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13 Aug 2005 07:45:37 PM |
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Atheism a religion? Please prove |
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this is
so.
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Andrew W.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "The Skeptic" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism a religion? Please prove |
13 Aug 2005 08:08:54 PM |
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Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this is
so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more involved
than merely believing something. I know people who believe in God but
are not religious. But they do believe.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism a religion? Please prove |
14 Aug 2005 04:32:33 AM |
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"The Skeptic" <Not@dialup.slow> wrote in message
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Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this
is
so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief.
No, it's a lack of belief in deities.
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism a religion? Please prove |
14 Aug 2005 07:27:07 AM |
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To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this
is
so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more involved
than merely believing something. I know people who believe in God but
are not religious. But they do believe.
Atheism is not a belief; it's knowledge. We know there are no gods.
There's no doubt in our minds. Plausibly, if we'd never been told of
gods, we wouldn't have contrived them.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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13 Aug 2005 10:18:14 PM |
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In article <42FE99E3.6814@dialup.slow>, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow>
wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this is
so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more involved
than merely believing something. I know people who believe in God but
are not religious. But they do believe.
While there are some who call themselves athesists who hold that lack of
belief is not enough to constitute atheism and that true atheism
requires a belief that there are no gods, there are considerably more
who merely lack belief in gods who still call themselves atheists.
Thus atheism in its most general sense is not even a belief, but a lack
thereof.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism a religion? Please prove |
13 Aug 2005 10:29:04 PM |
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Virgil wrote:
In article <42FE99E3.6814@dialup.slow>, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow>
wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this is
so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more involved
than merely believing something. I know people who believe in God but
are not religious. But they do believe.
While there are some who call themselves athesists who hold that lack of
belief is not enough to constitute atheism and that true atheism
requires a belief that there are no gods, there are considerably more
who merely lack belief in gods who still call themselves atheists.
Atheism is merely the lack of belief. It's the definition of the word.
Thus atheism in its most general sense is not even a belief, but a lack
thereof.
Yup.
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism a religion? Please prove |
13 Aug 2005 11:13:13 PM |
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Virgil wrote:
The Skeptic wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove
that this is so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more
involved than merely believing something. I know people who
believe in God but are not religious. But they do believe.
While there are some who call themselves athesists who hold
that lack of belief is not enough to constitute atheism
This statement is not exactly untrue, but it is misleading.
First, though I dislike the term for various reasons--not the
least of which is the necessary pejorative association of the
opposing term--I do happen to qualify as a ``strong'' atheist.
Yet I would not say that I ``believe'' that there are no gods, for
exactly the same reason that I would never tell you that my cat
has three legs. My cat, in fact, has four legs--though, of course,
that obviously means that she also has three legs.
I can provide ample objective proof that there are no (non-idol)
gods. Therefore, I do not /believe/ that there are no gods;
rather, I /know/ that there are no gods.
and that true atheism requires a belief that there are no gods,
I would never even think of hinting that that might be the case.
An atheist is somebody without theism--that is, without
gods. Nothing more, nothing less.
Of course, just as everything else in the universe comes in an
overwhelming variety of variations, so too does atheism. There are
even religious atheists like some Buddhists, for example. The term
is very limited in scope, very precise.
there are considerably more who merely lack belief in gods who
still call themselves atheists.
And most rightly so.
Thus atheism in its most general sense is not even a belief, but
a lack thereof.
Absolutely. Atheism truly is nothingness, the empty set. It isn't
even a god-shaped hole in the atheist's mind--there's not even a
place for the hole to begin with.
Cheers,
b&
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BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Aug 2005 05:47:09 AM |
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In episode <42FE99E3.6814@dialup.slow>, The Skeptic burst into the room
and exclaimed:
Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this
is so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief.
I believe that's wrong.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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13 Aug 2005 09:16:55 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:08:54 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
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Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more involved
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It is quite the opposite, in fact.
Atheism is a *LACK* a belief.
The absence of theism.
Is "Not collecting stamps" a hobby?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Aug 2005 08:20:19 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:08:54 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this is
so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more involved
than merely believing something. I know people who believe in God but
are not religious. But they do believe.
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
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| User: "The Skeptic" |
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13 Aug 2005 09:41:40 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:08:54 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
Andrew W wrote:
To those who maintain that atheism is a religion, please prove that this is
so.
Atheism is not a religion, but a belief. A religion is more involved
than merely believing something. I know people who believe in God but
are not religious. But they do believe.
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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13 Aug 2005 09:47:15 PM |
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No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
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| User: "" |
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14 Aug 2005 03:18:44 AM |
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"Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1123987635.481016.114900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
So, then, ...it's WRONG to say that you don't "believe" in God?
Or better, it's WRONG to say that you "believe" that God doesn't exist?
Hmmm... no beliefs at all? I think that they call that a "rock"!
Trust me, it was much easier to understand Skeptic's statement than your
own!
Methinks there are times to just admit your quandry silently, and retort
not!
joy_rider
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| User: "Syd M." |
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15 Aug 2005 03:05:21 AM |
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Hmmm... no beliefs at all? I think that they call that a "rock"!
