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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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26 Jan 2004 09:46:26 PM |
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Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron Hubbard
in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy." [Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
26 Jan 2004 11:02:21 PM |
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<SNIP>
Re: subject
Take it to a porn group, bub. That sort of thing is off-topic here.
;-)
Kidding. Buhbye. :-)
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L8r,
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| User: "EAC Deputy Dir." |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
27 Jan 2004 07:16:56 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG> wrote in message
news:101bnrd6nc9p93e@corp.supernews.com...
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and
asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron Hubbard
in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a
good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy."
[Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
Fortunately, A. Clarke's (EAC #0439) opinions are not widely quoted. Former
EAC member L. Hubbard's (EAC# 0896) diabolical plan to capture fence-sitting
agnostics failed miserably when celebs were indoctrinated. 0896's sudden
disappearance was the department's attempt to quell news that 0896 had been
struck with BSE. Although 0439's quote is accurate, we're still trying to
deal with deluge of disillusioned disciples, many of which we have recruited
as operative's in the fundie movement. Shedding light on this fact may
inadvertently burden our ongoing operation.
EAC #8492 Deputy Dir. - Dept. of Happy Forcible Indoctrination
www.EvilAtheistConspiracy.com
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| User: "Wieland the Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
27 Jan 2004 03:09:07 PM |
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EAC Deputy Dir. wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG> wrote in message
news:101bnrd6nc9p93e@corp.supernews.com...
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and
asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron
Hubbard in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard
was a
good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy."
[Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
Fortunately, A. Clarke's (EAC #0439) opinions are not widely quoted.
Former EAC member L. Hubbard's (EAC# 0896) diabolical plan to capture
fence-sitting
agnostics failed miserably when celebs were indoctrinated. 0896's sudden
disappearance was the department's attempt to quell news that 0896 had
been
struck with BSE. Although 0439's quote is accurate, we're still trying to
deal with deluge of disillusioned disciples, many of which we have
recruited
as operative's in the fundie movement. Shedding light on this fact may
inadvertently burden our ongoing operation.
EAC #8492 Deputy Dir. - Dept. of Happy Forcible Indoctrination
www.EvilAtheistConspiracy.com
May I offer a better translation for your website:
- Die böse atheistische Verschwörung
- Wir sind hinter Ihren Kindern und Haustieren her
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Wieland the Smith, AA#2040, EAC: herder of the trolls
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
29 Jan 2004 10:44:24 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:09:07 +0100, Wieland the Smith
<renenospamschulz@gmx.net> ejaculated:
EAC Deputy Dir. wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG> wrote in message
news:101bnrd6nc9p93e@corp.supernews.com...
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and
asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron
Hubbard in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard
was a
good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy."
[Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
Fortunately, A. Clarke's (EAC #0439) opinions are not widely quoted.
Former EAC member L. Hubbard's (EAC# 0896) diabolical plan to capture
fence-sitting
agnostics failed miserably when celebs were indoctrinated. 0896's sudden
disappearance was the department's attempt to quell news that 0896 had
been
struck with BSE. Although 0439's quote is accurate, we're still trying to
deal with deluge of disillusioned disciples, many of which we have
recruited
as operative's in the fundie movement. Shedding light on this fact may
inadvertently burden our ongoing operation.
EAC #8492 Deputy Dir. - Dept. of Happy Forcible Indoctrination
www.EvilAtheistConspiracy.com
May I offer a better translation for your website:
- Die böse atheistische Verschwörung
- Wir sind hinter Ihren Kindern und Haustieren her
We are behind your children and housepets? I don't know what kind of
evil atheist conspiracy you're running, but I didn't read anything
about children and housepets in the literature. ;)
--
"Resurrection is for those who didn't get it right the first time."
- Otep, "Sacrilege"
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| User: "Reverend Vertigo" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
26 Jan 2004 10:14:14 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron Hubbard
in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy." [Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
Clarke's STILL kicking? I didn't even know he wasn't sick.
