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"J Young" |
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03 Mar 2005 12:17:08 AM |
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Assisted suicide backed in poll |
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
Sacramento -- Seven in 10 Californians support providing the state's
terminally ill with a legal path to end their lives pre-emptively, with
almost as many saying they would opt to do so themselves should they
ever face the situation, according to a poll released today.
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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| Title: Re: Assisted suicide backed in poll |
03 Mar 2005 08:01:35 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:48:30 GMT, "Maverick" <justgopublic@nomail.com>
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:OpEVd.1$fg6.146@news.uswest.net...
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Seems that if one had the mental capacity to make that determination, they
would not need any help accomplishing the deed themselves.
You are totally wrong in assuming that possessing mental capacity also
includes the necessary physical capacity. That seems to be a rather
widespread assumption among the temporarily abled.
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help
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| User: "Sergeant America" |
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| Title: Re: Assisted suicide backed in poll |
03 Mar 2005 04:13:01 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Pain is treatable, idiot.
You're just promoting the option to die to those people *you* deem as
having lives not worth living, nazi.
Keep your fucking dogma off my body. When you live in my body, then you
can decide. Not before.
Other people think your life is worth more than you do.
And you abuse them... Sheez, what an ignorant *****.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Assisted suicide backed in poll |
03 Mar 2005 09:05:33 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:13:01 +1300, Sergeant America
<sergeant_america@yahoo.com> drained his beer, leaned back in the
alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly proclaimed the following
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Pain is treatable, idiot.
Most of the time, yes. But in August 1995, I suffered from
post-surgical blood clots. I was in agony. Unable to unclench from
the fetal position. The maximum allowable level of morphine allowed
by law and medicine barely dulled the pain. I spent three days in
unending pain before they managed to break up the worst of the clots.
Pain is not always treatable, and at the high end treatment leaves you
a zombie, unable to stand, think clearly, and needing around the clock
care just to make sure that your pain "care" doesn't lead to
respiratory paralysis and death.
You're just promoting the option to die to those people *you* deem as
having lives not worth living, nazi.
Since the patient has to ask, and two doctors have to agree, this is a
meaningless claim.
Oh, I made Sergeant in 1987. I can show you the promotion order.
When did you earn your rank, wannabe?
Keep your fucking dogma off my body. When you live in my body, then you
can decide. Not before.
Other people think your life is worth more than you do.
Right now, my life is worth a lot. If I'm in constant pain, going to
die in six months, and there's no hope for improvment? I want the
option to end my life on my terms.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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03 Mar 2005 04:40:36 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:13:01 +1300, Sergeant America
<sergeant_america@yahoo.com> wrote:
You're just promoting the option to die to those people *you* deem as
having lives not worth living, nazi.
Given the patient has to petition to start the process, that's crap.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Mar 2005 11:14:58 PM |
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Sergeant America <sergeant_america@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Pain is treatable, idiot.
Wrong, cretin. Some pain cannot be ameliorated without killing the
patient.
It seems that you're just a stupid ***** who doesn't really give a
***** about other people. You just want to make people do as you say.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sangfroid" |
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03 Mar 2005 11:25:35 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:d08qsh$oh6$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Sergeant America <sergeant_america@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL
(Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Pain is treatable, idiot.
not all pain
Wrong, cretin. Some pain cannot be ameliorated without killing the
patient.
correct. that's simply a medical fact. has nothing to do with ideology.
whit
It seems that you're just a stupid ***** who doesn't really give a
***** about other people. You just want to make people do as you say.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Mar 2005 07:01:23 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 05:14:58 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Sergeant America <sergeant_america@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Pain is treatable, idiot.
Wrong, cretin. Some pain cannot be ameliorated without killing the
patient.
It seems that you're just a stupid ***** who doesn't really give a
***** about other people. You just want to make people do as you say.
BINGO! Then it would whine and cry "THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!" when it is in
that situation. "That only applies to *others* they drool" not
considering they are *others* to every one else. Moronic fuckwits
without two brain cells to rub together. (spit)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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03 Mar 2005 04:59:47 PM |
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Sergeant America wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Pain is treatable, idiot.
