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"StMichael" |
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24 Mar 2007 09:13:29 PM |
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Atheism and its philosophical problems |
Atheism lacks any real metaphysical justification for its claims.
Likewise, certain problematic conclusions follow:
1) With a lack of an objective basis for reality comes a lack of an
objective basis for truth. As such, any statements about reality fail
and atheism becomes purely subjective/nihilistic (ultimately).
2) If one embraces a pure materialism (which atheism ostensibly does,
in general), all logical thought becomes utterly senseless and
useless. In this event, all natural science or possibility of
knowledge becomes impossible. Again, one is led into the realm of a
purely subjective/nihilistic thought (or, more properly, a denial of
the possibility of thought).
3) A lack of concrete basis in reality for good or evil actions leads
to a totally subjective morality determined one of three ways: either
by the state (leading to a totalitarian model or some version of
morality following on the social zeitgeist), or by the individual
(which means everything is moral and nothing is moral), or not at all
(moral nihilism). Eventually, it would likewise seem the third option
is inevitable one way or another.
Tell me what you think here.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 06:26:25 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk>
wrote
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Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Based on what evidence?
Go look for them, they are not that hard to find.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 07:06:30 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk>
wrote
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Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Based on what evidence?
Go look for them, they are not that hard to find.
No, really, based on what evidence.
Your rather bizarre opinion doesn't count.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 07:27:31 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk>
wrote
snip
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Based on what evidence?
Go look for them, they are not that hard to find.
No, really, based on what evidence.
Apollo and Zeus don't do as I command.
If you want to know they are real, you are going
to have to go looking for them.
And they are not that hard to find.
Your rather bizarre opinion doesn't count.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 07:35:02 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk>
wrote
snip
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Based on what evidence?
Go look for them, they are not that hard to find.
No, really, based on what evidence.
Apollo and Zeus don't do as I command.
If you want to know they are real, you are going
to have to go looking for them.
Why would I want to do that? I prefer to live in the real world. I have no
need to search for fictious characters.
And they are not that hard to find.
Prove it.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 02:32:37 AM |
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In article <130ejrdmp7b4t9b@corp.supernews.com>,
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
One may define what one cannot instantiate.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 04:13:22 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:32:37 -0600, Virgil <virgil@comcast.net> wrote:
- Refer: <virgil-B006D3.01323726032007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>
In article <130ejrdmp7b4t9b@corp.supernews.com>,
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
One may define what one cannot instantiate.
For instance: one could define Mark's sanity, but that plainly does
not exist.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 07:06:21 AM |
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On Mar 26, 12:43 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in messagenews:1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Zeus, the father of Heracles? Thor, the son of Odin? If they ever
existed then what makes you think they still do?
Hint: If it walks like a man and talks like a man then it is a man and
not a god.
Martin
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 06:25:59 PM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1174910780.950797.20650@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 12:43 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk>
wrote
in messagenews:1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Zeus, the father of Heracles? Thor, the son of Odin? If they ever
existed then what makes you think they still do?
I have met several of the gods, including Zeus, Apollo and Neptune.
If that many exist, I am sure that they all do.
Hint: If it walks like a man and talks like a man then it is a man and
not a god.
Things are not always as they seem.
We should not judge reality by the surface of things.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 03:45:01 AM |
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On Mar 26, 5:43 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in messagenews:1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 25, 5:42 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"J Forbes" <jforbnos...@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to ignore
it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the
exception to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll offer my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!): God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Supposing that Huitzilpotchli expected and required you to pluck your
child's beating heart from its chest, and burn it on your local church
altar, and you prayed to God for guidance, and got no answer, what
would you do?
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 06:24:21 PM |
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"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1174898701.548349.193130@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 5:43 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk>
wrote
in messagenews:1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 25, 5:42 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"J Forbes" <jforbnos...@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to
ignore
it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the
exception to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll
offer my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!):
God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Supposing that Huitzilpotchli expected and required you to pluck your
child's beating heart from its chest, and burn it on your local church
altar, and you prayed to God for guidance, and got no answer, what
would you do?
