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"Icarus" |
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21 Dec 2003 11:15:03 AM |
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"Atheism is a religion" |
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
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| User: "RRoman Piso" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
22 Dec 2003 07:57:40 PM |
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"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message news:<bs4m60$9mind$1@ID-165613.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Hello Icarus, there are several different 'kinds' or types of
atheists. I do agree with some that there ARE some atheists that ARE
technically "religious."
Those atheists who style themselves experts in ancient history, for
example, but who insist upon reading non-biblical texts in the SAME
way that the Christians read the Gospels; are, doing so entirely upon
FAITH that the author/writer of those texts were being honest and
truthful. They put their 'trust' into those texts and the author who
wrote them. How can they be anything but religious when they do the
exact same thing? They do this though, without realizing it.
There are other kinds of atheists as well. Such as the kind that we
call the "temporary atheist." These are people who really are not
atheists, but who take a kind of 'time out' from their religion to
explore atheism. This may be done by them on a subconscious level or
deliberately with the full knowledge of the individual. The purpose of
this is to be able to 'report' back on what the individual has found
out about atheism. The person does this not because they desire to
know the truth, but because they really want to criticize what they
never do actually understand.
The fact of the matter is that we are ALL born atheists. That is our
natural state of being. It is only once we are born and grow up into a
particular culture that we learn things about that culture, such as a
belief in a God.
Cheers!
Roman
http://forums.delphiforums.com/romanpiso
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23 Dec 2003 07:57:13 PM |
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On 22 Dec 2003 17:57:40 -0800, (RRoman Piso)
wrote:
"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message news:<bs4m60$9mind$1@ID-165613.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Hello Icarus, there are several different 'kinds' or types of
atheists. I do agree with some that there ARE some atheists that ARE
technically "religious."
There are atheists who are religious, true. It is NOT true that
"atheism is a religion." Just like "there are fat people who are
religious. But being fat is NOT a religion."
---
Mike atheism: a non-prophet
organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way
when you do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their
shoes.
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| User: "Shuggy" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
21 Dec 2003 07:13:35 PM |
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"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message news:<bs4m60$9mind$1@ID-165613.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Ignorant is another, slightly less polite term than "blissfully
unaware" for these people. If they weren't ignorant, they wouldn't
profess to be able to define something they clearly do not understand.
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| User: "methodios" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
21 Dec 2003 01:51:06 PM |
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Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
methodios
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
21 Dec 2003 04:33:16 PM |
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"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "RCMan" |
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22 Dec 2003 08:51:40 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
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RC
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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23 Dec 2003 04:48:05 PM |
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"RCMan" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard
and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All
that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance?
We're not waiting, but if evidence is provided we will examine it.
If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
The same amount of hard unambiguous evidence that establishes the existence
of the chair I'm sitting in.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "dummie" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
23 Dec 2003 08:49:45 PM |
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(RCMan) wrote in message news:<3776526f.0312221851.6f62c3aa@posting.google.com>...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
Don't be a fucking idiot. If you can point to one phenomenon that
people can attribute to God's presence, show us. But you can't. Its a
bunch of flailing fucks that believe it for no better purpose than
someone said they oughta.
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RC
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BAAWA Knight!
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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23 Dec 2003 03:35:12 PM |
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(RCMan) wrote in message news:<3776526f.0312221851.6f62c3aa@posting.google.com>...
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of
being shown evidence for God's existance?
If so, what sort of proof would convince
him(her) of God's existance?
1. Ask your gods -- aren't they omniscient?
2. It's not up to us to help you prove your claims -- it's up to you
to provide your own backup.
3. Why don't you just give us a list of the available options, and
we'll pick the one we like best?
4. Any sort of actual evidence that gods exist (outside the
imagination) will do just fine. Got any? Any at all?
Hec
http://hectorplasmic.com
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| User: "Desertphile" |
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23 Dec 2003 03:49:17 PM |
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On 23 Dec 2003 13:35:12 -0800, (Hector Plasmic)
wrote:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message news:<3776526f.0312221851.6f62c3aa@posting.google.com>...
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of
being shown evidence for God's existance?
If so, what sort of proof would convince
him(her) of God's existance?
Do people "wait" for evidence that flying reindeer exist?
1. Ask your gods -- aren't they omniscient?
Some are; some aren't.