You're just promoting the option to die to those people *you* deem as
having lives not worth living, nazi.
Wrong ***** for brains.
You obviously have never been in the situation, or cared for someone in
that situation.
There are some forms of pain, caused by illness, that can not be treated.
But since you don't know about it, you have no compassion for someone
who might be going through it.
Keep your fucking dogma off my body. When you live in my body, then you
can decide. Not before.
Other people think your life is worth more than you do.
And you abuse them... Sheez, what an ignorant *****.
It's my life. I decide what happens to it.
Not some two bit, bible thumping, brain dead, arrogant, god soaked,
fundy, that does not give two figs what happens, "cuz I get to see him
roast in hell."
Like I said, when you live in my body, then you get to decide, not before.
Now *****, you worthless pile of crap.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Olrik" |
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03 Mar 2005 10:55:35 PM |
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Sergeant America wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" wrote:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Yeah, such a crying shame that if I'm in great pain, and never going to
get better, that I might just want to die. That I might just want to
control my own time of death, my own way.
Pain is treatable, idiot.
Pain is not a disease, it's a consequence of a disease. You can shoot
morphine (or even heroine) in a patient as much as you want, it can't
always ease the pain.
You're just promoting the option to die to those people *you* deem as
having lives not worth living, nazi.
It's not like doctors are strolling hospital beds pointing at patients
and saying "That one goes" or "That one stays". It's the patient's decision.
Keep your fucking dogma off my body. When you live in my body, then you
can decide. Not before.
Other people think your life is worth more than you do.
And you abuse them... Sheez, what an ignorant *****.
That's not what assisted suicide is about.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Assisted suicide backed in poll |
03 Mar 2005 03:00:29 AM |
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J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
I watched one friend die of a cancer in the throat, something more horrible
than most people can image. He could sit in a dentist chair and not be
bothered by a root canal but there were no drugs that could mask the pain he
suffered. He could not eat and the least little thing would set him to
choking.
There was that nagging question of weather the cancer would kill him before
it ate through an artery and he drowned in his own blood.
More recently another friend died of bowel cancer. Near the end he was
getting enough morphine to kill most people and it didn't touch the pain.
I want you to know that I very rarely swear.
But you, you sick fucking semi-literate thing would let them suffer,
probably for your god.
I hope you learn what true pain is.
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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| Title: Re: Assisted suicide backed in poll |
03 Mar 2005 07:38:46 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:NmAVd.10941$Pz7.5976@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
I watched one friend die of a cancer in the throat, something more
horrible than most people can image. He could sit in a dentist chair and
not be bothered by a root canal but there were no drugs that could mask
the pain he suffered. He could not eat and the least little thing would
set him to choking.
There was that nagging question of weather the cancer would kill him
before it ate through an artery and he drowned in his own blood.
More recently another friend died of bowel cancer. Near the end he was
getting enough morphine to kill most people and it didn't touch the
pain.
If there were any justice John Ashcroft would
meet such and end and be denied the option he
fought to deny others.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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03 Mar 2005 10:27:29 AM |
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneN*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns960E4DF0F1Bta2eene@216.196.97.131...
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
More recently another friend died of bowel cancer. Near the end he was
getting enough morphine to kill most people and it didn't touch the
pain.
If there were any justice John Ashcroft would
meet such and end and be denied the option he
fought to deny others.
It looks like the Pope is going to play that one out in public.
He's terminally ill, and will likely suffer an awful lot before he dies.
It's the kind of suffering that, as another poster pointed out, even
Morphine can't touch.
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| User: "Kosmo Threadbane" |
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03 Mar 2005 06:36:35 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneN*Email@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns960E4DF0F1Bta2eene@216.196.97.131...
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
More recently another friend died of bowel cancer. Near the end he was
getting enough morphine to kill most people and it didn't touch the
pain.
If there were any justice John Ashcroft would
meet such and end and be denied the option he
fought to deny others.
It looks like the Pope is going to play that one out in public.
He's terminally ill, and will likely suffer an awful lot before he dies.
It's the kind of suffering that, as another poster pointed out, even
Morphine can't touch.
