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Religions > Atheism |
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"RCMan" |
| Date: |
25 Dec 2003 08:05:31 PM |
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Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
]]]]]] WHAT FREEDOM OF RELIGION MEANS TO THE SOVIETS [[[[[[[[[
(1/30/1989)
http://www.fortfreedom.org/y18.htm
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray
in the "American Atheist" of October, 1987. Jon Murray
is the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, who brought the
successful lawsuit in the '60s to ban public school
prayers. Murray's totalitarian ramblings in no way
represent all atheists, but form an example of yet
another group which, while apparently promoting some
side issue, is actually advancing socialism.]
"...If you [an atheist] are confronted by religionists and you show
any sign of compromise or indecision, it will be used against you as
they go for the jugular. This is why the Soviet Union has guarded its
internal affairs so since the end of World War II. It has been attacked
and harassed more than any other nation on earth, with the possible
exceptions of China and Cuba... The adoption of a hard-line internal
policy has been a survival necessity, as has the dedication of a large
proportion of the Soviet economy to "defense."...If the West had left
the Soviet Union alone, it might not have as much to harp about now
concerning alleged human rights violations.
"Knowing the background of the situation as I do, I am deeply
concerned about new Soviet policies with respect to religion....They
must feel, knowing that religion versus Atheism is one of two basic
factors that keep the cold war going, that they need to show the West
over and over again that they are being fair to the religious. Such a
policy cuts no ice with me, as an Atheist. I think that the religous in
any nation should get what they richly deserve for setting back all of
human culture for thousands of years.
"When a delegation of American Atheists last visited the Soviet
Union, we had an interesting discussion with a high-level official with
the Soviet Bureau of Atheism in Moscow. We asked if the official Soviet
position was to allow parents or, particularly, grandparents to teach
religion to their children, when they were being presented with public
school instruction on Atheism? The answer was yes ... We then asked
if it would be all right for that same grandmother to teach her
grandchild about the "superior values of capitalism." The answer was a
very firm no... We could not make our Soviet counterpart see that one
was equally as dangerous to the overall future of his country as the
other.
"As an Atheist leader, I think that this ultimate sacrifice
[allowing Western religion to invade the Soviet Union] is a mistake.
Opening up to religion and democratization could be the fatal
combination for socialism ... If the Socialist countries open up to
religion, religion will destabilize them from the ground up, thus
softening them up for the invasion of capitalism. The Soviet Union,
China, and Cuba are basically poor, working-class countries, and they
will be simply used as slave labor camps for capitalism.
"Religion will move in and destroy the rational base of Socialism.
Once that is accomplished, the idea of democratization is injected into
the culture, thinning out and destroying the leadership, turning
elections into popularity contests, and displacing the workers and
denying them the right to direct participatory self-government. Then
capitalism takes over the economic system, and production for use turns
into production for profit, and workers become wage slaves."
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Yes, so the American Atheists didn't want the Soviet Union destabilized!
Pathetic!
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RC
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
26 Dec 2003 06:48:02 AM |
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And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray
in the "American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct. 1987
issue in their archives.
When the subject of MMOH comes up, christians fly into incoherent rages
and spew bile non-stop. The hatred is astounding. Even her "born again"
son when I've seen him on TV takes every opportunity to trash his own
mother who--being dead--can't defend herself.
It becomes increasingly obvious that there exists a not insignificant
number of christians (and fellow travellers) who would happily kill us
*all. And they will spread any story, any lie, any bile they can to whip
people into a frenzy against atheists.
Over the years, I've learned never to turn my back on a christian. Because
they'll knife you soon as they get the chance.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "RCMan" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
26 Dec 2003 12:58:25 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.26.12.48.02.211882@il.huh>...
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray
in the "American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct. 1987
issue in their archives.
Will you get back to us with their response, Baggins?
=====
RC
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| User: "RCMan" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
29 Dec 2003 12:10:10 PM |
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(RCMan) wrote in message news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.26.12.48.02.211882@il.huh>...
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray
in the "American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct. 1987
issue in their archives.
Will you get back to us with their response, Baggins?
Still no response, Baggins? Or maybe you DID get a response and you
don't want to face the fact that your organization was cuddling up to
the Soviet Union.
And why wouldn't they? It was YOUR kind of nation.
=====
RC
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
29 Dec 2003 09:30:44 PM |
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And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.26.12.48.02.211882@il.huh>...
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the
"American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct.
1987 issue in their archives.
Will you get back to us with their response, Baggins?
Still no response, Baggins? Or maybe you DID get a response and you
don't want to face the fact that your organization was cuddling up to
the Soviet Union.
And why wouldn't they? It was YOUR kind of nation.
I actually, today, received a reply from Ellen Johnson, current president
of American Atheists, Inc. But could not--see how much an impression you
make--remember who it was having a hissy about the matter. You reminding
me was rather well timed.
Ms. Johnson said that only parts of what was a long article were used on
the web page, giving "completely different picture" of what the author was
trying to say.
Interesting that the web page openly states:
"The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the "American
Atheist" of October, 1987."
But does not identify where the excerpts begin and end nor how far apart
in the original text they are. There's a heavy use of ellipses making one
wonder how much material is missing.
Yet the excerpts are chained together to make what appears to be a single
article.
You know, after a while, you come to just expect christians to be
dishonest...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "RCMan" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
30 Dec 2003 12:59:01 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.26.12.48.02.211882@il.huh>...
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the
"American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct.