Then I would ask God to eliminate such a god.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
27 Mar 2007 02:58:11 AM |
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On Mar 27, 12:24 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in messagenews:1174898701.548349.193130@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 26, 5:43 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk>
wrote
in messagenews:1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 25, 5:42 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"J Forbes" <jforbnos...@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to
ignore
it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the
exception to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll
offer my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!):
God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Why not? I'm sure that they exist.
Supposing that Huitzilpotchli expected and required you to pluck your
child's beating heart from its chest, and burn it on your local church
altar, and you prayed to God for guidance, and got no answer, what
would you do?
Then I would ask God to eliminate such a god.
Suppose he isn't there or doesn't care?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
25 Mar 2007 08:17:44 AM |
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On 25 Mar 2007 04:34:10 -0700, "Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist
minister" <user13@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
- Refer: <1174822450.802705.36330@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
On Mar 25, 5:42 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"J Forbes" <jforbnos...@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to ignore it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the exception to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll offer my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!): God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or Huitzilpotchli?
Because the schizophrenic voices in his addled head tell him not to.
--
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
24 Mar 2007 11:49:06 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
<130bvcmqvida379@corp.supernews.com>:
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to ignore it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the exception to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll offer my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!): God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
As I was going up the stair
I met a man, who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away.
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
How does your logic work?
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
25 Mar 2007 12:24:30 AM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:amvb03ltfhejir8so1l59m6pdisibn9b8q@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
<130bvcmqvida379@corp.supernews.com>:
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to ignore
it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the exception
to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll offer my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!): God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
As I was going up the stair
I met a man, who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away.
Perfect illustration of the relationship between the atheist and God!
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
How does your logic work?
When ever we say anything, we are trying to bring something from the
state of non existence to existence.
Which is why every time atheists use the word God, they are in a way
bringing him to life, just in a cage, to them.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
25 Mar 2007 02:43:44 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:130c1s93f3t4jc7@corp.supernews.com...
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:amvb03ltfhejir8so1l59m6pdisibn9b8q@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
<130bvcmqvida379@corp.supernews.com>:
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to ignore
it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the
exception
to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll offer my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!): God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
As I was going up the stair
I met a man, who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away.
Perfect illustration of the relationship between the atheist and God!
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
How does your logic work?
When ever we say anything, we are trying to bring something from the
state of non existence to existence.
But of course, that's a completely idiotic claim.When I say Darth Vader, I'm
not trying to bring Darth Vader into existence.
Which is why every time atheists use the word God, they are in a way
bringing him to life, just in a cage, to them.
Ok, obviously the problem is that you're stupid.
Really fucking stupid.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
25 Mar 2007 11:36:50 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:k82dnQddPf2ztZvbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@io.com...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:130c1s93f3t4jc7@corp.supernews.com...
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:amvb03ltfhejir8so1l59m6pdisibn9b8q@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
<130bvcmqvida379@corp.supernews.com>:
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
news:1174795677.269811.107030@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174795134.030282.27670@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to
ignore
it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the
exception
to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll offer
my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!):
God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
As I was going up the stair
I met a man, who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away.
Perfect illustration of the relationship between the atheist and God!
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
How does your logic work?
When ever we say anything, we are trying to bring something from the
state of non existence to existence.
But of course, that's a completely idiotic claim.When I say Darth Vader,
I'm
not trying to bring Darth Vader into existence.
That's idiotic. Of course you are.
Which is why every time atheists use the word God, they are in a way
bringing him to life, just in a cage, to them.
Ok, obviously the problem is that you're stupid.
