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Religions > Atheism |
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"K.C." |
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11 Jan 2005 08:36:53 PM |
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atheism failures |
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
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| User: "Gary Bohn" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
15 Jan 2005 10:50:19 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:g_CdnejGTfupQnTcRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95DFBF4222DC3GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:Vq-dnaAFxPSZFXTcRVn-tA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <41E96995.C9576B60@all.com>, nJb lept out of the
bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41E8D9C9.8E708B47@all.com>, nJb lept out of
the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <120120051512276098%chib@outreach.com>,
chibiabos lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <3pSdnX_Qf9UaDnjcRVn-gw@megapath.net>, Mark K.
Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <120120051113158671%chib@outreach.com>,
chibiabos lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <XK-dncqiZ7CAM3ncRVn-hw@megapath.net>, Mark K.
Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1105499097.822854.98180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
K.C. lept out of the bushes shouting:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities
paying for the repairs, medicine, and care of those
hurt?
How much money has the ACLU put up for human needs in
asia? What about the international socialist
organizations? What about the national federation of
teachers or the national organization for women or
planned parenthood.
Where are their open checkbooks?
WHAT?
This sort of reveals a different agenda, doesn't it?
Oh look! It's another dittohead!
What the *freak is he on about anyway? He thinks the ACLU is
a relief organization?
I thought he was just another do-gooder christian out to save
our souls but the screed above shows that he's far worse, a
dominionist who gets his information from faux news and right
wing talk radio. He's Duke-light.
Do *any of the people vehemently attacking the ACLU actually
know that it *is?
The lack of understanding about the ACLU is widespread among
those on the right. Not a single one of them (except,
perhaps, Limbaugh himself recently) understands that the ACLU
is nothing more than a legal firm like thousands of others; a
nation-wide legal firm that specializes in civil rights
issues, no matter who the plaintiff is or their ability to
pay. I would not be a bit surprised to see them defend the
Philadelphia Four, if asked.
Last I saw, the local ACLU *is interested in the case and on
the side of the Christians. But I'm sure that the Christers
won't *ask. That would hurt their propaganda campaign claim
that the ACLU *never helps *Christians...
The ACLU supported the Mormon Church when their housing rules at
BYU were challenged.
Yeah but they're not Real Christians(tm)!
(At least not according to the fundies who spend all day whining
about the ACLU)
Eh. The Catholics don't recognize the Fundies, the Fundies don't
recognize the Mormons, and the Mormons don't recognize each other
in the liquor store.
And the Baptists look the other way on seeing each other in the
adult section of the video rental store...
Which other way can they look? Are they masters of disguise.
Shapeshifters?
Or perhaps they just bend over and look sheepish?
I think they try to appear Methodist...
What methods might those be? Holy rolling?
--
apatriot #23, aa #2179, Grand Poobah, EAC Department of Oxygen
Deprivation
Responsible for brain damage everywhere!
Gary Bohn
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
16 Jan 2005 06:31:02 AM |
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In our last episode <Xns95DFE85DF4CAFGaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:g_CdnejGTfupQnTcRVn-ug@megapath.net:
In our last episode <Xns95DFBF4222DC3GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:Vq-dnaAFxPSZFXTcRVn-tA@megapath.net:
In our last episode <41E96995.C9576B60@all.com>, nJb lept out of the
bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <41E8D9C9.8E708B47@all.com>, nJb lept out of the
bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
In our last episode <120120051512276098%chib@outreach.com>,
chibiabos lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <3pSdnX_Qf9UaDnjcRVn-gw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <120120051113158671%chib@outreach.com>,
chibiabos lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <XK-dncqiZ7CAM3ncRVn-hw@megapath.net>, Mark K.
Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1105499097.822854.98180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
K.C. lept out of the bushes shouting:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities
paying for the repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt?
How much money has the ACLU put up for human needs in
asia? What about the international socialist
organizations? What about the national federation of
teachers or the national organization for women or
planned parenthood.
