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09 Oct 2007 12:19:51 PM |
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Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
1st of all, i apologize if this has been dicsussed, I did a search of
nihilism and apparently there is nothing similar in the past 4 years..
Many say atheism must lead to nihilism, ok fine. I used to disagree,
but now I see that they are correct. All of our platitudes like "you
find your own meaning" or whatever don't change the fact that at some
point, all humans will be dead. Whether 2 years from now, or 2
billion years from now. What will our existence have meant at that
point? All knowledge, accomplishments, etc.. will be dust.
So humans have no eternity. Without eternity, there is no meaning or
purpose.
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
So if existence has an end, can it ever really have a meaning? Any
ideas are appreciated.
(and i'm not depressed looking for psychological meaning in my life,
I'm strictly talking philo here)
(I'm also not saying that without meaning, atheism is untenable. I
know atheism is truth already, regardless of how unappealing it may be
or what despair may ensue. Unpalatability has no bearing on truth)
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 12:30:49 PM |
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<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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1st of all, i apologize if this has been dicsussed, I did a search of
nihilism and apparently there is nothing similar in the past 4 years..
Many say atheism must lead to nihilism, ok fine. I used to disagree,
but now I see that they are correct. All of our platitudes like "you
find your own meaning" or whatever don't change the fact that at some
point, all humans will be dead. Whether 2 years from now, or 2
billion years from now. What will our existence have meant at that
point? All knowledge, accomplishments, etc.. will be dust.
So humans have no eternity. Without eternity, there is no meaning or
purpose.
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
So if existence has an end, can it ever really have a meaning? Any
ideas are appreciated.
(and i'm not depressed looking for psychological meaning in my life,
I'm strictly talking philo here)
(I'm also not saying that without meaning, atheism is untenable. I
know atheism is truth already, regardless of how unappealing it may be
or what despair may ensue. Unpalatability has no bearing on truth)
What's the meaning in an endless eternity of some existance? How does that
magically have more meaning? Something that never ends has meaning, but
things that end don't?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 12:35:26 PM |
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That's a good point. I suppose that if humans had a "soul" and some
way to observe eternity and there WERE some god, we'd have a goal,
something to work towards. But without that, what is the goal?
Nothing really, Why bother? (again, not being suicidal, strictly
philo)
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 12:51:39 PM |
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<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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That's a good point. I suppose that if humans had a "soul" and some
way to observe eternity and there WERE some god, we'd have a goal,
something to work towards. But without that, what is the goal?
Nothing really, Why bother? (again, not being suicidal, strictly
philo)
You're thinking in circles. Your stated "goal" is what? Heaven? Heaven =
eternity (or does heaven end at some point?). You never explained why
eternity has meaning and a finite life has none. I have a goal and goals for
my life. How is that any different? Your goal is eternity, which you've yet
to show has any meaning whatsoever. A goal implies some sort of conclusion.
You reach your goal and then you're done. What goal can you reach with
eternity?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 12:58:38 PM |
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On Oct 9, 1:51 pm, "GoDrex" <godre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<roninfro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191951326.684792.234790@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
That's a good point. I suppose that if humans had a "soul" and some
way to observe eternity and there WERE some god, we'd have a goal,
something to work towards. But without that, what is the goal?
Nothing really, Why bother? (again, not being suicidal, strictly
philo)
You're thinking in circles. Your stated "goal" is what? Heaven? Heaven =
eternity (or does heaven end at some point?). You never explained why
eternity has meaning and a finite life has none. I have a goal and goals for
my life. How is that any different? Your goal is eternity, which you've yet
to show has any meaning whatsoever. A goal implies some sort of conclusion.
You reach your goal and then you're done. What goal can you reach with
eternity?
OK, the problem is that outside of a religious context (which is hard
since I'm an atheist) I can';t answer that, that';s y i posted this to
see if someone ELSE can give it to me. Without the "goal" of some
lovely eternal existence in a gold city in the sky where all is
wonderful, I see no purpose. I'm wondering if I am incorrect.
Man, I feel like a xian who just posted "jesus love you". I didn't
want to write a post that was paragraphs long defining every term.
