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"words of truth" |
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26 Sep 2005 07:29:29 AM |
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Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
http://imagoveritatis.myatts.net/comments.php?id=24_0_1_0_C
Don't Believe It
I ran into a blog that claims to be based on "reason" alone and it
turned out to be, predictably, run by an Objectivist (with a capital
"O" that means a disciple of Ayn Rand). Objectivism is a form of
atheism, though they tend to focus much more on the positive aspects of
their system rather than getting hung up on the God thing, unlike the
folks over at infidels.org. Anyway, that prompted to me to pull off the
shelf one of the many books that I have bought and put away for future
reading, (whenever that is - heh, heh) and before I knew it I was well
into it. The book is John Robbins' Without A Prayer: Ayn Rand and the
Close of Her System, available here.
Well, the book is a masterpiece, and though I don't follow every detail
of Gordon Clark's philosophy which figures heavily in Robbins'
argument, by the end of the chapter on epistemology he has reduced
Rand's system to a pile of rubble that is hopelessly beyond salvaging.
In fact, one cannot but conclude, after reading this analysis, that
Rand's system, rather than being founded upon reason, is profoundly
irrational. It surely requires a blind leap of faith to grasp. I won't
repeat the arguments here; the reader is encouraged to get the book and
see.
So, in that vein, I have been scrounging around the web to see what
else there is in the blogosphere (hey I'm getting into this new lingo!)
when I came across this piece from Tertius, who complains about
atheists who pretend that they do not have a world view, but rather
that they simply lack a belief in God. He calls this atheism lite -
well put I think - because it IS a cop out, as he shows. I have run
across this kind of thing, of course and after analyzing atheism I came
up with at least four positive philosophical assertions that
necessariliy follow from the denial of the existence of God, which are
discussed on page 10 of my conversations with atheists and which I will
quote here:
So when the atheist denies or says he does not believe in a God, he is
necessarily making a number of positive world view presuppositions
about the nature of the universe. What are some of these? At least the
following:
1) The universe is self-sufficient in its existence and operations. It
is autonomous and not dependent upon another external entity, but
functions based on the laws of nature which determine its character.
2) The principles of knowledge or interpretation of the universe are
contained within and derived from the universe itself. There is no need
for a revelation or interpretation of the universe from a vantage point
outside of the universe. Since there is no outside the universe,
according to the atheist, no such revelation could exist in any case.
Therefore, the ultimate reference point for predication and
interpretation is a principle such as logic, sense perception,
intuition, all of which must exist in the universe, and which were
derived ultimately from human reason. The human mind is autonomous and
is adequate to discover truth on its own, using its own methods. All
truth claims must pass the test of human reason. There is no higher
authority.
3) Right and wrong are relative terms that describe social norms
developed by humankind to enhance its survival and pleasure. There is
no absolute right and wrong and in the end, it is the autonomous human
mind that legislates morality.
4) There is no discernible purpose to history or in the operations and
existence of the universe. The universe is the ultimate reality and it
is impersonal and unconcerned about us or our fate. It is simply there
and appears to be what it is largely as a result of chance. The human
future is undetermined, since there is no divine plan governing it. The
meaning of life is what we make of it based on the decisions of our
autonomous wills, and there is no final meaning in the end.
Each of these four notions corresponds to an interpretation of the four
areas that define a world view: ontology (the nature of reality or
being), epistemology (the theory of how we have and justify knowledge),
ethics (the theory of the ultimate good and of moral action), and
teleology (the theory of the purpose of it all). Thus, we see that the
denial of belief in God necessarily implies a basic set of world view
assumptions (axioms or presuppositions) that form a positive
interpretation of the state of affairs.
So the atheist really has no excuse and nowhere to hide. The assertion
that atheism is just a denial is merely a smokescreen to avoid having
to mount a defense of his position. But that emperor is stark naked.
The atheist who wants any intellectual respect is both philosophically
and morally obligated to defend his beliefs as a system, and that means
defending the above assertions. And that puts his whole system up for
discussion. Once we open that door then it is only a matter of time
before the inherent irrationality of atheism reveals itself and the
atheist has to look squarely in the face that fact that his whole
system is built on a leap of faith, and a blind one at that.