Where are their open checkbooks?
WHAT?
This sort of reveals a different agenda, doesn't it?
Oh look! It's another dittohead!
What the *freak is he on about anyway? He thinks the ACLU is a
relief organization?
I thought he was just another do-gooder christian out to save
our souls but the screed above shows that he's far worse, a
dominionist who gets his information from faux news and right
wing talk radio. He's Duke-light.
Do *any of the people vehemently attacking the ACLU actually
know that it *is?
The lack of understanding about the ACLU is widespread among
those on the right. Not a single one of them (except, perhaps,
Limbaugh himself recently) understands that the ACLU is nothing
more than a legal firm like thousands of others; a nation-wide
legal firm that specializes in civil rights issues, no matter
who the plaintiff is or their ability to pay. I would not be a
bit surprised to see them defend the Philadelphia Four, if
asked.
Last I saw, the local ACLU *is interested in the case and on the
side of the Christians. But I'm sure that the Christers won't
*ask. That would hurt their propaganda campaign claim that the
ACLU *never helps *Christians...
The ACLU supported the Mormon Church when their housing rules at
BYU were challenged.
Yeah but they're not Real Christians(tm)!
(At least not according to the fundies who spend all day whining
about the ACLU)
Eh. The Catholics don't recognize the Fundies, the Fundies don't
recognize the Mormons, and the Mormons don't recognize each other in
the liquor store.
And the Baptists look the other way on seeing each other in the adult
section of the video rental store...
Which other way can they look? Are they masters of disguise.
Shapeshifters?
Or perhaps they just bend over and look sheepish?
I think they try to appear Methodist...
What methods might those be? Holy rolling?
Methodists? I don't think they've rolled holy in something like a century
now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "thomas p" |
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16 Jan 2005 04:18:39 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:32:44 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <Xns95DFBF4222DC3GaryBohn@130.133.1.4>, Gary Bohn lept
out of the bushes shouting:
snip
And the Baptists look the other way on seeing each other in the adult
section of the video rental store...
Which other way can they look? Are they masters of disguise.
Shapeshifters?
Or perhaps they just bend over and look sheepish?
I think they try to appear Methodist...
Yes, appearing sheepish comes naturally to them.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
14 Jan 2005 11:20:08 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:25:03 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote
(in article <zPadnUAyhcBmJXrcRVn-tA@megapath.net>):
In our last episode <120120051512276098%chib@outreach.com>, chibiabos lept
out of the bushes shouting:
In article <3pSdnX_Qf9UaDnjcRVn-gw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <120120051113158671%chib@outreach.com>, chibiabos
lept out of the bushes shouting:
In article <XK-dncqiZ7CAM3ncRVn-hw@megapath.net>, Mark K. Bilbo
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode
<1105499097.822854.98180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, K.C. lept out
of the bushes shouting:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt? How much money has the
ACLU put up for human needs in asia? What about the international
socialist organizations? What about the national federation of
teachers or the national organization for women or planned
parenthood.
Where are their open checkbooks?
WHAT?
This sort of reveals a different agenda, doesn't it?
Oh look! It's another dittohead!
What the *freak is he on about anyway? He thinks the ACLU is a relief
organization?
I thought he was just another do-gooder christian out to save our souls
but the screed above shows that he's far worse, a dominionist who gets his
information from faux news and right wing talk radio. He's Duke-light.
Do *any of the people vehemently attacking the ACLU actually know that
it *is?
The lack of understanding about the ACLU is widespread among those on the
right. Not a single one of them (except, perhaps, Limbaugh himself
recently) understands that the ACLU is nothing more than a legal firm like
thousands of others; a nation-wide legal firm that specializes in civil
rights issues, no matter who the plaintiff is or their ability to pay. I
would not be a bit surprised to see them defend the Philadelphia Four, if
asked.
Last I saw, the local ACLU *is interested in the case and on the side of
the Christians. But I'm sure that the Christers won't *ask. That would
hurt their propaganda campaign claim that the ACLU *never helps
*Christians...