Isn't there anybody who gets the general gist of my question?
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 01:04:04 PM |
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<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 9, 1:51 pm, "GoDrex" <godre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<roninfro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191951326.684792.234790@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
That's a good point. I suppose that if humans had a "soul" and some
way to observe eternity and there WERE some god, we'd have a goal,
something to work towards. But without that, what is the goal?
Nothing really, Why bother? (again, not being suicidal, strictly
philo)
You're thinking in circles. Your stated "goal" is what? Heaven? Heaven =
eternity (or does heaven end at some point?). You never explained why
eternity has meaning and a finite life has none. I have a goal and goals
for
my life. How is that any different? Your goal is eternity, which you've
yet
to show has any meaning whatsoever. A goal implies some sort of
conclusion.
You reach your goal and then you're done. What goal can you reach with
eternity?
OK, the problem is that outside of a religious context (which is hard
since I'm an atheist) I can';t answer that, that';s y i posted this to
see if someone ELSE can give it to me. Without the "goal" of some
lovely eternal existence in a gold city in the sky where all is
wonderful, I see no purpose. I'm wondering if I am incorrect.
Man, I feel like a xian who just posted "jesus love you". I didn't
want to write a post that was paragraphs long defining every term.
Isn't there anybody who gets the general gist of my question?
I doubt that you're an atheist. In fact you're probably very religious.
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| User: "NC" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:12:37 AM |
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wrote:
OK, the problem is that outside of a religious context (which is hard
since I'm an atheist) I can';t answer that, that';s y i posted this to
see if someone ELSE can give it to me. Without the "goal" of some
lovely eternal existence in a gold city in the sky where all is
wonderful, I see no purpose. I'm wondering if I am incorrect.
I recommend "The Wisdom Of Insecurity" by Alan Watts.
Man, I feel like a xian who just posted "jesus love you". I didn't
want to write a post that was paragraphs long defining every term.
Isn't there anybody who gets the general gist of my question?
I think you're greatly overreacting to many reasonable questions as if
they are flaming you. Nobody is saying the things you are accusing them
of. Stop trying to read between the lines for the hate and vitriol you
seemed to expect and just read what people are saying.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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09 Oct 2007 03:12:24 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:58:38 -0700, wrote:
OK, the problem is that outside of a religious context (which is hard
since I'm an atheist) I can';t answer that, that';s y i posted this to
see if someone ELSE can give it to me. Without the "goal" of some
lovely eternal existence in a gold city in the sky where all is
wonderful, I see no purpose.
If you see no purpose in living, why are you still alive? Why haven't
you killed yourself?
I'm wondering if I am incorrect.
For most of us, yes. For yourself? Only you can answer that. From
what you've said, you're probably correct - you have no purpose to go
on living.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
- Bertrand Russell.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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09 Oct 2007 01:43:28 PM |
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wrote:
That's a good point. I suppose that if humans had a "soul" and some
way to observe eternity and there WERE some god, we'd have a goal,
something to work towards. But without that, what is the goal?
You can set any goal you wish. Reaching it is up to you.
Nothing really, Why bother? (again, not being suicidal, strictly
philo)
Why give up?
--
Uncle Vic
#2011
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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09 Oct 2007 01:38:41 PM |
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On Oct 9, 10:35 am, wrote:
That's a good point. I suppose that if humans had a "soul" and some
way to observe eternity and there WERE some god, we'd have a goal,
something to work towards. But without that, what is the goal?
Nothing really, Why bother? (again, not being suicidal, strictly
philo)
Because it's fun. And it beats the alternative.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "AtheistMainstream" |
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09 Oct 2007 12:57:23 PM |
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<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191950391.670751.137020@57g2000hsv.googlegroups
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
My girlfriend and her brother are coming here at 8pm tonight. We'll be
eating lasagne; drinking Italian wine; then listening to a new Mahler CD
that she's bought for me. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone having a more
meaningful evening...
Mark.
