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Atheism lost another fight: Lost island home of Odysseus found after 3,000 years |
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
Lost island home of Odysseus found after 3,000 years
By Dalya Alberge, Arts Correspondent
FOR almost 3,000 years, its location has been a mystery, but classical
scholars around the world are now convinced that a British businessman
and amateur archaeologist with a passion for Homer has found the island
of Ithaca, home of the Greek hero Odysseus and the site of his palace.
Many thought that the island existed only in the imagination of the
Greek poet Homer and in his epic, the Odyssey. Certainly his
description
of it did not match the Ionian island now called Ithaca, but, after
following a detective trail of literary, geological and archaeological
clues, scholars led by Robert Bittlestone, a management consultant,
have
identified Paliki, an area of Cephalonia, as the site.
Calssicists have been overwhelmed by the compelling evidence.
NI_MPU('middle');James Diggle, Professor of Greek and Latin at
Cambridge University and co-author of a book on the discovery, said
that almost
all of the 26 locations that Homer described in detail can be
identified today in northern Paliki and its neighbourhood.
The topography of Homer's island fits the area "like a glove", he
said.
Paliki was once a separate island. Since Homer's day, earthquakes
triggering massive landslides had filled in a narrow sea channel that
separated it from the island of Same - modern Cephalonia, the setting
for
Captain Corelli's Mandolin.
Professor Diggle said: "Some 3,200 years after the events that are
described in the Odyssey, ancient Ithaca has at last been discovered
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discovery which will revolutionise our understanding of the ancient
world
and is of profound importance to our understanding of the origins of
western civilisation."
Homer's epic poems the Iliad and the Odyssey are the oldest books in
Western literature. They describe the Trojan War and the return of
Odysseus - who devised the wooden horse that helped to end it - to
his palace
on Ithaca. Homer's accounts of events around 1,200BC inspired the
philosophers Plato, Aristotle and Socrates and shaped the intellectual
and
cultural development of Greece.
Troy was also thought to be fictional until the 1870s, when Heinrich
Schliemann conducted excavations in northwestern Turkey that led to the
discovery of the ancient city and, buried beneath it, the gold of Troy.
Scholars and archaeologists had been baffled by Homer's description
of
Ithaca: "Around are many islands, close to each other,/Doulichion and
Same and wooded Zacynthos./Ithaca itself lies low, furthest to
sea/Towards dusk [ie West]; the rest, apart, face dawn and sun [ie
East]."
Today's Ithaca lies to the east of the other islands, not to the
west,
and it is not low-lying but mountainous. Scholars therefore came to the
uneasy conclusion that Ithaca must have come from the poet's
imagination.
However, after field trips to western Greece and computer analysis of
literary, geological and archaeological data, the use of the most
advanced satellite imagery and 3D global visualisation techniques
developed
by NASA, Mr Bittlestone found up to 70 clues leading to Caphalonia.
The research has convinced leading academics worldwide, including John
Underhill, Professor of Stratigraphy at Edinburgh University, who has
now co-written a book with Professor Diggle and Mr Bittlestone.
Their research will be published by Cambridge University Press on
October 6 in Odysseus Unbound: The Search for Homer's Ithaca.
Search 'locates' Homer's Ithaca
An amateur British archaeologist says he has located Ithaca, the
homeland of Homer's legendary hero Odysseus.
Robert Bittlestone - backed by two experts - claims the rocky island
depicted in The Odyssey is part of Greek tourist destination
Cephalonia.
He used satellite imagery to match the area's landscape with
descriptions in the poem about the return of the man behind the wooden
horse of
Troy.
Many experts had stated Homer was referring to the island of Ithaki.
They had explained geographical inconsistencies in The Odyssey by
suggesting that Homer lived much later than the events portrayed and in
a
different part of the country.
Previous studies have also named other Ionian islands including
Cephalonia.
Earthquakes
Surrey-based management consultant Mr Bittlestone first came up with
his theory in 1998.
During field trips to western Greece he also analysed literary,
geological and archaeological data, and utilised 3D global
visualisation
techniques developed by Nasa.
There is something both very new and very old to be found at this new
location and that we should now treat the existence of ancient Ithaca
very seriously
Robert Bittlestone
His new book Odysseus Unbound - The Search for Homer's Ithaca is
co-written by Cambridge University professor James Diggle, and
geographic
expert John Underhill from Edinburgh University.