Get serious. The pope will get heroin. Suffering is for the hoi polloi.
--
...,.,,
/666; ',
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(/@/----0-~-0 Of the three Popes, John the Twenty-third was the first
;' . `` ~ \' victim: he fled and was brought back a prisoner: the
, ` ' , > most scandalous charges were suppressed: the Vicar of
;;|\..(( -; -> Christ was only accused of piracy, murder, rape, sodomy,
;|>- `..__) and incest. _Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire_, Gibbon
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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04 Mar 2005 03:08:22 AM |
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"Kosmo Threadbane" <zeteticCXL@hq.eac> wrote in message
news:n4OVd.61199$nC5.60941@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote:
It looks like the Pope is going to play that one out in public.
He's terminally ill, and will likely suffer an awful lot before he dies.
It's the kind of suffering that, as another poster pointed out, even
Morphine can't touch.
Get serious. The pope will get heroin. Suffering is for the hoi polloi.
Yeah - he'll be doped up - but, as I said before, the pain he looks forward
to makes smack look like a placebo.
You may not like the pope (I don't) but he enjoys a virtue the NeoChristians
don't - strength of character.
God knows, this will be a test of his faith like none other.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Mar 2005 05:19:23 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:08:22 GMT, "Sanders Kaufman"
<usenet@kaufman.net> wrote:
"Kosmo Threadbane" <zeteticCXL@hq.eac> wrote in message
news:n4OVd.61199$nC5.60941@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote:
It looks like the Pope is going to play that one out in public.
He's terminally ill, and will likely suffer an awful lot before he dies.
It's the kind of suffering that, as another poster pointed out, even
Morphine can't touch.
Get serious. The pope will get heroin. Suffering is for the hoi polloi.
Yeah - he'll be doped up - but, as I said before, the pain he looks forward
to makes smack look like a placebo.
You may not like the pope (I don't) but he enjoys a virtue the NeoChristians
don't - strength of character.
God knows, this will be a test of his faith like none other.
No 'test' involved. What has occurred and will occurr was scripted
eons ago-according to the superstition.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "" |
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03 Mar 2005 10:50:30 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:00:29 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
I watched one friend die of a cancer in the throat, something more horrible
than most people can image. He could sit in a dentist chair and not be
bothered by a root canal but there were no drugs that could mask the pain he
suffered. He could not eat and the least little thing would set him to
choking.
There was that nagging question of weather the cancer would kill him before
it ate through an artery and he drowned in his own blood.
More recently another friend died of bowel cancer. Near the end he was
getting enough morphine to kill most people and it didn't touch the pain.
I want you to know that I very rarely swear.
But you, you sick fucking semi-literate thing would let them suffer,
probably for your god.
I hope you learn what true pain is.
And now with out assisted suicide the only option for "pulling the
plug" is to remove support, which means dying of dehydration and
starvation, an extremely painful, prolonged and agonizing death that
days days.
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| User: "Tilly" |
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03 Mar 2005 09:20:50 PM |
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J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
If an individual makes a 'living will' when they are of sound mind ,.it is
written, witnessed and made free of outside influence then why not? Why
should someone who considers their life is no longer worth living and who is
terminal anyway have their life extended unnecessarily?
Family members shouldn't be able to make the decision.
Tilly
striking1583REMOVE@yahoo.co.nz
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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03 Mar 2005 01:15:57 AM |
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On 2 Mar 2005 22:17:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
Sacramento -- Seven in 10 Californians support providing the state's
terminally ill with a legal path to end their lives pre-emptively, with
almost as many saying they would opt to do so themselves should they
ever face the situation, according to a poll released today.
OK, as a cancer survivor, I'm going to try to keep my temper here.
The worst thing about a critical illness is the loss of control over
your life. Your body doesn't work right, you're a slave to treatment
schedules and appointments. Life is a series of crisis moments,
uncertainties, and stress.
If you should progress to the terminal stage, you are faced with the
fact of your own death, knowing that death will be proceeded by pain,
a further loss of control and dignity, ending in weakness and agony.