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
01 Nov 2005 09:30:37 AM |
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nevermore wrote:
On 31 Oct 2005 09:05:56 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
Perhaps so, but I note the irony of there fact that there is no name
associated with believing there is no cake... the point here, in
case you missed it, is that people who believe there is no god have a
sort of cult of like minded people.... It is just as much a belief
with no facts to back it up, as any religion.
This idiocy gets tiring some times. The "fact" is, no objective,
verifiable evidence of any deities has ever been offered.
...that's fine.... and no evidence to the contrary has been offered
either....
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
so, if your atheism was really just a total lack of
beliefs, we wouldn't hear a peep out of you....
The default position when there is no objective, verifiable evidence of
something is to withhold belief regarding that thing, which is exactly
what an
atheist does; withhold belief. Atheism=without theism. That's all.
But feel free to continue to insist that withholding belief in
something is the same as believing something.
but in reality, you atheists have built a built around your
belief
What "belief"? The faith-based "lack of evidence" belief system?
Disbelief isn't belief. Why is that so difficult for you to
understand?
where you go around arguing with people who have contrary beliefs....
Only when they insist we accept their beliefs, which of course happens
all the time. Idiots wander in to alt.atheism all day every day,
insisting we believe something we keep explaining we don't, often times
threatening some vindictive punishment like "eternal damnation" if we
don't, and getting ***** when we point out their error. Kind of
like you're doing. Revel in your dishonesty.
<LOL> I find that more than just mildly amusing....
I find it amusing people can be so willfully ignorant and dishonest,
and think nobody will notice.
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| User: "RUSSELL KINNAMAN" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
02 Nov 2005 11:21:10 AM |
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I would say that the Christian god being self contradictory is only a
good reason to not put faith in its being there for any individual with
certainty. The fact that is was contradictory only allows for the for
the conflicts that exist.
The individual is the result of the conflicting ideas of that god. A
take on buddhism for you.
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
02 Nov 2005 12:22:17 PM |
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RUSSELL KINNAMAN wrote:
I would say that the Christian god being self contradictory is only a
good reason to not put faith in its being there for any individual with
certainty. The fact that is was contradictory only allows for the for
the conflicts that exist.
The individual is the result of the conflicting ideas of that god. A
take on buddhism for you.
What are you trying to say, and who are you saying it to?
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| User: "nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
01 Nov 2005 02:20:58 PM |
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On 1 Nov 2005 07:30:37 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On 31 Oct 2005 09:05:56 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
Perhaps so, but I note the irony of there fact that there is no name
associated with believing there is no cake... the point here, in
case you missed it, is that people who believe there is no god have a
sort of cult of like minded people.... It is just as much a belief
with no facts to back it up, as any religion.
This idiocy gets tiring some times. The "fact" is, no objective,
verifiable evidence of any deities has ever been offered.
...that's fine.... and no evidence to the contrary has been offered
either....
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
so, if your atheism was really just a total lack of
beliefs, we wouldn't hear a peep out of you....
The default position when there is no objective, verifiable evidence of
something is to withhold belief regarding that thing, which is exactly
what an
atheist does; withhold belief. Atheism=without theism. That's all.
But feel free to continue to insist that withholding belief in
something is the same as believing something.
but in reality, you atheists have built a built around your
belief
What "belief"? The faith-based "lack of evidence" belief system?
Disbelief isn't belief. Why is that so difficult for you to
understand?
where you go around arguing with people who have contrary beliefs....
Only when they insist we accept their beliefs, which of course happens
all the time. Idiots wander in to alt.atheism all day every day,
insisting we believe something we keep explaining we don't, often times
threatening some vindictive punishment like "eternal damnation" if we
don't, and getting ***** when we point out their error. Kind of
like you're doing. Revel in your dishonesty.
<LOL> I find that more than just mildly amusing....
I find it amusing people can be so willfully ignorant and dishonest,
and think nobody will notice.