It suggests earthquakes have helped fill a narrow channel which had
separated Cephalonia from Ithaca - said to have been located in the
peninsular now known as Paliki.
Future research
It is not clear whether Odysseus or Ithaca really existed.
But Mr Bittlestone said: "Our purpose has been to demonstrate that
there is something both very new and very old to be found at this new
location and that we should now treat the existence of ancient Ithaca
very
seriously."
He has described his find as one of the most important classical
discoveries since the unearthing of Troy in Turkey in the 1870s.
The book says Ithaca was the peninsular now known as Paliki
The book details 26 locations in The Odyssey that can be identified
today in northern Paliki and its vicinity.
The research was conducted in cooperation with the Hellenic Ministry of
Culture and with the Athens-based Institute of Geology and Mineral
Exploration.
"The book opens exciting prospects for future research regarding the
location of Homeric Ithaca," said Petros Tatoulis, Greece's Deputy
Minister of Culture.
"The Ministry eagerly follows Mr Bittlestone's hypothesis and looks
forward to staying informed about any future developments."
Cephalonia is the same island where Louis de Bernieres' best-selling
novel Captain Corelli's Mandolin was set.
The novel, which was made into a film starring Penelope Cruz and
Nicholas Cage in 2001, is set against the real-life massacre of
thousands of
Italian soldiers by German troops during World War II.
sources:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1804409,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4293786.stm
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03 Oct 2005 12:51:24 PM |
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<geister@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
Wow, dont get many pantheists about these days,
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02 Oct 2005 05:25:45 PM |
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<geister@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
If this pans out and proves the ancient Greek gods are real, I'm going with
Prometheus as my patron god!
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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03 Oct 2005 12:35:22 PM |
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I'm hoping for some action with Aphrodite.
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04 Oct 2005 11:40:30 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
I'm hoping for some action with Aphrodite.
Careful, sometimes she's the jealous type.
"We will worship Aphrodite
We will worship Aphrodite
'Cause we've seen her in her nightie
And that's good enough for me!"
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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04 Oct 2005 12:29:58 PM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
I'm hoping for some action with Aphrodite.
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Please remove irrelevant NGs (rec.ponds and ARJ-W) from these JABRIOL
inspired off-topic threads.
Thanks!
CR......
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04 Oct 2005 03:40:18 PM |
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
I'm hoping for some action with Aphrodite.
Careful, sometimes she's the jealous type.
"We will worship Aphrodite
We will worship Aphrodite
'Cause we've seen her in her nightie
And that's good enough for me!"
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How about some handsome, single, rich male gods? :-)))
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DeeDee.......
http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
www.JWFiles.com
www.freeminds.org
www.Watchtowerobserver.org
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04 Oct 2005 07:57:55 PM |
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Please remove rec.ponds from this off-topic Jabriol/Zod the troll thread.
Thanks
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<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
I'm hoping for some action with Aphrodite.
Careful, sometimes she's the jealous type.
"We will worship Aphrodite
We will worship Aphrodite
'Cause we've seen her in her nightie
And that's good enough for me!"
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Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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| User: "John Baker" |
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03 Oct 2005 01:11:14 PM |
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On 3 Oct 2005 10:35:22 -0700, "Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I'm hoping for some action with Aphrodite.
If she actually looks like Alexandra Tydings, I'm getting in that line
too. <G>
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02 Oct 2005 06:05:55 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:25:45 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
<geister@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:1128284940.755539.111120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
If this pans out and proves the ancient Greek gods are real, I'm going with
Prometheus as my patron god!
Mine would have to be Dionysus & Janus. You'd be _amazed_ how well
those two work together. ;-)
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L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
Those first to step up and say,
"Now is not the time for placing blame"
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...are quite often to blame....
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Oct 2005 06:14:55 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:25:45 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
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<geister@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:1128284940.755539.111120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
If this pans out and proves the ancient Greek gods are real, I'm going with
Prometheus as my patron god!
Prometheus?
Isn't he the god of liver problems?
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| User: "Woden" |
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02 Oct 2005 04:12:24 PM |
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wrote in news:1128284940.755539.111120
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
Lost island home of Odysseus found after 3,000 years
Well, I guess this also proves that xianity is wrong. And that islam is
wrong, etc....
