Religions > Atheism > Atheism does not follow Moral standards? was Re: Ping Mr Bla? Re:Who is Mark Sornson ?
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25 Nov 2005 10:25:15 PM |
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Atheism does not follow Moral standards? was Re: Ping Mr Bla? Re:Who is Mark Sornson ? |
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her to
some moral standard?
Are you saying that atheists do not follow any sort of Moral Standards?
That would explain Carol Adamo Gulley.
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27 Nov 2005 01:21:00 PM |
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BishopViolet wrote:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her to
some moral standard?
Are you saying that atheists do not follow any sort of Moral Standards?
That would explain Carol Adamo Gulley.
I have no idea who she is, and I don't care. Most theists whom I've
read are fairly ignorant of both theology and history, so among their
ignorant mewings is the argument that atheists have no moral code. If
you actually read a few theologians or an adequate history you'll find
that long ago the morals of pagans were contemplated by Christians who
came to the conclusion that non-Christians had a moral code because
without one civilized society would be impossible. Aquinas called it
the "natual law." Basically, one cannot live in an orderly society if
murder, theft, lying under oath, and adultery abound, hence, the
natural law. Divine law comes in where the natural law leaves off and
has to with the relationship between man and God, e.g., going to
church, worship, the abundance or singularity of god or gods, the
sacred rites and rituals. The ONLY thing that Christian, or Braham, or
Islamic beliefs add to natural law is a thick glaze of superstition and
an excuse for setting aside natural law when you want to murder, steal,
lie or screw someone.
Wexford
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28 Nov 2005 07:52:47 PM |
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Interesting.
Smiler wrote:
Bla
It would also be true to say that believers in one religion do not share all the
same moral values (or moral values to the same extent) [1] as believers in
another religion.
As atheism is a belief [2] (in the non-existence of a diety) as much as any
religion [3], then we can expand the above to:
Believers in one belief system should not be surprised when a believer in
another belief system does not share *all* their moral values.
[1] Judeo-Christian ethic states "Honour thy Father and Mother". Shintoism
honours all the ancestors.
[2] The opposite of belief is doubt. Agnosticism is the only non-belief.
[3] A friend explained that he wanted to become an atheist, but I couldn't find
the church :-)
Smiler
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25 Nov 2005 10:57:13 PM |
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Piggybacking:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her to
some moral standard?
Atheists hold people (including themselves) to a moral standard by
deciding to do so, without the unnecessary ritual of enshrining the
moral standard in religion.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Dale" |
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26 Nov 2005 01:24:51 AM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Piggybacking:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones
personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her
to
some moral standard?
Atheists hold people (including themselves) to a moral standard by
deciding to do so, without the unnecessary ritual of enshrining the
moral standard in religion.
--- Jim07D5
The urge to do the "right thing" is innate in all humans, we all ask
ourselves "What is the right thing to do?" dozens of times each day.
Ultimately, the answer always comes from within each individual person,
reinforced by society. Some people think society is a God, and make a
religion of a society's morals. But it's good that they think this way,
because those kind of people wouldn't believe in morals if they didn't think
there was some ultimate authority to back them up.
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| User: "BishopViolet" |
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26 Nov 2005 04:56:07 AM |
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Dale wrote:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:klqfo1d5djgngg6ider7s09mnf6r6jc5q7@4ax.com...
Piggybacking:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones
personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her
to
some moral standard?
Atheists hold people (including themselves) to a moral standard by
deciding to do so, without the unnecessary ritual of enshrining the
moral standard in religion.
--- Jim07D5
The urge to do the "right thing" is innate in all humans, we all ask
ourselves "What is the right thing to do?" dozens of times each day.
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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26 Nov 2005 09:49:20 AM |
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BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> said:
<...>
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
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What do you call that statement?
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Nov 2005 10:53:21 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:49:20 GMT, Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> said:
<...>
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
<...>
What do you call that statement?
His moral code - which allows him to slander atheists and expects us
to put up with it because it's his sincerely held religious belief.
--- Jim07D5
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26 Nov 2005 02:58:44 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:49:20 GMT, Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote:
BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> said:
<...>
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
<...>
What do you call that statement?
His moral code - which allows him to slander atheists and expects us
to put up with it because it's his sincerely held religious belief.
