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27 Mar 2007 07:56:54 PM |
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As sure as I'm sitting here... |
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to physically destroy
all the New Testaments where those words are recorded and all of the places where those
words have gone via the internet. Not to mention all of those believers who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
No wonder deception is rampant. But as sure as I'm sitting here, it's not just because of
those words. It's also because God manifested himself in human flesh....
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the
world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy3:16)
...... As "Christ" the messiah. The Savior of humanity. Even in todays world the Spirit of
God testifies of that manifestation:
1John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof
ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
Simply put, Jesus stepped in to his own creation.
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible
and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all
things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him
all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the
firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased
the Father that in him should all fulness dwell" (colossians 1:16-19)
Deceivers do not like any of that.
Jd
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| User: "Lee me@localhost" |
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27 Mar 2007 08:34:09 PM |
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"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
news:s2qj03duonbrv2h3jbbnd7qedkopumq7k1@4ax.com...
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." -
Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to
physically destroy
all the New Testaments where those words are recorded and all of the
places where those
words have gone via the internet. Not to mention all of those believers
who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
No wonder deception is rampant. But as sure as I'm sitting here, it's not
just because of
those words. It's also because God manifested himself in human flesh....
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the
world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy3:16)
..... As "Christ" the messiah. The Savior of humanity. Even in todays
world the Spirit of
God testifies of that manifestation:
1John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that
confesseth that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth
not that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of
antichrist, whereof
ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the
world."
Simply put, Jesus stepped in to his own creation.
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible
and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all
things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and
by him
all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the
beginning, the
firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
For it pleased
the Father that in him should all fulness dwell" (colossians 1:16-19)
Deceivers do not like any of that.
Jd
Well done, completely meaningless but well done!
Have a peanut
Lee
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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27 Mar 2007 08:54:09 PM |
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"Lee" <me@localhost> writes:
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
news:s2qj03duonbrv2h3jbbnd7qedkopumq7k1@4ax.com...
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." -
Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to
physically destroy
all the New Testaments where those words are recorded and all of the
places where those
words have gone via the internet. Not to mention all of those believers
who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
No wonder deception is rampant. But as sure as I'm sitting here, it's not
just because of
those words. It's also because God manifested himself in human flesh....
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the
world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy3:16)
..... As "Christ" the messiah. The Savior of humanity. Even in todays
world the Spirit of
God testifies of that manifestation:
1John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that
confesseth that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth
not that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of
antichrist, whereof
ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the
world."
Simply put, Jesus stepped in to his own creation.
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible
and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all
things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and
by him
all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the
beginning, the
firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
For it pleased
the Father that in him should all fulness dwell" (colossians 1:16-19)
Deceivers do not like any of that.
Jd
Well done, completely meaningless but well done!
Have a peanut
Oddly enough, the peanut is neither a pea nor a nut. It's a mammal!
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Lee me@localhost" |
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28 Mar 2007 05:24:00 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:130jim19lbec4dc@corp.supernews.com...
"Lee" <me@localhost> writes:
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
news:s2qj03duonbrv2h3jbbnd7qedkopumq7k1@4ax.com...
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." -
Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to
physically destroy
all the New Testaments where those words are recorded and all of the
places where those
words have gone via the internet. Not to mention all of those believers
who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
No wonder deception is rampant. But as sure as I'm sitting here, it's
not
just because of
those words. It's also because God manifested himself in human
flesh....
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was
manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the
world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy3:16)
..... As "Christ" the messiah. The Savior of humanity. Even in todays
world the Spirit of
God testifies of that manifestation:
1John 4:2-3 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that
confesseth that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth
not that Jesus
Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of
antichrist, whereof
ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the
world."
Simply put, Jesus stepped in to his own creation.
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible
and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities,
or powers: all
things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things,
and
by him
all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is
the
beginning, the
firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the
preeminence.
For it pleased
the Father that in him should all fulness dwell" (colossians 1:16-19)
Deceivers do not like any of that.
Jd
Well done, completely meaningless but well done!
Have a peanut
Oddly enough, the peanut is neither a pea nor a nut. It's a mammal!
---
Merlyn LeRoy
True they are a member of the family barsnackials, shell dwelling, salt
loving creatures and related to the cashews.