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Oct 2005 07:23:18 AM |
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In <1128284940.755539.111120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
geister@mailinator.com wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
Lost island home of Odysseus found
<snip>
This has nothing to do with atheism. That you think it does only shows
that you are not a very bright person...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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03 Oct 2005 03:16:35 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In <1128284940.755539.111120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
geister@mailinator.com aka JABRIOL (CREATIONIST) wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
Lost island home of Odysseus found
<snip>
This has nothing to do with atheism. That you think it does only shows
that you are not a very bright person...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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You're dealing with a JABRIOL sock-puppet. He gets his education from the
Watchtower literature. How bright can he be? If the WTS mags say it then
it's true as far as he's concerned.
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DeeDee.....
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:56:15 -0600, (Boydette) wrote:
What its like to be "mind controlled"all your life???? I thought this
was a support group for people damaged by the JWs teachings??......I am
a classic example...learn from me....Boydette
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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02 Oct 2005 09:45:57 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700,
let us all know that:
[irrelevant newsgroups snipped]
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
1. You're a troll.
1a. You're a git.
Don
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| User: "satyr" |
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03 Oct 2005 12:16:50 AM |
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On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
Lost island home of Odysseus found after 3,000 years
By Dalya Alberge, Arts Correspondent
FOR almost 3,000 years, its location has been a mystery, but classical
scholars around the world are now convinced that a British businessman
and amateur archaeologist with a passion for Homer has found the island
of Ithaca, home of the Greek hero Odysseus and the site of his palace.
So this proves the existence of... Zeus?
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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02 Oct 2005 10:07:20 PM |
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On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So I assume you're now going to worship Zeus?
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"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "JTEM" |
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02 Oct 2005 10:20:00 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote
geister@mailinator.com wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So I assume you're now going to worship Zeus?
The Venus of Willendorf, I imagine. After all, Zeus is a relative
new comer compared to the mother goddess.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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02 Oct 2005 04:02:02 PM |
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On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So what does this have to do with atheists?
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| User: "Dr. Newto Joseph" |
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02 Oct 2005 04:05:46 PM |
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You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So what does this have to do with atheists?
Just how you can prove atheism wrong????????
New10
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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03 Oct 2005 12:41:33 AM |
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Dr. Newto Joseph wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So what does this have to do with atheists?
Just how you can prove atheism wrong????????
New10
Only one question mark in a row is necessary. Beyond that, you just
come off as an idiot.
How does it prove atheism wrong? Are you suggesting that the discovery
of Ithaca indicates that Neptune actually exists? You can put real
stuff into a fictional story, just as you can insert fiction into a
real environment.
Take, for instance, Harry Potter. London exists, should we therefore
conclude that in 1981, Lord Voldemort arrived in Godric's Hollow to do
in a child that reputedly would grow up to be his destroyer, and had
his spell deflected upon himself, practically destroying his powers and
forcing him to hide for 13 years?
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| User: "kathryn" |
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03 Oct 2005 11:55:10 AM |
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"Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Newto Joseph wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So what does this have to do with atheists?
Just how you can prove atheism wrong????????
New10
Only one question mark in a row is necessary. Beyond that, you just
come off as an idiot.
How does it prove atheism wrong? Are you suggesting that the discovery
of Ithaca indicates that Neptune actually exists? You can put real
stuff into a fictional story, just as you can insert fiction into a
real environment.
Take, for instance, Harry Potter. London exists, should we therefore
conclude that in 1981, Lord Voldemort arrived in Godric's Hollow to do
in a child that reputedly would grow up to be his destroyer, and had
his spell deflected upon himself, practically destroying his powers and
forcing him to hide for 13 years?
Gah next you'll be telling me there's no santa claus :\
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04 Oct 2005 10:40:23 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:55:10 +0000, kathryn wrote:
"Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Newto Joseph wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So what does this have to do with atheists?
Just how you can prove atheism wrong????????
New10
Only one question mark in a row is necessary. Beyond that, you just
come off as an idiot.
How does it prove atheism wrong? Are you suggesting that the discovery
of Ithaca indicates that Neptune actually exists? You can put real
stuff into a fictional story, just as you can insert fiction into a
real environment.
Take, for instance, Harry Potter. London exists, should we therefore
conclude that in 1981, Lord Voldemort arrived in Godric's Hollow to do
in a child that reputedly would grow up to be his destroyer, and had
his spell deflected upon himself, practically destroying his powers and
forcing him to hide for 13 years?
Gah next you'll be telling me there's no santa claus :\
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/38/messages/1283.html
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phillip brown
"***** doesn't just happen. there is always an *****-hole involved"
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| User: "magilla" |
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03 Oct 2005 05:16:54 AM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
Dr. Newto Joseph wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So what does this have to do with atheists?