1987 issue in their archives.
Will you get back to us with their response, Baggins?
Still no response, Baggins? Or maybe you DID get a response and you
don't want to face the fact that your organization was cuddling up to
the Soviet Union.
And why wouldn't they? It was YOUR kind of nation.
I actually, today, received a reply from Ellen Johnson, current president
of American Atheists, Inc. But could not--see how much an impression you
make--remember who it was having a hissy about the matter. You reminding
me was rather well timed.
Can you imagine how little concerned I am about your bad memory,
Baggins?
Ms. Johnson said that only parts of what was a long article were used on
the web page, giving "completely different picture" of what the author was
trying to say.
What was the author trying to say?
Interesting that the web page openly states:
"The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the "American
Atheist" of October, 1987."
But does not identify where the excerpts begin and end nor how far apart
in the original text they are. There's a heavy use of ellipses making one
wonder how much material is missing.
Yet the excerpts are chained together to make what appears to be a single
article.
You know, after a while, you come to just expect christians to be
dishonest...
What connection did the American Atheists have with the Soviet Union,
Baggins?
What should the article have looked like? What *quotes are inaccurate?
Did you A.A. folks pick up any tips on lying when you were in the
USSR?
To refresh what is apparently a VERY bad memory, here's the ORIGINAL
article as I posted it:
]]]]]] WHAT FREEDOM OF RELIGION MEANS TO THE SOVIETS [[[[[[[[[
(1/30/1989)
http://www.fortfreedom.org/y18.htm
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray
in the "American Atheist" of October, 1987. Jon Murray
is the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, who brought the
successful lawsuit in the '60s to ban public school
prayers. Murray's totalitarian ramblings in no way
represent all atheists, but form an example of yet
another group which, while apparently promoting some
side issue, is actually advancing socialism.]
"...If you [an atheist] are confronted by religionists and you
show
any sign of compromise or indecision, it will be used against you as
they go for the jugular. This is why the Soviet Union has guarded its
internal affairs so since the end of World War II. It has been
attacked
and harassed more than any other nation on earth, with the possible
exceptions of China and Cuba... The adoption of a hard-line internal
policy has been a survival necessity, as has the dedication of a large
proportion of the Soviet economy to "defense."...If the West had left
the Soviet Union alone, it might not have as much to harp about now
concerning alleged human rights violations.
"Knowing the background of the situation as I do, I am deeply
concerned about new Soviet policies with respect to religion....They
must feel, knowing that religion versus Atheism is one of two basic
factors that keep the cold war going, that they need to show the West
over and over again that they are being fair to the religious. Such a
policy cuts no ice with me, as an Atheist. I think that the religous
in
any nation should get what they richly deserve for setting back all of
human culture for thousands of years.
"When a delegation of American Atheists last visited the Soviet
Union, we had an interesting discussion with a high-level official
with
the Soviet Bureau of Atheism in Moscow. We asked if the official
Soviet
position was to allow parents or, particularly, grandparents to teach
religion to their children, when they were being presented with public
school instruction on Atheism? The answer was yes ... We then asked
if it would be all right for that same grandmother to teach her
grandchild about the "superior values of capitalism." The answer was a
very firm no... We could not make our Soviet counterpart see that one
was equally as dangerous to the overall future of his country as the
other.
"As an Atheist leader, I think that this ultimate sacrifice
[allowing Western religion to invade the Soviet Union] is a mistake.
Opening up to religion and democratization could be the fatal
combination for socialism ... If the Socialist countries open up to
religion, religion will destabilize them from the ground up, thus
softening them up for the invasion of capitalism. The Soviet Union,
China, and Cuba are basically poor, working-class countries, and they
will be simply used as slave labor camps for capitalism.
"Religion will move in and destroy the rational base of
Socialism.
Once that is accomplished, the idea of democratization is injected
into
the culture, thinning out and destroying the leadership, turning
elections into popularity contests, and displacing the workers and
denying them the right to direct participatory self-government. Then
capitalism takes over the economic system, and production for use
turns
into production for profit, and workers become wage slaves."
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| User: "Jefferson Rourke" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
30 Dec 2003 06:14:35 PM |
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(RCMan) wrote in message news:<3776526f.0312301059.52291e86@posting.google.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
(RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.26.12.48.02.211882@il.huh>...
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the
"American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct.
1987 issue in their archives.
Will you get back to us with their response, Baggins?
Still no response, Baggins? Or maybe you DID get a response and you
don't want to face the fact that your organization was cuddling up to
the Soviet Union.
And why wouldn't they? It was YOUR kind of nation.
I actually, today, received a reply from Ellen Johnson, current president
of American Atheists, Inc. But could not--see how much an impression you
make--remember who it was having a hissy about the matter. You reminding
me was rather well timed.
Can you imagine how little concerned I am about your bad memory,
Baggins?
Ms. Johnson said that only parts of what was a long article were used on
the web page, giving "completely different picture" of what the author was
trying to say.
What was the author trying to say?
Interesting that the web page openly states:
"The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the "American
Atheist" of October, 1987."
But does not identify where the excerpts begin and end nor how far apart
in the original text they are. There's a heavy use of ellipses making one
wonder how much material is missing.
Yet the excerpts are chained together to make what appears to be a single
article.
You know, after a while, you come to just expect christians to be
dishonest...
What connection did the American Atheists have with the Soviet Union,
Baggins?
What should the article have looked like? What *quotes are inaccurate?
Did you A.A. folks pick up any tips on lying when you were in the
USSR?