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
10 Oct 2007 12:00:50 PM |
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"AtheistMainstream" <AtheistMainstream@Niche.com> wrote in message news:7iPOi.72373$j16.31150@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1191950391.670751.137020@57g2000hsv.googlegroups
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
My girlfriend and her brother are coming here at 8pm tonight. We'll be eating lasagne; drinking Italian wine; then
listening to a new Mahler CD that she's bought for me. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone having a more meaningful
evening...
Yeah, just don't look outside of the box, atheist.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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09 Oct 2007 01:03:37 PM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:57:23 GMT, "AtheistMainstream"
<AtheistMainstream@Niche.com> wrote:
<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191950391.670751.137020@57g2000hsv.googlegroups
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
My girlfriend and her brother are coming here at 8pm tonight. We'll be
eating lasagne; drinking Italian wine; then listening to a new Mahler CD
that she's bought for me. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone having a more
meaningful evening...
In the nicest possible way: "My sympathy".
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| User: "AtheistMainstream" |
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09 Oct 2007 01:35:43 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:57:23 GMT, "AtheistMainstream"
<AtheistMainstream@Niche.com> wrote:
<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191950391.670751.137020@57g2000hsv.googlegroups
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
My girlfriend and her brother are coming here at 8pm tonight. We'll be
eating lasagne; drinking Italian wine; then listening to a new Mahler CD
that she's bought for me. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone having a more
meaningful evening...
In the nicest possible way: "My sympathy".
You take my point, though? Which is simply that people seem *so desperately
self-preoccupied*: they think unless the universe takes the trouble to
perpetuate some important aspect of them and what they do, then ultimately
there's no point to anything...
Mark
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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09 Oct 2007 01:51:28 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:57:23 GMT, "AtheistMainstream"
<AtheistMainstream@Niche.com> wrote:
<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191950391.670751.137020@57g2000hsv.googlegroups
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
My girlfriend and her brother are coming here at 8pm tonight. We'll be
eating lasagne; drinking Italian wine; then listening to a new Mahler CD
that she's bought for me. Frankly, I can't imagine anyone having a more
meaningful evening...
In the nicest possible way: "My sympathy".
Or "my symphony..."
Heh...
--
Uncle Vic
#2011
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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09 Oct 2007 04:07:06 PM |
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<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191950391.670751.137020@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
1st of all, i apologize if this has been dicsussed, I did a search of
nihilism and apparently there is nothing similar in the past 4 years..
Many say atheism must lead to nihilism, ok fine. I used to disagree,
but now I see that they are correct. All of our platitudes like "you
find your own meaning" or whatever don't change the fact that at some
point, all humans will be dead. Whether 2 years from now, or 2
billion years from now. What will our existence have meant at that
point? All knowledge, accomplishments, etc.. will be dust.
So humans have no eternity. Without eternity, there is no meaning or
purpose.
I'm wondering if anyone can point to some potential meaning WITHOUT
eternity. Of course, it's possible we can find some way to escape the
cold dark death of our universe and find some other univers in our
future with some amazing technology, but I see the probability as so
insignificant as to be irrelevant.
So if existence has an end, can it ever really have a meaning? Any
ideas are appreciated.
(and i'm not depressed looking for psychological meaning in my life,
I'm strictly talking philo here)
(I'm also not saying that without meaning, atheism is untenable. I
know atheism is truth already, regardless of how unappealing it may be
or what despair may ensue. Unpalatability has no bearing on truth)
You know, one way to check to see if you're right is to ask how many
atheists are nihilists.
I'm not.
Facts trump speculation.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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09 Oct 2007 12:31:57 PM |
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<roninfromde@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191950391.670751.137020@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
1st of all, i apologize if this has been dicsussed, I did a search of
nihilism and apparently there is nothing similar in the past 4 years..
Many say atheism must lead to nihilism, ok fine. I used to disagree,
but now I see that they are correct. All of our platitudes like "you
find your own meaning" or whatever don't change the fact that at some
point, all humans will be dead. Whether 2 years from now, or 2
billion years from now. What will our existence have meant at that
point? All knowledge, accomplishments, etc.. will be dust.
So what? Doesn't bother me in the least. Enjoy life now, while you can.