No beliefs in the "god" thing, no.
Trust me, it was much easier to understand Skeptic's statement than your
own!
Nope, sorry. I don't believe you either. Skeptic's little outburst
wasn't coherant. And I will not keep quite when confronted wich such
blatent ignorance.
PDW
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| User: "The Skeptic" |
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13 Aug 2005 09:50:20 PM |
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Syd M. wrote:
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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14 Aug 2005 04:34:03 AM |
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"The Skeptic" <Not@dialup.slow> wrote in message
news:42FEB1A9.612B@dialup.slow...
You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
A belief in what, exactly?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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13 Aug 2005 10:02:36 PM |
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You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
Your wrong.
I have no belief in god.
That is all
PDW
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| User: "Virgil" |
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13 Aug 2005 10:37:44 PM |
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In article <42FEB1A9.612B@dialup.slow>, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow>
wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
What is it that someone who does not have a belief must, according to
"The Skeptic", believe in? The belief that they do not have any belief?
Those who believe in Yetis will no doubt claim that those who have no
opninion about yetis must actively believe that they do not exist.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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13 Aug 2005 10:33:09 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:50:20 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
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You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
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Run that by us again?
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| User: "raven1" |
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14 Aug 2005 01:35:14 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:50:20 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
<plonk>
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Aug 2005 09:52:56 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:50:20 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
No, moron. You have to be pretty stupid to imagine that.
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| User: "Syd M." |
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13 Aug 2005 10:04:54 PM |
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No, moron. You have to be pretty stupid to >imagine that.
Christopher A. Lee
Yeah, it seems that he just can't imagine anyone not believing in his
god.
PDW
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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14 Aug 2005 07:15:14 AM |
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On 13 Aug 2005 20:04:54 -0700, "Syd M." <pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, moron. You have to be pretty stupid to >imagine that.
Christopher A. Lee
Yeah, it seems that he just can't imagine anyone not believing in his
god.
PDW
His god?
Which god does The Skeptic believe in and how did you find out about
it?
Mark.
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| User: "Syd M." |
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15 Aug 2005 03:07:00 AM |
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His god?
Which god does The Skeptic believe in and how did >you find out about
it?
Mark.
Wichever god he belives in.
PDW
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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14 Aug 2005 01:06:37 PM |
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Mark Richardson wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
No, moron. You have to be pretty stupid to imagine that.
Yeah, it seems that he just can't imagine anyone not believing
in his god.
His god?
Which god does The Skeptic believe in and how did you find out
about it?
This chum has made a number of posts in other threads clearly
identifying it as Catholic.
Cheers,
b&
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BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
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| User: "Syd M." |
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15 Aug 2005 03:09:27 AM |
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This chum has made a number of posts in other threads clearly
identifying it as Catholic.
Cheers,
b&
Ah. I thought so.
Thanks.
PDW, who can't be bothered to read up on skeptic either...
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| User: "The Skeptic" |
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13 Aug 2005 10:00:54 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:50:20 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
No, moron. You have to be pretty stupid to imagine that.
Moron? I see you graduated from kindergarten. Odd that you should know
how to type though.
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| User: "Syd M." |
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13 Aug 2005 10:06:30 PM |
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Moron? I see you graduated from kindergarten. Odd that you should know
how to type though.
I see you have no answer for Chris' statement then. Just the typical
ad hom attacks.
Typical.
PDW
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| User: "Virgil" |
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13 Aug 2005 10:59:52 PM |
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In article <42FEB423.1629@dialup.slow>, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow>
wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:50:20 GMT, The Skeptic <Not@dialup.slow> wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
No, moron. You have to be pretty stupid to imagine that.
Moron? I see you graduated from kindergarten. Odd that you should know
how to type though.
Is it more moronic to say that lack something is merely its absence of
that something or to insist that that lack requires the presence of
something else.
Absence of belief is not like a vacuum, except in the imaginations of
those who have the beleif.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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13 Aug 2005 10:20:51 PM |
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The Skeptic wrote:
Syd M. wrote:
No. It's the absence of a specific belief.
So since there's an absence of a belief in Islam within me, then my
disbelief is not a belief?
What?
You wanna try posting that so people can understand it, sparky?
If I understand what you ask (And it's a sure bet I don't) then, no,
atheism is not a belief. We have no belief in god's existance. No
belief, no religion, no nothing of that sort.
I hope that is sufficiant. (Though I bet it ain't)
PDW
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief.
You're right. Our disbelief is not a belief, just as "bald" is not a
hair color, but a "lack of hair."
Billions of people believe in a god of
some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a belief.
No, it's the lack of a belief. Do try to learn English.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Theo Bekkers" |
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14 Aug 2005 10:19:54 PM |
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The Skeptic wrote:
You're right. It's not. You say you don't believe, and yet you say
your disbelief is not a belief. Billions of people believe in a god
of some sort. It's a belief. You don't believe in a god. It's a
belief.
I don't believe in the tooth fairy, is that a belief too?
Theo
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