The ACLU has defended the Ku Klux Klan on quite a few
occasions.
++ Gray Shockley /Please Remove All Dunce Caps /
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
11 Jan 2005 10:26:12 PM |
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K.C. wrote:
John Popelish wrote:
"K.C." wrote:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or
give
you self-control.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of
attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He
has
for you.
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
We've had a lot of severe weather and seismic activity in the last
year, here on Earth.
--
John Popelish
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt? How much money has the ACLU
put up for human needs in asia? What about the international socialist
organizations? What about the national federation of teachers or the
national organization for women or planned parenthood. Where are their
open checkbooks?
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
I guess you've never heard of UNESCO, or the Red Cross.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
12 Jan 2005 07:24:48 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2005 20:06:31 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt?
How much have Moslem countries put up? Oops - theism loses that one.
How much money has the ACLU put up for human needs in asia?
How much money has the Congregation for the Preservation of the Faith
put up for human needs in asia? Oops - theism loses that one.
Or is the truth just that you're too brain dead to post a COGENT
argument?
--
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding
the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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14 Jan 2005 11:18:43 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:24:48 -0600, Al Klein wrote
(in article <3bjbu0104beojt64roao4brat2qg93up6c@4ax.com>):
On 11 Jan 2005 20:06:31 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt?
How much have Moslem countries put up? Oops - theism loses that one.
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
A couple of years ago I was listening to an interview with
a young woman in Mexico who was converting from
Christianity to Islam.
The reason she stated for her conversion was that she was
attracted to Islam because it's a theistic religion unlike
Christianity and its polytheism.
1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ????
Everytime Henrieta H God starts talkin' about the
"Trinity", She starts laughing so hard She finally gives up
and goes and gets a beer (PBR - I know, I know).
Of course if you've ever participated in one of Henrieta H
God's "Diversity Orgies", you know what Holy Rolling is all
about.
++ Gray /Please check your snake at the door /
How much money has the ACLU put up for human needs in asia?
How much money has the Congregation for the Preservation of the Faith
put up for human needs in asia? Oops - theism loses that one.
Or is the truth just that you're too brain dead to post a COGENT
argument?
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
17 Jan 2005 01:25:39 PM |
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Gray Shockley wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:24:48 -0600, Al Klein wrote
(in article <3bjbu0104beojt64roao4brat2qg93up6c@4ax.com>):
On 11 Jan 2005 20:06:31 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt?
How much have Moslem countries put up? Oops - theism loses that one.
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Jan 2005 02:44:16 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:25:39 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Gray Shockley wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:24:48 -0600, Al Klein wrote
(in article <3bjbu0104beojt64roao4brat2qg93up6c@4ax.com>):
On 11 Jan 2005 20:06:31 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt?
How much have Moslem countries put up? Oops - theism loses that one.
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
It was. And it shows theism for what it is - claiming the moral high
road while taking the low road.
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
- H. L. Mencken
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
17 Jan 2005 09:20:23 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:44:16 -0600, Al Klein wrote
(in article <nr8ou09ell2h1q2mhntq3915dosng18b25@4ax.com>):
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:25:39 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> said in alt.atheism:
Gray Shockley wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:24:48 -0600, Al Klein wrote
(in article <3bjbu0104beojt64roao4brat2qg93up6c@4ax.com>):
On 11 Jan 2005 20:06:31 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt?
How much have Moslem countries put up? Oops - theism loses that one.
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
It was. And it shows theism for what it is - claiming the moral high
road while taking the low road.
Ah. Thanks to you & Tuk for explaining that. It makes
total sense (I can, of course misunderstand
/anything/.)
++ Gray / But anything! /
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
17 Jan 2005 09:52:16 PM |
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Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
I provided data showing that proportionate to GNP, the Arab world
contributed several times as much as did the US.
lojbab
--
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "Dana" |
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17 Jan 2005 11:16:28 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
I provided data showing that proportionate to GNP, the Arab world
contributed several times as much as did the US.
