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"John Jones" |
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02 Jul 2006 08:13:28 AM |
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Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
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| User: "Big Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 09:15:28 AM |
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"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Are you, by any chance, related to Jim Jones?
David H.
#2217
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| User: "John Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 01:08:18 PM |
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Big Dave wrote:
"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Are you, by any chance, related to Jim Jones?
David H.
#2217
Who is that?
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| User: "Big Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
03 Jul 2006 07:33:44 AM |
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"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151863698.336461.191590@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Big Dave wrote:
"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Are you, by any chance, related to Jim Jones?
David H.
#2217
Who is that?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/dc_jones.htm
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 08:55:16 AM |
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"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Said like a true 'I Don't Know a *Damn* Thing About Atheists' impartial
observer.
Greywolf
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 09:04:55 AM |
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"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
What is it that troubles you so about atheism? Are you of the mind that
atheists have no 'soul'. Well you're right. We have none. Their is nothing
'supernatural' within us. We possess an outstanding set of moral principals
and a decent and well-developed 'inner self' (among other noble things) that
is second to none. How's *that* for being 'un-Godly'?
As for nature: One of the few times you will ever see *this* atheist
actually cry is when I see nature being savaged and animals needlessly, and
mercilessly put to death. Call me a 'softie' if you must.
Greywolf
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| User: "John Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 01:14:49 PM |
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Greywolf wrote:
"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
What is it that troubles you so about atheism? Are you of the mind that
atheists have no 'soul'. Well you're right. We have none. Their is nothing
'supernatural' within us. We possess an outstanding set of moral principals
and a decent and well-developed 'inner self' (among other noble things) that
is second to none. How's *that* for being 'un-Godly'?
As for nature: One of the few times you will ever see *this* atheist
actually cry is when I see nature being savaged and animals needlessly, and
mercilessly put to death. Call me a 'softie' if you must.
Greywolf
Right. So no soul. But then I don't know what you mean by soul. What
about consciousness? did you have some evidence for it?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 02:58:06 PM |
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"John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Go hug a lion at the zoo.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 08:39:19 AM |
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Is there supposed to be any meaning in this incoherent babble? No? I thought
so.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 08:53:26 AM |
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John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Another new thread by the ignorant sod that has no clue as to what an
atheist is.
Atheism does not examine anything. Get this through that stone between
your ears will ya.
Atheism is nothing more then a state of being, to wit, being with out
theism.
A naturalist examines nature, be they atheist or theist does not matter.
Just as an astronomer examines space, be they theist or atheist. A
biologist examines biology, and that person too could be a theist or an
atheist.
You on the other hand still need to learn what atheism is. It really is
a very simple concept, one that most people with more then half a brain
can figure out.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "John Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 09:04:39 AM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Another new thread by the ignorant sod that has no clue as to what an
atheist is.
Atheism does not examine anything. Get this through that stone between
your ears will ya.
Atheism is nothing more then a state of being, to wit, being with out
theism.
A naturalist examines nature, be they atheist or theist does not matter.
Just as an astronomer examines space, be they theist or atheist. A
biologist examines biology, and that person too could be a theist or an
atheist.
You on the other hand still need to learn what atheism is. It really is
a very simple concept, one that most people with more then half a brain
can figure out.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
I can't reply to everyone but you will do. Google puts limits on the
number of posts I can send.
Yes, just as with christianity and science, its really all about
'examining' nature isn't it. Can't you see that atheism is just like
christianity without gods?
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 09:29:56 AM |
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John Jones wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Another new thread by the ignorant sod that has no clue as to what an
atheist is.
Atheism does not examine anything. Get this through that stone between
your ears will ya.
Atheism is nothing more then a state of being, to wit, being with out
theism.
A naturalist examines nature, be they atheist or theist does not matter.
Just as an astronomer examines space, be they theist or atheist. A
biologist examines biology, and that person too could be a theist or an
atheist.