--
"If you're going to 'rebel' against 'The Man' and 'Fight the power,'
maybe y'oughta try doing it without a Hot Topic tag dangling from
your counterculture uniform while you are high on the best grass
money stolen from daddy's wallet can buy." - HellPope Huey
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| User: "Doktor DynaSoar" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
27 Jan 2004 08:12:25 AM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:14:14 GMT, Reverend Vertigo
<jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote:
} Fredric L. Rice wrote:
}
} > "Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
} >
} > Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and asked
} > which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron Hubbard
} > in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a good
} > writer. Here's the quote you can use...
} >
} > "I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy." [Arthur
} > C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
}
} Clarke's STILL kicking? I didn't even know he wasn't sick.
I thought he was too. I wrote a short story where he, Heinlein and
Asimov are reconstructed as virtuals in an AI, so they could think up
cool stuff to invent. Then I found out he's not. Now I gotta wait
before I submit it or they'll think I'm gonna stalk and kill him.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
27 Jan 2004 11:30:02 PM |
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Doktor DynaSoar wrote:
[snip]
I thought he was too. I wrote a short story where he, Heinlein and
Asimov are reconstructed as virtuals in an AI, so they could think up
cool stuff to invent. Then I found out he's not. Now I gotta wait
before I submit it or they'll think I'm gonna stalk and kill him.
It's not everyone who has an orbit named after him:
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/ClarkeOrbit.html
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Enkidu
AA 2165
http://www.mylinuxisp.com/~raymond/alt.atheism/who.php?w=enkidu.jpg
hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com
PGP KeyID 0xC5FEABDF
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Of all things, good sense is the most fairly distributed: everyone
thinks he is so well supplied with it that even those who are the
hardest to satisfy in every other respect never desire more of it than
they already have.
René Descartes, Discours de la Méthode. 1637.
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| User: "Doktor DynaSoar" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
28 Jan 2004 01:43:14 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:30:02 -0800, "Enkidu"
<hhe1mxo02@sneakemail.com> wrote:
} Doktor DynaSoar wrote:
}
} [snip]
}
} > I thought he was too. I wrote a short story where he, Heinlein and
} > Asimov are reconstructed as virtuals in an AI, so they could think up
} > cool stuff to invent. Then I found out he's not. Now I gotta wait
} > before I submit it or they'll think I'm gonna stalk and kill him.
}
} It's not everyone who has an orbit named after him:
}
} http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/ClarkeOrbit.html
And happily people are starting to use it again, rather than calling
it geosynch.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
28 Jan 2004 09:22:10 PM |
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Reverend Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron Hubbard
in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy." [Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
Clarke's STILL kicking? I didn't even know he wasn't sick.
It wasn't the ghost of Clarke. }:-} Azimov died, alas.
---
CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia:
http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM
And Saddam: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
"What were war crimes in 1945 is foreign policy in 2003."
Heimatsicherheitsabteilung: Bush's "Homeland Security" fascism.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
27 Jan 2004 03:57:46 AM |
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In article <101bnrd6nc9p93e@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron Hubbard
in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy." [Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
True enough. Though about his alent as a writer, I'm no longer
convinced. I read "Battlefield Earth," which was OK as a space opera
goes, but it left a lot to be desired in the suspension of disbelief
department. Then there was "Mission Earth." Eurrrgh!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
27 Jan 2004 08:57:48 PM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-E18033.04574527012004@news01.east.earthlink.net...
In article <101bnrd6nc9p93e@corp.supernews.com>,
FredR@SkepticTank.REMOVE.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
"Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and
asked
which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron
Hubbard
in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a
good
writer. Here's the quote you can use...
"I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy."
[Arthur
C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
True enough. Though about his alent as a writer, I'm no longer
convinced. I read "Battlefield Earth," which was OK as a space opera
goes, but it left a lot to be desired in the suspension of disbelief
department. Then there was "Mission Earth." Eurrrgh!
Hubbard's writing compares with what other writers did in the 30's and early
40's in science fiction. By the 50's and beyond other writers were doing
much better but his stayed the same.