--
Steve
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
03 Nov 2005 06:12:46 AM |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
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| User: "nevermore" |
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03 Nov 2005 08:51:04 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradictory...
--
Steve
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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03 Nov 2005 10:04:33 AM |
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nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradictory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god." Nobody is under any obligation to accept any
self-contradictory claims made about any god.
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| User: "nevermore" |
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03 Nov 2005 11:57:09 AM |
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On 3 Nov 2005 08:04:33 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradictory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god."
....and any idiot can jump and down and express his belief that
something is non-existant, as you're doing here...
<LOL> ...say, I though you said you had no beliefs about God...
Nobody is under any obligation to accept any
self-contradictory claims made about any god.
Of course not.
--
Steve
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| User: "RainLover" |
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04 Nov 2005 08:33:48 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:57:09 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 08:04:33 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradictory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god."
...and any idiot can jump and down and express his belief that
something is non-existant, as you're doing here...
<LOL> ...say, I though you said you had no beliefs about God...
There are Millions of pieces of FICTION in the world... visit a
library if you don't believe me. There are books about Child-wizards,
and Magic Chocolate and Animals that talk and Singing Starfish.
All of these things are FICTION.
Gods are FICTION. If you believe in any of the gods, why not believe
in Singing Starfish?
Show us a REASON to place your god.. or any particular gods above the
'reality' of Harry Potter? Just *ONE* reason....
James, Seattle
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| User: "nevermore" |
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04 Nov 2005 06:32:32 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:33:48 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:57:09 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 08:04:33 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradictory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god."
...and any idiot can jump and down and express his belief that
something is non-existant, as you're doing here...
<LOL> ...say, I though you said you had no beliefs about God...
There are Millions of pieces of FICTION in the world... visit a
library if you don't believe me. There are books about Child-wizards,
and Magic Chocolate and Animals that talk and Singing Starfish.
All of these things are FICTION.
Gods are FICTION. If you believe in any of the gods, why not believe
in Singing Starfish?
<LOL> So you do have beliefs about God, don't you?
Show us a REASON to place your god.. or any particular gods above the
'reality' of Harry Potter? Just *ONE* reason....
James, Seattle
--
Steve
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| User: "Del" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
04 Nov 2005 09:40:22 PM |
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nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:33:48 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:57:09 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 08:04:33 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <steven canyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradictory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god."
...and any idiot can jump and down and express his belief that
something is non-existant, as you're doing here...
<LOL> ...say, I though you said you had no beliefs about God...
There are Millions of pieces of FICTION in the world... visit a
library if you don't believe me. There are books about Child-wizards,
and Magic Chocolate and Animals that talk and Singing Starfish.
All of these things are FICTION.
Gods are FICTION. If you believe in any of the gods, why not believe
in Singing Starfish?
<LOL> So you do have beliefs about God, don't you?
<LOL> So you can't come up with even one reason why
you believe in a god, huh? Obviously it is easier for you
to attack bird brains like Barwell than it is to defend your
irrational beliefs. And as you admit, you stick pretty close
to whatever is least difficult for you. Hey, a man's got to
know his limitations and you seem more aware of yours
than most.
Show us a REASON to place your god.. or any particular gods above the
'reality' of Harry Potter? Just *ONE* reason....
Not even one, huh? LOL! ?
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| User: "nevermore" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
05 Nov 2005 06:21:42 AM |
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On 4 Nov 2005 19:40:22 -0800, "Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:33:48 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:57:09 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 08:04:33 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <steven canyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradictory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god."
...and any idiot can jump and down and express his belief that
something is non-existant, as you're doing here...
<LOL> ...say, I though you said you had no beliefs about God...
There are Millions of pieces of FICTION in the world... visit a
library if you don't believe me. There are books about Child-wizards,
and Magic Chocolate and Animals that talk and Singing Starfish.
All of these things are FICTION.
Gods are FICTION. If you believe in any of the gods, why not believe
in Singing Starfish?
<LOL> So you do have beliefs about God, don't you?
<LOL> So you can't come up with even one reason why
you believe in a god, huh?
probably because I don't.....
