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"Damian Brown" |
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08 Nov 2004 12:02:04 PM |
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Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
I am just a few hours back from Saturday Evening Mass, I was late for
Mass, but I was lucky enough to catch the words of the highly regarded
Priest's sermon as I dipped my hand in the Holy Water font at the
entrance of Church. "We all need to be re-born" and when I had settled
in my seat, after lighting a candle for my Dad, he was talking about
how we need to open our hearts to the Lord, as this is where we feel
the greatest pain and greatest joy in our life.
I am currently reading the Holy Bible, gifted to me by a born-again
Christian, whilst I am a practising Catholic. I have not previously
read most of the Old Testament, and I am beginning to understand why
the Jews only recognise the first 5 books of this Testament, that they
name the Torah. I have never really met any person who has been
vehemently atheist, but I have got friendly with a few on the internet
via the atheist newsgroup, when some of them were kind enough to
answer a quickly thought up survey of mine. I asked them some
philosophical questions that I don't remember the exact detail of, and
they showed their humanity and I imagined many of them to be good Dads
and family oriented. Many of them had read the Bible after they had
become atheist and had made a decision to reject the teaching of the
Bible. If you read the Old Testament, you see how the Lord, Our
Creator, can accept or reject his chosen people of Israel and many may
see this as quite ruthless and unforgiving.
Since my own Dad died, nearly 6 years ago, I can state that my Faith
has increased infinitely from the strong Faith I have always had when
I have been of sound mind. I must state that I am diagnosed with Manic
Depression and I have spent time in hospital for this twice for a few
months at a time. I am also on medication, seeing a Consultant
Psychiatrist and Care-Coordinator that I see as a Gift in my life,
rather than a hindrance as I did when I was younger.
In the past week, I have seen some lectures on television about great
men of science and art, which has prompted me to write this article.
The presenter of the lectures, who I find humorous and entertaining,
seems to put forward the view of a mocking atheist and acts quite
insultingly towards God at times, but I view it as just tongue in
cheek. Sometimes he goes out of his way to show that these great men
were actually atheists. Whether they became atheist after their
discovery of a scientific secret or were always atheist remains to be
seen. I must state here that my feelings about God were at their
lowest ebb when I suffered a mental breakdown when I was studying for
my A-levels at the age of 17. After an extra year of study I
eventually managed to gain A-levels in Maths, Physics and Chemistry.
These pioneers of Science who have been highlighted in the television
lectures, in my view, are geniuses of their time and they lived in a
time when the Popes would not be shy to exercise their position of
infallibility on matters of Science. Fortunately, the Church now puts
some faith in these men as proven by the fact that I received my
A-level teaching from Priests, at least in Physics which I did best
in. But I do not see these geniuses as Gods, but pioneers of how they
proved the ingenuity of Our Creator in the way he created the laws of
Science. I am not going to go into the laws of Physics in this
article, but once you understand the complexity of the rules they are
quite simple for man to understand. This takes nothing away from the
men who discovered the laws, they have a proper respect and place in
history, no matter what their belief in God was.
The presenter of the lectures does not just present the facts that
were proven by the pioneers, but talks about their lives. A good
proportion of them had what can be seen as mental problems later in
life. I see this as a product of their creativity not being completely
accepted or understood by the people of the time, and many people
would have perceived them as atheist when they challenged the teaching
of the Catholic Church of the time. Who had the intelligence or the
knowledge to back up their fact?
Many of the atheists of today seem to go out of their way to refute
the existence of God. In the survey I did in their newsgroup, I asked
if they believed that Jesus existed. Many of them replied that they
did believe He existed, but when I asked them if they believed in His
Divinity, they all said "No". This is the Crux of being a Christian, a
belief that Jesus Christ is the Divine Son of God. I believe He showed
and proved His Divinity and Glory when He was Crucified for the sake
of us. I am not saying this is the actual teaching of the Catholic
Church, but it is the first step in accepting that He is capable of
returning, either in Spirit, or in human form to save us at some time
in our lives.