So humans have no eternity. Without eternity, there is no meaning or
purpose.
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works for
me.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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09 Oct 2007 01:14:51 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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09 Oct 2007 01:18:00 PM |
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then. I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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09 Oct 2007 03:01:15 PM |
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kMKdnQKYCa9RWJbanZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@ptd.net...
"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then.
Well, look yourself in the mirror, GoDrex. Figure one out.
I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
God does not want you to 'kiss his *****', GoDrex. You just got it wrong,
because you're an idiot of an atheist and you make conclusions based
on actions of really, and extremely dumb actions of the church and its
followers.
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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09 Oct 2007 03:19:33 PM |
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough.
Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then.
Well, look yourself in the mirror, GoDrex. Figure one out.
I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
God does not want you to 'kiss his *****', GoDrex. You just got it wrong,
because you're an idiot of an atheist and you make conclusions based
on actions of really, and extremely dumb actions of the church and its
followers.
so what does God want?
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:00:41 PM |
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8aSdneqdCLDXf5banZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@ptd.net...
"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough.
Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then.
Well, look yourself in the mirror, GoDrex. Figure one out.
I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
God does not want you to 'kiss his *****', GoDrex. You just got it wrong,
because you're an idiot of an atheist and you make conclusions based
on actions of really, and extremely dumb actions of the church and its
followers.
so what does God want?
Surely it is not ONLY what YOU want, GoDrex.
Grow up.
LOL!
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11 Oct 2007 12:47:55 PM |
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough.
Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then.
Well, look yourself in the mirror, GoDrex. Figure one out.
I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
God does not want you to 'kiss his *****', GoDrex. You just got it wrong,
because you're an idiot of an atheist and you make conclusions based
on actions of really, and extremely dumb actions of the church and its
followers.
so what does God want?
Surely it is not ONLY what YOU want, GoDrex.
Grow up.
LOL!
LOL!! Grow up! LOL!!!!11 I'm LOLing some more!!
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
14 Oct 2007 11:19:19 AM |
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:R_adnYabw-4h_JPanZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@ptd.net...
"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough.
Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then.
Well, look yourself in the mirror, GoDrex. Figure one out.
I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
God does not want you to 'kiss his *****', GoDrex. You just got it wrong,
because you're an idiot of an atheist and you make conclusions based
on actions of really, and extremely dumb actions of the church and its
followers.
so what does God want?
Surely it is not ONLY what YOU want, GoDrex.
Grow up.
LOL!
LOL!! Grow up! LOL!!!!11 I'm LOLing some more!!
OMG, you didn't get the joke.
Where do such stupid people, like you GoDrex, come from?
I doubt it's only the nutsack...
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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10 Oct 2007 07:01:34 AM |
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On Oct 9, 9:19 pm, "GoDrex" <godre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough.
Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then.
Well, look yourself in the mirror, GoDrex. Figure one out.
I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
God does not want you to 'kiss his *****', GoDrex. You just got it wrong,
because you're an idiot of an atheist and you make conclusions based
on actions of really, and extremely dumb actions of the church and its
followers.
so what does God want?
God wants a certain stupid Hungarian twat to shut the ***** up.
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
10 Oct 2007 12:13:36 PM |
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"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.jarse@heathens.org.uk> wrote in message
news:1192017694.765649.41530@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 9, 9:19 pm, "GoDrex" <godre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"GoDrex" <godre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough.
Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then.
Well, look yourself in the mirror, GoDrex. Figure one out.
I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
God does not want you to 'kiss his *****', GoDrex. You just got it wrong,
because you're an idiot of an atheist and you make conclusions based
on actions of really, and extremely dumb actions of the church and its
followers.
so what does God want?
God wants a certain stupid Hungarian twat to shut the ***** up.
You're from Hungary?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 03:13:40 PM |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:18:00 -0400, "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then. I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
Only if God's real name is Hank.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures
or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither
can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives
its physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism,
cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eter-
nity of life and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the exist-
ing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a
portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in
nature.