Obviously it is easier for you
to attack bird brains like Barwell than it is to defend your
irrational beliefs. And as you admit, you stick pretty close
to whatever is least difficult for you. Hey, a man's got to
know his limitations and you seem more aware of yours
than most.
Show us a REASON to place your god..
My god?????
or any particular gods above the
'reality' of Harry Potter? Just *ONE* reason....
Not even one, huh? LOL! ?
The only god I come close to worshipping is the god of the coffee pot,
which I have faith will be waiting for me when I wake up if I have
properly offered my evening gifts of grounds and water the night
before.
--
Steve
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism Is Built On A Leap Of Blind Faith |
05 Nov 2005 10:55:55 AM |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 07:21:42 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On 4 Nov 2005 19:40:22 -0800, "Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:33:48 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
Obviously it is easier for you
to attack bird brains like Barwell than it is to defend your
irrational beliefs. And as you admit, you stick pretty close
to whatever is least difficult for you. Hey, a man's got to
know his limitations and you seem more aware of yours
than most.
Show us a REASON to place your god..
My god?????
or any particular gods above the
'reality' of Harry Potter? Just *ONE* reason....
Not even one, huh? LOL! ?
The only god I come close to worshipping is the god of the coffee pot,
which I have faith will be waiting for me when I wake up if I have
properly offered my evening gifts of grounds and water the night
before.
Oh, almighty COFFEE! Your beans are a true testament to your awesome
power and goodness and rich, dark, brewablity!
James, Seattle, yes-the-birthplace-of-starbucks-Seattle
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| User: "Del" |
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05 Nov 2005 03:26:48 PM |
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nevermore wrote:
On 4 Nov 2005 19:40:22 -0800, "Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:33:48 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:57:09 -05 00, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 08:04:33 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <steven canyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradic tory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god."
...and any idiot can jump and down and express his belief that
something is non-existant, as you're doing here...
<LOL> ...say, I though you said you had no beliefs about God...
There are Millions of pieces of FICTION in the world... visit a
library if you don't believe me. Ther e are books about Child-wizards,
and Magic Chocolate and Animals that talk and Singing Starfish.
All of these things are FICTION.
Gods are FICTION. If you believe in any of the gods, why not believe
in Singing Starfish?
<LOL> So you do have beliefs about God, don't you?
<LOL> So you can't come up with even one reason why
you believe in a god, huh?
probably because I don't.....
If it quacks like a duck...
Obviously it is easier for you
to attack bird brains like Barwell than it is to defend your
irrational beliefs. And as you admit, you stick pretty close
to whatever is least difficult for you. Hey, a man's got to
know his limitations and you seem more aware of yours
than most.
Show us a REASON to place your god..
My god?????
Sure. Your god. Why not? Did you think you were the
only one allowed to tell people what their position is?(????)
or any particular gods above the
'reality' of Harry Potter? Just *ONE* reason....
Not even one, huh? LOL! ?
The only god I come close to worshipping is the god of the coffee pot,
which I have faith will be waiting for me when I wake up if I have
properly offered my evening gifts of grounds and water the night
before.
Drugs are a false god. Except for LSD of course.
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On 5 Nov 2005 13:26:48 -0800, "Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On 4 Nov 2005 19:40:22 -0800, "Del" <jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:33:48 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:57:09 -05 00, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 08:04:33 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:12:46 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <steven canyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
Are you now saying that gods do not exist?
Nice try, but no, I'm asking you to explain your claim that something
that doesn't exist can also be self-contradic tory...
It's easy for things that don't exist to be self-contradictory, since
things that don't exist aren't bound by any laws of any sort. All one
has to do is make up an impossible thing; a square circle, say. The
xtian god is in exactly the same category; being non-existent, any
idiot can make up any self-contradictory description, and say "Ooo, it
must be god."
...and any idiot can jump and down and express his belief that
something is non-existant, as you're doing here...
<LOL> ...say, I though you said you had no beliefs about God...
There are Millions of pieces of FICTION in the world... visit a
library if you don't believe me. Ther e are books about Child-wizards,
and Magic Chocolate and Animals that talk and Singing Starfish.
All of these things are FICTION.