Muslims believe in Jesus as a Prophet, as far as I know from talking
to Muslim friends of mine. Before I received my copy of the Holy
Bible, I used to read a certain translation of the Bible on the
internet. In the Gospel of John the Apostle, there was the translation
of a conversation between John and Jesus the night before He was to be
put to death. John asked of Jesus, "Haven't you come to create peace?"
and Jesus answered him, "No, I have come to divide. Someone else will
come for Peace." I am not sure which version of the Bible this was,
but when I last looked at the same website, I couldn't find the
conversation. But for a while, this gave me a renewed hope for this
world that we live in.
The Holy Bible that I am reading is not a Catholic Bible, and I have
yet to read the Koran, which has been recommended to me by both a
Muslim and a Catholic. I am not thinking of changing Faith, but I
believe you need to know the basis of someone's faith before you can
assess them and whether their actions, that show their soul, are right
or wrong. This is why I give atheists who believe that Jesus existed,
the benefit of the doubt, as they are only human and are often looking
for some kind of proof of our Creator God. They only need to open
their eyes, and proof is all around them.
I have been to Israel once, I felt a lump in my throat when the plane
landed at Ben Gurion airport in the land where Jesus had been born. I
worked on a moshav, pruning flowers, in the Negev Desert for a couple
of days, then worked on a Kibbutz in the Northern Galilee region for
about 3 months and had the time of my life. I would like to return,
with 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, some day soon.
True Faith is not just when you believe in God and yourself, it is
when others begin to believe in you as well – Damian John Paul Brown
2004
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
08 Nov 2004 01:47:19 PM |
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"Damian Brown" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com...
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Sorry what does your article have to do with atheism apart from the typical
whiney "proof is all around you" explanation
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| User: "Damian Brown" |
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09 Nov 2004 10:31:56 AM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message news:<cmoig7$gb9$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Damian Brown" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com...
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Sorry what does your article have to do with atheism apart from the typical
whiney "proof is all around you" explanation
Welcome to Your Church
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| User: "kathryn" |
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09 Nov 2004 11:29:15 AM |
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"Damian Brown" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:<cmoig7$gb9$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Damian Brown" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
news:9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com...
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Sorry what does your article have to do with atheism apart from the
typical
whiney "proof is all around you" explanation
Welcome to Your Church
Sorry but that's total *****. Just because you don't have the
intelligence to understand the workings of the world doesn't mean that it
was made by god.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
10 Nov 2004 03:01:06 PM |
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On 9 Nov 2004 08:31:56 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message news:<cmoig7$gb9$1@sparta.btinternet.com>...
"Damian Brown" < > wrote in message
news:9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com...
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Sorry what does your article have to do with atheism apart from the typical
whiney "proof is all around you" explanation
Welcome to Your Church
Liar.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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08 Nov 2004 05:35:56 PM |
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(Damian Brown) wrote in message news:<9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com>...
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
You ramble an awful lot. Can you, in your own words, tell us the point
of this article? I can't figure out what exactly you're trying to
convey. Atheism isn't evil and it isn't a 'true faith'.
This is why I give atheists who believe that Jesus existed,
the benefit of the doubt, as they are only human and are often looking
for some kind of proof of our Creator God.
Um, could you clarify what you mean by this? I don't think the answer
meant what you seem to hope it meant.
They only need to open
their eyes, and proof is all around them.
I assume you mean "open their eyes" metaphorically. As a metaphor for
what, exactly? Proof of what? What are the steps in the proof?
eyelessgame
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| User: "Jez" |
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08 Nov 2004 12:29:19 PM |
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Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
I am just a few hours back from Saturday Evening Mass, I was late for
Mass, but I was lucky enough to catch the words of the highly regarded
Priest's sermon as I dipped my hand in the Holy Water font at the
entrance of Church.
Aww man how many of you sick fucking retards are there ?
Take your Jesus and *****...this is alt.atheism..we don't believe
your childish fucking fairy tales.
Oh and...
*PLONK*
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Nov 2004 02:52:48 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:29:19 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
I am just a few hours back from Saturday Evening Mass, I was late for
Mass, but I was lucky enough to catch the words of the highly regarded
Priest's sermon as I dipped my hand in the Holy Water font at the
entrance of Church.
Aww man how many of you sick fucking retards are there ?