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He doesn't only slander his victims but the victim's innocent family members
as well for maximum damage. If he actually looked in the windows and
watched all these rapes occurring, including a child rape, he must have
really enjoyed it since he never called the police - yet posted it all over
Usenet. He believes Jehovah his god wants him to do this.....
CR........
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
http://dbhome.dk/carlo/ secret Elder's Manual
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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26 Nov 2005 05:14:51 AM |
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BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> suddenly spluttered:
Dale wrote:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:klqfo1d5djgngg6ider7s09mnf6r6jc5q7@4ax.com...
Piggybacking:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones
personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her
to
some moral standard?
Atheists hold people (including themselves) to a moral standard by
deciding to do so, without the unnecessary ritual of enshrining the
moral standard in religion.
--- Jim07D5
The urge to do the "right thing" is innate in all humans, we all ask
ourselves "What is the right thing to do?" dozens of times each day.
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
Who the ***** is Carolyn Adamo Gulley, and why does anything entitle
you to violate the alt.atheism charter and post here slandering all
atheists?
Tell us, BV, how many atheists (per capita) are there in your
country's jails? And how many atheists (per capita) are there in your
country's population? "What moral code" indeed? Motes, beams etc....
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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26 Nov 2005 06:00:18 PM |
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<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
Who the ***** is Carolyn Adamo Gulley, and why does anything entitle
you to violate the alt.atheism charter and post here slandering all
atheists?
Carol? Aka Expozem among other alias?
She is an confirmed atheist wh stalk JW's and Christians by using
slander and deciet.
You got a problem with her for being atheist?
take it up with her:
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345
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| User: "Koi-lo" |
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26 Nov 2005 09:19:43 AM |
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"<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu" <yournamehere@martyrdom.org> wrote in
message news:imggo11noohutpkkqae9fleatrbkl30s4l@4ax.com...
BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> suddenly spluttered:
Dale wrote:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:klqfo1d5djgngg6ider7s09mnf6r6jc5q7@4ax.com...
Piggybacking:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones
personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold
her
to
some moral standard?
Atheists hold people (including themselves) to a moral standard by
deciding to do so, without the unnecessary ritual of enshrining the
moral standard in religion.
--- Jim07D5
The urge to do the "right thing" is innate in all humans, we all ask
ourselves "What is the right thing to do?" dozens of times each day.
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
Who the ***** is Carolyn Adamo Gulley, and why does anything entitle
you to violate the alt.atheism charter and post here slandering all
atheists?
=============== TROLL ALERT
"BishopViolet" <purple@betta.org> is Jabriol, a devout believer, creationist
and Jehovah's Witness who is now nymshifting constantly to bypass your
killfiles and make it harder to track his messages on Google. He's looking
for someone to do his *dirty work* and attack this family in TN. He's been
reported to the Police in two states. Ironic how he claims atheists have no
morals when he himself has none........
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CR .....
"Men never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
http://www.truthandgrace.com/Watchtower.htm
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26 Nov 2005 06:08:42 PM |
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Koi-lo wrote:
"BishopViolet" <purple@betta.org> is Jabriol, a devout believer,
creationist and Jehovah's Witness who is now nymshifting constantly to
bypass your killfiles and make it harder to track his messages on
Google. He's looking for someone to do his *dirty work* and attack this
family in TN. He's been reported to the Police in two states. Ironic
how he claims atheists have no morals when he himself has none........
Koi-lo is really Carol Adamo Gulley, who under the guise of atheism,
attack american citizens on the Net by saying God is Great.
She jump with glee durring 911, and has been reported to all federal
agencies.
She also threaten to capture Santa Clause and shave his beard, and dress
him up in green with is the secret color of all atheists in the world.
They even have a club. You might want to visit them at:
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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27 Nov 2005 12:26:33 PM |
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BishopViolet wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:klqfo1d5djgngg6ider7s09mnf6r6jc5q7@4ax.com...
Piggybacking:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones
personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her
to
some moral standard?
Atheists hold people (including themselves) to a moral standard by
deciding to do so, without the unnecessary ritual of enshrining the
moral standard in religion.
--- Jim07D5
The urge to do the "right thing" is innate in all humans, we all ask
ourselves "What is the right thing to do?" dozens of times each day.
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
I am not perfect, and do not expect anyone else to be, but I do not, as
do many so called Xtians, do as I please, and lamely, and repeatly, use
that as an excuse time after time after time, ad infinitum ad nauseum,
to not change.