Gods are FICTION. If you believe in any of the gods, why not believe
in Singing Starfish?
<LOL> So you do have beliefs about God, don't you?
<LOL> So you can't come up with even one reason why
you believe in a god, huh?
probably because I don't.....
If it quacks like a duck...
Ask a question... get an answer... that you don't like the answer
isn't my problem.
Obviously it is easier for you
to attack bird brains like Barwell than it is to defend your
irrational beliefs. And as you admit, you stick pretty close
to whatever is least difficult for you. Hey, a man's got to
know his limitations and you seem more aware of yours
than most.
Show us a REASON to place your god..
My god?????
Sure. Your god. Why not? Did you think you were the
only one allowed to tell people what their position is?(????)
<shrug>
or any particular gods above the
'reality' of Harry Potter? Just *ONE* reason....
Not even one, huh? LOL! ?
The only god I come close to worshipping is the god of the coffee pot,
which I have faith will be waiting for me when I wake up if I have
properly offered my evening gifts of grounds and water the night
before.
Drugs are a false god. Except for LSD of course.
You can have the LSD, I'll stick to coffee.
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
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02 Nov 2005 06:00:10 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
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Steve
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03 Nov 2005 05:24:53 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a particular god,
or not?
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03 Nov 2005 06:12:48 AM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god,
or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
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03 Nov 2005 01:05:28 PM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com> wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically
self-contradictory things don't exist; unicorns can't be both
pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something
that doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said
that I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god,
or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Yes. Look up fideism. That is the stance
that god cannot be proven but that one believes
despite that.
One can be an agnostic and disbelieve or
believe in god.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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03 Nov 2005 10:17:04 AM |
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Kurt Nicklas wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god, or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
They might. They merely admit they lack absolute knowledge.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/agnostic
Main Entry: 1ag=B7nos=B7tic
Pronunciation: ag-'n=E4s-tik, &g-
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos known,
from gignOskein to know -- more at KNOW
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is
unknown and prob. unknowable
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03 Nov 2005 08:51:04 AM |
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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god,
or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Well, you see, Kurt, these loony toons are trying to claim that it's
the atheists that meet the definition that applies to an agnostic, so
in their loony logic, an agnostic must *believe* in a god. What do
you expect from the atheists loons that proclaim that they don't
believe that God doesn't exist, only that don't believe in him.
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03 Nov 2005 10:12:15 AM |
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nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god, or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Well, you see, Kurt, these loony toons are trying to claim that it's
the atheists that meet the definition that applies to an agnostic, so
in their loony logic, an agnostic must *believe* in a god.
Please provide evidence supporting this repetitively stupid claim of
yours, that anyone has claimed "an agnostic must *believe* in a god."
Perhaps if you reread the definition of agnostic ("without knowledge"),
you might figure out where you've gone so horribly wrong, but I doubt
it.
What do
you expect from the atheists loons that proclaim that they don't
believe that God doesn't exist, only that don't believe in him.
Speaking of loons...
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03 Nov 2005 11:57:07 AM |
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On 3 Nov 2005 08:12:15 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god, or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Well, you see, Kurt, these loony toons are trying to claim that it's
the atheists that meet the definition that applies to an agnostic, so
in their loony logic, an agnostic must *believe* in a god.
Please provide evidence supporting this repetitively stupid claim of
yours, that anyone has claimed "an agnostic must *believe* in a god."
Look, you hapless moron, he asked how being an agnostic had anything
to do with whether or not you believed in a God...
Perhaps if you reread the definition of agnostic ("without knowledge"),
you might figure out where you've gone so horribly wrong, but I doubt
it.
What do
you expect from the atheists loons that proclaim that they don't
believe that God doesn't exist, only that don't believe in him.
Speaking of loons...
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03 Nov 2005 12:58:04 PM |
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nevermore wrote:
On 3 Nov 2005 08:12:15 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
nevermore wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god, or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Well, you see, Kurt, these loony toons are trying to claim that it's
the atheists that meet the definition that applies to an agnostic, so
in their loony logic, an agnostic must *believe* in a god.