Lee
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| User: "Vigyazat" |
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28 Mar 2007 06:53:40 AM |
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From Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>:
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."
- Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to
physically destroy all the New Testaments where those words are
recorded and all of the places where those words have gone via the
internet. Not to mention all of those believers who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
I think it's safe to say that if Heaven and Earth pass away, then the
Internet's likely to go with them. As are books, and as are the memories
in people's heads.
Incidentally, you don't often hear the first bit of this verse quoted when
people are droning on about salvation and eternity in Heaven at God's side.
I wonder why?
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| User: "Jd" |
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28 Mar 2007 06:50:23 PM |
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Vigyazat wrote:
From Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>:
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away."
- Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to
physically destroy all the New Testaments where those words are
recorded and all of the places where those words have gone via the
internet. Not to mention all of those believers who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
I think it's safe to say that if Heaven and Earth pass away, then the
Internet's likely to go with them. As are books, and as are the memories
in people's heads.
Incidentally, you don't often hear the first bit of this verse quoted when
people are droning on about salvation and eternity in Heaven at God's side.
I wonder why?
Perhaps because they've little contact with their Jewish roots and the reality of Zionism.
"Heaven and earth" as we now know it shall surely pass away and the new "heaven and earth"
will replace it.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
The Lord Jesus shall return and all his saints with him......
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is
before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof
toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of
the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the
mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the
earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all
the saints with thee.
Jd
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| User: "Vigyazat" |
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28 Mar 2007 08:11:10 PM |
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From Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>:
Perhaps because they've little contact with their Jewish roots and the
reality of Zionism. "Heaven and earth" as we now know it shall surely
pass away and the new "heaven and earth" will replace it.
Ah, I see: 'Heaven and Earth as we now know it'. Okay. As long as I know
it's actually all right to pad out Jesus' words and add the bits we think
he ought to have said.
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| User: "Jd" |
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31 Mar 2007 08:31:29 PM |
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Vigyazat wrote:
From Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>:
Perhaps because they've little contact with their Jewish roots and the
reality of Zionism. "Heaven and earth" as we now know it shall surely
pass away and the new "heaven and earth" will replace it.
Ah, I see: 'Heaven and Earth as we now know it'. Okay. As long as I know
it's actually all right to pad out Jesus' words and add the bits we think
he ought to have said.
No. What I said was Biblically correct....
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Your problem isn't the actual content, but the fact that someone here (me) has the nerve
to quote from the Holy Bible.
Most everyone else is to wimpy to do such a thing. Why? 2 reasons come to mind.
1) Becuase of the feminazation of America and the accompanying harlotish tendencies,
people can't seem to crawl out from under the condemnation of their own guilty conscience.
they are ashamed and therefore, in "shame", powerless, and weak minded.
Mark 8:38 "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this
adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he
cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels." - Jesus
2) The onset of rebellion against God (plus the related "shame") has taken it's toll
amidst the American populace. Thus this default condition concerning rebellion is
applicable:
Isaiah 30:8-9 "Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it
may be for the time to come for ever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, lying
children, children that will not hear the law of the Lord"
So as a result, here is what you and your pals say....
Isaiah 30:10-11 Which say to the seers, "See not"; and to the prophets, "Prophesy not unto
us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way,
turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us".
Good news is that Jesus came to save all that will believe.
Jd
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| User: "Vigyazat" |
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01 Apr 2007 05:14:02 AM |
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From Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>:
No. What I said was Biblically correct....
Oh, yes, of course: it's handy, too, being able to treat these numerous
texts from disparate sources as interchangeable.
Your problem isn't the actual content, but the fact that someone here
(me) has the nerve to quote from the Holy Bible.
Jd, you flatter yourself. Almost every bugger here has the 'nerve' to
quote from the Holy Bible. It's getting them to stop long enough to
express an actual opinion that can be the problem.
The trouble is that, because none of us have a true grasp of the context
in which these various documents were written, the symbolism used or the
purpose for which they were intended, we end up with endless different
interpretations of the same text.
When it comes down to it, your supposed 'nerve' in quoting something
that everyone and his dog tends to quote (even us non-Christians, when
we need to - I know I've quoted the Bible often) doesn't really help us.
All we end up with is what a given segment means in light of your
established religious conviction.
Most everyone else is to wimpy to do such a thing.