Really fucking stupid.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 11:34:18 AM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:130ejese5rfiv68@corp.supernews.com...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:k82dnQddPf2ztZvbnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@io.com...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:42:04 -0600, in alt.atheism
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
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Mark Earnest wrote:
"Olrik" <olrik666@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 24, 10:24 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
God caused, created, himself, out of nothing.
Fallacy of special pleading :
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You've been here in a.a. for a while, you have no excuse to
ignore
it.
God has a reason for being exempt: by definition God is the
exception
to
many rules.
For some reason, I'm not going to take your word for it. I'll offer
my
own definition of God (I have as much right to do so as you do!):
God
is that which is not there
How could something not be there?
As I was going up the stair
I met a man, who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away.
Perfect illustration of the relationship between the atheist and God!
By saying it is not there you have just implied its existence,
only with the addition that you attempt to deny its right to exist.
How does your logic work?
When ever we say anything, we are trying to bring something from the
state of non existence to existence.
But of course, that's a completely idiotic claim.When I say Darth Vader,
I'm
not trying to bring Darth Vader into existence.
That's idiotic. Of course you are.
That's it? That's your comeback? That's what passes for wit in the dark,
echoing chambers of your head? Surely, with just a little thought, you could
have come up with something better than a lame variation on "I know you are
but what am I". You're not even trying.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
25 Mar 2007 03:36:44 AM |
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On Mar 25, 1:24 pm, <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
When ever we say anything, we are trying to bring something from the
state of non existence to existence.
Which is why every time atheists use the word God, they are in a way
bringing him to life, just in a cage, to them.
Does it work both ways? If we pretend you don't exist will you go
away?
Martin
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
25 Mar 2007 11:38:26 PM |
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"Martin Phipps" <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 25, 1:24 pm, <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
When ever we say anything, we are trying to bring something from the
state of non existence to existence.
Which is why every time atheists use the word God, they are in a way
bringing him to life, just in a cage, to them.
Does it work both ways? If we pretend you don't exist will you go
away?
You can bring things into existence by saying them, but you cannot stop
things from existing once they already exist.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 02:57:30 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 03:17:50 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Omaha 10, Houston 2 (March 24)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 30 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 03:53:48 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his forehead,
it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 04:09:23 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his forehead,
it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we type!
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Omaha 10, Houston 2 (March 24)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 30 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 06:21:17 PM |
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In article <szkps6vn24c.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his forehead,
it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we type!
I don't think y'all should be so mean to a disabled person.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 07:07:01 PM |
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"Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
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In article <szkps6vn24c.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkodmfoj2p.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his
forehead,
it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we type!
I don't think y'all should be so mean to a disabled person.
Then perhaps this so-called disabled person shouldn't be on Usenet.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Luna" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
26 Mar 2007 10:18:17 PM |
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In article <56r5gnF2a7ufqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:lunachick-376CE2.19225126032007@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <szkps6vn24c.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkodmfoj2p.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his
forehead,
it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we type!
I don't think y'all should be so mean to a disabled person.
Then perhaps this so-called disabled person shouldn't be on Usenet.
Why not? He's got problems, he has delusions, but he can't hurt anyone
here. Besides, this is an unmoderated group, anyone can post here. And,
I wasn't admonishing anyone against being mean for Mark's sake, because
I think he's oblivious to it, but rather for their own. Attacking
someone, especially if they're weak, isn't good for your own mental or
emotional well being. Sure, he's spouting nonsense, but he isn't
calling anyone names or making fun of anyone, so I don't think he
deserves that from any of us either. I understand it can be frustrating
arguing with him, because he is actually insane so you'll never convince
him he's wrong. That's just part of his disease, and it's not fair to
blame him for it.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
27 Mar 2007 01:59:49 PM |
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"Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:lunachick-7500A4.23195026032007@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <56r5gnF2a7ufqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Luna" <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:lunachick-376CE2.19225126032007@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <szkps6vn24c.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkodmfoj2p.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his
forehead,
it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we
type!
I don't think y'all should be so mean to a disabled person.