2. It's not up to us to help you prove your claims -- it's up to you
to provide your own backup.
Surely if the gods *WANT* people to know they exist, the gods would
find a way to *SHOW* they exist.
3. Why don't you just give us a list of the available options, and
we'll pick the one we like best?
Better yet, have him produce *ALL* the available evidence, and let
others examine it. Funny how theists refuse to do this.
4. Any sort of actual evidence that gods exist (outside the
imagination) will do just fine. Got any? Any at all?
Queue the crickets!
Hec
http://hectorplasmic.com
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http://desertphile.org
The I.C.R. Cult Exposed: http://holysmoke.org/icr-cult.htm
"Scientology: the 'science' of making money." http://holysmoke.org/theta.htm
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| User: "RoyBoy" |
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23 Dec 2003 11:02:29 PM |
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"Desertphile" <desertphile@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
On 23 Dec 2003 13:35:12 -0800,
(Hector Plasmic) wrote:
rcman777@excite.com (RCMan) wrote in message
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of
being shown evidence for God's existance?
If so, what sort of proof would convince
him(her) of God's existance?
Do people "wait" for evidence that flying reindeer exist?
1. Ask your gods -- aren't they omniscient?
Some are; some aren't.
Well They would know.
2. It's not up to us to help you prove your claims -- it's up to you
to provide your own backup.
Surely if the gods *WANT* people to know they exist,
the gods would find a way to *SHOW* they exist.
Ohhh but they do! In crying Virgin's, cow statues that drink
milk, and the domination of the U.S. of A... wait a sec...
some God's are slacking off then. Nevermind.
3. Why don't you just give us a list of the available options, and
we'll pick the one we like best?
Better yet, have him produce *ALL* the available evidence, and let
others examine it. Funny how theists refuse to do this.
Oh but they don't refuse... its on its way, next time.
4. Any sort of actual evidence that gods exist (outside the
imagination) will do just fine. Got any? Any at all?
Queue the crickets!
Queue the double talk!
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| User: "Newton Joseph" |
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03 Jan 2004 12:51:56 AM |
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IS THIS TOO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
By Newton Joseph
Of all the Gods once believed in by our ancestors, none exist today. There
are no more temples dedicated to the god Zeus, no more temples dedicated to
the god Mithra no more temples built to honor Asclepius, the god of health
and healing no more temples to honor Apollo the sun god or the thousands of
other gods once believed by the masses. All have been killed off by science
and old age.
It seems, however, there are two gods that will not stay dead.
They are Jesus and Jehovah--new temples are being built every day dedicated
to these two gods.
If all the old gods are known to be mythical, what are the
chances that Jesus and Jehovah are not?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Dec 2003 07:22:22 PM |
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On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) posted in
alt.atheism:
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance?
Are you waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for the
Easter Bunny's existence?
If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of God's existance?
Objective evidence. ANY objective evidence - but it must be a)
objective and b) evidentiary.
(Please learn what both words mean before posting nonsense like "love
is proof of my god". [Love is neither objective nor evidentiary.])
--
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your
Christ."
- Mohandas Gandhi
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "" |
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23 Dec 2003 07:38:32 PM |
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On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance?
Waiting? No. Not any more than I'm waiting on the evidence for
unicorns or Santa Claus.
Note that that does not mean that I won't take a look at any evidence
that might be presented. But i'm not sitting around waiting on it.
If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
Anything that shows he exists, of course. FIRST you have to
definitively define god before we can get any more specific. What
evidence would convince you that aythnerlas exists?
---
Mike atheism: a non-prophet
organization...
Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way
when you do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their
shoes.
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| User: "stoney" |
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25 Dec 2003 08:02:28 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:38:32 -0500, prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com, Message
ID: <u2rhuv4a6lt08k10u52biggruv5ekl351t@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance?
Waiting? No. Not any more than I'm waiting on the evidence for
unicorns or Santa Claus.
Note that that does not mean that I won't take a look at any evidence
that might be presented. But i'm not sitting around waiting on it.
If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
Anything that shows he exists, of course. FIRST you have to
definitively define god before we can get any more specific. What
evidence would convince you that aythnerlas exists?