Those of us who support physician assisted suicide do so because we
feel that a human being should be able to control how he or she exits
this life. Rather than face long weeks of agony, you face the end on
your own terms. You chose the day, the setting, and accept death on
your terms.
This isn't mad doctors gleefully running around with syringes. Our
proposed law, based on the Oregon law, requires that two doctors agree
that the patient is without any reasonable hope of treatment and
within six months of a natural death. A psychological exam is
required to confirm that the patient is of sound mind and able to make
the decision to end his life. Only then is the patient given the
drugs, to take when he chooses. Oregon's experience has shown that
about a third of those approved never take the final dose.
Those who do end their own lives gather family around, have one final
party, and from all reports end their existence in the best possible
mood.. a far cry from the fate awaiting most cancer or AIDS patients.
But you would deny that dignity to people, and force them to live in
pain. That makes you sadistic scum in my book.
But know what? I'm not going to wish what I went through on you. I
would wish the reality of Hodgkin's Disease on the worst villain on
the planet.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Mar 2005 11:10:39 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
Sacramento -- Seven in 10 Californians support providing the state's
terminally ill with a legal path to end their lives pre-emptively, with
almost as many saying they would opt to do so themselves should they
ever face the situation, according to a poll released today.
OK, as a cancer survivor, I'm going to try to keep my temper here.
The worst thing about a critical illness is the loss of control over
your life. Your body doesn't work right, you're a slave to treatment
schedules and appointments. Life is a series of crisis moments,
uncertainties, and stress.
But you have to realize that people like J Young are control freaks.
They are insane with the need to force people to obey them, no matter
the consequences, and they will lie, steal, and even kill in order to
make you obey them.
Your loss of control is exactly what they want.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "J Young" |
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03 Mar 2005 12:11:26 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 22:17:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL
(Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
Sacramento -- Seven in 10 Californians support providing the state's
terminally ill with a legal path to end their lives pre-emptively,
with
almost as many saying they would opt to do so themselves should they
ever face the situation, according to a poll released today.
OK, as a cancer survivor, I'm going to try to keep my temper here.
The worst thing about a critical illness is the loss of control over
your life. Your body doesn't work right, you're a slave to treatment
schedules and appointments. Life is a series of crisis moments,
uncertainties, and stress.
If you should progress to the terminal stage, you are faced with the
fact of your own death, knowing that death will be proceeded by pain,
a further loss of control and dignity, ending in weakness and agony.
Those of us who support physician assisted suicide do so because we
feel that a human being should be able to control how he or she exits
this life. Rather than face long weeks of agony, you face the end on
your own terms. You chose the day, the setting, and accept death on
your terms.
This isn't mad doctors gleefully running around with syringes. Our
proposed law, based on the Oregon law, requires that two doctors
agree
that the patient is without any reasonable hope of treatment and
within six months of a natural death. A psychological exam is
required to confirm that the patient is of sound mind and able to
make
the decision to end his life. Only then is the patient given the
drugs, to take when he chooses. Oregon's experience has shown that
about a third of those approved never take the final dose.
Those who do end their own lives gather family around, have one final
party, and from all reports end their existence in the best possible
mood.. a far cry from the fate awaiting most cancer or AIDS patients.
But you would deny that dignity to people, and force them to live in
pain. That makes you sadistic scum in my book.
But know what? I'm not going to wish what I went through on you. I
would wish the reality of Hodgkin's Disease on the worst villain on
the planet.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
I'm not quiet sure which part of my post you interpreted me as
endorsing you, or anyone else, having to suffer unbearable pain. My
problem is not with suicide; I can't think of a more personal issue. My
problem lies with the "ASSISTED". A licence to kill should never, ever
be granted to any segment of society. I have no doubt many would
observe the humane aspect of assisted suicide; it is the segment that
would abuse these priveledges that worry me. Depression, insurance
considerations, human error, or just pure evil could cause some cross
the line to murder. I fully support all means of pain-relief be made
available to the suffering.
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| User: "Kosmo Threadbane" |
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03 Mar 2005 07:55:20 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
[... A licence to kill should never, ever
be granted to any segment of society.
Unless they're torturing Arabs to death, on the off chance that they
might have some anti-American information.