Many many millions.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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08 Nov 2004 12:25:49 PM |
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Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Good luck with that. The article seems a bit unfocused to
me - seems to just ramble on without any real conclusion.
What's the point that you are trying to make?
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Ike" |
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09 Nov 2004 07:26:35 PM |
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"Graham Kennedy" <graham@ditl.org> wrote in message
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Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Good luck with that. The article seems a bit unfocused to
me - seems to just ramble on without any real conclusion.
What's the point that you are trying to make?
Graham Kennedy
He is not expecting it to be published, just pulling our chain. there is no
dialogue here just a psuedo-religious ego trip.
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Freedom of thought entails no "Intellectual Property".
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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09 Nov 2004 07:37:05 AM |
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:25:49 -0600, Graham Kennedy wrote
(in article <1099938161.68147.0@despina.uk.clara.net>):
Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Good luck with that. The article seems a bit unfocused to
me - seems to just ramble on without any real conclusion.
What's the point that you are trying to make?
Oh, it will get published, some insane group of Christians will print it up
somewhere. It won't make any sense there, either, but they won't notice that
since they will be just as insane as he.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"(St. Paul)... preached holy acrimony, which is another
name for marriage."-12/31/95 issue of National Review
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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09 Nov 2004 12:14:03 PM |
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In our last thrilling episode, (Damian Brown)
was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on 8 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800
by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Comnsidering that your grammar remains pretty awful, and that the
piece is rambling with no point, I doubt you'll get out of the slush
pile.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Nov 2004 11:56:58 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, (Damian Brown)
said in alt.atheism:
often looking
for some kind of proof of our Creator God. They only need to open
their eyes, and proof is all around them.
Yet, any time we ask Christians to post this "proof" (proof is
objective evidence), we get subjective answers or nothing at all.
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"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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09 Nov 2004 04:51:39 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:56:58 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 8 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, (Damian Brown)
said in alt.atheism:
often looking
for some kind of proof of our Creator God. They only need to open
their eyes, and proof is all around them.
Yet, any time we ask Christians to post this "proof" (proof is
objective evidence), we get subjective answers or nothing at all.
It's an old principle invented by priests long even before the
birth of Christ.
Tell lies and ignore the protests.
Patiently and with a smile to give the impression that the
challengers are naive and you are all wisdom , keep telling the lie.
NEVER DEFEND THE LIE - that is a bad mistake only you can
possibly know 'the truth' and understand the truth, you are special
you are in contact with 'the' god, you are 'blessed' with wisdom.
Keep telling the big lie til the challengers grow weary and give up
and even you yourself start to 'believe' it. Then you become a 'true'
believer, you believe a lie in the face of overwhelming evidence
against. The more the evidence against, the stronger, the
purer, and truer your belief becomes. You have built yourself
a mighty dam 'gainst a sea of truth'. That is true belief
You cannot become a true believer, of course, until you have
entered the noble Lions den - an animal that is incapable of
hiding its true self, and cannot lie. This newsgroup is the
modern equivalent of that den of truth. Here you can become
a true believer by preaching your lies to us and then go away
after facing the truth with you belief unshaken.
Then keep telling the lie.
Then keep telling the lie
Then teach other to tell the lie
Then keep telling the lie
..... ad nauseum
In essence that is how religion works. The only real way to defeat
this is to invent a bigger lie. Only a lie told as above can defeat a
lie in the world of religion. Of course when two lies are of equal
force and presented with equal stubborness conflict inevitably arises.
There is no room for two conflicting lies, one has to eliminate the
other as otherwise they cancel one another out. I suspect that the
biggest recruiter for disbelief is the myriad of sects and religions
in the world each one giving the lie to the other. Thus the Catholic
lie cancels out the Protestant lie, Muslims cancel out Hindu's and
they all cancel out one another as each lie is brought into stark
relief by the other. Sometimes they come to a cozy agreement
not to expose one anothers lie, but that can only be a truce as
the conflict between them is inevitable.
Boy, since my first few posts here my shredder has got busy!
Sampling a few they seem to be yet more lies for the gullible
and like religion itself you have to be very gullible to fall for them
but then they only need a few to respond out of millions.