To be present at a judgement day, at which
lame-*****-excuse-making-so-called-Christians give their lame ***** excuses
to their 'God', would be priceless indeed!
L.Roberts.
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| User: "Expozem" |
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27 Nov 2005 01:08:38 PM |
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L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
I am not perfect, and do not expect anyone else to be, but I do not, as
do many so called Xtians, do as I please, and lamely, and repeatly, use
that as an excuse time after time after time, ad infinitum ad nauseum,
to not change.
To be present at a judgement day, at which
lame-*****-excuse-making-so-called-Christians give their lame ***** excuses
to their 'God', would be priceless indeed!
L.Roberts.
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27 Nov 2005 01:38:47 PM |
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Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
I am not perfect, and do not expect anyone else to be, but I do not, as
do many so called Xtians, do as I please, and lamely, and repeatly, use
that as an excuse time after time after time, ad infinitum ad nauseum,
to not change.
To be present at a judgement day, at which
lame-*****-excuse-making-so-called-Christians give their lame ***** excuses
to their 'God', would be priceless indeed!
L.Roberts.
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| User: "Expozem" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:23:12 PM |
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L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
How do you explain that?
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28 Nov 2005 11:09:14 AM |
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"Expozem" <IdaTakenkash@zapto.org> wrote in message
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L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did not
exist.
If you're talking about Jesus, the "golden rule" predates him. Sorry.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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27 Nov 2005 07:39:04 PM |
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Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Hmmm, the concept of the "Golden Rule" is older than the Late J.C. and
whereas 'some' atheists my think he never existed it does not predicate
that I share that view. Also, the 'Golden Rule' is something which
sentient, and honest, beings, anywhere, might, independant of the
Bible, hit upon.
Accepting the one time existence of the historical figure Jesus of
Nazareth, does not oblige one to believe everything and anything said
by and about him, does it?
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
You, and no one else in here, have ever heard me say that. For the
record, I find the Bible to be an interesting storybook and not devoid
some ancient and valuable wisdom, but, the same can be said of many
other books, like say, some science fiction stories. I have Bibles, and
I would no more want to see them burned than I would my copy of the
Communist Manifesto, my books by Nietze, those by the Bronte sisters or
Dr. Seuss. They're all good.
How do you explain that?
Why bother?
L.Roberts.
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28 Nov 2005 05:34:07 PM |
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L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Hmmm, the concept of the "Golden Rule" is older than the Late J.C.
Evidence?
and
whereas 'some' atheists my think he never existed it does not predicate
that I share that view. Also, the 'Golden Rule' is something which
sentient, and honest, beings, anywhere, might, independant of the
Bible, hit upon.
Really.. And who would those sentient beings be.
Accepting the one time existence of the historical figure Jesus of
Nazareth, does not oblige one to believe everything and anything said
by and about him, does it?
Either he exissted or he did not.
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
You, and no one else in here, have ever heard me say that. For the
record, I find the Bible to be an interesting storybook and not devoid
some ancient and valuable wisdom, but, the same can be said of many
other books, like say, some science fiction stories. I have Bibles, and
I would no more want to see them burned than I would my copy of the
Communist Manifesto, my books by Nietze, those by the Bronte sisters or
Dr. Seuss. They're all good.
Well I collect comic books. I won't burn them neither.
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01 Dec 2005 07:48:34 PM |
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eXpoZem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Hmmm, the concept of the "Golden Rule" is older than the Late J.C.
Evidence?
Supplied by other responders. :)
and
whereas 'some' atheists my think he never existed it does not predicate
that I share that view. Also, the 'Golden Rule' is something which
sentient, and honest, beings, anywhere, might, independant of the
Bible, hit upon.
Really.. And who would those sentient beings be.
Martians, or other extraterrestrials (if there are any), any member of
a tribe removed from the general stir of society (spared the trauma of
so called Christianity) who rationalizes that, well, if I steal, Muggs
wife, he'll steal mine and we'll neither of us be any better off, so, I
won't do him the favor of taking his wife, I'll still be stuck with
mine, Muggs and I will still be good friends, but, we won't owe each
other anything. :)
Accepting the one time existence of the historical figure Jesus of
Nazareth, does not oblige one to believe everything and anything said
by and about him, does it?
Either he exissted or he did not.
That sounds logical.
