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19 May 2004 05:54:22 AM |
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Atheism and agnosticism: what's the best? |
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Franco
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| Title: Re: Atheism and agnosticism: what's the best? |
19 May 2004 09:14:26 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
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What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Who is the best, Superman or Spiderman?
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±__)(ElfØ)(__±
"Born to breathe Not much else You'll die of nothing Like everybody else
Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
From myself I can't see Blind is what I am
Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"
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| User: "Franco" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and agnosticism: what's the best? |
19 May 2004 12:02:07 PM |
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+» Elfo «+ ha scritto nel messaggio <2h18gdF80ssrU1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
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What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Who is the best, Superman or Spiderman?
Why do you define yourself as an agnostic and not as an atheist?
Or you chose that at random?:)
Bye bye
Franco
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| User: "+» Elfo «+" |
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19 May 2004 12:20:21 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
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news:y1Hqc.289808$rM4.12241177@news4.tin.it...
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Who is the best, Superman or Spiderman?
Why do you define yourself as an agnostic and not as an atheist?
Or you chose that at random?:)
I'm an atheist and an agnostic at the same time.
The two things don't exclude each other.
P.s. Please, take a look at the new Hypermars's post.
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±__)(ElfØ)(__±
"Born to breathe Not much else You'll die of nothing Like everybody else
Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
From myself I can't see Blind is what I am
Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"
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| User: "Franco" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and agnosticism: what's the best? |
19 May 2004 03:15:19 PM |
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+» Elfo «+ ha scritto nel messaggio <2h1jb3F7knf6U1@uni-berlin.de>...
I'm an atheist and an agnostic at the same time.
The first cause is big bang and not god.
God does not intervene in our life.
Why do you need to be an agnostic?
Bye
Franco
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| User: "+» Elfo «+" |
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20 May 2004 03:08:38 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
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Why do you need to be an agnostic?
'Cos I know that I don't know.
It's simple. :)
ByeZ
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±__)(ElfØ)(__±
"Born to breathe Not much else You'll die of nothing Like everybody else
Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
From myself I can't see Blind is what I am
Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"
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| User: "Franco" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and agnosticism: what's the best? |
20 May 2004 06:19:55 AM |
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+» Elfo «+ ha scritto nel messaggio <2h37cgF8emf2U1@uni-berlin.de>...
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
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Why do you need to be an agnostic?
'Cos I know that I don't know.
WHAT do you know that you do not know?
Your statement is too general.
Bye
Franco
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| User: "+» Elfo «+" |
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20 May 2004 09:38:08 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
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Why do you need to be an agnostic?
'Cos I know that I don't know.
WHAT do you know that you do not know?
Your statement is too general.
But, alas, that's my statement.
Right?
ByeZ
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±__)(ElfØ)(__±
"Born to breathe Not much else You'll die of nothing Like everybody else
Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
From myself I can't see Blind is what I am
Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"
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| User: "Antonio Fanelli" |
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20 May 2004 12:50:11 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 19:20:21 +0200, "+» Elfo «+"
<elfo_grigio@despammed.com> wrote:
I'm an atheist and an agnostic at the same time.
I'm an agnostic according to my reason and an atheist according to my
feelings.
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We can't bring down the Senior Partners,
but for one bright, shining moment,
we can show them that they don't own us.
You need to decide for yourselves if that's worth dying for
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| User: "+» Elfo «+" |
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20 May 2004 01:19:55 PM |
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"Antonio Fanelli" <xander@nelbuio.net> tecnë:
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I'm an atheist and an agnostic at the same time.
I'm an agnostic according to my reason and an atheist according to my
feelings.
Simply perfect, Antonio, as usual :)
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±__)(ElfØ)(__±
"Born to breathe Not much else You'll die of nothing Like everybody else
Born to breathe Nothing is what I am No-one to save me
From myself I can't see Blind is what I am
Swimming for the womb Like everybody else"
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| User: "LP" |
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19 May 2004 11:31:04 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:14:26 +0200, "+» Elfo «+"
<elfo_grigio@despammed.com> wrote:
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
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What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Who is the best, Superman or Spiderman?
That depends on how much kryptonite your foe has.
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| User: "Antonio Fanelli" |
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19 May 2004 11:55:43 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:14:26 +0200, "+» Elfo «+"
<elfo_grigio@despammed.com> wrote:
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Who is the best, Superman or Spiderman?
I don't care.
Batman is the only one!
--
We can't bring down the Senior Partners,
but for one bright, shining moment,
we can show them that they don't own us.
You need to decide for yourselves if that's worth dying for
per scrivere sostituire toto63.net a nelbuio.net
www.toto63.net
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| User: "RDPerry" |
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19 May 2004 12:39:07 PM |
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Can't we stay focused....please.
"Antonio Fanelli" <xander@nelbuio.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:14:26 +0200, "+» Elfo «+"
<elfo_grigio@despammed.com> wrote:
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Who is the best, Superman or Spiderman?
I don't care.