*****.
The Arab world has done very little to help the Muslims in Indonesia and
other areas affected by the tsaumni.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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18 Jan 2005 05:38:13 AM |
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Dana <dana@255.255.255> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
I provided data showing that proportionate to GNP, the Arab world
contributed several times as much as did the US.
*****.
The Arab world has done very little to help the Muslims in Indonesia and
other areas affected by the tsaumni.
Some number of Arab states (not sure which ones) collectively
contributed $42 million, which sounds small compared to the US until
one finds out that "rich" Saudi Arabia has a GNP of only $150 billion,
and Egypt and Iran clock in at $100 billion - the other Arab countries
have tiny economies. The total may collectively amount to $500
billion, so to compare with the US, one has to multiply that $42
million by around 20-40 times, so that the Arab states have
contributed proportionately between 2 and 4 times as much as has the
US.
lojbab
--
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "Dana" |
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18 Jan 2005 07:35:47 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Dana <dana@255.255.255> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
I provided data showing that proportionate to GNP, the Arab world
contributed several times as much as did the US.
*****.
The Arab world has done very little to help the Muslims in Indonesia
and other areas affected by the tsaumni.
Some number of Arab states
No matter how you try to spin it, most Islamic run Arab states
contributed very little to none. Arab states with a more secular gvt
were the only one's to have contributed.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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18 Jan 2005 12:49:52 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:52:16 -0500, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
I provided data showing that proportionate to GNP, the Arab world
contributed several times as much as did the US.
So did, just to name a few examples, Germany, France, and Japan.
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
18 Jan 2005 01:27:37 AM |
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thomas p wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:52:16 -0500, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
I provided data showing that proportionate to GNP, the Arab world
contributed several times as much as did the US.
So did, just to name a few examples, Germany, France, and Japan.
In your example, only Japan gave more than the USA.
germany and france did not even make the top 10 list.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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18 Jan 2005 05:52:37 AM |
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Dana <dana@255.255.255> wrote:
thomas p wrote:
So did, just to name a few examples, Germany, France, and Japan.
In your example, only Japan gave more than the USA.
germany and france did not even make the top 10 list.
Germany has pledged more than $680 million, the last I saw; twice as
much as the US despite a much smaller economy. Whatever numbers
you've seen are out of date.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP24992.htm
lojbab
--
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Jan 2005 12:29:45 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:27:37 -0900, Dana <dana@255.255.255> wrote:
thomas p wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:52:16 -0500, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Tukla Ratte <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
Yes, and Muslim countries been very stingy with their monetary aide,
even rich ones like Saudi Arabia. I think that was Al's point.
I provided data showing that proportionate to GNP, the Arab world
contributed several times as much as did the US.
So did, just to name a few examples, Germany, France, and Japan.
In your example, only Japan gave more than the USA.
germany and france did not even make the top 10 list.
Per capita they all gave more. Per capita my country gave more. Per
capita the US is on the bottom of the contributor list of developed
countries.
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15 Jan 2005 03:00:22 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:18:43 -0600, Gray Shockley
<grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:24:48 -0600, Al Klein wrote
(in article <3bjbu0104beojt64roao4brat2qg93up6c@4ax.com>):
On 11 Jan 2005 20:06:31 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt?
How much have Moslem countries put up? Oops - theism loses that one.
???? You lost me on that one. Islam (& Judaism) is (are)
very much theistic.
A couple of years ago I was listening to an interview with
a young woman in Mexico who was converting from
Christianity to Islam.
The reason she stated for her conversion was that she was
attracted to Islam because it's a theistic religion unlike
Christianity and its polytheism.
Perhaps she said or meant to say that Islam was a monotheistic
religion in opposition to Christianity. That is, at least, a common
claim of Moslems.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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11 Jan 2005 11:52:01 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2005, K.C. dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
John Popelish wrote:
"K.C." wrote:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or
give
you self-control.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of
attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He
has
for you.