*WHISTLE!* Aythnerlas! (stomp stomp) Whew....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "robpar" |
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23 Dec 2003 03:20:52 PM |
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On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
1/10,000 of the proof of evolution would suffice. Any thing but the threats of
eternal suffering for not believing would be a step in the right direction.
If all christians were to disappear, it would be proof of god, and that he got
***** at the idiots.
Accepting god and Jesus would make me just like a christian, and I am too
moral to live such a life.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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23 Dec 2003 04:51:02 PM |
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"robpar" <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote in message
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On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard
and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All
that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
1/10,000 of the proof of evolution would suffice. Any thing but the
threats of
eternal suffering for not believing would be a step in the right
direction.
If all christians were to disappear, it would be proof of god, and that
he got
***** at the idiots.
Accepting god and Jesus would make me just like a christian, and I am
too
moral to live such a life.
Indeed. Christians are people who think their salvation is worth the torture
and death of an innocent person.
They're dispicable.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "RCMan" |
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23 Dec 2003 08:30:18 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<qF3Gb.82687$HH.5046@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
"robpar" <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote in message
news:3febb078.12431344@news.airmail.net...
On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard
and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All
that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
1/10,000 of the proof of evolution would suffice. Any thing but the
threats of
eternal suffering for not believing would be a step in the right
direction.
If all christians were to disappear, it would be proof of god, and that
he got
***** at the idiots.
Accepting god and Jesus would make me just like a christian, and I am
too
moral to live such a life.
Indeed. Christians are people who think their salvation is worth the torture
and death of an innocent person.
Yes, you have hit on one of the central mysterious paradoxes of the
faith. Of course, it's made all the more mysterious by the fact that
the 'innocent person' himself was WILLING to die for their salvation.
They're dispicable.
Actually, at worst they are sinners in the process of being saved.
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RC
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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24 Dec 2003 02:38:20 AM |
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"RCMan" <> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<qF3Gb.82687$HH.5046@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
"robpar" <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote in message
news:3febb078.12431344@news.airmail.net...
On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism
by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious
regard
and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard
and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist.
All
that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her)
of
God's existance?
1/10,000 of the proof of evolution would suffice. Any thing but the
threats of
eternal suffering for not believing would be a step in the right
direction.
If all christians were to disappear, it would be proof of god, and
that
he got
***** at the idiots.
Accepting god and Jesus would make me just like a christian, and I
am
too
moral to live such a life.
Indeed. Christians are people who think their salvation is worth the
torture
and death of an innocent person.
Yes, you have hit on one of the central mysterious paradoxes of the
faith.
It's not a paradox. It's simply amorality on parade.
Of course, it's made all the more mysterious by the fact that
the 'innocent person' himself was WILLING to die for their salvation.
Oh, so it's ok if an innocent person is tortured and killed for your benefit
as long as he's willing to be tortured and killed.
You're a frickin' monster.
They're dispicable.
Actually, at worst they are sinners in the process of being saved.
Saved from what? Hell? And who would send them there? Why, that would be the
righteous judgment of the god that would send them there.
So the Jesus character is there to save you from the righteous judgment of
the god character. What a bizarre pantheon you have.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "RCMan" |
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24 Dec 2003 09:21:28 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<0gcGb.85651$HH.68160@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
"RCMan" < > wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"robpar" <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote in message
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On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
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Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism
by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious
regard
and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard
and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist.
All
that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her)
of
God's existance?
1/10,000 of the proof of evolution would suffice. Any thing but the
threats of
eternal suffering for not believing would be a step in the right
direction.
If all christians were to disappear, it would be proof of god, and
that
he got
***** at the idiots.
Accepting god and Jesus would make me just like a christian, and I
am
too
moral to live such a life.
Indeed. Christians are people who think their salvation is worth the
torture
and death of an innocent person.
Yes, you have hit on one of the central mysterious paradoxes of the
faith.
It's not a paradox. It's simply amorality on parade.
It is a paradox made more mysterious by the fact that each of us, you
and me, are free to believe or not, as we will.
Of course, it's made all the more mysterious by the fact that
the 'innocent person' himself was WILLING to die for their salvation.
Oh, so it's ok if an innocent person is tortured and killed for your benefit
as long as he's willing to be tortured and killed.
Only if he's the Son of God.