To refresh what is apparently a VERY bad memory, here's the ORIGINAL
article as I posted it:
<snip>
Your juvenile attempts to link all atheists to communism and the
former Soviet Union are laughable.
As an atheist I have never belonged to any atheist organization.
I despise the former Soviet Union, Communist China, and governments in
general.
Strictly limited government for protection of the citizens is all that
is needed and I have some doubts about this at times.
Your attempt at a smear campaign is noted. Perhaps we can now safely
say using your thought processes that all christians are machiavellian
type murderers and manipulators like Constantine, several popes,
christian kings, priests, christian rulers and princes.
I think you have been told several times that just because someone is
an atheist this does not mean there is some "atheist manifesto" that
we all swear allegiance to.
There are atheists who are communists. There are christians who are
communists.
As a libertarian, free market, pro-individual, maximum freedom
oriented person I find your attempts to link me with these morons
extremely insulting.
So in terms you may be able to understand;
***** YOU IMBECELIC MORON.
Jefferson Rourke
Laissez-Faire!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
30 Dec 2003 04:18:07 PM |
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And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:01 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.26.12.48.02.211882@il.huh>...
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the
"American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct.
1987 issue in their archives.
Will you get back to us with their response, Baggins?
Still no response, Baggins? Or maybe you DID get a response and you
don't want to face the fact that your organization was cuddling up to
the Soviet Union.
And why wouldn't they? It was YOUR kind of nation.
I actually, today, received a reply from Ellen Johnson, current president
of American Atheists, Inc. But could not--see how much an impression you
make--remember who it was having a hissy about the matter. You reminding
me was rather well timed.
Can you imagine how little concerned I am about your bad memory,
Baggins?
Ms. Johnson said that only parts of what was a long article were used on
the web page, giving "completely different picture" of what the author was
trying to say.
What was the author trying to say?
Interesting that the web page openly states:
"The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the "American
Atheist" of October, 1987."
But does not identify where the excerpts begin and end nor how far apart
in the original text they are. There's a heavy use of ellipses making one
wonder how much material is missing.
Yet the excerpts are chained together to make what appears to be a single
article.
You know, after a while, you come to just expect christians to be
dishonest...
What connection did the American Atheists have with the Soviet Union,
Baggins?
What should the article have looked like? What *quotes are inaccurate?
Did you A.A. folks pick up any tips on lying when you were in the
USSR?
To refresh what is apparently a VERY bad memory, here's the ORIGINAL
article as I posted it:
No you did *NOT* post an article. The page actually says "The following
excerpts..." The page does *NOT* contain the entire article. Instead, the
page consists of stitched together excerpts *FROM* an article.
Now, getting the original would cost time and money, both of which I'm
short on. I'm not seeing much reason to bother because some right wing
whack job on the Web snipped pieces out of an article and rammed them
together to do a smear job. Nor to try to "convince" you of anything since
that's not something which can be done given your mind is made up and you
obviously--just from *this example--haven't any respect for actual
evidence.
How about *YOU* get off your lazy ***** and dig up some real evidence if you
think you're on to something?
I've seen no evidence of any "connection" between AA, Inc. (which I've
been a member of but let it lapse this past year) with anything "soviet."
Nor any evidence that the family of MMOH had any such "connections."
One page of stitched together excerpts does not evidence make.
Besides, you've already poisoned the well with:
"Did you A.A. folks pick up any tips on lying when you were in the USSR?"
Doesn't matter *what I say, you'll just say I'm a liar. So why should I do
*anything? So you can use me as a punching bag or something?
In short:
You got nothing. And, by they way, bite me.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "RCMan" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2 |
30 Dec 2003 09:19:11 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.30.22.17.54.604955@il.huh>...
And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:01 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.26.12.48.02.211882@il.huh>...
And so upon Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the
"American Atheist" of October, 1987.
Or not.
I have an email in to AA, Inc. about this. As they will have the Oct.
1987 issue in their archives.
Will you get back to us with their response, Baggins?
Still no response, Baggins? Or maybe you DID get a response and you
don't want to face the fact that your organization was cuddling up to
the Soviet Union.
And why wouldn't they? It was YOUR kind of nation.
I actually, today, received a reply from Ellen Johnson, current president
of American Atheists, Inc. But could not--see how much an impression you
make--remember who it was having a hissy about the matter. You reminding
me was rather well timed.
Can you imagine how little concerned I am about your bad memory,
Baggins?
Ms. Johnson said that only parts of what was a long article were used on
the web page, giving "completely different picture" of what the author was
trying to say.
What was the author trying to say?
Interesting that the web page openly states:
"The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray in the "American
Atheist" of October, 1987."
But does not identify where the excerpts begin and end nor how far apart
in the original text they are. There's a heavy use of ellipses making one
wonder how much material is missing.
Yet the excerpts are chained together to make what appears to be a single
article.
You know, after a while, you come to just expect christians to be
dishonest...
What connection did the American Atheists have with the Soviet Union,
Baggins?
What should the article have looked like? What *quotes are inaccurate?
Did you A.A. folks pick up any tips on lying when you were in the
USSR?
To refresh what is apparently a VERY bad memory, here's the ORIGINAL
article as I posted it:
No you did *NOT* post an article. The page actually says "The following
excerpts..." The page does *NOT* contain the entire article. Instead, the
page consists of stitched together excerpts *FROM* an article.