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Damian Brown" |
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09 Nov 2004 10:18:28 AM |
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Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Greetings from
LANCASHIRE - The Red Rose County and better at Cricket and Football
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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09 Nov 2004 02:53:54 PM |
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On 9 Nov 2004 08:18:28 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Greetings from
LANCASHIRE - The Red Rose County and better at Cricket and Football
I was in Lancashire last week to look at the Roman road on Blackstone
Edge. Reet grand view from up theer tha knaws ower Littleborough.
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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09 Nov 2004 03:34:31 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:53:54 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On 9 Nov 2004 08:18:28 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Greetings from
LANCASHIRE - The Red Rose County and better at Cricket and Football
I was in Lancashire last week to look at the Roman road on Blackstone
Edge. Reet grand view from up theer tha knaws ower Littleborough.
I used to go hiking there when I still lived in Manchester, before I
moved to the US.
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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09 Nov 2004 01:12:57 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:18:28 -0600, Damian Brown wrote
(in article <9c647c3f.0411090818.47844118@posting.google.com>):
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Greetings from
LANCASHIRE - The Red Rose County and better at Cricket and Football
I note that you did not address even one of his comments.
Go away, you insane idiot. Better yet, eat ***** and die horribly. Even
better, go preach to the (real) lions in their cage like that one idiot did
this past week. Maybe you will be lucky and do a better job than he did.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things, but I've never heard myself
think." - Duke32
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Nov 2004 03:05:09 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:12:57 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:18:28 -0600, Damian Brown wrote
(in article <9c647c3f.0411090818.47844118@posting.google.com>):
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Greetings from
LANCASHIRE - The Red Rose County and better at Cricket and Football
I note that you did not address even one of his comments.
Go away, you insane idiot. Better yet, eat ***** and die horribly. Even
better, go preach to the (real) lions in their cage like that one idiot did
this past week. Maybe you will be lucky and do a better job than he did.
Harry! That's being entirely too cruel to the lions, giving them bad
meat.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Nov 2004 02:50:56 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Only if they publish used toilet paper.
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Neither oh font of terminal ignorance.
[]
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "raven1" |
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08 Nov 2004 12:17:00 PM |
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On 8 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
Many of the atheists of today seem to go out of their way to refute
the existence of God. In the survey I did in their newsgroup, I asked
if they believed that Jesus existed. Many of them replied that they
did believe He existed, but when I asked them if they believed in His
Divinity, they all said "No".
Err, what exactly did you expect? Given that atheists don't believe
that god/s exist; why on earth would you expect an atheist to agree
that Jesus was "divine"?
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Nov 2004 02:52:08 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:17:00 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On 8 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
Many of the atheists of today seem to go out of their way to refute
the existence of God. In the survey I did in their newsgroup, I asked
if they believed that Jesus existed. Many of them replied that they
did believe He existed, but when I asked them if they believed in His
Divinity, they all said "No".
Err, what exactly did you expect? Given that atheists don't believe
that god/s exist; why on earth would you expect an atheist to agree
that Jesus was "divine"?
Well, Damien does exist in a "Santa Claus" world and then is surprised
when adults don't lie to him.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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09 Nov 2004 07:34:04 AM |
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:17:00 -0600, raven1 wrote
(in article <d9evo0li4902cbvvccf922q6f0an56ibd4@4ax.com>):
On 8 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
Many of the atheists of today seem to go out of their way to refute
the existence of God. In the survey I did in their newsgroup, I asked
if they believed that Jesus existed. Many of them replied that they
did believe He existed, but when I asked them if they believed in His
Divinity, they all said "No".
Err, what exactly did you expect? Given that atheists don't believe
that god/s exist; why on earth would you expect an atheist to agree
that Jesus was "divine"?
Could it be that he is insane?
I do think that is the correct answer.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
America, making tomorrow's terrorists today.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
08 Nov 2004 04:06:37 PM |
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On Mon 08 Nov 2004 12:02:04p, (Damian Brown)
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit
up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
And the question of the thread title -- "Atheism: Resident Evil or True
Faith?" remains unaddressed, undiscussed, and unanswered.