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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03 Mar 2005 12:35:38 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 22:17:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and
drunkenly
proclaimed the following
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL
(Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
Sacramento -- Seven in 10 Californians support providing the state's
terminally ill with a legal path to end their lives pre-emptively,
with
almost as many saying they would opt to do so themselves should they
ever face the situation, according to a poll released today.
OK, as a cancer survivor, I'm going to try to keep my temper here.
The worst thing about a critical illness is the loss of control over
your life. Your body doesn't work right, you're a slave to treatment
schedules and appointments. Life is a series of crisis moments,
uncertainties, and stress.
If you should progress to the terminal stage, you are faced with the
fact of your own death, knowing that death will be proceeded by pain,
a further loss of control and dignity, ending in weakness and agony.
Those of us who support physician assisted suicide do so because we
feel that a human being should be able to control how he or she exits
this life. Rather than face long weeks of agony, you face the end on
your own terms. You chose the day, the setting, and accept death on
your terms.
This isn't mad doctors gleefully running around with syringes. Our
proposed law, based on the Oregon law, requires that two doctors
agree
that the patient is without any reasonable hope of treatment and
within six months of a natural death. A psychological exam is
required to confirm that the patient is of sound mind and able to
make
the decision to end his life. Only then is the patient given the
drugs, to take when he chooses. Oregon's experience has shown that
about a third of those approved never take the final dose.
Those who do end their own lives gather family around, have one final
party, and from all reports end their existence in the best possible
mood.. a far cry from the fate awaiting most cancer or AIDS patients.
But you would deny that dignity to people, and force them to live in
pain. That makes you sadistic scum in my book.
But know what? I'm not going to wish what I went through on you. I
would wish the reality of Hodgkin's Disease on the worst villain on
the planet.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
I'm not quiet sure which part of my post you interpreted me as
endorsing you, or anyone else, having to suffer unbearable pain. My
problem is not with suicide; I can't think of a more personal issue. My
problem lies with the "ASSISTED". A licence to kill should never, ever
be granted to any segment of society. I have no doubt many would
observe the humane aspect of assisted suicide; it is the segment that
would abuse these priveledges that worry me. Depression, insurance
considerations, human error, or just pure evil could cause some cross
the line to murder. I fully support all means of pain-relief be made
available to the suffering.
Yes. We will see what has happened with abortion.
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| User: "Tilly" |
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03 Mar 2005 09:25:07 PM |
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J Young wrote:
My problem lies with the "ASSISTED".
What if the person has reached the stage they can no longer do it themselves
eg: Motor neurone disease? The majority of people who have it find life
worth living until they reach this stage.
A licence to kill should never,
ever be granted to any segment of society.
How is it a licence if it is their own decision contained in a 'living
will'?
I have no doubt many would
observe the humane aspect of assisted suicide; it is the segment that
would abuse these priveledges that worry me. Depression, insurance
considerations, human error, or just pure evil could cause some cross
the line to murder. I fully support all means of pain-relief be made
available to the suffering.
Not all pain relief cocktails work for all people. Sometime they may relieve
pain and cause terrible nausea.
--
Tilly
striking1583REMOVE@yahoo.co.nz
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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03 Mar 2005 03:36:49 PM |
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On 3 Mar 2005 10:11:26 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
I'm not quiet sure which part of my post you interpreted me as
endorsing you, or anyone else, having to suffer unbearable pain. My
problem is not with suicide; I can't think of a more personal issue. My
problem lies with the "ASSISTED". A licence to kill should never, ever
be granted to any segment of society.
I spent years as a soldier. MOS 11-B2V. That's an Airborne Ranger,
if you aren't familiar with the Army. My entire job was killing
people. Without their consent, I might add.
Do you oppose the existence of the military?
You are telling me "screw your wishes, screw your pain, I want you to
live." That's not your decision, nor is it my doctors. It's mine.
I have no doubt many would
observe the humane aspect of assisted suicide; it is the segment that
would abuse these priveledges that worry me. Depression, insurance
considerations, human error, or just pure evil could cause some cross
the line to murder. I fully support all means of pain-relief be made
available to the suffering.