In short you have NOTHING whatever to add or subtract from what I
posted. All you can blither is that there were ellipses and exerpts
when anyone with half a brain could have seen that from the beginning.
They were there for all to see, Baggins.
You've contradicted not one single quote from the article I posted.
All you've done is expend a lot of hot air and bandwidth throwing
straw and trying to divert.
You haven't succeeded, Baggins, in anything but proving what a
laughable joke you are.
Now, getting the original would cost time and money, both of which I'm
short on. I'm not seeing much reason to bother because some right wing
whack job on the Web snipped pieces out of an article and rammed them
together to do a smear job. Nor to try to "convince" you of anything since
that's not something which can be done given your mind is made up and you
obviously--just from *this example--haven't any respect for actual
evidence.
I'll give you a chance to address a specific quote.
Is there anything different in the following quote from the article I
posted and the "real" thing that your organization "says" it
published:
"Religion will move in and destroy the rational base of Socialism.
Once that is accomplished, the idea of democratization is injected
into
the culture, thinning out and destroying the leadership, turning
elections into popularity contests, and displacing the workers and
denying them the right to direct participatory self-government. Then
capitalism takes over the economic system, and production for use
turns
into production for profit, and workers become wage slaves."
Did Jon Murray write that, Baggins? Is that a correct quote.
How about *YOU* get off your lazy ***** and dig up some real evidence if you
think you're on to something?
I have. You're simply too cowardly to admit it.
I've seen no evidence of any "connection" between AA, Inc. (which I've
been a member of but let it lapse this past year) with anything "soviet."
Nor any evidence that the family of MMOH had any such "connections."
One page of stitched together excerpts does not evidence make.
You have neither contradicted ONE single solitary quote OR bothered to
produce the "full article" the existance of which we have only your
dubious word and the yet more dubious word of this silly society of
atheists.
Besides, you've already poisoned the well with:
"Did you A.A. folks pick up any tips on lying when you were in the USSR?"
Doesn't matter *what I say, you'll just say I'm a liar. So why should I do
*anything? So you can use me as a punching bag or something?
I have, Baggins, I have. You and all the other little Bagginses in
your effete
little club ***** newgroup....and had a fine time doing it.
In short:
You got nothing. And, by they way, bite me.
I did, Baggins, I did.
Happy New Year!
=====
RC
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Dec 2003 11:49:41 PM |
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And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:19:11 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
You have neither contradicted ONE single solitary quote OR bothered to
produce the "full article" the existance of which we have only your
dubious word and the yet more dubious word of this silly society of
atheists.
So what part of "I don't have the article at this point" are you having so
much trouble understanding, dipshit?
And what part of "you don't have the original article either" is so hard
for you to understand, asshat?
Anybody can turn any work into something totally different by stitching
excerpts together. I could make the bible read like a porno novel pulling
excerpts out and pasting them together.
What the hell is wrong with you anyway?
You think I'm going to buy a plane ticket and fly to New Jersey to get an
article for you? Like that's going to happen. Getting a publication of
limited circulation would take time and money. Give me a reason to do it.
Something more than arguing with a waste of time like you.
I may actually be able to have a copy of the article in a few days though.
But you'll be in my killfile before I have it.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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RCMan wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.22.17.54.604955@il.huh>...
And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:01 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins.
... Baggins ...
... Baggins?
... Baggins ... ... all the other little Bagginses ...
... Baggins ...
Oh, go throw yourself down a volcano.
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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31 Dec 2003 11:22:10 AM |
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In article <bad6b$3ff2be82$51569c09$15036@nf2.news-service.com>, Kevin Anthoney
says...
RCMan wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.22.17.54.604955@il.huh>...
And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:01 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins.
... Baggins ...
... Baggins?
... Baggins ... ... all the other little Bagginses ...
... Baggins ...
Oh, go throw yourself down a volcano.
I doubt he's a virgin, which will ***** off Pele.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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31 Dec 2003 11:53:41 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:6BDIb.14938$85.346@www.newsranger.com...
In article <bad6b$3ff2be82$51569c09$15036@nf2.news-service.com>, Kevin
Anthoney
says...
RCMan wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.22.17.54.604955@il.huh>...
And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:01 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak
thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins.
... Baggins ...
... Baggins?
... Baggins ... ... all the other little Bagginses ...
... Baggins ...
Oh, go throw yourself down a volcano.
I doubt he's a virgin, which will ***** off Pele.
What does being a virgin have to do with playing socer?
<ducks>
--
"Everyone gather 'round! It's time for pastel-tinted hairy balls with salsa
verde!"
Michael Wolfe
aa #1912
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31 Dec 2003 12:12:44 PM |
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In article <vv639h75gljc5a@corp.supernews.com>, Wolf333 says...
"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:6BDIb.14938$85.346@www.newsranger.com...
In article <bad6b$3ff2be82$51569c09$15036@nf2.news-service.com>, Kevin
Anthoney
says...
RCMan wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.22.17.54.604955@il.huh>...
And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:01 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak
thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins.
... Baggins ...
... Baggins?
... Baggins ... ... all the other little Bagginses ...
... Baggins ...
Oh, go throw yourself down a volcano.
I doubt he's a virgin, which will ***** off Pele.
What does being a virgin have to do with playing socer?
<ducks>
LOL - Thanks for not disappointing me, you wise *****, you ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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31 Dec 2003 12:25:46 PM |
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Wolf333 wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:6BDIb.14938$85.346@www.newsranger.com...
In article <bad6b$3ff2be82$51569c09$15036@nf2.news-service.com>, Kevin
Anthoney
says...