I suggest you don't give your thread a title that implies you're going
to discuss a subject that you don't even touch on in the actual post.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
10 Nov 2004 03:02:19 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:06:37 GMT, Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote:
On Mon 08 Nov 2004 12:02:04p, (Damian Brown)
kicked back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit
up a joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
And the question of the thread title -- "Atheism: Resident Evil or True
Faith?" remains unaddressed, undiscussed, and unanswered.
I suggest you don't give your thread a title that implies you're going
to discuss a subject that you don't even touch on in the actual post.
The subject itself indicated Damien was terminally clueless and
dishonest.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "spakka" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
08 Nov 2004 04:38:24 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Your story reminds me of Grandpa Simpson's one about the onion tied to his
belt.
I would like to return,
with 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, some day soon.
Still crazy I see.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
08 Nov 2004 06:17:55 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:38:24 GMT, spakka <usenet_spam@mail.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Your story reminds me of Grandpa Simpson's one about the onion tied to his
belt.
Which was the style in those days!
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| User: "Godfrey" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
09 Nov 2004 03:06:55 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:17:55 GMT, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:38:24 GMT, spakka <usenet_spam@mail.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:02:04 -0800, Damian Brown wrote:
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
Your story reminds me of Grandpa Simpson's one about the onion tied to his
belt.
Which was the style in those days!
Speaking of which, maybe The Onion willl publish this fine piece of
religious satire.
-Godfrey
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The truth is a precious commodity. That's why I use it so sparingly.
- Mark Twain
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
09 Nov 2004 07:33:19 AM |
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:02:04 -0600, Damian Brown wrote
(in article <9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com>):
I will be sending this article to many magazines and papers to see if
they will publish it
Atheism
Resident Evil or True Faith
False dichotomy, neither of the above have anything to do with atheists.
I am just a few hours back from Saturday Evening Mass, I was late for
Mass,
God will send you to hell for that, and rightfully so.
but I was lucky enough to catch the words of the highly regarded
Priest's
Only "highly regarded" by the insane, such as yourself.
sermon as I dipped my hand in the Holy Water font at the
entrance of Church. "We all need to be re-born"
I got it right the first time, I don't need to try it again.
and when I had settled
in my seat, after lighting a candle for my Dad, he was talking about
how we need to open our hearts to the Lord, as this is where we feel
the greatest pain and greatest joy in our life.
I can guarantee that I can give you more pain than you can possibly imagine.
I have dealt with on a daily basis with pain such as you can't possibly
imagine. I am hardly unique in having to deal with pain, billions of others
have suffered far more than you could stand, billions have suffered far more
than you claimed god suffered and for far longer as well.
I am currently reading the Holy Bible, gifted to me by a born-again
Christian, whilst I am a practising Catholic.
You do realize that the bible used by the "born-agains" is not the same as
that used by Catholics, right?
I have not previously
read most of the Old Testament, and I am beginning to understand why
the Jews only recognise the first 5 books of this Testament, that they
name the Torah.
Because the old testament was basically stolen from them, Judaism is not
Christian-Lite, it is its' own religion which was high-jacked by the early
Christians to legitimize Christianity.
I have never really met any person who has been
vehemently atheist, but I have got friendly with a few on the internet
via the atheist newsgroup,
Which is why most of us have put you in the kill-file, we do that with all
our friends. Please stop lying every time you drop by here, we aren't as
stupid as you seem to think we are.
when some of them were kind enough to
answer a quickly thought up survey of mine. I asked them some
philosophical questions that I don't remember the exact detail of, and
they showed their humanity and I imagined many of them to be good Dads
and family oriented. Many of them had read the Bible after they had
become atheist
Actually it was reading the bible that made many of us the atheists we are
today. I seldom read any of the damned thing these days, but I have read it
numerous times before.
and had made a decision to reject the teaching of the
Bible.
As was pointed out to you before, lying is not a good thing to do, this is
not what was told to you the other times you dropped in here.
Do you reject the testimony of Cthulu? No, you merely do not see it as
anything other than fiction. Some with us in regards to you silly book of
fiction.
If you read the Old Testament, you see how the Lord, Our
Creator, can accept or reject his chosen people of Israel and many may
see this as quite ruthless and unforgiving.
Exactly as ruthless and unforgiving as Jason with regards to his chosen
people, and as believable. (Cue Friday the 13th series of bad movies.)