You on the other hand still need to learn what atheism is. It really is
a very simple concept, one that most people with more then half a brain
can figure out.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
I can't reply to everyone but you will do. Google puts limits on the
number of posts I can send.
Yes, just as with christianity and science, its really all about
'examining' nature isn't it. Can't you see that atheism is just like
christianity without gods?
Not according to your silly assertion above.
"Atheism's stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own."
Atheism has nothing to do with this statement, neither does
Christianity, or Islam, or Hinduism, none of them.
Science is the only thing that can take a stand on nature, since that is
the job of science.
And currently, science just can't seem to find any objective evidence to
support the silly notion of gods. In nature or anywhere else for that
matter, except in the minds of the deluded believers.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 12:10:05 PM |
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On 2 Jul 2006 07:04:39 -0700, "John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com>
wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
Another new thread by the ignorant sod that has no clue as to what an
atheist is.
Atheism does not examine anything. Get this through that stone between
your ears will ya.
Atheism is nothing more then a state of being, to wit, being with out
theism.
A naturalist examines nature, be they atheist or theist does not matter.
Just as an astronomer examines space, be they theist or atheist. A
biologist examines biology, and that person too could be a theist or an
atheist.
You on the other hand still need to learn what atheism is. It really is
a very simple concept, one that most people with more then half a brain
can figure out.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
I can't reply to everyone but you will do. Google puts limits on the
number of posts I can send.
Yes, just as with christianity and science, its really all about
'examining' nature isn't it. Can't you see that atheism is just like
christianity without gods?
OK, I'll explain this once more nicely: atheism is the absence of
theism. Nothing else. It has no tenets of any kind, and implies no
other philosophical, moral, or political positions. It offers no means
of "exploring nature", or of doing anything else, it's simply the
absence of belief in deities.
Please re-read the above a few times until it sinks in; your lack of
comprehension is really becoming tedious.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 09:04:36 AM |
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John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
*****, troll. Honest theists are welcome, but you are not.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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| Title: Meet JJ's friends |
02 Jul 2006 08:56:33 AM |
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John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites/page.cfm?orgid=405&pid=2629
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| User: "John Jones" |
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02 Jul 2006 09:06:56 AM |
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Pastor Kutchie wrote:
John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites/page.cfm?orgid=405&pid=2629
Your allusions to mental health were spot on. I have always said that
any attributions to anyone of a mental nature, or mental diagnosis, are
always patronising, and never reflect a purely medical interest.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Meet JJ's friends |
02 Jul 2006 12:05:19 PM |
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On 2 Jul 2006 07:06:56 -0700, "John Jones" <jonescardiff@aol.com>
wrote:
Pastor Kutchie wrote:
John Jones wrote:
Atheism examines nature's corpse: nature as information, nature as
means to an end, nature as plaything, to be visited, viewed, wooed,
stalked, netted and reaped... For anything in nature that is of meaning
beyond its mass, substance and volume, atheism discards. Atheism's
stand against nature rivals science's and christianity's own.
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites/page.cfm?orgid=405&pid=2629
Your allusions to mental health were spot on. I have always said that
any attributions to anyone of a mental nature, or mental diagnosis, are
always patronising, and never reflect a purely medical interest.
May I ask, out of curiosity, what your diagnosis is? At this point
it's quite clear that your interest in the matter is personal.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 08:39:08 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, John Jones in episode
<1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Atheism examines
You need to look up "reification fallacy" some time...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 12:04:07 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:39:08 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, John Jones in episode
<1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Atheism examines
You need to look up "reification fallacy" some time...
He needs to look up "Thorazine" some time...
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism, christianity and science - allied against Nature |
02 Jul 2006 06:01:51 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, raven1 in episode
<e3vfa2p3fob0fn93vr5rc2nrrvegcddn3q@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:39:08 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
Previously, on alt.atheism, John Jones in episode
<1151846008.802963.291550@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
Atheism examines
You need to look up "reification fallacy" some time...
He needs to look up "Thorazine" some time... --
Do they have that in bulk?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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