- Albert Einstein, as quoted in _Billions and Billions_, Carl Sagan.
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
10 Oct 2007 12:00:49 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:37ong3hujhlb1to0moepc6v0fl128g8l2n@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:18:00 -0400, "GoDrex" <godrex35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"de_menezes" <de_menezes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof. Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works
for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Explain the purpose then. I sure hope it's not kissing a God's ***** for
eternity.
Only if God's real name is Hank.
Or Yahweh.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 01:37:09 PM |
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On Oct 9, 11:14 am, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in messagenews:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof.
Why? I don't think there *does* have to be a purpose. I do just fine
without purpose. Why do *you* need one?
Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
Just because YOU think that purpose is needed "in a general way"
doesn't mean that it's true. Please provide evidence the purpose is,
in any way, shape, or form, necessary.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works for me.
And for me.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Or simple, beautiful, and profound, depending on how well-balanced
your head is.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "de_menezes" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
09 Oct 2007 03:04:01 PM |
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"skyeyes" <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote in message news:1191955029.708506.188050@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 9, 11:14 am, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in messagenews:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof.
Why? I don't think there *does* have to be a purpose. I do just fine
without purpose. Why do *you* need one?
Oh, really? Did you go to school? Do you have a job? Are you planning
on having a better and more secure future for you and your family?
Haha, see how you guys are nothintg but a bunch of selfish liars.
'Oh well, I do have my own selfish purpos(es), but other than that; none'.
Clap-clap-clap atheists.
Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
Just because YOU think that purpose is needed "in a general way"
doesn't mean that it's true. Please provide evidence the purpose is,
in any way, shape, or form, necessary.
First let me hear YOU, atheist hypocrite, why you 'dont need a purpose',
and what do you mean by 'I do just fine without purpose'.
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works for me.
And for me.
Shallow. And ignorant. And selfish.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Or simple, beautiful, and profound, depending on how well-balanced
your head is.
Your head is not balanced, skyeyes.
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism leads logically to nihilism... Discuss!! |
10 Oct 2007 03:05:07 PM |
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On Oct 9, 1:04 pm, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:
"skyeyes" <skye...@dakotacom.net> wrote in messagenews:1191955029.708506.188050@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 9, 11:14 am, "de_menezes" <de_mene...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote in messagenews:5n1s59FfspdtU1@mid.individual.net...
In your opinion, anyway. And who says there HAS to be a purpose?
There has to be a purpose, Robibnikof.
Why? I don't think there *does* have to be a purpose. I do just fine
without purpose. Why do *you* need one?
Oh, really? Did you go to school? Do you have a job? Are you planning
on having a better and more secure future for you and your family?
Oh, get off your damn high horse. The day-to-day purpose of getting
through life successfully *isn't* what's being discussed here, and you
damn well know it. What's being discussed is whether or not people
need some high-falutin' metaphysical goal, like everlasting life.
Practical and/or short-range goals are *not* the issue.
Haha, see how you guys are nothintg but a bunch of selfish liars.
'Oh well, I do have my own selfish purpos(es), but other than that; none'.
Clap-clap-clap atheists.
Just because you merely think
that YOU don't need a purpose, that doesn't mean that purpose is not
needed. In a general way.
Just because YOU think that purpose is needed "in a general way"
doesn't mean that it's true. Please provide evidence the purpose is,
in any way, shape, or form, necessary.
First let me hear YOU, atheist hypocrite, why you 'dont need a purpose',
and what do you mean by 'I do just fine without purpose'.
I don't need any kind of metaphysical justification for my existence
in order to live a happy, well-rounded life, theist twat. Life *is*.
I'm enjoying it. There have been rough spots, but hey, that's part of
the program.
Does that answer your question?
For many people, just living and enjoying life is meaning enough. Works for me.
And for me.
Shallow. And ignorant. And selfish.
Shallow. And ignorant.
Or simple, beautiful, and profound, depending on how well-balanced
your head is.
Your head is not balanced, skyeyes.
Oh, hozru is one of the guiding principles of my life, having grown up
with Navajos. My balance is just fine, thanks awfully.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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