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
We've had a lot of severe weather and seismic activity in the last
year, here on Earth.
--
John Popelish
And is it socialist countries or Christian charities paying for the
repairs, medicine, and care of those hurt? How much money has the ACLU
put up for human needs in asia? What about the international socialist
organizations? What about the national federation of teachers or the
national organization for women or planned parenthood. Where are their
open checkbooks?
What the ***** would you care about human needs? All you care about is
converting people to your warped beliefs so you *yourself* can feel more
comfy-cozy walking around in this world. Most of the people who died in
Asia were not Christians. Most of the survivors are not either.
Checkbook my hairy *****, all you are interested in is converting them to
bolster your own numbers, to gain support for your own church, your own
needs.
*****, kook.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you
wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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11 Jan 2005 09:22:16 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:07:55 -0500, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net>
wrote:
"K.C." wrote:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
It doesn't sprungulate your wibblies either. Do you have a point,
moron?
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Your religion pretends to. But this is nothing to do with atheism,
moron.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Your religion pretends to. But this is nothing to do with atheism. But
biology gives an actual reason, not a pretend one, moron.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
It won't whirdle your grussets either. Do you have a point, moron?
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
It won't splinge your wang either, not even your wang against
Christianity. Do you have a point, moron?
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Your religion pretends to. But this is nothing to do with atheism,
moron.
And your religion certainly hasn't given you any love or regard for
the human race. Instead it has made you an in-your-face nastily stupid
bigot.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Your religion pretends to. But this is nothing to do with atheism,
moron. And it certainly hasn't given you any morals. Instead it has
made you an in-your-face nastily stupid bigot.
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Your religion pretends to. But this is nothing to do with atheism. You
imagine that the voices in your head listen to you, moron.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Your religion pretends to. But this is nothing to do with atheism. It
is the comfort of the drug addict when he gets his fix, moron.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
Your religion has turned you into a stupid liar, who rudely rubs his
delusions in everybody else's face, moron.
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
We've had a lot of severe weather and seismic activity in the last
year, here on Earth.
And too many stupid, nasty, in-your-face bigoted morons.
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| User: "" |
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15 Jan 2005 09:45:23 AM |
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Chemistry will not give you peace for your soul.
Chemistry will not give you a reason for life.
Chemistry will not explain a reason for death.
Chemistry will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Chemistry will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against Chemistry.
Chemistry will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Chemistry will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Chemistry will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Chemistry will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Chemistry fails. Hammurabi hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of
attempts.
Trust alchemy and the unsupported claims it has for you.
Kermit,
Who wonders who would think chemistry would be exteced to do any of
this
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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11 Jan 2005 08:58:30 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, K.C. poured fuel on the fire with
the following:
[ snip ]
Denny Gillespie would be proud of this collection of straw men.
Atheism fails.
We failed your rigged test? Boo hoo.
Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
Your deity is a fallacy.
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Regards,
Josef
Religion is all bunk.
-- Thomas A. Edison
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| User: "BDK" |
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11 Jan 2005 10:04:22 PM |
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In article <1105497413.892672.160100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
kands00@hotmail.com says...
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Neither will non-existant sky daddies.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
I don't need one, why would you?
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
This is about as stupid a thing as I have ever read. You die when your
body goes sour. Unless you kill yourself or get killed somehow.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Nonsense.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
The concept of "sin" is..again, nonsense.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Like religion does? LOL.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Most morals are just common sense. And with religion, what's the point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Again with the nonsense.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Neither will religion, unless you're insane.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
Religion fails. The story of Christ is nonsensical at best, and probably
just recycled and amplified older myths puked into a new "special" form.
I'd rather be sane, thanks anyway..
BDK
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Jan 2005 10:22:18 PM |
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In our last episode
<1105497413.892672.160100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, K.C. lept out of
the bushes shouting:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul. Atheism will not give you a
reason for life. Atheism will not explain a reason for death. Atheism will
not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity. Atheism will not give you
forgiveness for your sins, not even sins against atheism.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race. Atheism will
not promote morals, for without religion...what's the point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your future.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give you
self-control.