Since my own Dad died, nearly 6 years ago, I can state that my Faith
has increased infinitely from the strong Faith I have always had when
I have been of sound mind. I must state that I am diagnosed with Manic
Depression and I have spent time in hospital for this twice for a few
months at a time. I am also on medication, seeing a Consultant
Psychiatrist and Care-Coordinator that I see as a Gift in my life,
rather than a hindrance as I did when I was younger.
So you are a mental case, big fucking surprise, we figured that out the first
time you came in here spewing your bull-crap.
In the past week, I have seen some lectures on television about great
men of science and art, which has prompted me to write this article.
The presenter of the lectures, who I find humorous and entertaining,
seems to put forward the view of a mocking atheist and acts quite
insultingly towards God at times, but I view it as just tongue in
cheek. Sometimes he goes out of his way to show that these great men
were actually atheists. Whether they became atheist after their
discovery of a scientific secret or were always atheist remains to be
seen. I must state here that my feelings about God were at their
lowest ebb when I suffered a mental breakdown when I was studying for
my A-levels at the age of 17. After an extra year of study I
eventually managed to gain A-levels in Maths, Physics and Chemistry.
These pioneers of Science who have been highlighted in the television
lectures, in my view, are geniuses of their time and they lived in a
time when the Popes would not be shy to exercise their position of
infallibility on matters of Science. Fortunately, the Church now puts
some faith in these men as proven by the fact that I received my
A-level teaching from Priests, at least in Physics which I did best
in. But I do not see these geniuses as Gods,
Neither do we. we just don't see that your claimed spook is a god either,
mostly because we see no reason to believe a crack-pot such as yourself or
other crack-pots who make similar claims to yours.
but pioneers of how they
proved the ingenuity of Our Creator in the way he created the laws of
Science.
There are no "laws of science." (You don't capitalize "science" unless it is
the first word in a sentence.)
I am not going to go into the laws of Physics in this
article, but once you understand the complexity of the rules they are
quite simple for man to understand. This takes nothing away from the
men who discovered the laws, they have a proper respect and place in
history, no matter what their belief in God was.
The presenter of the lectures does not just present the facts that
were proven by the pioneers,
In science facts are never "proven," and certainly theories are never
"proven."
but talks about their lives. A good
proportion of them had what can be seen as mental problems later in
life. I see this as a product of their creativity not being completely
accepted or understood by the people of the time, and many people
would have perceived them as atheist when they challenged the teaching
of the Catholic Church of the time. Who had the intelligence or the
knowledge to back up their fact?
Many of the atheists of today seem to go out of their way to refute
the existence of God.
If idiots, and mental cases such as yourself, did not force your idiocy on
us, we would not even bother with arguing about gods. But you idiots, and
mental cases such as yourself, do insist on crapping on non-believers all the
time, so don't ***** about getting your crap shoved right back on yourself
when you do.
In the survey I did in their newsgroup, I asked
if they believed that Jesus existed. Many of them replied that they
did believe He existed, but when I asked them if they believed in His
Divinity, they all said "No". This is the Crux of being a Christian, a
belief that Jesus Christ is the Divine Son of God. I believe He showed
and proved His Divinity and Glory when He was Crucified for the sake
of us.
The claim is that he "was crucified for the sake of us," this is not
supported with any verifiable evidence that he even existed, much less that
he was crucified, much less that he was crucified for the sake of us.
All we have are unevidenced claims, no facts, no evidence, nothing. Claims
made by crack-pots and mental cases, such as yourself.
I am not saying this is the actual teaching of the Catholic
Church, but it is the first step in accepting that He is capable of
returning, either in Spirit, or in human form to save us at some time
in our lives.
In the bible he claimed that he would return, while some of those standing
with him were still living. In case you havenŐt noticed, that was quite a
while ago, about 2000 years, all those folks who stood there with him are
long dead.
He ain't coming back, dead people tend to stay dead, people dead for 2000
years really tend to stay dead.
