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On 11 Oct 2004, J McCoy dropped trou, farted, whirled, then

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6226729/?GT1=5472

JM

I am imagining you are insinuating there was some kind of devine

assistance

in finding Laura Hatch. That only makes me wonder why the god

her

to be in the wreck in the first place.

That's a dumb question. Why would God try to control everything?

was given personal responsibility. We suffer for our own
misjudgements all the time. There is no buffer wall for

that we do.

JM

The belief in a god who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good

a not-so-dumb question.

Infinite attributes cut both ways.

Raptor514

That's a dumb statement. If God made it impossible for us to get
ourselves into trouble, then how could we learn caution, discernment,
wisdom and judgement? We are creatures of free will and because of
that reason we are allowed to make our own mistakes.

That's the guy I want watching over *my* child; someone who lets
people die so they can *learn their lesson.*

Bad analogy. Lets approach it this way. Say that you created a
computer program that emulated free will. You gave oral instruction
for your created beings on how to run efficiently. But instead of
listening to you they do what they want and and act carelessly. Would
you cover their mistakes all the time or would you allow them to do
what they want?

The Bible paints a situation that is similar to that except that it's
much more complicated. If the fruit that Adam ate meant that Adam in
essence abducated his rule of the world to Satan, that means that
Satan ultimately has responsibility to all that happens, and that God
must establish a covenantal relationship with man inorder to
accomplish His acts. God isn't arbitrary and acts according to his
own laws.

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On 11 Oct 2004, J McCoy dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6226729/?GT1=5472

JM

I am imagining you are insinuating there was some kind of devine

assistance

in finding Laura Hatch. That only makes me wonder why the god allowed

her

to be in the wreck in the first place.

That's a dumb question. Why would God try to control everything? Man
was given personal responsibility. We suffer for our own
misjudgements all the time. There is no buffer wall for everything
that we do.

JM

The belief in a god who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good makes it
a not-so-dumb question.

Infinite attributes cut both ways.

Raptor514

That's a dumb statement. If God made it impossible for us to get
ourselves into trouble, then how could we learn caution, discernment,
wisdom and judgement? We are creatures of free will and because of
that reason we are allowed to make our own mistakes.

That's the guy I want watching over *my* child; someone who lets
people die so they can *learn their lesson.*

Bad analogy. Lets approach it this way. Say that you created a
computer program that emulated free will. You gave oral instruction
for your created beings on how to run efficiently. But instead of
listening to you they do what they want and and act carelessly. Would
you cover their mistakes all the time or would you allow them to do
what they want?

The Bible paints a situation that is similar to that except that it's
much more complicated. If the fruit that Adam ate meant that Adam in
essence abducated his rule of the world to Satan, that means that
Satan ultimately has responsibility to all that happens, and that God
must establish a covenantal relationship with man inorder to
accomplish His acts. God isn't arbitrary and acts according to his
own laws.

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On 11 Oct 2004, J McCoy dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6226729/?GT1=5472

JM

I am imagining you are insinuating there was some kind of
devine

assistance

in finding Laura Hatch. That only makes me wonder why the
god allowed

her

to be in the wreck in the first place.

That's a dumb question. Why would God try to control
everything? Man was given personal responsibility. We suffer
for our own misjudgements all the time. There is no buffer
wall for everything that we do.

JM

The belief in a god who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and
all-good makes it a not-so-dumb question.

Infinite attributes cut both ways.

Raptor514

That's a dumb statement. If God made it impossible for us to get
ourselves into trouble, then how could we learn caution,
discernment, wisdom and judgement? We are creatures of free will
and because of that reason we are allowed to make our own mistakes.

That's the guy I want watching over *my* child; someone who lets
people die so they can *learn their lesson.*

Bad analogy. Lets approach it this way. Say that you created a
computer program that emulated free will. You gave oral instruction
for your created beings on how to run efficiently. But instead of
listening to you they do what they want and and act carelessly. Would
you cover their mistakes all the time or would you allow them to do
what they want?

The Bible paints a situation that is similar to that except that it's
much more complicated. If the fruit that Adam ate meant that Adam in
essence abducated his rule of the world to Satan, that means that
Satan ultimately has responsibility to all that happens, and that God
must establish a covenantal relationship with man inorder to
accomplish His acts. God isn't arbitrary and acts according to his
own laws.