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RC
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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24 Dec 2003 10:40:00 AM |
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"RCMan" <> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"RCMan" < > wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"robpar" <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote in message
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On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious
are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate
atheism
by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of
religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious
regard
and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of
regard
and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist
in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an
atheist.
All
that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence
for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince
him(her)
of
God's existance?
1/10,000 of the proof of evolution would suffice. Any thing but
the
threats of
eternal suffering for not believing would be a step in the right
direction.
If all christians were to disappear, it would be proof of god,
and
that
he got
***** at the idiots.
Accepting god and Jesus would make me just like a christian,
and I
am
too
moral to live such a life.
Indeed. Christians are people who think their salvation is worth the
torture
and death of an innocent person.
Yes, you have hit on one of the central mysterious paradoxes of the
faith.
It's not a paradox. It's simply amorality on parade.
It is a paradox made more mysterious by the fact that each of us, you
and me, are free to believe or not, as we will.
So you do not deny you are amoral. Noted.
Of course, it's made all the more mysterious by the fact that
the 'innocent person' himself was WILLING to die for their salvation.
Oh, so it's ok if an innocent person is tortured and killed for your
benefit
as long as he's willing to be tortured and killed.
Only if he's the Son of God.
Naw, it's too late to claim morality, even the relative morality you're
trying for.
You're filth.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "robpar" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
24 Dec 2003 02:32:33 PM |
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On 24 Dec 2003 07:21:28 -0800, (RCMan)
wrote:
Oh, so it's ok if an innocent person is tortured and killed for your benefit
as long as he's willing to be tortured and killed.
Only if he's the Son of God.
Prove a god to exist, prove that he had a son.
Then prove the sorry ***** wanted his son tortured and
killed. And I still will not worship the S.O.B.
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| User: "robpar" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
24 Dec 2003 09:52:15 AM |
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On 23 Dec 2003 18:30:18 -0800, (RCMan)
wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:<qF3Gb.82687$HH.5046@fe1.texas.rr.com>...
"robpar" <robpar@deleteairmail.net> wrote in message
news:3febb078.12431344@news.airmail.net...
On 22 Dec 2003 18:51:40 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:<McpFb.244708$do1.89890@twister.austin.rr.com>...
"methodios" <dgillesp@pemtel.net> wrote in message
news:3FE5F9A9.92F08FA2@pemtel.net...
Icarus wrote:
Whenever I see this claim, it amuses me that the religious are
blissfully unaware of the irony in seeking to denigrate atheism by
equating it to religion.
Which, of course, depends on what one's definition of religion.
No. 4 in Webster's New World is "any object of conscientious regard
and
pursuit." Atheism surely is based on some some object of regard and
pursuit, usually scientism or rationalism. It doesn't exist in a
vacuum, or does it?
Neither scientism nor rationalism are required to be an atheist. All
that's
required is a lack of belief in gods.
There, that was easy!
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
1/10,000 of the proof of evolution would suffice. Any thing but the
threats of
eternal suffering for not believing would be a step in the right
direction.
If all christians were to disappear, it would be proof of god, and that
he got
***** at the idiots.
Accepting god and Jesus would make me just like a christian, and I am
too
moral to live such a life.
Indeed. Christians are people who think their salvation is worth the torture
and death of an innocent person.
Yes, you have hit on one of the central mysterious paradoxes of the
faith. Of course, it's made all the more mysterious by the fact that
the 'innocent person' himself was WILLING to die for their salvation.
Since there is no proof that such a person ever actually
existed, the story is in realty no more than a myth, Told by
men in the process of creating a religious scam.
They're dispicable.
Actually, at worst they are sinners in the process of being saved.
At best they are a bunch of willing victims being scammed
by a few con artist.
A very few of which actually do some good.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
24 Dec 2003 01:35:53 AM |
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On 23 Dec 2003 18:30:18 -0800, (RCMan) wrote:
Indeed. Christians are people who think their salvation is worth the torture
and death of an innocent person.
Yes, you have hit on one of the central mysterious paradoxes of the
faith.
Like someone committing suicide for a few hours to atone for the
stupidity he committed earlier?
Of course, it's made all the more mysterious by the fact that
the 'innocent person' himself was WILLING to die for their salvation.
Actually, this jesus didn't suffer a lot. Countless people have
suffered far worse deaths by his followers.