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
You, and no one else in here, have ever heard me say that. For the
record, I find the Bible to be an interesting storybook and not devoid
some ancient and valuable wisdom, but, the same can be said of many
other books, like say, some science fiction stories. I have Bibles, and
I would no more want to see them burned than I would my copy of the
Communist Manifesto, my books by Nietze, those by the Bronte sisters or
Dr. Seuss. They're all good.
Well I collect comic books. I won't burn them neither.
Wow, cool, I wish I had managed to keep my old Hulk cb's from the early
70's.
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01 Dec 2005 07:53:40 PM |
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eXpoZem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Hmmm, the concept of the "Golden Rule" is older than the Late J.C.
Evidence?
Supplied by other responders. :)
and
whereas 'some' atheists my think he never existed it does not predicate
that I share that view. Also, the 'Golden Rule' is something which
sentient, and honest, beings, anywhere, might, independant of the
Bible, hit upon.
Really.. And who would those sentient beings be.
Martians, or other extraterrestrials (if there are any), any member of
a tribe removed from the general stir of society (spared the trauma of
so called Christianity) who rationalizes that, well, if I steal, Muggs
wife, he'll steal mine and we'll neither of us be any better off, so, I
won't do him the favor of taking his wife, I'll still be stuck with
mine, Muggs and I will still be good friends, but, we won't owe each
other anything. :)
Accepting the one time existence of the historical figure Jesus of
Nazareth, does not oblige one to believe everything and anything said
by and about him, does it?
Either he exissted or he did not.
That sounds logical.
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
You, and no one else in here, have ever heard me say that. For the
record, I find the Bible to be an interesting storybook and not devoid
some ancient and valuable wisdom, but, the same can be said of many
other books, like say, some science fiction stories. I have Bibles, and
I would no more want to see them burned than I would my copy of the
Communist Manifesto, my books by Nietze, those by the Bronte sisters or
Dr. Seuss. They're all good.
Well I collect comic books. I won't burn them neither.
Wow, cool, I wish I had managed to keep my old Hulk cb's from the early
70's.
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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27 Nov 2005 07:43:27 PM |
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Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Hmmm, the concept of the "Golden Rule" is older than the Late J.C. and
whereas 'some' atheists my think he never existed it does not predicate
that I share that view. Also, the 'Golden Rule' is something which
sentient, and honest, beings, anywhere, might, independant of the
Bible, hit upon.
Accepting the one time existence of the historical figure Jesus of
Nazareth, does not oblige one to believe everything and anything said
by and about him, does it?
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
You, and no one else in here, have ever heard me say that. For the
record, I find the Bible to be an interesting storybook and not devoid
some ancient and valuable wisdom, but, the same can be said of many
other books, like say, some science fiction stories. I have Bibles, and
I would no more want to see them burned than I would my copy of the
Communist Manifesto, my books by Nietze, those by the Bronte sisters or
Dr. Seuss. They're all good.
How do you explain that?
Why bother?
L.Roberts.
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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27 Nov 2005 07:50:19 PM |
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Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Hmmm, the concept of the "Golden Rule" is older than the Late J.C. and
whereas 'some' atheists my think he never existed it does not predicate
that I share that view. Also, the 'Golden Rule' is something which
sentient, and honest, beings, anywhere, might, independant of the
Bible, hit upon.
Accepting the one time existence of the historical figure Jesus of
Nazareth, does not oblige one to believe everything and anything said
by and about him, does it?
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
You, and no one else in here, have ever heard me say that. For the
record, I find the Bible to be an interesting storybook and not devoid
some ancient and valuable wisdom, but, the same can be said of many
other books, like say, some science fiction stories. I have Bibles, and
I would no more want to see them burned than I would my copy of the
Communist Manifesto, my books by Nietze, those by the Bronte sisters or
Dr. Seuss. They're all good.
How do you explain that?
Why bother?
L.Roberts.
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28 Nov 2005 05:44:55 PM |
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Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
How do you explain that?
"Love God and love your neighbor; all the rest is mere commentary."
Hillel, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, about 40 BC
Kermit
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism does not follow Moral standards? was Re: Ping Mr Bla? Re: Who is Mark Sornson ? |
28 Nov 2005 07:07:19 PM |
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On 28 Nov 2005 15:44:55 -0800, in alt.atheism
unrestrained_hand@hotmail.com wrote in
<1133221495.154118.216320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:
Expozem wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
what is yor perception of the Golden Rule?
my perception of the golden rule is that I SHOULD treat others in the
same way that I would like to be treated, and that, because, I have
reasoned, it is in the best interests of all, myself included.