Muslims believe in Jesus as a Prophet, as far as I know from talking
to Muslim friends of mine. Before I received my copy of the Holy
Bible, I used to read a certain translation of the Bible on the
internet. In the Gospel of John the Apostle, there was the translation
of a conversation between John and Jesus the night before He was to be
put to death. John asked of Jesus, "Haven't you come to create peace?"
and Jesus answered him, "No, I have come to divide. Someone else will
come for Peace." I am not sure which version of the Bible this was,
but when I last looked at the same website, I couldn't find the
conversation. But for a while, this gave me a renewed hope for this
world that we live in.
Well you are a mental case, so maybe you just imagined you read it. (It would
not be the first time that this has happened.)
The Holy Bible that I am reading is not a Catholic Bible, and I have
yet to read the Koran, which has been recommended to me by both a
Muslim and a Catholic. I am not thinking of changing Faith, but I
believe you need to know the basis of someone's faith before you can
assess them and whether their actions, that show their soul, are right
or wrong.
And that is not going to help you with understanding atheists, since we don't
have a "faith."
This is why I give atheists who believe that Jesus existed,
the benefit of the doubt, as they are only human and are often looking
for some kind of proof of our Creator God. They only need to open
their eyes, and proof is all around them.
So much for you having any clue as to what "proof" or even "evidence" means.
I have been to Israel once, I felt a lump in my throat when the plane
landed at Ben Gurion airport in the land where Jesus had been born.
Well you are a mental case, crazy folks believe all sorts of weird things.
I
worked on a moshav, pruning flowers, in the Negev Desert for a couple
of days, then worked on a Kibbutz in the Northern Galilee region for
about 3 months and had the time of my life. I would like to return,
with 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, some day soon.
True Faith is not just when you believe in God and yourself, it is
when others begin to believe in you as well ö Damian John Paul Brown
2004
I don't need to have others "believe in me," only the insane need that sort
of validation to make their lives meaningful.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"You think atoms like having a half-life?"
Incenjucar
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| User: "Damian Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
10 Nov 2004 08:44:40 AM |
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Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BDB6233F008B2D6BF02845B0@news.central.cox.net>...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:02:04 -0600, Damian Brown wrote
(in article <9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com>):
Since my own Dad died, nearly 6 years ago, I can state that my Faith
has increased infinitely from the strong Faith I have always had when
I have been of sound mind. I must state that I am diagnosed with Manic
Depression and I have spent time in hospital for this twice for a few
months at a time. I am also on medication, seeing a Consultant
Psychiatrist and Care-Coordinator that I see as a Gift in my life,
rather than a hindrance as I did when I was younger.
So you are a mental case, big fucking surprise, we figured that out the first
time you came in here spewing your bull-crap.
Meet me in person and see who gets psychotic first, me or you
Manic Depression is a physical illness of the brain, not a mental
illness
when you have nothing sensible to say you resort to calling me a
"nutter"
that shows childishness, but as I read in the New Testament last night
The Divine Son of God said that you needed to be like a child to see
the Kingdom of God, so there is hope for you yet!
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism - Resident Evil or True Faith |
10 Nov 2004 09:39:53 AM |
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On 10 Nov 2004 06:44:40 -0800, (Damian Brown)
wrote:
Harry F. Leopold <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BDB6233F008B2D6BF02845B0@news.central.cox.net>...
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:02:04 -0600, Damian Brown wrote
(in article <9c647c3f.0411081002.3e7b99f5@posting.google.com>):
Since my own Dad died, nearly 6 years ago, I can state that my Faith
has increased infinitely from the strong Faith I have always had when
I have been of sound mind. I must state that I am diagnosed with Manic
Depression and I have spent time in hospital for this twice for a few
months at a time. I am also on medication, seeing a Consultant
Psychiatrist and Care-Coordinator that I see as a Gift in my life,
rather than a hindrance as I did when I was younger.
So you are a mental case, big fucking surprise, we figured that out the first
time you came in here spewing your bull-crap.
Meet me in person and see who gets psychotic first, me or you
Manic Depression is a physical illness of the brain, not a mental
illness
when you have nothing sensible to say you resort to calling me a
"nutter"
that shows childishness, but as I read in the New Testament last night
The Divine Son of God said that you needed to be like a child to see
the Kingdom of God, so there is hope for you yet!
What "Divine Son of God", moron?
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