Pfft. I'd answer this but for the fact that it's so patently absurd.
Do you actually read these groups at all?
1) Becuase of the feminazation of America and the accompanying
harlotish tendencies, people can't seem to crawl out from under the
condemnation of their own guilty conscience. they are ashamed and
therefore, in "shame", powerless, and weak minded.
Yes, we've long been aware of your fear of females, Jd. And I don't
deny there are some women whose idea of 'equality' is skewed by the
enormous chips they carry on their shoulders. There are indeed sexist
women who would love to see men emasculated and humiliated. They are
bigots, and worthy of contempt.
But most women are not craven radicals like that - any more than most
men are like you.
2) The onset of rebellion against God (plus the related "shame") has
taken it's toll amidst the American populace. Thus this default
condition concerning rebellion is applicable:
Rebellion against God is relevant only to those who believe in God. And
even amongst those who so believe, rebellion against God or disobedience
to Him is entirely a personal matter between the individual and God.
Your authority here extends as far as ensuring that you, Jd, are serving
God appropriately. That, for example, you're not allowing yourself to
become prideful and conceited as a result of your confidence in your own
righteousness, and thus falling away from God even while you believe you
are leading the way to Him.
Good news is that Jesus came to save all that will believe.
And those who do not believe may well be damned: but that is God's
choice, and it is not for you to interfere.
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| User: "Jd" |
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03 Apr 2007 05:24:57 PM |
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Vigyazat wrote:
From Jd <ZionsFire@att.net>:
No. What I said was Biblically correct....
Oh, yes, of course: it's handy, too, being able to treat these numerous
texts from disparate sources as interchangeable.
Your problem isn't the actual content, but the fact that someone here
(me) has the nerve to quote from the Holy Bible.
Jd, you flatter yourself. Almost every bugger here has the 'nerve' to
quote from the Holy Bible. It's getting them to stop long enough to
express an actual opinion that can be the problem.
The trouble is that, because none of us have a true grasp of the context
in which these various documents were written, the symbolism used or the
purpose for which they were intended, we end up with endless different
interpretations of the same text.
When it comes down to it, your supposed 'nerve' in quoting something
that everyone and his dog tends to quote (even us non-Christians, when
we need to - I know I've quoted the Bible often) doesn't really help us.
All we end up with is what a given segment means in light of your
established religious conviction.
Most everyone else is to wimpy to do such a thing.
Pfft. I'd answer this but for the fact that it's so patently absurd.
Do you actually read these groups at all?
1) Becuase of the feminazation of America and the accompanying
harlotish tendencies, people can't seem to crawl out from under the
condemnation of their own guilty conscience. they are ashamed and
therefore, in "shame", powerless, and weak minded.
Yes, we've long been aware of your fear of females, Jd. And I don't
deny there are some women whose idea of 'equality' is skewed by the
enormous chips they carry on their shoulders. There are indeed sexist
women who would love to see men emasculated and humiliated. They are
bigots, and worthy of contempt.
But most women are not craven radicals like that - any more than most
men are like you.
2) The onset of rebellion against God (plus the related "shame") has
taken it's toll amidst the American populace. Thus this default
condition concerning rebellion is applicable:
Rebellion against God is relevant only to those who believe in God. And
even amongst those who so believe, rebellion against God or disobedience
to Him is entirely a personal matter between the individual and God.
Your authority here extends as far as ensuring that you, Jd, are serving
God appropriately. That, for example, you're not allowing yourself to
become prideful and conceited as a result of your confidence in your own
righteousness, and thus falling away from God even while you believe you
are leading the way to Him.
Good news is that Jesus came to save all that will believe.
And those who do not believe may well be damned: but that is God's
choice, and it is not for you to interfere.
How do you know whether or not God Himself sent me here?
Jd
Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the uttermost part of the earth." - Jesus
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03 Apr 2007 11:54:37 PM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
How do you know whether or not God Himself sent me here?
Any god that would send an assclown like you doesn't deserve a second
thought...
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| User: "Jd" |
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04 Apr 2007 06:59:11 PM |
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Scott Richter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
How do you know whether or not God Himself sent me here?
Any god that would send an assclown like you doesn't deserve a second
thought...
It's completely natural for sinners to think that God should send someone they approve of
who will tell them what they want to hear.