And yet this golden rule was invented by a person who per atheism did
not exist.
Written in a book, that is full of useless information
How do you explain that?
"Love God and love your neighbor; all the rest is mere commentary."
Hillel, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, about 40 BC
Leviticus 19:18 Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your
people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.
Clearly an Old Testament passage that is hated by the zealots.
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27 Nov 2005 09:30:13 PM |
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TROLL ALERT! You're replying to the troll *JABRIOL* using other people's
nyms to bypass your killfiles. Anything cross-posted to *rec.ponds* and
alt.religion.jehovahs-with is this troll from alt.religion.jehovahs-witn now
using another poster's NYM. Look at the Newsgroup line. If it includes
rec.ponds it's the troll JABRIOL.
PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL.
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"L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133120327.408175.260850@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Expozem (JABRIOL) wrote:
L.Roberts wrote:.
then again.. what Moral Code...
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27 Nov 2005 12:43:20 PM |
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BishopViolet wrote:
Dale wrote:
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:klqfo1d5djgngg6ider7s09mnf6r6jc5q7@4ax.com...
Piggybacking:
Mr. Bla wrote:
I am no great fan of Carol. If she has or has not posted anyones
personal
info I don't know. If she is indeed an atheist then how can we hold her
to
some moral standard?
Atheists hold people (including themselves) to a moral standard by
deciding to do so, without the unnecessary ritual of enshrining the
moral standard in religion.
--- Jim07D5
The urge to do the "right thing" is innate in all humans, we all ask
ourselves "What is the right thing to do?" dozens of times each day.
To Carolyn Adamo Gulley, it is "the right thing to do" to slander
people. I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
BV, so glad you asked, today I have reasonably high moral standards,
they are based on the same concept as is the 'golden rule', coupled
with an awareness of what is good in terms of personal survival
instincts, inherent in, but rarely payed due attention to by, humanity
in general. Further, I have these moral standards, not because of, but
rather, in spite of, my earlier (and failed) religioustic (so called
Christian) upbringing.
I am not perfect, and do not expect anyone else to be, but I do not, as
do many so called Xtians, do as I please, and lamely, and repeatly, use
that as an excuse time after time after time, ad infinitum ad nauseum,
to not change.
To be present at a judgement day, at which
lame-*****-excuse-making-so-called-Christians give their lame ***** excuses
to their 'God', would be priceless indeed!
L.Roberts.
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26 Nov 2005 01:49:06 PM |
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In article <bbXhf.254$to5.170@trnddc04>,
BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> wrote:
I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
Atheists and agostics have moral codes, Theists have commandments.
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| User: "Cracklin" |
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26 Nov 2005 02:15:30 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-76E099.12490626112005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <bbXhf.254$to5.170@trnddc04>,
BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> wrote:
I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
Atheists and agostics have moral codes, Theists have commandments.
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The well known Jehovah's Witness sociopath harassing me and my family has no
morals or values at all, nor does he follow the commandments of the God he
claims to believe in. He even slandered members of my family he knows
almost nothing about, never met and they don't even use Usenet. He's just
trying to do as much damage to myself and my family as he can. I think the
man is mentally ill. His obsession is really out of control........
CR.........
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| User: "BishopViolet" |
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26 Nov 2005 06:13:51 PM |
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Cracklin' wrote:
"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-76E099.12490626112005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <bbXhf.254$to5.170@trnddc04>,
BishopViolet <purple@betta.org> wrote:
I guess ahteists follow a different moral code..
then again.. what Moral Code...
Atheists and agostics have moral codes, Theists have commandments.
============================
The well known Jehovah's Witness sociopath harassing me and my family
has no morals or values at all, nor does he follow the commandments of
the God he claims to believe in. He even slandered members of my family
he knows almost nothing about, never met and they don't even use
Usenet. He's just trying to do as much damage to myself and my family
as he can. I think the man is mentally ill. His obsession is really
out of control........
CR.........
Well Carol, why don't you call the police? Oh yeah I forgot you been
calling the police for about a year now. Aren't you tired of being
laughed at?
As for your family using Usenet, if your husband ever found out how you
use usenet, it will be curtains for you.
Maybe someone may want to go knock on your door and tell him yourself:
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
Maiden name Witkowski born 1944
Current "husband":
Randy R. born 1946
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345
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