Batman is the only one!
--
We can't bring down the Senior Partners,
but for one bright, shining moment,
we can show them that they don't own us.
You need to decide for yourselves if that's worth dying for
per scrivere sostituire toto63.net a nelbuio.net
www.toto63.net
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| User: "Holly the Heretic" |
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20 May 2004 09:05:57 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:55:43 +0200, Antonio Fanelli
<xander@nelbuio.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:14:26 +0200, "+» Elfo «+"
<elfo_grigio@despammed.com> wrote:
"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> tecnë:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Who is the best, Superman or Spiderman?
I don't care.
Batman is the only one!
Damn right! I read Arkham Asylum the other day. Had to sleep with the
light on :-/
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| User: "Another Apostate" |
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19 May 2004 11:19:38 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
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What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Franco
Go with what best suits you.
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| User: "The Clayton, The Bitch And The Wardrobe Drinker" |
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19 May 2004 08:11:33 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message
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What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Franco
"Best"? Not an appropriate qualification!
I say if the shoe fits....
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| User: "Victor Purinton" |
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19 May 2004 11:44:50 AM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote in message news:<y1Hqc.289808$rM4.12241177@news4.tin.it>...
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Franco
I've plugged all the variables into the equation, and come up with an answer.
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| User: "Spooked " |
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19 May 2004 08:05:47 PM |
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"Franco" <englishenglish@tin.it> wrote:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
[atheism
Atheism is traditionally defined as disbelief in the existence of God.
As such, atheism involves active rejection of belief in the existence
of God.
However, since there are many concepts of God and these concepts are
usually rooted in some culture or tradition, atheism might be defined
as the belief that a particular word used to refer to a particular god
is a word that has no reference. Thus, there are as many different
kinds of atheism as there are names of gods.]
http://skepdic.com/atheism.html
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| User: "Woodridge" |
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20 May 2004 06:20:14 AM |
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"Franco" asked:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
May I ask which are the parameters to build an answer on?
Thanks a lot in advance.
Regards
Woodridge
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| User: "Franco" |
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20 May 2004 06:24:46 AM |
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Woodridge ha scritto nel messaggio ...
"Franco" asked:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
May I ask which are the parameters to build an answer on?
There are believers claiming about deities, existence of deities, creation
of deities and so on.
What's the best position about their statements? Agnosticism or atheism?
bye
Franco
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 May 2004 08:30:42 PM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 11:24:46 +0000 in episode
<2A0rc.299964$rM4.12538892@news4.tin.it> we saw our hero "Franco"
<englishenglish@tin.it>:
Woodridge ha scritto nel messaggio ...
"Franco" asked:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
May I ask which are the parameters to build an answer on?
There are believers claiming about deities, existence of deities, creation
of deities and so on.
What's the best position about their statements? Agnosticism or atheism?
Yes.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Finally, we're reaching true equality in our schools.
NOBODY is getting an education...
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| User: "Bucephalis" |
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22 May 2004 12:05:35 AM |
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If you're not sure there is a God, be an agnostic. If you are sure
there isn't, be an atheist.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 May 2004 11:01:23 AM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 05:05:35 +0000 in episode
<zcBrc.25954$KE6.11727@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> we saw our hero
Bucephalis <xsglynn@earthlink.net>:
If you're not sure there is a God, be an agnostic. If you are sure there
isn't, be an atheist.
No, if you lack belief in any gods, you are an atheist. If you reject the
idea it is possible to "know" things without evidence and reason to
back them up you're agnostic (ala Huxley at least). I both lack belief and
reject that believers "know" the things they claim which they cannot back
them up with evidence and reason. Hence, I'm agnostic atheist.
There never has been any actual conflict between atheism and agnosticism.
They're about two different things. One is about belief, the other about
knowledge.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Finally, we're reaching true equality in our schools.
NOBODY is getting an education...
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| User: "Spooked " |
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22 May 2004 11:21:30 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 05:05:35 +0000 in episode
<zcBrc.25954$KE6.11727@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> we saw our hero
Bucephalis <xsglynn@earthlink.net>:
If you're not sure there is a God, be an agnostic. If you are sure there
isn't, be an atheist.
No, if you lack belief in any gods, you are an atheist. If you reject the
idea it is possible to "know" things without evidence and reason to
back them up you're agnostic (ala Huxley at least). I both lack belief and
reject that believers "know" the things they claim which they cannot back
them up with evidence and reason. Hence, I'm agnostic atheist.
There never has been any actual conflict between atheism and agnosticism.
They're about two different things. One is about belief, the other about
knowledge.
gnothi seauton isn't so bad.
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| User: "Douglas" |
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19 May 2004 08:56:32 PM |
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Agnostisims is the best. It says not only that we don't know about God, but
also that human cannot ever know about God.
I used to be a strict Atheist until a some one told me, "Ya know, saying for
sure that there is no God is basically the same as saying for sure there is
a God." Don't know where he got it from but he changed me from Atheist to
Agnostic in about 3 minutes.