Jd
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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04 Apr 2007 08:33:52 PM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
How do you know whether or not God Himself sent me here?
Any god that would send an assclown like you doesn't deserve a second
thought...
It's completely natural for sinners to think that God should send someone
they approve of who will tell them what they want to hear.
No, what's completely natural is for religious idiots like you to have
delusions of importance, believing nonsense such as "God sent me"...
And by the way, "sinners" is a term used by religionists to judge other
people (and we all know how much religionists LOVE to judge people).
Your use of the word has no bearing on my life.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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04 Apr 2007 09:05:07 PM |
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:33:52 -0700, (Scott
Richter) wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
How do you know whether or not God Himself sent me here?
Any god that would send an assclown like you doesn't deserve a second
thought...
It's completely natural for sinners to think that God should send someone
they approve of who will tell them what they want to hear.
No, what's completely natural is for religious idiots like you to have
delusions of importance, believing nonsense such as "God sent me"...
And by the way, "sinners" is a term used by religionists to judge other
people (and we all know how much religionists LOVE to judge people).
Your use of the word has no bearing on my life.
And what's worse, he arrogantly, nastily and stupidly invents what is
in our mind for us as though we secretly believed in his pretend
friend.
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| User: "Jd" |
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05 Apr 2007 07:43:22 PM |
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Scott Richter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
How do you know whether or not God Himself sent me here?
Any god that would send an assclown like you doesn't deserve a second
thought...
It's completely natural for sinners to think that God should send someone
they approve of who will tell them what they want to hear.
No, what's completely natural is for religious idiots like you to have
delusions of importance, believing nonsense such as "God sent me"...
And by the way, "sinners" is a term used by religionists to judge other
people (and we all know how much religionists LOVE to judge people).
Your use of the word has no bearing on my life.
Wrong. All have sinned. In that respect we're all equal.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"
Jd
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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06 Apr 2007 12:00:11 AM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
And by the way, "sinners" is a term used by religionists to judge other
people (and we all know how much religionists LOVE to judge people).
Your use of the word has no bearing on my life.
Wrong. All have sinned. In that respect we're all equal.
Sigh... Your really need to lay off the meth, it's making you hard of
hearing. Let me try again.
I have not sinned because sin is a RELIGIOUS JUDGEMENT. AND I DON'T
BELONG TO YOUR SILLY RELIGION, M'KAY, LITTLE FELLA?
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| User: "Jd" |
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07 Apr 2007 06:00:44 PM |
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Scott Richter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
And by the way, "sinners" is a term used by religionists to judge other
people (and we all know how much religionists LOVE to judge people).
Your use of the word has no bearing on my life.
Wrong. All have sinned. In that respect we're all equal.
Sigh... Your really need to lay off the meth, it's making you hard of
hearing. Let me try again.
I have not sinned because sin is a RELIGIOUS JUDGEMENT. AND I DON'T
BELONG TO YOUR SILLY RELIGION, M'KAY, LITTLE FELLA?
You have sinned against God at some point or another. It's merely arrogant for humans to
deny that there is a higher authority.
Besides that, all American law breaks down when God is denied.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life,
Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are
instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
(Declaration of Independence)
Yet that is what you and your Sodomite leftist pals want.... i.e. the breakdown of society
and the rule of Satan.
That is why this is true......
Matthew 24:6-7 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall
rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and
pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." - Jesus
It will appear that you will get your way.... but that will only be a delusion.
Jd
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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07 Apr 2007 08:55:05 PM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
And by the way, "sinners" is a term used by religionists to judge other
people (and we all know how much religionists LOVE to judge people).
Your use of the word has no bearing on my life.
Wrong. All have sinned. In that respect we're all equal.
Sigh... Your really need to lay off the meth, it's making you hard of
hearing. Let me try again.
I have not sinned because sin is a RELIGIOUS JUDGEMENT. AND I DON'T
BELONG TO YOUR SILLY RELIGION, M'KAY, LITTLE FELLA?
You have sinned against God at some point or another. It's merely arrogant
for humans to deny that there is a higher authority.
Which part of "I don't believe in your imaginary God" don't you
understand? There's nothing arrogant about it.
Besides that, all American law breaks down when God is denied.
