Religions > Atheism > Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history
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"SongBookz" |
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21 Nov 2006 10:36:54 PM |
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Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history |
Everyone has endured the accusations of the adherents of the Athiest
religion in these groups, this article is submitted for discussion purposes
since it is topical to those discussions:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20061121/cm_csm/ydsouza
Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history
By Dinesh D'SouzaTue Nov 21, 3:00 AM ET
In recent months, a spate of atheist books have argued that religion
represents, as "End of Faith" author Sam Harris puts it, "the most potent
source of human conflict, past and present."
Columnist Robert Kuttner gives the familiar litany. "The Crusades
slaughtered millions in the name of Jesus. The Inquisition brought the
torture and murder of millions more. After Martin Luther, Christians did
bloody battle with other Christians for another three centuries."
In his bestseller "The God Delusion," Richard Dawkins contends that most of
the world's recent conflicts - in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in
Northern Ireland, in Kashmir, and in Sri Lanka - show the vitality of
religion's murderous impulse.
The problem with this critique is that it exaggerates the crimes attributed
to religion, while ignoring the greater crimes of secular fanaticism. The
best example of religious persecution in America is the Salem witch trials.
How many people were killed in those trials? Thousands? Hundreds? Actually,
fewer than 25. Yet the event still haunts the liberal imagination.
It is strange to witness the passion with which some secular figures rail
against the misdeeds of the Crusaders and Inquisitors more than 500 years
ago. The number sentenced to death by the Spanish Inquisition appears to be
about 10,000. Some historians contend that an additional 100,000 died in
jail due to malnutrition or illness.
These figures are tragic, and of course population levels were much lower at
the time. But even so, they are minuscule compared with the death tolls
produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century. In the name of
creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph
Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no
Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered
more than 100 million people.
Moreover, many of the conflicts that are counted as "religious wars" were
not fought over religion. They were mainly fought over rival claims to
territory and power. Can the wars between England and France be called
religious wars because the English were Protestants and the French were
Catholics? Hardly.
The same is true today. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not, at its
core, a religious one. It arises out of a dispute over self-determination
and land. Hamas and the extreme orthodox parties in Israel may advance
theological claims - "God gave us this land" and so forth - but the conflict
would remain essentially the same even without these religious motives.
Ethnic rivalry, not religion, is the source of the tension in Northern
Ireland and the Balkans.
p>Yet today's atheists insist on making religion the culprit. Consider Mr.
Harris's analysis of the conflict in Sri Lanka. "While the motivations of
the Tamil Tigers are not explicitly religious," he informs us, "they are
Hindus who undoubtedly believe many improbable things about the nature of
life and death." In other words, while the Tigers see themselves as
combatants in a secular political struggle, Harris detects a religious
motive because these people happen to be Hindu and surely there must be some
underlying religious craziness that explains their fanaticism.
Harris can go on forever in this vein. Seeking to exonerate secularism and
atheism from the horrors perpetrated in their name, he argues that Stalinism
and Maoism were in reality "little more than a political religion." As for
Nazism, "while the hatred of Jews in Germany expressed itself in a
predominantly secular way, it was a direct inheritance from medieval
Christianity." Indeed, "The holocaust marked the culmination of ... two
thousand years of Christian fulminating against the Jews."
One finds the same inanities in Mr. Dawkins's work. Don't be fooled by this
rhetorical legerdemain. Dawkins and Harris cannot explain why, if Nazism was
directly descended from medieval Christianity, medieval Christianity did not
produce a Hitler. How can a self-proclaimed atheist ideology, advanced by
Hitler as a repudiation of Christianity, be a "culmination" of 2,000 years
of Christianity? Dawkins and Harris are employing a transparent sleight of
hand that holds Christianity responsible for the crimes committed in its
name, while exonerating secularism and atheism for the greater crimes
committed in their name.
Religious fanatics have done things that are impossible to defend, and some
of them, mostly in the Muslim world, are still performing horrors in the
name of their creed. But if religion sometimes disposes people to
self-righteousness and absolutism, it also provides a moral code that
condemns the slaughter of innocents. In particular, the moral teachings of
Jesus provide no support for - indeed they stand as a stern rebuke to - the
historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity.
Atheist hubrisThe crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through
a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using
the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God
and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people - the
Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped - have to be eliminated
in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and
their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they
confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything
is permitted."
Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is
that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not
managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in
the past few decades.
It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief
has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not
religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history.
* Dinesh D'Souza is the Rishwain Fellow at the Hoover Institution. His new
book, "The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for
9/11," will be published in January.