Please provide evidence supporting this repetitively stupid claim of
yours, that anyone has claimed "an agnostic must *believe* in a god."
Look, you hapless moron, he asked how being an agnostic had anything
to do with whether or not you believed in a God...
And I pointed out to him, in another post, that nothing prevents an
agnostic believing in god; agnostics merely admit a lack of
*knowledge,* which is a position you would be wise to adopt. There is
a difference between 'belief' and 'knowledge,' a difference you appear
unable to grasp. Now, since YOU claimed "in their loony logic, an
agnostic must *believe* in a god" (see where I cut and pasted those
words from?), please try and be honest for a moment, and provide
evidence to support your claim.
Perhaps if you reread the definition of agnostic ("without knowledge"),
you might figure out where you've gone so horribly wrong, but I doubt
it.
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04 Nov 2005 03:34:52 PM |
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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god,
or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Why not?
It is possible to believe that the existence of a god can never be KNOWN, this
side of the grave, and still have FAITH that there is a god.
We have had many xtians in here, over the years, who, when pressed for the
evidence they lay claim to, admit that it is FAITH that matters.
One of the main reasons that we are given, for why "God" doesn't prove it's
existence is that then we would have knowledge, and there would be know need for
faith, and *faith* is what it is all about.
The agnostic says he not only does not have knowledge, but, in life, cannot have
it.
If he also has faith that there is a god: How much more *faith* can he have?
Xtians who claim that they KNOW that a god exists, and then tell us that it is
all down to *faith*, do their religion, more harm, in these groups, than all the
logic, all the science, all the reason, we can produce.
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04 Nov 2005 05:59:57 PM |
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"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas"
<kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore
<stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god,
or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Why not?
It is possible to believe that the existence of a god can never be KNOWN,
this
side of the grave, and still have FAITH that there is a god.
Sorry by holding out the faint hope there is a God does not equate to belief
in one.
It's nothing more than hope.
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05 Nov 2005 10:02:16 AM |
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:59:57 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
Sorry by holding out the faint hope there is a God does not equate to belief
in one.
It's nothing more than hope.
But that is all that you have when the truth is told: Self delusion, and hope.
To have anything else, you require empirical evidence.
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04 Nov 2005 06:32:27 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:34:52 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:00:10 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:51:00 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:20:58 -0500, nevermore <stevencanyon@y***hoo.com>
wrote:
Lying doesn't help your "argument." Logically self-contradictory
things don't exist; unicorns can't be both pink and invisible, for
example. The xtian god is self-contradictory. Draw your own
conclusion.
<LOL> You say it is self-contradictory? How can something that
doesn't exist be self-anything?
So you do not believe in the xtian god. Interesting.
<LOL> Your inability to answer the question says it all.
BTW, why would that be "interesting" ya moron, given that I said that
I was an agnostic....
And that has exactly *what*, to do with whether you believe in a
particular god,
or not?
Agnostics believe in a god?
Why not?
It is possible to believe that the existence of a god can never be KNOWN, this
side of the grave, and still have FAITH that there is a god.
Never had a logic course, did you?
We have had many xtians in here, over the years, who, when pressed for the
evidence they lay claim to, admit that it is FAITH that matters.
One of the main reasons that we are given, for why "God" doesn't prove it's
existence is that then we would have knowledge, and there would be know need for
faith, and *faith* is what it is all about.
The agnostic says he not only does not have knowledge, but, in life, cannot have
it.
If he also has faith that there is a god: How much more *faith* can he have?
Xtians who claim that they KNOW that a god exists, and then tell us that it is
all down to *faith*, do their religion, more harm, in these groups, than all the
logic, all the science, all the reason, we can produce.
--
Steve
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nevermore wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:34:52 GMT, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey>
wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:12:48 -0500, "Kurt Nicklas" <kurt_nicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:
Agnostics believe in a god?
Why not?
It is possible to believe that the existence of a god can never be KNOWN, this
side of the grave, and still have FAITH that there is a god.
Never had a logic course, did you?
Have you? Maybe you could explain how the inability to know something
implies the inability to believe in that thing.
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