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| User: "Rev. 11D Meow!" |
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28 Jan 2004 10:33:50 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote in message
news:MyFRb.123919$6y6.2443433@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Hubbard's writing compares with what other writers did in the 30's and
early
40's in science fiction. By the 50's and beyond other writers were doing
much better but his stayed the same.
Nothing keeps the attention of sheep better than being fed the same FUD
every day.
It's that consistency of reality thing that draws them to the trough.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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28 Jan 2004 04:06:25 AM |
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In article
<MyFRb.123919$6y6.2443433@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net> wrote:
True enough. Though about his alent as a writer, I'm no longer
convinced. I read "Battlefield Earth," which was OK as a space opera
goes, but it left a lot to be desired in the suspension of disbelief
department. Then there was "Mission Earth." Eurrrgh!
Hubbard's writing compares with what other writers did in the 30's and early
40's in science fiction. By the 50's and beyond other writers were doing
much better but his stayed the same.
He had othr projects to concentrate on. I think $cientology was a
full-time occupation, having to build it up from scratch.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Rev. Desertphile" |
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| Title: Re: Arthur C. Clarke on L Ron Hubbard last night |
28 Jan 2004 02:52:32 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:57:48 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
True enough. Though about his alent as a writer, I'm no longer
convinced. I read "Battlefield Earth," which was OK as a space opera
goes, but it left a lot to be desired in the suspension of disbelief
department. Then there was "Mission Earth." Eurrrgh!
Hubbard's writing compares with what other writers did in the 30's and early
40's in science fiction. By the 50's and beyond other writers were doing
much better but his stayed the same.
The "old stuff" was often what would now be called "campy." Edmond
Hamilton wrote of moving planets with rocket engines, and "evolving" a
human being in an electronic chamber (which "The Putter Limits" made
into an episode). These days this writing would probably not sell.
The major problem with Hubbard was just as you said: he stayed in the
30s and 40s. However, he had an even bigger problem: his sentence
structure more often than not was more appropreate for cartoons and
not books. In "Battlefield Earth" one finds his writing utterly
unreadable. "Doc. Methuselah" was just as bad: entire chapters where
the majority of sentences were not complete. He threw in "ZING! BANG!
THWAPPPP!" here and there in "Doc. Methuselah," with might be good for
a Batman comic book, but not a novel.
The vast majority of SciFi writers grew up: Hubbard never did.
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"To the bat tank!" --- Tank Girl
Asking a Creationist for scientific evidence is like asking a hippo to ride
a unicycle.
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| User: "Doktor DynaSoar" |
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28 Jan 2004 01:41:16 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:57:46 GMT, *nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com>
wrote:
} In article <101bnrd6nc9p93e@corp.supernews.com>,
} (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
}
} > "Jeff Jacobsen" <cultxpt@ev1.net> wrote:
} >
} > Arthur C. Clarke was on Phoenix's KFYI radio tonight. I called in and asked
} > which other sci-fi writers he hung out with, and if he knew L. Ron Hubbard
} > in particular. He said that he did know Hubbard. He said Hubbard was a good
} > writer. Here's the quote you can use...
} >
} > "I'm afraid he went crazy and turned a lot of other people crazy." [Arthur
} > C. Clarke, KFYI radio, Phoenix Arizona 8-9pm show 1/24/04]
} >
}
} True enough. Though about his alent as a writer, I'm no longer
} convinced. I read "Battlefield Earth," which was OK as a space opera
} goes, but it left a lot to be desired in the suspension of disbelief
} department. Then there was "Mission Earth." Eurrrgh!
Keep in mind he was writing at a time when Heinlein was writing stuff
best suited to boy scout magazines and Cordwainer Smith was pumping a
detailed but hardly realistic universe full of his overbearing
philosophical Chinese derived hyper-wordy mega-shirt stories.
These were the top of their field at the time, just like the von
Braun's V-2 was the top of its field, at nearly the same time frame.
Nowdays, if he tried to write the same stuff he'd be laughed at. I
myself was embarrased to read some of Heinlein's later stuff for much
thye same reason.
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