RCMan wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.22.17.54.604955@il.huh>...
And so upon Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:01 -0800 didst RCMan speak thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> wrote in message
news:<pan.2003.12.30.03.30.43.367868@il.huh>...
And so upon Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:10:10 -0800 didst RCMan speak
thusly:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
news:<3776526f.0312261058.54593227@posting.google.com>...
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins?
... Baggins.
... Baggins ...
... Baggins?
... Baggins ... ... all the other little Bagginses ...
... Baggins ...
Oh, go throw yourself down a volcano.
I doubt he's a virgin, which will ***** off Pele.
What does being a virgin have to do with playing socer?
I wondered what the greatest ever footballer was doing advertising Viagra.
Maybe he's getting desperate...
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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02 Jan 2004 12:36:28 AM |
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:18:10 +0000, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> posted to alt.atheism:
RCMan wrote:
... Baggins ... ... all the other little Bagginses ...
... Baggins ...
Oh, go throw yourself down a volcano.
You want him to throw himself into his god?
--
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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03 Jan 2004 12:52:11 AM |
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In article <na4avvsbvgflpb3cc7puepk12c9dptu17i@Pern.rk>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:18:10 +0000, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> posted to alt.atheism:
RCMan wrote:
... Baggins ... ... all the other little Bagginses ...
... Baggins ...
Oh, go throw yourself down a volcano.
You want him to throw himself into his god?
Sure, if it'll get rid of him.
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25 Dec 2003 11:24:43 PM |
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On 25 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0800, (RCMan) posted to
alt.atheism:
[The following excerpts were written by Jon G. Murray
in the "American Atheist" of October, 1987. Jon Murray
is the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair
Very few atheists had anything to do with her organization.
who brought the
successful lawsuit in the '60s to ban public school
prayers.
She didn't, but don't let the truth stop you from lying.
Murray's totalitarian ramblings in no way
represent all atheists
So why do you present them as "the" atheist viewpoint?
--
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers, and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26
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25 Dec 2003 09:59:20 PM |
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http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1219wvpastor19.html
Glendale pastor sentenced in assault case
Brent Whiting
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 19, 2003 12:00 AM
GLENDALE - The senior pastor of a Glendale church, convicted of
criminal assault, has been fined $500 and ordered to perform 100 hours
of community service.
Larry W. Seratt, 42, founder of Covenant International Church, 8807 N.
61st Ave., said Thursday the court action will result in a "win-win
situation."
"I live a life of community service, so this is nothing new to me,"
Seratt said in a statement released by his church.
He added, "It will be a win-win situation as I will explore even more
opportunities for myself and the church I pastor to be even a greater
blessing to our community."
Seratt, who was accused of slugging a 19-year-old El Mirage man during
a search for his missing daughter, was sentenced Monday by Judge
Richard Trujillo of Maricopa County Superior Court.
Seratt pleaded guilty to a charge of aggravated assault after striking
a deal with prosecutors that allowed him to avoid jail or prison.
As part of the deal, Trujillo also dismissed other charges of
kidnapping, endangerment and making a threat.
Glendale police said the fracas occurred July 22 after Seratt went
looking for his 14-year-old daughter, who had run off with a
15-year-old boy.
Officers said Seratt abducted the victim, punched him in the mouth and
threatened to gouge out his eyes. They said the pastor believed the El
Mirage man had information that could lead him to his daughter, who
was found later that day.
Seratt said Thursday that he chose to take the plea bargain rather
than go to trial.
"Although we had a strong case, I felt this was the easiest, least
expensive and quickest way for us bring closure to this situation," he
said. "It has proven to be the right choice."
In the meantime, Seratt said he acted out of fear for his daughter's
life and safety.
"I believe I responded in this situation as any true father would
have," Seratt said. "I am a father first, and then a pastor. My family
comes first."
(EAC Crime watch, reality division)
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Yang
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a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -466 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: Christianity At Work: TX Christian Mom Andreas Yates Kills All Her Kids For The Glory of Jesus (Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 3) |
25 Dec 2003 09:39:50 PM |
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http://www.christianitymeme.org/yates.shtml
The Andrea Yates Case: The Christian God 0 vs. Christianity Meme 3
By Don Baker
On June 20th, 2001, Houston Texas resident Andrea Yates drowned all
five of her children, ages from 7 years to 6 months, in the home
bathtub. Most people have been shocked and are in disbelief of a
mother whose maternal instincts had been so misdirected. She has
pleaded innocence by reason of insanity in her murder trial. (She has
since been convicted of murder.) Her much publicized case has drawn a
lot of international attention, but little of it has been about the
role of God and Christianity in the tragedy.
Andrea was clearly struggling with mental illness--psychotic
depression and schizophrenia, in particular. Her first bout with
postpartum depression followed the birth of her fourth child, Luke, in
1999. She had several suicide attempts and four psychiatric
hospitalizations. A psychiatrist who treated her warned her against
having more children. He wrote, "Apparently patent and husband plan to
have as many babies as nature will allow! This will surely guarantee
future psychotic depression." Her condition stabilized and the couple
believed she had been cured. After the birth of their fifth child,
Mary, and the death of her father, Andrea fell into another depression
and had two more hospitalizations. According to her sister, she became
irrational after the death of her father. She had another suicide
attempt just weeks before killing her children. Dr. Melissa Ferguson,
medical director of psychiatric services in the Harris County jail
testified that she was, "one of the sickest patients I have ever
seen."