I can answer that. First off, it is true that much of mankind has
chosen to live on his own and without God. It is my opinion that God
has decided that he would allow humans to live in that manner without
any coercion whatsoever in the meanwhile.

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On 13 Oct 2004 09:57:04 -0700,

"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote in message news:<fRSad.5059$YU4.4492@trnddc06>...

"J McCoy" <

Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in message

news:<Xns957FD5D1AEF33vicman@63.240.76.16>...

On 11 Oct 2004, J McCoy dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6226729/?GT1=5472

JM

I am imagining you are insinuating there was some kind of devine

assistance

in finding Laura Hatch. That only makes me wonder why the god allowed

her

to be in the wreck in the first place.

That's a dumb question. Why would God try to control everything? Man
was given personal responsibility. We suffer for our own
misjudgements all the time. There is no buffer wall for everything
that we do.

JM

The belief in a god who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good makes it
a not-so-dumb question.

Infinite attributes cut both ways.

Raptor514

That's a dumb statement. If God made it impossible for us to get
ourselves into trouble, then how could we learn caution, discernment,
wisdom and judgement? We are creatures of free will and because of
that reason we are allowed to make our own mistakes.

Why does god create deformed babies? Is it unwilling to prevent it or
unable to? It must be those parents "gots ta learn"...

I can answer that. First off, it is true that much of mankind has
chosen to live on his own and without God. It is my opinion that God
has decided that he would allow humans to live in that manner without
any coercion whatsoever in the meanwhile. And, God has allowed the
consequences of that choice to express itself.

It is possible that drugs and improper diet could have an impact on
one's unborn children. The Old Testament contains the proper diet for
individuals. Additionally, if men would seek God through faith, he
could help cure them. But men reject that and therefore bring trouble
upon themselves. The human body operates on laws of cause and effect.

There may be specific reasons to which deformed babies occur to which
only God knows the answer.

If Adam had made the correct decision, we would not be suffering
today. Every human being must be responsible for their actions and for
the child they intend to create. This is why in selecting a mate, one
needs to be careful to select the one who will most be compatible to
them, who share the same goals and wishes. A man must look beyond the
physical beauty of a woman and look to her intelligence, her
compassion, her loveliness, work habits, tendency to sacrifice and
devotion, and integrity. A woman should look to those qualities in a
man, as well.

A man must cultivate the proper spirit of leadership. Both, the man
and woman, must avoid excessiveness. When offended you avoid anger
and hostility. You must avoid chopping up your other. You must treat
her as if she were an extension of you. When was the last time you
yelled at yourself, for instance? If you are forgiving of your own
mistakes, you must forgive her.

A woman must not be angry and cold when her other disappoints her, but
rather, articulate in a kind manner, if her husband were an extension
of herself. If she pulls him to her side and whispers into his ear
what she feels he would be more apt to get the point quickly and feel
ancy to make the corrections.

JM

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On 13 Oct 2004 09:57:04 -0700,

"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote in message news:<fRSad.5059$YU4.4492@trnddc06>...

"J McCoy" <

Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in message

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On 11 Oct 2004, J McCoy dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6226729/?GT1=5472

JM

I am imagining you are insinuating there was some kind of devine

assistance

in finding Laura Hatch. That only makes me wonder why the god allowed

her

to be in the wreck in the first place.

That's a dumb question. Why would God try to control everything? Man
was given personal responsibility. We suffer for our own
misjudgements all the time. There is no buffer wall for everything
that we do.

JM

The belief in a god who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good makes it
a not-so-dumb question.

Infinite attributes cut both ways.

Raptor514

That's a dumb statement. If God made it impossible for us to get
ourselves into trouble, then how could we learn caution, discernment,
wisdom and judgement? We are creatures of free will and because of
that reason we are allowed to make our own mistakes.

Why does god create deformed babies? Is it unwilling to prevent it or
unable to? It must be those parents "gots ta learn"...

I can answer that. First off, it is true that much of mankind has
chosen to live on his own and without God. It is my opinion that God
has decided that he would allow humans to live in that manner without
any coercion whatsoever in the meanwhile. And, God has allowed the
consequences of that choice to express itself.

It is possible that drugs and improper diet could have an impact on
one's unborn children.

Dot@dash.com (El Rayo-X) wrote in message news:<416d654c.108138755@News.individual.net>...

On 13 Oct 2004 09:57:04 -0700,

"Raptor514" <Raptor514@SPAMSUCKS.com> wrote in message news:<fRSad.5059$YU4.4492@trnddc06>...