Utter and complete nonsense. I bet you're a "Ten Commandments in
courthouses" kind of guy, aren't you?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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07 Apr 2007 09:53:24 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 23:00:44 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
You have sinned against God at some point or another. It's merely arrogant for humans to
deny that there is a higher authority.
Prove this authority exists using scientific methods.
Besides that, all American law breaks down when God is denied.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are
endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life,
Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are
instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
(Declaration of Independence)
Which has no force in American law. None. And nowhere does the
Constitution mention Christianity. In fact, the actual basis of law in
this country goes to great lengths to remove religion from government.
Yet that is what you and your Sodomite leftist pals want.... i.e. the breakdown of society
and the rule of Satan.
No such entity.
That is why this is true......
Matthew 24:6-7 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall
rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and
pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places." - Jesus
This is true of every century. We've always had disasters, wars,
plagues. They are part of life. The author is making a safe bet.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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29 Mar 2007 10:04:24 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> bloodied us up with
this:
"Heaven and earth" as we now know it shall surely pass away and the
new "heaven and earth" will replace it.
Only in your deluded mind, wanker.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "Jd" |
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31 Mar 2007 08:31:30 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> bloodied us up with
this:
"Heaven and earth" as we now know it shall surely pass away and the
new "heaven and earth" will replace it.
Only in your deluded mind, wanker.
Not so. As it is written.....
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Now quit making a fool of yourself.
Psams 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God".
As sayeth the humanists....
"No deity will save us; we must save ourselves."—*1974 Manifesto of American Humanist
Association.
Jd
"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock
in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Apr 2007 03:34:17 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> bloodied us up with
this:
Nothing actually is....
As it is written.....
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "Jd" |
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03 Apr 2007 05:22:05 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> bloodied us up with
this:
Nothing actually is....
As it is written.....
Especially yours.
Jd
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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03 Apr 2007 11:09:16 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> bloodied us up with
this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> bloodied us up with
this:
Nothing actually is....
As it is written.....
Especially yours.
Jd
Snicker
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: As sure as I'm sitting here... |
28 Mar 2007 11:44:20 PM |
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In article <s2qj03duonbrv2h3jbbnd7qedkopumq7k1@4ax.com>,
ZionsFire@att.net says...
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Plenty of his words have passed away, fool. In order for his statement
to be true you must show that no word that he spoke ever passed away. It
is not sufficient to show that some of his words remained. Furthermore,
for the test to be valid, we would need heaven and earth to disappear and
for his words to somehow remain. But heaven and earth haven't passed
away, so his claim can't really be tested, except in the negative. That
is, we know that every word he spoke couldn't possibly have been recorded
by scribes and therefore they have passed away.
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to physically destroy
all the New Testaments
There are dozens of gospels outside of these.
where those words are recorded and all of the places where those
words have gone via the internet.
But the versions differ. As Bart Erdman has pointed out, there have been
more errors in the new testament than all the words in the new testament.
You can't rely on pretty much anything in the NT.
Not to mention all of those believers who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
Considering that most are dead, what difference would that make? It
would only make a difference if they transmitted their knowledge without
error. But it's unlikely that they would have perfect memories.
No wonder deception is rampant. But as sure as I'm sitting here,
You're actually not sitting there. You're in the Matrix and you can't
prove otherwise.
it's not just because of
those words. It's also because God manifested himself in human flesh....
That's a dime a dozen. Almost every mythology has gods coming down and
taking the form of animals or heros, etc. For a god to wear some meat
clothing ought not be any particularly difficult feat.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Jd" |
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| Title: Re: As sure as I'm sitting here... |
31 Mar 2007 08:31:33 PM |
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quibbler wrote:
In article <s2qj03duonbrv2h3jbbnd7qedkopumq7k1@4ax.com>,
ZionsFire@att.net says...
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Plenty of his words have passed away, fool. In order for his statement
to be true you must show that no word that he spoke ever passed away. It
is not sufficient to show that some of his words remained. Furthermore,
for the test to be valid, we would need heaven and earth to disappear and
for his words to somehow remain. But heaven and earth haven't passed
away, so his claim can't really be tested, except in the negative. That
is, we know that every word he spoke couldn't possibly have been recorded
by scribes and therefore they have passed away.
Not so. You're only considering your own mental capacity. Jesus existed before the
Creation of the universe and has therefore, unlimited capacity (as do his words).