Then perhaps this so-called disabled person shouldn't be on Usenet.
Why not? He's got problems, he has delusions, but he can't hurt anyone
here. Besides, this is an unmoderated group, anyone can post here. And,
I wasn't admonishing anyone against being mean for Mark's sake, because
I think he's oblivious to it, but rather for their own. Attacking
someone, especially if they're weak, isn't good for your own mental or
emotional well being. Sure, he's spouting nonsense, but he isn't
calling anyone names or making fun of anyone, so I don't think he
deserves that from any of us either. I understand it can be frustrating
arguing with him, because he is actually insane so you'll never convince
him he's wrong. That's just part of his disease, and it's not fair to
blame him for it.
Oh don't worry - I'm not blaming him for anything. But that doesn't mean I
can't amuse myself with him while he's here - mentally ill or not.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
27 Mar 2007 08:55:00 PM |
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On Mar 28, 2:59 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Luna" <lunach...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:lunachick-7500A4.23195026032007@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <56r5gnF2a7uf...@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Luna" <lunach...@NOSPAMmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:lunachick-376CE2.19225126032007@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <szkps6vn24c....@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patr...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patr...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkodmfoj2p.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his
forehead,
it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we
type!
I don't think y'all should be so mean to a disabled person.
Then perhaps this so-called disabled person shouldn't be on Usenet.
Why not? He's got problems, he has delusions, but he can't hurt anyone
here. Besides, this is an unmoderated group, anyone can post here. And,
I wasn't admonishing anyone against being mean for Mark's sake, because
I think he's oblivious to it, but rather for their own. Attacking
someone, especially if they're weak, isn't good for your own mental or
emotional well being. Sure, he's spouting nonsense, but he isn't
calling anyone names or making fun of anyone, so I don't think he
deserves that from any of us either. I understand it can be frustrating
arguing with him, because he is actually insane so you'll never convince
him he's wrong. That's just part of his disease, and it's not fair to
blame him for it.
Oh don't worry - I'm not blaming him for anything. But that doesn't mean I
can't amuse myself with him while he's here - mentally ill or not.
Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who enjoys making fun of
him?
Martin
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
27 Mar 2007 10:41:02 PM |
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Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> writes:
In article <szkps6vn24c.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkodmfoj2p.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his
forehead, it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we type!
I don't think y'all should be so mean to a disabled person.
If he's too stupid to pay attention to the fact that this is alt.atheism, and
we're not interested in idiots who insist their alleged god is real, then he
doesn't need to be wasting his time in Usenet, since he's obviously not
equipped to deal with reality.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Omaha 10, Houston 2 (March 24)
NEXT GAME: Friday, March 30 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism and its philosophical problems |
28 Mar 2007 02:38:06 AM |
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On 27 Mar 2007 22:41:02 -0500, The Chief Instigator
<patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
- Refer: <szkodme6nn5.fsf@eris.io.com>
Luna <lunachick@NOSPAMmindspring.com> writes:
In article <szkps6vn24c.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
The Chief Instigator <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkodmfoj2p.fsf@fnord.io.com...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote in
snip
You can bring things into existence by saying them,
*****. Prove it.
If he really believes that, I guess it's only right to state:
Mark Earnest is a blithering idiot.
Oooh, if I say Mark Earnest has a two-foot horn growing out of his
forehead, it'll be true.
Oh my, my. The possibilities!
No kidding...and he's out turning tricks on the Vegas Strip, as we type!
I don't think y'all should be so mean to a disabled person.
If he's too stupid to pay attention to the fact that this is alt.atheism, and
we're not interested in idiots who insist their alleged god is real, then he
doesn't need to be wasting his time in Usenet, since he's obviously not
equipped to deal with reality.
He's not too stupid to pay attention to the fact that we pay attention
to him!
Obsessive nutcases like Deadly Earnest are attention-seeking whores.
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