"J McCoy" <

Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in message

news:<Xns957FD5D1AEF33vicman@63.240.76.16>...

On 11 Oct 2004, J McCoy dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6226729/?GT1=5472

JM

I am imagining you are insinuating there was some kind of devine

assistance

in finding Laura Hatch. That only makes me wonder why the god allowed

her

to be in the wreck in the first place.

That's a dumb question. Why would God try to control everything? Man
was given personal responsibility. We suffer for our own
misjudgements all the time. There is no buffer wall for everything
that we do.

JM

The belief in a god who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good makes it
a not-so-dumb question.

Infinite attributes cut both ways.

Raptor514

That's a dumb statement. If God made it impossible for us to get
ourselves into trouble, then how could we learn caution, discernment,
wisdom and judgement? We are creatures of free will and because of
that reason we are allowed to make our own mistakes.

Why does god create deformed babies? Is it unwilling to prevent it or
unable to? It must be those parents "gots ta learn"...

I can answer that. First off, it is true that much of mankind has
chosen to live on his own and without God. It is my opinion that God
has decided that he would allow humans to live in that manner without
any coercion whatsoever in the meanwhile. And, God has allowed the
consequences of that choice to express itself.

It is possible that drugs and improper diet could have an impact on
one's unborn children. The Old Testament contains the proper diet for
individuals. Additionally, if men would seek God through faith, he
could help cure them. But men reject that and therefore bring trouble
upon themselves. The human body operates on laws of cause and effect.

There may be specific reasons to which deformed babies occur to which
only God knows the answer.

If Adam had made the correct decision, we would not be suffering
today. Every human being must be responsible for their actions and for
the child they intend to create. This is why in selecting a mate, one
needs to be careful to select the one who will most be compatible to
them, who share the same goals and wishes. A man must look beyond the
physical beauty of a woman and look to her intelligence, her
compassion, her loveliness, work habits, tendency to sacrifice and
devotion, and integrity. A woman should look to those qualities in a
man, as well.

A man must cultivate the proper spirit of leadership. Both, the man
and woman, must avoid excessiveness. When offended you avoid anger
and hostility. You must avoid chopping up your other. You must treat
her as if she were an extension of you. When was the last time you
yelled at yourself, for instance? If you are forgiving of your own
mistakes, you must forgive her.

A woman must not be angry and cold when her other disappoints her, but
rather, articulate in a kind manner, if her husband were an extension
of herself. If she pulls him to her side and whispers into his ear
what she feels he would be more apt to get the point quickly and feel
ancy to make the corrections.

JM

Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Vote for John Kerry
God belongs in church, not the White House.

Why does god create deformed babies? Is it unwilling to prevent it or
unable to? It must be those parents "gots ta learn"...

I can answer that. First off, it is true that much of mankind has
chosen to live on his own and without God. It is my opinion that God
has decided that he would allow humans to live in that manner without
any coercion whatsoever in the meanwhile. And, God has allowed the
consequences of that choice to express itself.

It is possible that drugs and improper diet could have an impact on
one's unborn children. The Old Testament contains the proper diet for
individuals. Additionally, if men would seek God through faith, he
could help cure them. But men reject that and therefore bring trouble
upon themselves. The human body operates on laws of cause and effect.

There may be specific reasons to which deformed babies occur to which
only God knows the answer.

If Adam had made the correct decision, we would not be suffering
today. Every human being must be responsible for their actions and for
the child they intend to create. This is why in selecting a mate, one
needs to be careful to select the one who will most be compatible to
them, who share the same goals and wishes. A man must look beyond the
physical beauty of a woman and look to her intelligence, her
compassion, her loveliness, work habits, tendency to sacrifice and
devotion, and integrity. A woman should look to those qualities in a
man, as well.

A man must cultivate the proper spirit of leadership. Both, the man
and woman, must avoid excessiveness. When offended you avoid anger
and hostility. You must avoid chopping up your other. You must treat
her as if she were an extension of you. When was the last time you
yelled at yourself, for instance? If you are forgiving of your own
mistakes, you must forgive her.

A woman must not be angry and cold when her other disappoints her, but
rather, articulate in a kind manner, if her husband were an extension
of herself. If she pulls him to her side and whispers into his ear
what she feels he would be more apt to get the point quickly and feel
ancy to make the corrections.

JM