Much of Andrea’s psychosis had religious imagery. She was obsessed
with images of Satan. About the murders, she told her doctor, "It was
the seventh deadly sin. My children weren't righteous. They stumbled
because I was evil. The way I was raising them they could never be
saved... Better for someone else to tie a millstone around their neck
and cast them into a river than to stumble. They were going to parish
[in Hell]." During her detention, she was concerned about whether the
mark of the beast (666) was on her head. She said that, "Governor
[George W.] Bush would have to destroy Satan."
Andrea and her husband Russell are devout Christians. Andrea was
home-schooling her children, no doubt with a strong religious slant.
The couple probably believed, as many Christians do, that it was their
duty to God to procreate. The couple is likely to have sought
religious council and help during their troubled recent years. Without
doubt they and others prayed to God for his help with her mental
illness.
While the Yates family was deeply steeped in Christianity, the
Christian God conspicuously failed to help Andrea, Russell, or their
five innocent children. He did not make her well, get her the help she
needed, or prevent her from killing the children. The omniscient,
omnipotent Christian God turned a blind eye to the cries for help of a
devout, Christian family in a desperate situation. Andrea Yates
disproves the Christian concept of a benevolent God that answers the
prayers of devout Christians. (Any other conclusion amounts to blaming
the victims.) So, the Christian God gets a score of zero in the case
of Andrea Yates. (Perhaps he was too busy assembling jihadis under the
alias of Allah for their September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade
Center and Pentagon.)
If we now look at the case from the perspective of the Christianity
Meme, things become more understandable. In Angela and Russell Yates,
the Christianity Meme had two willing and able hosts. The Christianity
Meme called the shots. Andrea and Russell simply obeyed. They had a
passel of kids for infection by the Christianity Meme through home
schooling. The Yates were likely convinced that having children and
raising them in the Christian tradition was their sacred duty. Recall
that the Christianity Meme's only goal is to infect and spread itself,
regardless of the consequences. In the Yates, it had a good thing
going. The Christianity Meme has no concern for the mental and
physical health of its hosts, however a healthy host can live longer
and infect more people. The Christianity Meme set up the creation of
more children in order to further itself. It lost some ground in that
the five children were killed. Instead of having 7 life-long infectees
and however many descendants, the Christianity Meme ended up only with
two (so far). Out of the bargain, however, the Christianity Meme
landed a nice memorial to itself (see the photo), bearing testament to
the strength of its infection in the Yates. More importantly, the
Christianity Meme emerges without any blame or responsibility for this
tragedy.
To tally the score, God gets 0 points for a complete no-show. The
Christianity Meme gets 7 points for the infectees, but loses 5 to
death. Finally, it gains 1 for dodging blame, so the total for the
Christianity Meme is 3. Note that since his wife's conviction, Russell
Yates has declared that he intends to have more children, so the
Christianity Meme may yet garner more points.
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -466 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: Christianity At Work: Christian Missionary Arrested At Airport For Concealing Razor Blades (Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2) |
25 Dec 2003 09:55:43 PM |
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http://www.click10.com/news/2724331/detail.html
Missionary Arrested At MIA For Concealing Razor Blade
Man Said He Received Death Threats While In Brazil
POSTED: 8:14 PM EST December 23, 2003
MIAMI -- A Pennsylvania missionary arrested for trying to pass through
airport security with a razor blade and a hacksaw blade in his shoe
said he carried the blades while living in Brazil because he had
received several threats on his life.
David McIntyre, who was arrested Monday at the Miami International
Airport and charged with carrying a concealed weapon, said he forgot
the blades were there.
McIntyre, his wife, Patti, and their children were back in
Pennsylvania on Tuesday, according to the missionary group they worked
with.
"David and his family are very embarrassed by this incident and now
simply wish to enjoy a quiet Christmas holiday together with family
and friends," said E.C. Haskell, a spokesman for the Harrisburg,
Pa.-based Association of Baptists for World Evangelism. He declined to
disclose their whereabouts.
McIntyre, 38, of West Chester, Pa., had been living in Belo Horizonte,
Brazil, working with the ABWE. He was heading to Philadelphia with his
wife and three children for a year's furlough, and had passed through
screeners in Belo Horizonte and Sao Paulo before the blades tripped
alarms in Miami.
McIntyre, who was freed on bond Monday, said he last wore the shoes
about a year ago. At the time, he said his was living in a dangerous
neighborhood and receiving death threats related to his job.
"Put yourself in the trunk of a car: You're tied up. How are you going
to get out?" McIntyre said. "So I put a razor blade in a shoe because
I was getting specific threats on my life and safety there, and I
thought it was a reasonable precaution."
The death threats stopped after he and his family moved, and the man
making the threats left his church. McIntyre said he forgot about the
shoes after putting them in his closet, but found them again after his
wife packed all of his good shoes, and he needed another pair to wear
on the trip. He said he had taken other precautions to account for
airport security, such as packing the scissors he uses to cut his
goatee in his checked bag.
Miami-Dade police said Tuesday that they believe McIntyre's story is
credible, pointing out that he was only charged with a misdemeanor and
federal officials weren't involved.
"The FBI could have come in and taken the case," said Sgt. Pete
Andreu. "Since that didn't occur ... that would lead you to believe we
felt less of a threat than if circumstances were different."
Haskell said a phone card and some Brazilian currency -- to use if he
was taken somewhere and dropped at a remote location -- also were in
the "survival kit" McIntyre had concealed in his shoe.