And when the medication stops working? There are levels of pain that
even heroin can't stop.
The law is written to prevent abuses. Two doctors must agree that the
patient is beyond hope, and will die inside of six months. A
psychological exam must occur to insure that the decision is being
made by someone with a sound mind. No Dr. Kervorkians running around,
but humans controlling the final act of their lives.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Mar 2005 03:19:08 PM |
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On 3 Mar 2005 10:11:26 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said
in alt.atheism:
I'm not quiet sure which part of my post you interpreted me as
endorsing you, or anyone else, having to suffer unbearable pain.
The part about not allowing people to get what they need (assistance,
drugs, etc.) to commit suicide when they're in intractable, terminal
pain.
My problem is not with suicide; I can't think of a more personal issue. My
problem lies with the "ASSISTED".
Many of those who want to commit suicide due to intractable pain are
unable to do so themselves. It's a choice of assisted suicide or no
suicide (read: prolonged pain).
A licence to kill should never, ever
be granted to any segment of society. I have no doubt many would
observe the humane aspect of assisted suicide; it is the segment that
would abuse these priveledges that worry me.
Many doctors would observe the humane aspect of healing, but a segment
wouldn't. So we should prohibit the healing arts?
Depression, insurance
considerations, human error, or just pure evil could cause some cross
the line to murder.
Whether assisted suicide is legal or not. What's your point?
I fully support all means of pain-relief be made available to the suffering.
And it nothing will relieve the pain, but the person is in too much
pain, or too frail to commit suicide? Or has no means to do so? Just
let them suffer until they die?
What happened to the "compassionate Christian" concept of quality of
life?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Mar 2005 05:16:28 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:15:57 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 22:17:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
[]
But you would deny that dignity to people, and force them to live in
pain. That makes you sadistic scum in my book.
But know what? I'm not going to wish what I went through on you. I
would wish the reality of Hodgkin's Disease on the worst villain on
the planet.
I suspect in the second paragraph you forgot the " 'nt " in wouldn't.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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06 Mar 2005 10:51:12 PM |
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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 15:16:28 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:15:57 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 22:17:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
[]
But you would deny that dignity to people, and force them to live in
pain. That makes you sadistic scum in my book.
But know what? I'm not going to wish what I went through on you. I
would wish the reality of Hodgkin's Disease on the worst villain on
the planet.
I suspect in the second paragraph you forgot the " 'nt " in wouldn't.
Yup. Typing while ***** does that to me.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Mar 2005 07:42:08 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:51:12 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 15:16:28 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 07:15:57 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 22:17:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
drained his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
[]
But you would deny that dignity to people, and force them to live in
pain. That makes you sadistic scum in my book.
But know what? I'm not going to wish what I went through on you. I
would wish the reality of Hodgkin's Disease on the worst villain on
the planet.
I suspect in the second paragraph you forgot the " 'nt " in wouldn't.
Yup. Typing while ***** does that to me.
Understood. I figured you would show consideration and empathy for
others whereas the braindead morons lack that capability.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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03 Mar 2005 07:47:57 PM |
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On 2 Mar 2005 22:17:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
thought hard and said:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
Even if people want to die?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/03/02/BAGAJBJ40N1.DTL
Giving terminally ill the option of assisted suicide backed in poll
Wednesday, March 2, 2005
Sacramento -- Seven in 10 Californians support providing the state's
terminally ill with a legal path to end their lives pre-emptively, with
almost as many saying they would opt to do so themselves should they
ever face the situation, according to a poll released today.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "towelie" |
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03 Mar 2005 01:04:56 AM |
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TV's J Young wrote:
The culture of killing just seems to grow. Somehow the the LLL (Looney
Liberal Left) has convinced themselves that the ability to kill
another, be it unwanted babies, sick people, ect.., is a human right
that no goverment should infringe upon.
And how is that any better than the RRRRR (Religious Retarded Racist
Republican Right) and its culture of suffering? If somebody is dying, they
have the right to end their suffering. Period.
--
Jesus won't you fucking whistle something but the past and done? - Maynard
James Keenan
I'd rather die than give you control. - Trent Reznor
aa #2133
ap #19
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