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I
had with thee before the world was." Jesus
Especially with the advent of the internet. I mean imagine trying to physically destroy
all the New Testaments
There are dozens of gospels outside of these.
So?
where those words are recorded and all of the places where those
words have gone via the internet.
But the versions differ. As Bart Erdman has pointed out, there have been
more errors in the new testament than all the words in the new testament.
You can't rely on pretty much anything in the NT.
Then why have not these words not "passed away"........?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
If it's as bad as Bart has deceived you into believing, why does almost everyone own a
Bible here in the U.S.A. ?
Not to mention all of those believers who have
heard\memorized them in the last 20 centuries.
Considering that most are dead, what difference would that make? It
would only make a difference if they transmitted their knowledge without
error. But it's unlikely that they would have perfect memories.
His words will never pass away. Period. That is an absolute truth.
No wonder deception is rampant. But as sure as I'm sitting here,
You're actually not sitting there. You're in the Matrix and you can't
prove otherwise.
No. I'm actually sitting here. That is an absolute truth.
it's not just because of
those words. It's also because God manifested himself in human flesh....
That's a dime a dozen. Almost every mythology has gods coming down and
taking the form of animals or heros, etc. For a god to wear some meat
clothing ought not be any particularly difficult feat.
According to Al Gore, Christians are wiping out all of that old, ancient mythology....
"Much of the evidence for the existence of this primitive religion comes from the many
thousands of artifacts uncovered in ceremonial sites. These sites are so widespread that
they seem to confirm the notion that a goddess religion was ubiquitous throughout much of
the world until the antecedents of today's religions - most of which still have a
distinctly masculine orientation - swept out of India and the Near East, almost
obliterating belief in the goddess. The last vestige of organized goddess worship was
eliminated by Christianity" - Al Gore (Earth in the Balance; Ecology and the Human Spirit)
So to you I ask.... has evolution empowered humans to wipe out all competing religions in
order for Christianity to be the dominant one?
Jd
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: As sure as I'm sitting here... |
31 Mar 2007 09:29:13 PM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Then why have not these words not "passed away"........?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Actually, those are the words of a committee of translators, not the
words of Jesus.
lojbab
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| User: "Jd" |
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03 Apr 2007 05:19:50 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Then why have not these words not "passed away"........?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Actually, those are the words of a committee of translators, not the
words of Jesus.
lojbab
Are you saying that the words of Jesus have actually passed away?
Jd
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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03 Apr 2007 08:50:33 PM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Then why have not these words not "passed away"........?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Actually, those are the words of a committee of translators, not the
words of Jesus.
Are you saying that the words of Jesus have actually passed away?
Yep. No one can say what they were, speaking in the original Aramaic
that He presumably spoke them in. All we have is hearsay translations
of hearsay translations.
lojbab
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| User: "Jd" |
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04 Apr 2007 06:59:12 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Then why have not these words not "passed away"........?
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Actually, those are the words of a committee of translators, not the
words of Jesus.
Are you saying that the words of Jesus have actually passed away?
Yep. No one can say what they were, speaking in the original Aramaic
that He presumably spoke them in. All we have is hearsay translations
of hearsay translations.
lojbab
Exactly wrong Bob.
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)
Are you claiming authority over Jesus as those inner voices are telling you to do? Yes you
are. Bob.... Christianity is about learning to overcome demonic forces, which I'm sure you
will someday (assuming that you have indeed accepted the real Jesus as your Lord and
Savior - but that's not up to me).
Jd
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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05 Apr 2007 10:11:12 AM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Christianity is about learning to overcome demonic forces, which I'm sure
you will someday (assuming that you have indeed accepted the real Jesus as
your Lord and Savior - but that's not up to me).
Do you really not understand? Jesus and the mythology surrounding him
was created as a marketing tool, used to push one brand of religion over
competing brands. Think of him as the Marlboro Man or Ronald McDonald,
only from the second century.
In that capacity, the marketing campaign has been wildly successful, but
like the Marlboro man or Ronald, that doesn't mean Jesus was a real
person.
So, that hackneyed old expression "have you accepted Jesus Christ as
your Lord and Savior"? It's simply the ancient equivalent of "Two all
beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a
sesame seed bun."
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