Think about it...
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| User: "BluDes" |
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20 May 2004 03:17:53 AM |
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Douglas ha scritto:
Agnostisims is the best. It says not only that we don't know about God, but
also that human cannot ever know about God.
I used to be a strict Atheist until a some one told me, "Ya know, saying for
sure that there is no God is basically the same as saying for sure there is
a God." Don't know where he got it from but he changed me from Atheist to
Agnostic in about 3 minutes.
Think about it...
no way. I don't say there is no god even if I have no proof of this.
I say:
you claim that something you call god exists.
ok, I can accept that.
Now, if you want me to believe in what you say show me your god, or at
least prove it somehow.
you can't do it so why should I believe in what you say?
therefore I don't believe in what you call god.
AFAIK agnostic are more philosophers than atheists ang go forward in
searching for a reason to this fantasy someone invented.
I don't care about it, they do. It's ok.
Daniele
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 May 2004 08:31:44 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:56:32 -0500 in episode
<c8h38h$2g1$1@news.datasync.com> we saw our hero "Douglas"
<douglas.nospam@i-55.com>:
Agnostisims is the best. It says not only that we don't know about God,
but also that human cannot ever know about God. I used to be a strict
Atheist until a some one told me, "Ya know, saying for sure that there is
no God is basically the same as saying for sure there is a God." Don't
know where he got it from but he changed me from Atheist to Agnostic in
about 3 minutes.
Think about it...
Except that atheism is simply lacking belief in any gods. So if you don't,
right now, have a positive belief in one or more gods, you're still an
atheist...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Finally, we're reaching true equality in our schools.
NOBODY is getting an education...
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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19 May 2004 11:15:06 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:56:32 -0500, "Douglas"
<douglas.nospam@i-55.com> wrote:
Agnostisims is the best. It says not only that we don't know about God, but
also that human cannot ever know about God.
I used to be a strict Atheist until a some one told me, "Ya know, saying for
sure that there is no God is basically the same as saying for sure there is
a God." Don't know where he got it from but he changed me from Atheist to
Agnostic in about 3 minutes.
Think about it...
Certainty - "being sure" is not part of the definition of atheist.
Think about *that* for three minutes - if you need that long.
Mark.
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Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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20 May 2004 02:29:44 AM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:56:32 -0500, "Douglas"
<douglas.nospam@i-55.com> wrote:
Agnostisims is the best. It says not only that we don't know about God, but
also that human cannot ever know about God.
I used to be a strict Atheist until a some one told me, "Ya know, saying for
sure that there is no God is basically the same as saying for sure there is
a God." Don't know where he got it from but he changed me from Atheist to
Agnostic in about 3 minutes.
Think about it...
Think about your own strawman.
Then think about the fact that atheists haven't anything to be
agnostic about.
And then think about the fact that the theist's god-premise sdoesn't
even apply outside the theist''s own theism.
Finally think instead of regurgitating such stupidity.
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| User: "BluDes" |
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19 May 2004 06:30:36 AM |
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Franco ha scritto:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Franco
none of them.
the best thing one could do is to think with his own head.
I'm really ***** of your attacking the agnostics.
I'm an atheist like you but I don't give a damn about what other people
think.
You think that the christian god doesn't exist, well, the agnostics
think this too.
They just say that they can't tell whether the universe was created or not.
I don't care about this since there is no evidence and there are more
relevant things than the beginning of the universe in my life, but you
insist claiming that the creation can't be possible even if you have no
proof!
They are right when they say you have some kind of belief/religion.
How comes that you need to spread your truth all over the world?
doesn't this remember you something?
They are not trying to convert you to agnosticism, they are OK with your
atheism so, what's the problem?
Do you really need the whole world to say that you're right?
isn't it enough for you to be free of thinking whatever you want to?
Daniele
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| User: "LanaXZR" |
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19 May 2004 08:36:29 AM |
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Franco ha scritto:
What's the best, atheism or agnosticism?
Franco
none of them.
the best thing one could do is to think with his own head.
I'm really ***** of your attacking the agnostics.
I'm an atheist like you but I don't give a damn about what other people
think.
You think that the christian god doesn't exist, well, the agnostics
think this too.
They just say that they can't tell whether the universe was created or not.
I don't care about this since there is no evidence and there are more
relevant things than the beginning of the universe in my life, but you
insist claiming that the creation can't be possible even if you have no
proof!
They are right when they say you have some kind of belief/religion.
How comes that you need to spread your truth all over the world?
doesn't this remember you something?
They are not trying to convert you to agnosticism, they are OK with your
atheism so, what's the problem?
Do you really need the whole world to say that you're right?
isn't it enough for you to be free of thinking whatever you want to?
Daniele
I'm an atheist but my husband is more of an agnostic. Actually, he's an
agnostic apethetic. He doesn't know if there's a god and doesn't care.
Lana (who probably thinks about such things more because of her 12 years in
catholic school - shudder.)
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