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User: "Douglas Berry"
Date: 27 Jul 2006 07:09:14 PM
Object: As the RCC sinks into the sunset..
They're facing a financial crisis that promises to be far costlier
than the sex abuse scandals. The problem? Retired nuns and priests.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/07/27/national/a123135D77.DTL
With tens of thousands of U.S. nuns over age 70, the Roman Catholic
Church is facing a massive financial shortfall for the care of
retirees in religious orders — a gap that over the long term dwarfs
costs from the clergy abuse crisis.
Though billions of dollars have been salted away, there still remains
an unfunded future liability of $8.7 billion for current nuns, priests
and brothers in religious orders. The financial hole is projected by a
consulting firm to exceed $20 billion by 2023.
A June survey by the church's National Religious Retirement Office,
not yet released to the public, puts spending for retiree care at $926
million last year alone. That compares with a total of $499 million
received over the last 18 years from annual special parish collections
to aid retirees.
The retirement realities far overshadow the burden from
well-publicized sexual abuse cases, which have cost the American
church more than $1 billion since 1950, with tens of millions of
dollars in pending claims.
In some ways, religious orders face the same problem as many
governments: increasing numbers of older retirees need benefits, but
there are fewer workers to support them. America's younger workers pay
now for the Social Security benefits of seniors, while younger
religious support their older generations by caring for them.
Sisters, who make up 82 percent of retirees, are especially
vulnerable.
Between 1965 and 2005, their numbers plummeted from 179,954 to 68,634,
according to the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at
Georgetown University.
With far fewer younger novices being recruited, the majority of
sisters are now more than 70 years old, the retirement office's new
survey said. Even though sisters usually work until age 75, caring for
the retired population is a huge task.
The problem is discussed in the new book "Double Crossed: Uncovering
the Catholic Church's Betrayal of American Nuns" (Doubleday) by former
New York Times religion editor Kenneth Briggs. The book's main theme
is that church authorities vetoed sisters' hopes for dramatic changes
that would provide more freedom and effective ministries in the
aftermath of the Second Vatican Council.
When Briggs completed his research, the annual care cost was running
at $800 million and aid collections then totaled $480 million. He
reports that the annual collections generate more than twice the
receipts from the next largest special appeal, showing the regard
parishioners have for the sisters and other retirees.
Briggs writes that the looming financial threat "sapped the creative
energies of communities." But Sister Andree Fries, the 64-year-old
executive director of the U.S. retirement office, disagrees.
She says "the impact is more minimal than one might think" because
members of orders "are very much about mission" and not worrying about
their future needs. Also, orders are "spending their future retirement
money for current bills" — so they are not uncomfortable at the
moment.
What about the projected multi-billion-dollar gap? "Is it a big
number? Yes," Fries said. "Am I discouraged that we'll ever get there?
I'm sobered, but not discouraged, because religious are can-do
people."
Some religious orders are financially healthy, but Fries' office
reckons that only 4 percent of current sisters are adequately funded
for their retirement needs. Typically, the problem is worst in smaller
orders.
Religious orders are totally independent from dioceses in
administration and finance. But they often serve in schools and other
parish or diocesan institutions, so bishops and parishioners naturally
feel a responsibility to help.
The religious orders' plight first gained national attention with a
1985 Wall Street Journal article by John Fialka. Contacted by fellow
Catholics who offered donations, Fialka helped organize SOAR (Support
Our Aging Religious), which pioneered in fundraising and last year
received $1.4 million to aid retirees.
The U.S. bishops then followed suit, sponsoring their first annual
collection in 1988 under the new retirement office, co-sponsored with
three organizations of women's and men's orders.
The annual December collection was scheduled to cease next year, but
at their June meeting the bishops agreed to extend the program another
10 years. Also, the retirement office plans to increase training for
orders on how to manage investments, buildings and other assets.
Hundreds of orders have been forced to sell off assets to cover
expenses.
--
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stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: As the RCC sinks into the sunset.. 27 Jul 2006 08:38:04 PM
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:g8lic2lmvsbld3bsis38fs8f6rqb2mhvv1@4ax.com...

They're facing a financial crisis that promises to be far costlier
than the sex abuse scandals. The problem? Retired nuns and priests.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/07/27/national/a123135D77.DTL

With tens of thousands of U.S. nuns over age 70, the Roman Catholic
Church is facing a massive financial shortfall for the care of
retirees in religious orders - a gap that over the long term dwarfs
costs from the clergy abuse crisis.

Though billions of dollars have been salted away, there still remains
an unfunded future liability of $8.7 billion for current nuns, priests
and brothers in religious orders. The financial hole is projected by a
consulting firm to exceed $20 billion by 2023.

A June survey by the church's National Religious Retirement Office,
not yet released to the public, puts spending for retiree care at $926
million last year alone. That compares with a total of $499 million
received over the last 18 years from annual special parish collections
to aid retirees.

The retirement realities far overshadow the burden from
well-publicized sexual abuse cases, which have cost the American
church more than $1 billion since 1950, with tens of millions of
dollars in pending claims.