Do tell me: if your god is immortal, how can he die? Since he fucked
up to begin with, why would that minor inconvenience atone for his
mistake at all?
They're dispicable.
Actually, at worst they are sinners in the process of being saved.
Exactly. Long live the inquisition!
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| User: "Icarus" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
23 Dec 2003 04:27:07 AM |
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RCMan wrote:
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown
evidence for God's existance? If so, what sort of proof
would convince him(her) of God's existance?
What a silly question. Don't you think an omnipotent, omniscient
god, the creator of the universe and us, would know exactly how
to convince us of his existence?
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| User: "Charles & Mambo" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
22 Dec 2003 10:41:06 PM |
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RCMan wrote:
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
Is a Christian waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
Zeus' (Rah's, Odin's, Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence? If
so, what sort of proof would convince him or her of Zeus' (Rah's, Odin's,
Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence?
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| User: "RCMan" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
23 Dec 2003 06:42:50 AM |
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Charles & Mambo <Duckman@gfy.self> wrote in message news:<3FE7C75F.50202@gfy.self>...
RCMan wrote:
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
Is a Christian waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
Zeus' (Rah's, Odin's, Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence? If
so, what sort of proof would convince him or her of Zeus' (Rah's, Odin's,
Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence?
No, because a Christian knows that such things do not exist.
Are you saying that atheists "know" that God does not exist?
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RC
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
23 Dec 2003 12:30:50 PM |
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"RCMan" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
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Charles & Mambo <Duckman@gfy.self> wrote in message
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RCMan wrote:
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
Is a Christian waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
Zeus' (Rah's, Odin's, Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence?
If
so, what sort of proof would convince him or her of Zeus' (Rah's,
Odin's,
Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence?
No, because a Christian knows that such things do not exist.
You're beginning to see the point.
Are you saying that atheists "know" that God does not exist?
We know that there isn't a shred of real, objective evidence that *any* gods
exist, yours included.
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RC
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| User: "RCMan" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
23 Dec 2003 05:19:02 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message news:<uR%Fb.14182$T2.894@fe1.columbus.rr.com>...
"RCMan" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
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Charles & Mambo <Duckman@gfy.self> wrote in message
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RCMan wrote:
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince him(her) of
God's existance?
Is a Christian waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence for
Zeus' (Rah's, Odin's, Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence?
If
so, what sort of proof would convince him or her of Zeus' (Rah's,
Odin's,
Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence?
No, because a Christian knows that such things do not exist.
You're beginning to see the point.
Yes, but you don't.
Are you saying that atheists "know" that God does not exist?
We know that there isn't a shred of real, objective evidence that *any* gods
exist, yours included.
What gives you this mystical insight?
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RC
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: "Atheism is a religion" |
25 Dec 2003 11:46:44 AM |
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"RCMan" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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"RCMan" <rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
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Charles & Mambo <Duckman@gfy.self> wrote in message
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RCMan wrote:
Is an atheist waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence
for
God's existance? If so, what sort of proof would convince
him(her) of
God's existance?
Is a Christian waiting in the expectation of being shown evidence
for
Zeus' (Rah's, Odin's, Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.)
existence?
If
so, what sort of proof would convince him or her of Zeus' (Rah's,
Odin's,
Allah's, Santa Claus', vampires' etc.) existence?
No, because a Christian knows that such things do not exist.
You're beginning to see the point.
Yes, but you don't.
The point is, Sparky, that there's exactly the same amount of evidence for
your god as there is for Ra, Odin, Zeus, Cernunnos or the Easter fucking
Bunny. That is, precisely *****. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Therefore, how can you
"know" this god exists? What are you basing that "knowledge" on? It
certainly isn't based on hard facts, now, is it?
Are you saying that atheists "know" that God does not exist?
We know that there isn't a shred of real, objective evidence that *any*
gods
exist, yours included.
What gives you this mystical insight?
*Objective* evidence is real-world stuff, Sparky. Nothing mystical about it.
Claims are either supported by evidence or they're not. So far, no theist
has succeeded in presenting even the most minute shred of empirical data to
support claims of the existence of their sky pixie. Not once in 2,000 years.
Something tells me you won't be the first. You're welcome to try, but you'll
have to forgive me if I don't hold my breath.
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RC
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