"We have confidence in David's explanation which has been accepted as
credible by authorities who released him within a few hours. We
understand that no federal charges have been brought and we hope that
local charges will also eventually be dropped," Haskell said.
(EAC crime watch, reality division)
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -466 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: Christianity At Work: Christian Teachers Charged With Moelsting 4 Little Girls. Praise Jesus! (Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2) |
25 Dec 2003 09:49:47 PM |
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7411883.htm
CRIMINAL JUSTICE
Teacher at private elementary charged with molesting 4 girls
BY TERE FIGUERAS
tfigueras@herald.com
A 74-year-old teacher is facing charges he molested four girls --
three of them current students -- at a North Miami private school,
police said.
The director of the school, Bethany Covenant, was also charged with
failing to report the alleged abuse, even after several teachers came
to her with tales of impropriety, according to police.
Samuel K. Morton surrendered to police Wednesday and was charged with
four felony counts of lewd and lascivious molestation on a child. The
charge carries a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.
School Director Joyce Cowan, 67, was charged with failure to report
child abuse, a misdemeanor that carries a maximum sentence of a year
in jail.
Police began investigating Morton, who teaches at the small elementary
school of about 100 children at 125 NE 119th St., in late October. A
student told her mother that Morton had fondled her, said Detective
Kathleen Ruggiero, North Miami police spokeswoman.
''The mother, of course, was so alarmed she brought it to our
department,'' she said.
During the investigation, two other girls made allegations.
Additionally, the pastor of the affiliated Bethany Evangelical
Covenant Church -- which shares its property with the school -- asked
anyone in the congregation with additional information to come
forward.
Someone did.
A 15-year-old girl said Morton touched her inappropriately while she
was a student at the school five years ago, police said.
The teenager told police her former teacher had touched her on the
buttocks, under her clothing.
The other alleged victims -- who are 8 and 9 years old -- said Morton
rubbed their chests, backsides and lower abdomens both over and under
their clothing, said police.
Morton remained in jail Wednesday night; bail was set at $40,000.
Cowan, who was not jailed, could not be reached for comment.
Some of the alleged acts committed by Morton ''were witnessed by
school teachers during field trips that took place during the school's
summer session,'' according to the arrest report.
At least some of those teachers reported the incident to Cowan,
Ruggiero said.
Cowan was interviewed twice by detectives and both times ''denied any
knowledge of sexual abuse,'' said the report.
''She definitely had knowledge, and that's a big concern,'' Ruggiero
said.
In 1970 and 1971, Morton was arrested three times and convicted of
driving under the influence, reckless driving and ''dangerous drugs,''
according to state records. Cowan has no state arrest record.
Kurt Miericke, district supervisor of the Southeast Conference of the
Evangelical Covenant Church, praised Bethany Covenant's pastor, the
Rev. Andrew J. Anderson, for appealing to his flock.
''The pastor acted properly and took the appropriate measures,'' said
Miericke of Oviedo in Central Florida. He said local churches are
autonomous and in charge of their own disciplinary and staffing
issues. Calls to the church and school were referred to attorney Peter
Miller, who said Wednesday he could not comment.
The Evangelical Covenant Church, founded in the late 1800s,
encompasses more than 600 churches in the United States and Canada,
according to the church's website. The 75-year-old Bethany Evangelical
Covenant is the second oldest church in the Southeast conference.
''It is quite a blow,'' Miericke said.
(EAC crime watch, reality division)
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -466 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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25 Dec 2003 10:03:56 PM |
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http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1072180442257300.xml
Connecticut businessman convicted of arranging online date with
15-year-old
The Associated Press
12/23/2003, 6:48 a.m. ET
PONTIAC, Mich. (AP) — An apologetic and tearful business and community
leader from Connecticut was sent to prison for trying to arrange to
have sex with a 15-year-old girl.
John Guiliano was sentenced to one year and one day to 20 years in
prison by Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Fred Mester after
pleading guilty to using the computer to commit sexually abusive
crimes against a child, The Daily Oakland Press reported.
The 36-year-old father of three was arrested in August by Southfield
police, having flown to Oakland County after arranging to have sex
with "Amy," an undercover detective.
Mester made a downward departure from the sentencing recommendations,
noting Guiliano's outstanding life before his August trip.
Mester praised his career as an executive with an aerospace company
and in the U.S. Navy, his family life, support from his church and
community service with the United Way and Habitat for Humanity.
"Your background had been impeccable," Mester said.
Guiliano's defense attorney, Raymond Cassar, argued Guiliano should be
held in the county jail instead of prison, but prosecutors wanted a
prison sentence.
"We think prison was appropriate for what he did," said Assistant
Prosecutor Matt Roth. "It sends a message. If you travel to Oakland
County to sexually assault a child, you're going to prison."
(EAC Crime watch, reality division)
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| Title: Christianity at Work: St Louis Bishop Charged With Molesting Little Boys. Praise Jesus! (Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2) |
25 Dec 2003 10:07:47 PM |
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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/0413B14FEBC4BC9086256E020013C590?OpenDocument&Headline=Bishop+at+Church+of+the+Living+God+is+charged+in+teen+sex+ca
Bishop at Church of the Living God is charged in teen sex case
By TIM BRYANT
Published: Friday, Dec. 19 2003
According to court documents, the boy told police that Bishop Shelby
E.
Shannon, 60, had paid him to remove his clothes and that Shannon
committed
"sexual acts" on him.