Just how you can prove atheism wrong????????
New10
Only one question mark in a row is necessary. Beyond that, you just
come off as an idiot.
How does it prove atheism wrong? Are you suggesting that the discovery
of Ithaca indicates that Neptune actually exists? You can put real
stuff into a fictional story, just as you can insert fiction into a
real environment.
Take, for instance, Harry Potter. London exists, should we therefore
conclude that in 1981, Lord Voldemort arrived in Godric's Hollow to do
in a child that reputedly would grow up to be his destroyer, and had
his spell deflected upon himself, practically destroying his powers and
forcing him to hide for 13 years?
What's your point?
Hey wait, you're trying to say that Harry Potter and Voldemort
AREN'T.....Oh that's rich. BWAHAHAHAHA.
Chris
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05 Oct 2005 03:32:06 PM |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:05:46 GMT, "Dr. Newto Joseph" <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
You just have to hate it when history proves atheism wrong.
So what does this have to do with atheists?
Just how you can prove atheism wrong????????
New10
Beats the shite outa me.
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02 Oct 2005 04:10:44 PM |
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On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
I'm afraid I must be missing your point here, assuming you had one.
What have Ithaca and Osysseus to do with atheism?
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| User: "Tauri" |
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02 Oct 2005 07:43:41 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
I'm afraid I must be missing your point here, assuming you had one.
What have Ithaca and Osysseus to do with atheism?
Atheist ridiculize everything writen by old sheepherdeares etc. If there
is no proof it is not true. Ithaca was never proven to be, hence it is
not true. why bother with history?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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03 Oct 2005 12:28:21 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 20:43:41 -0400 in alt.atheism, Tau'ri (Tau'ri
<goauld@chapai.org>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
John Baker wrote:
On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
I'm afraid I must be missing your point here, assuming you had one.
What have Ithaca and Osysseus to do with atheism?
Atheist ridiculize everything writen by old sheepherdeares etc. If there
is no proof it is not true. Ithaca was never proven to be, hence it is
not true. why bother with history?
Oh yawn.
Yesterday I went to the cinema. Afterwards I had a meal at the
Chinese restaurant opposite. While walking home the goddess
Ishtar-Lilith appeared to me, and pointed out the truth behind the
universe, life and everything.
I presume, given your statements above, that you'll be willing to
accept the existence and message of Ishtar-Lilith because you can
verify that the cinema, film and Chinese restaurant exist.
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. Want food NOW? Then try http://www.rtios.co.uk/
- Yep, currently under test... Your opinion welcome.
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03 Oct 2005 04:56:35 AM |
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"Tau'ri" <goauld@chapai.org> wrote in message
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John Baker wrote:
On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
I'm afraid I must be missing your point here, assuming you had one.
What have Ithaca and Osysseus to do with atheism?
Atheist ridiculize everything writen by old sheepherdeares etc. If there
is no proof it is not true. Ithaca was never proven to be, hence it is not
true. why bother with history?
English not your first language, huh?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism lost another fight: Lost island home of Odysseus found after 3,000 years |
03 Oct 2005 05:09:33 AM |
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On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:56:35 -0400 in alt.atheism, Robibnikoff
("Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
"Tau'ri" <goauld@chapai.org> wrote in message
news:69%%e.91$ZC1.438369@news.sisna.com...
John Baker wrote:
On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
I'm afraid I must be missing your point here, assuming you had one.
What have Ithaca and Osysseus to do with atheism?
Atheist ridiculize everything writen by old sheepherdeares etc. If there
is no proof it is not true. Ithaca was never proven to be, hence it is not
true. why bother with history?
English not your first language, huh?
Nor logic his first thought.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism lost another fight: Lost island home of Odysseus found after 3,000 years |
03 Oct 2005 07:20:00 AM |
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In <3qcdijFe44tlU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Tau'ri" <goauld@chapai.org> wrote in message
news:69%%e.91$ZC1.438369@news.sisna.com...
John Baker wrote:
On 2 Oct 2005 13:29:00 -0700, wrote:
I'm afraid I must be missing your point here, assuming you had one.
What have Ithaca and Osysseus to do with atheism?
Atheist ridiculize everything writen by old sheepherdeares etc. If there
is no proof it is not true. Ithaca was never proven to be, hence it is
not true. why bother with history?
English not your first language, huh?
Ridiculize?
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Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
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