So what?
You don't appear to know what you're talking about.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
15 Jan 2005 09:48:40 AM |
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K.C. wrote:
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Not since they nailed him to a cross, anyway.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:04:28 AM |
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K.C. wrote:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
First prove that there is a soul.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Life needs no reason to be. It just is.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Death is the end of life. No problem there.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Prove there is an eternity first. Then we can discuss a reward.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
What is sin? Other then a religious construct that is.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Wrong, humans love humans because they want to, not because of religious
dogma.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Morals come from society, which is why you hate Muslims, and they hate you.
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Your right here, since atheists don't pray.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Hurts and wounds are what doctors are for. And you are wrong on the
last one.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
Atheism does not attempt to succeed at anything, it just is. Kind of
like life. You are born an atheist, and unless you receive religious
indoctrination, you remain an atheist.
And prove that this Jesus fellow was a real person first. Then we can
talk about is "Plan".
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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12 Jan 2005 03:18:15 PM |
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K.C. wrote:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of
attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He
has
for you.
I know from personal experience that Christianity fails on all these
accounts.
Perhaps you should stop selfishly looking for a reward.
--Billy
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: atheism failures |
12 Jan 2005 01:18:07 AM |
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On 11 Jan 2005 18:36:53 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> drained
his beer, leaned back in the alt.atheism beanbag and drunkenly
proclaimed the following
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
No, i find that through accomplishment.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
"Living to see what tomorrow brings" is enough reason for me.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Entropy. Gets us all in the end.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Gah, eternity would be boring. When I die, I'm gone. This disturbs
me, I admit, but I'm not going to embrace a myth to feel better about
it. That's what children do.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
"Sins" don't exist.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
No, I do that myself.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Living well with your neighbors, for one thing. There is one rule
found in every ethical system: Treat others as you would be treated.
I live by that one rule. Works wonders.
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
No, but a strong will fills the gap nicely. I've beaten cancer,
little man. Not because some magic words were sent out, but because I
had access to excellent doctors and treatment, and the will to live
instilled in me by my service in the Army. During my treatment, I saw
people with less servere cancers wither and die, praying all the
while, because they couldn't handle the rigors of treatment.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
No, but having friends and loved ones will take care of the first,
doctors and a time will deal with the second, and self-control is
taught by parents, if they are any good at it.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
Sorry, I'm with MetLife.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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12 Jan 2005 07:22:06 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2005 18:36:53 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Substitute "lack of belief in Odin One-Eye" for "atheism" in all of
the above and the meaning doesn't change.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Neither has Odin.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
Why would you want anyone else to become as stupid as you are? You
lack company?
S
--
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is
a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the
crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due
to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious
indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility
corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of
nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, from article by
Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "raven1" |
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11 Jan 2005 10:54:06 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2005 18:36:53 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Given that atheism, being the absence of theism, is not intended to do
any such thing, that's hardly surprising. WTF is your point?
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| User: "JPG" |
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12 Jan 2005 03:35:49 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2005 18:36:53 -0800, "K.C." <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
theism will not give you peace
theism will not give you a reason for life.
theism will not explain a reason for death.
theism will not give you a reward
theism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
theism will not promote morals
theism fails.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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11 Jan 2005 11:44:43 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2005, K.C. dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
There is no soul. You'll have to find peace for yourself.
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
On the contrary, it makes life much more precious.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
There is no reason for death, other than the fact that it is the end of
life.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
Atheists understand that life is not eternal.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins, not even sins
against atheism.
Atheists know the word "sin" exists only in the minds of the religious.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
Read your own prose and ask yourself what love you are promoting with
this post.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
The point eludes you, that's for sure. Your idea of morality is to seek
substitutionary forgiveness instead of the forgiveness of those you have
wronged. And without your book o' morals, you'd probably be out there
fucking up society for your own gain, rather than attempting to convert a
few atheists to gain points with your imaginary friends.