A leader of the Church of the Living God in St. Louis was held Friday
on
$100,000 bail on charges he sexually abused a teenage boy at the
church.
Bishop Shelby E. Shannon, 60, of Normandy, is charged with two counts
of
second-degree sodomy and one count of using a child in a sexual
performance.
Each charge is a felony that carries a sentence of up to seven years
in prison.
Police arrested Shannon on Wednesday and he made an initial appearance
in St.
Louis Circuit Court on Thursday. A grand jury is expected to hear his
case next
month.
Shannon was unavailable for comment. His lawyer, Charles Kirksey, said
church
members continued to support their bishop.
"He's a devout man and has a long career in the church," Kirksey said.
"His
church members think highly of him."
Kirksey said he would do "his level best to try to exonerate"
Shannon. The lawyer said that while he had much left to investigate in
the
matter, he believes the alleged victim, 17, is not a member of
Shannon's
church.
Police allege that beginning last December at the Church of the Living
God,
1034 South Kingshighway, Shannon sexually abused the victim, then 16.
The boy reported that Shannon paid him to remove his clothes and that
Shannon
committed "sexual acts" on him "over a long period of time," a police
detective
alleged in a court document.
The Church of the Living God also contains the suffix, CWFF, which
stands for
Christian Workers for Fellowship. The nondenominational church was
founded in
1889.
Church officials were unavailable for comment Friday.
The Kingshighway congregation is affiliated with a denomination that
bears the
same name as the church. The Rev. William Christian, a former slave,
founded
the church in Wrightsville, Ark.
Christian, once a Baptist minister, started his new church by
preaching under a
brush arbor after leaving his Baptist church in a dispute over
doctrine.
Christian's interpretations of the Bible have become part of the
denomination's
doctrines. For example, church members receive communion only once -
at the
time they officially join the church. Unlike most other Christian
churches,
which offer wine or grape juice as the communion drink, the Church of
the
Living God offers water.
At the time of its centennial in 1989, the mostly black denomination
had more
than 200,000 members in 30 states. Top leaders are bishops; below them
are
overseers and pastors. Pastors are assigned by bishops.
Shannon had been a pastor at the church on Kingshighway.
(EAC crimewatch, reality division)
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a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
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| Title: Christianity At Work: Christian Terrorist Arrested in Miami (Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2) |
25 Dec 2003 09:46:05 PM |
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http://www.washblade.com/2003/12-5/news/police/pibs.cfm
A Christian fundamentalist who was trained as an Army Ranger pleaded
innocent last week to bomb and weapons charges in an alleged plot to
blow up abortion clinics, gay bars and churches he deemed disloyal.
Prosecutors said 35-year-old Stephen John Jordi described himself as a
terrorist and planned a bombing spree across the eastern United
States. He allegedly was on the brink of carrying out the plan when he
was arrested Nov. 11. Authorities said that on the day of his arrest,
Jordi and a government informant bought gasoline cans, flares, starter
fluid and propane tanks, and the informant sold Jordi a pistol and
silencer. Marc Seitles, Jordi’s attorney, argues that Jordi repeatedly
said he did not want to do anything illegal and that the informant
offered money to Jordi’s family and a plane ticket to Jordi so he
could protest outside the Florida prison where abortion-provider
killer Paul Hill was executed.
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a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
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| Title: Christianity in Action: MD Pastor Sentenced for Fucking 15 YO Girl. Praise Jesus! (Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2) |
25 Dec 2003 10:22:51 PM |
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http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=1551065&nav=23iiJTzc
Chesapeake Pastor Sentenced For Taking Indecent Liberties With A Minor
A Chesapeake pastor who claims he was "weak in the flesh" will spend
only three years of a 15 year sentence in prison.
Terrence Burrus was sentenced in court Thursday morning on three
counts of taking indecent liberties with a minor.
Burrus pleaded guilty in October to having a sexual relationship with
a 15-year old girl. Burrus was hoping for a "work release" sentence,
but the judge considered Burrus's freedom a threat to young children.
(EAC crimewatch, reality division)
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -466 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
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| Title: CN Pastor Arrested For Sexual Assault. AGAIN! (Re: Atheism At Work, Pt. 2) |
25 Dec 2003 10:21:32 PM |
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http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=1557607&nav=3YeXJZnZ
(Norwich-WTNH, Dec. 9, 2003 5:30 PM) _ A Norwich pastor is arrested a
second time for sexual assault.
The alleged young victims say the incidents happened in their own
church.
Police were first alerted to the pastor at the Emmanuel Church of God
in Christ in June. A young girl claimed Isaac Goodwater had sexually
assaulted her when he gave her a ride in his car last January. She
named two other girls who now live out of state as possible witnesses
of her alleged attack.
Norwich police Det. Albert Costa says,"During those interviews the
second victim in New Jersey discloses she too was sexually assaulted."
Police say that assault happened at the church where both girls were
parishioners. The second victim told police back in December of 2001
Goodwater touched her inappropriately but she never told anyone.
Costa says,"They go through this nobody's going to believe me phase
because here it is a well respected person in the community."
But detectives did believe the young girls and the pastor of this
church in the Taftville section of Norwich now faces charges which
include sexual assault in the fourth degree and first degree.
Costa says,"I give the girls all the credit in the world. Very strong
to come forward and make a disclosure."
News Channel 8 called Isaac Goodwater's home and he would not talk
with us. The pastor is due back in Norwich Superior Court on December
18th.
(EAC crime watch, reality division)
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -525 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -466 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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