
In order to email me privately, you must remove god from my email

address,

and follow the links to get past my spam sheild.

He sounds like a Unitarian. They are about as liberal a xian as you can
find after maybe United Methodists and some Catholics. Fundies hate
them all of them.
.



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