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
Atheists have nobody to pray to, so we must rely upon ourselves to mold
our futures. Imagine that. I know, it hurts, but you have to use it
sometims.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts, heal your wounds, or give
you self-control.
Once again, an athiest must seek comfort in his own doings, and find
healing and self-control within the realm of reality - something the
theist is quite confused by. Poor baby.
Atheism fails. Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
Assuming there actually was a man named Christ, he has not been seen or
heard from for the last 2000+ years, contrary to many biblical scriptures
- the supposed Word - which promised he would be back within the
lifetimes of his followers. Christ didn't need to be defeated by any
man, it seems he did it himself.
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
*****, Homes.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you
wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
--George Carlin
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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25 Apr 2005 03:28:01 PM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:36:53 -0600, K.C. wrote:
Atheism will not give you peace for your soul.
Nothing will except the long and involved path to true
resolution (aka "The Long and Winding Road" route).
Atheism will not give you a reason for life.
The reason for life is the reason we give life.
Atheism will not explain a reason for death.
Neither do seventy virgins or harp-playing cherubs.
Atheism will not give you a reward to wait for in Eternity.
That doesn't make sense. Apparently religion doesn't
substitute for literacy.
Atheism will not give you forgiveness for your sins,
It also - unlike various religions - doesn't
manufacture "sin".
not even sins
against atheism.
I think your brain is broken.
Atheism will not promote love or regard for the human race.
However - unlike The Christian Crusades or The Islamic
Jihads - lack of religion doesn't so consistently murder &
pillage people simply for not agreeing.
Atheism will not promote morals, for without religion...what's the
point?
Decency. Higher evolved humans need neither the punishment
of religion or the threat of religion to behave in a
decent, moral manner.
If you would like to see the very opposite of decency and
morality, I suggest you tack a look at the so-called "old"
testament or the writings of Paul the Perv.
Atheism will not give you answered prayer, hope, or faith in your
future.
So true. So, if your sugar-daddy god isn't going to give
you just simply /everything/, ya best get (or "git" - as
the case may be) off your lazy ***** and get to work.
Atheism will not comfort you in your hurts,
You betcha! So it's good to be decent & nice to each other
because each other is all we've got.
heal your wounds,
Christian Science has a lousy track record & all sorts of
people dying at earlier ages than those - such as the
non-religious - who go to doctors, nurse-practitioners,
medics, corpsmen and the friendly pharmacist at your local
drug store who will give you a card, if you're over some
age, which will reduce the amount of graft'n'corruption in
the pill industry.
or give you self-control.
One Drill Sergeant trumps 23 gods, godesses and/or
godettes.
Atheism fails.
Fails what? Actually, atheism seems - to me - to be pretty
boring. It appears that the only reason that it is
brought up - or even exists - is that religious wacko's
keep bothering real people.
Pretty generally, the more loudly religious someone is, the
bigger the ***** that person is also.
It appears that these misfits and maladroits can't get a
life so they bother other folks with their - as Cary
claims he has never said - vision of a pi in the ski, by &
by. (Illustration of skywriter tracing out 3.14159etc).
Christ hasn't been defeated in 2000 years of attempts.
The side that has been on the side of the ONE, TRUE GOD has
had victory over the other side which had the ONE, TRUE GOD
on their side for several thousands of years.
During WW2, the ReichFuhrer may have invoked "God" more
times than the American President invoked "God".
An "interesting" statistic which, if nothing else, provides
amusement, is that googling, I find:
+roosevelt +god = 1,040,000 hits
+hitler +god = 1,910,000 hits
Trust the Lord to give you redemption and the Providential Plan He has
for you.
GEICO is 15% less and provides prompter service. Also, for
$2 a month, one can get road service.
K.C.
http://www.providential-plan.com
Gray (not affiliated with any insurance
company except as a customer)
http://www.geico.com/
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