In some ways, religious orders face the same problem as many
governments: increasing numbers of older retirees need benefits, but
there are fewer workers to support them. America's younger workers pay
now for the Social Security benefits of seniors, while younger
religious support their older generations by caring for them.

Sisters, who make up 82 percent of retirees, are especially
vulnerable.

Between 1965 and 2005, their numbers plummeted from 179,954 to 68,634,
according to the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at
Georgetown University.

With far fewer younger novices being recruited, the majority of
sisters are now more than 70 years old, the retirement office's new
survey said. Even though sisters usually work until age 75, caring for
the retired population is a huge task.

The problem is discussed in the new book "Double Crossed: Uncovering
the Catholic Church's Betrayal of American Nuns" (Doubleday) by former
New York Times religion editor Kenneth Briggs. The book's main theme
is that church authorities vetoed sisters' hopes for dramatic changes
that would provide more freedom and effective ministries in the
aftermath of the Second Vatican Council.

When Briggs completed his research, the annual care cost was running
at $800 million and aid collections then totaled $480 million. He
reports that the annual collections generate more than twice the
receipts from the next largest special appeal, showing the regard
parishioners have for the sisters and other retirees.

Briggs writes that the looming financial threat "sapped the creative
energies of communities." But Sister Andree Fries, the 64-year-old
executive director of the U.S. retirement office, disagrees.

She says "the impact is more minimal than one might think" because
members of orders "are very much about mission" and not worrying about
their future needs. Also, orders are "spending their future retirement
money for current bills" - so they are not uncomfortable at the
moment.

What about the projected multi-billion-dollar gap? "Is it a big
number? Yes," Fries said. "Am I discouraged that we'll ever get there?
I'm sobered, but not discouraged, because religious are can-do
people."

Some religious orders are financially healthy, but Fries' office
reckons that only 4 percent of current sisters are adequately funded
for their retirement needs. Typically, the problem is worst in smaller
orders.

Religious orders are totally independent from dioceses in
administration and finance. But they often serve in schools and other
parish or diocesan institutions, so bishops and parishioners naturally
feel a responsibility to help.

The religious orders' plight first gained national attention with a
1985 Wall Street Journal article by John Fialka. Contacted by fellow
Catholics who offered donations, Fialka helped organize SOAR (Support
Our Aging Religious), which pioneered in fundraising and last year
received $1.4 million to aid retirees.

The U.S. bishops then followed suit, sponsoring their first annual
collection in 1988 under the new retirement office, co-sponsored with
three organizations of women's and men's orders.

The annual December collection was scheduled to cease next year, but
at their June meeting the bishops agreed to extend the program another
10 years. Also, the retirement office plans to increase training for
orders on how to manage investments, buildings and other assets.

Hundreds of orders have been forced to sell off assets to cover
expenses.
--

I won't shed a tear if you don't. It's heart was in the right place.
Unfortunately, it's 'brain' wasn't.
Greywolf
.

User: "johac"

Title: Re: As the RCC sinks into the sunset.. 28 Jul 2006 12:55:56 AM
In article <g8lic2lmvsbld3bsis38fs8f6rqb2mhvv1@4ax.com>,
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

They're facing a financial crisis that promises to be far costlier
than the sex abuse scandals. The problem? Retired nuns and priests.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/07/27/national/a
123135D77.DTL

With tens of thousands of U.S. nuns over age 70, the Roman Catholic
Church is facing a massive financial shortfall for the care of
retirees in religious orders — a gap that over the long term dwarfs
costs from the clergy abuse crisis.

Though billions of dollars have been salted away, there still remains
an unfunded future liability of $8.7 billion for current nuns, priests
and brothers in religious orders. The financial hole is projected by a
consulting firm to exceed $20 billion by 2023.

I don't care about the church, but I don't like to see people suffer.
Then again, no one forced them to become nuns or priests. That is the
lifestyle they chose for themselves and now they are seeing the
consequences.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: As the RCC sinks into the sunset.. 29 Jul 2006 01:22:26 AM
In article <91tkc212lsjintnnhviupfit6704qeffjr@4ax.com>,
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:55:56 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:

I don't care about the church, but I don't like to see people suffer.
Then again, no one forced them to become nuns or priests.


I don't usually find much in your posts, to disagree with, but that, I find
callus.

If your company pension "plan(?)" , went bump, I think you would find it
quite
inconsiderate of folks, to point out that no one forced you to work for that
company.

True, but in this case, the company did not provide them with anything.
No insurance, no pension. Since they took a vow of poverty, they
couldn't even save their own money. In previous times, the church was
amply supported by the charity of the members, but as church rolls
decline, that source is drying up. This decline is a trend that has been
going on for years. I think that the church could have done better by
them by providing some form of group insurance, early on but it didn't.


That is the
lifestyle they chose for themselves and now they are seeing the
consequences.


Except that some of them are genuine, not pedos, not perverts, not mother
Terasa(sp), but genuine, caring, people.

I know, I have met some.

Do you really want to see*all* of them punished, for doing what thy believed
was
right, because of the actions of a minority?

...And like it or not, it IS a minority.

I agree. And I don't want to see them suffer either. I suppose that most
of them will wind up on Medicaid. It's a sad way to go, but that is the
fate of many others, including lay people today.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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