Copyright © 2006 The Christian Science Monitor
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29 Nov 2006 02:41:27 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
Wrong.
You've built this entire tirade on a total lack of understanding of what
alt.atheism exists for.
Hardly surprising that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Cazador" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they are antitheists |
29 Nov 2006 05:06:46 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
Wrong.
You've built this entire tirade on a total lack of understanding of what
alt.atheism exists for.
Hardly surprising that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
I'm not intentionally posting to alt.atheism. I suggest that the
atheists eliminate that address from their posts to ARCB in response to
me. I'm only interested in the atheist interface with the Baptists.
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 Nov 2006 06:16:25 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:06:46 -0800, Cazador wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in
message news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p."
<tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant
atheism motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet
Union. You are either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not
matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism
is a belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept
to be an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking
about, there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote
the doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is
simply someone that does not practice theism, pending further
evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a
group to promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have
done -
Wrong.
You've built this entire tirade on a total lack of understanding of
what alt.atheism exists for.
Hardly surprising that...
I'm not intentionally posting to alt.atheism.
Yes you are.
Each and every post has a Newsgroup header. Whatever newsgroups are in the
header when you send the post are the newsgroups to which you are posting.
This is how Usenet has worked since the beginning.
I suggest that the atheists eliminate that address from their posts to
ARCB in response to me.
Why should we do the work?
I'm only interested in the atheist interface with the Baptists.
That's not my problem.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
-H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they are antitheists |
30 Nov 2006 07:54:16 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:06:46 -0800, Cazador wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in
message news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p."
<tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant
atheism motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet
Union. You are either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not
matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism
is a belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept
to be an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking
about, there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote
the doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is
simply someone that does not practice theism, pending further
evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a
group to promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have
done -
Wrong.
You've built this entire tirade on a total lack of understanding of
what alt.atheism exists for.
Hardly surprising that...
I'm not intentionally posting to alt.atheism.
Yes you are.
Each and every post has a Newsgroup header. Whatever newsgroups are in the
header when you send the post are the newsgroups to which you are posting.
This is how Usenet has worked since the beginning.
I suggest that the atheists eliminate that address from their posts to
ARCB in response to me.
Why should we do the work?
I'm only interested in the atheist interface with the Baptists.
That's not my problem.
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they are antitheists |
30 Nov 2006 10:24:48 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:4t85rmF12lhg0U1@mid.individual.net...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:N7SdnbDfPsZEv_PYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:06:46 -0800, Cazador wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in
message news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p."
<tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant
atheism motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet
Union. You are either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not
matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism
is a belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept
to be an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking
about, there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote
the doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is
simply someone that does not practice theism, pending further
evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a
group to promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have
done -
Wrong.
You've built this entire tirade on a total lack of understanding of
what alt.atheism exists for.
Hardly surprising that...
I'm not intentionally posting to alt.atheism.
Yes you are.
Each and every post has a Newsgroup header. Whatever newsgroups are in
the
header when you send the post are the newsgroups to which you are
posting.
This is how Usenet has worked since the beginning.
I suggest that the atheists eliminate that address from their posts to
ARCB in response to me.
Why should we do the work?
I'm only interested in the atheist interface with the Baptists.
That's not my problem.
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Actually, to a large degree, yes.
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
It's not as simple as that and I don't read Robyn's posts generally - the
problem is, we start to have some meaningful discussion (to us) in the
baptist group, and next thing you know weatherly makes a comment and then
the whole thread is a ot flame war between weatherly and Robyn and you might
as well just forget any other conversation and abandon the thread - which is
starting to convince me that that is Robyn and the rest of you antitheist's
intention in the first place.
Now, I understand weatherly can be irritating BUT - he at least professes
Christ as Lord - in my religion, that makes him a brother and a closer
relative than even any of my own blood who don't profess Christ (even though
he would not consider me a brother in Christ). While it may pain me to say
this, attacks against him by outsiders are attacks against my whole family.
Terrell
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they areantitheists |
30 Nov 2006 11:31:39 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:24:48 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:4t85rmF12lhg0U1@mid.individual.net...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:N7SdnbDfPsZEv_PYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:06:46 -0800, Cazador wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in
message news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p."
<tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant
atheism motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet
Union. You are either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not
matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism
is a belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept
to be an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking
about, there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote
the doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is
simply someone that does not practice theism, pending further
evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a
group to promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have
done -
Wrong.
You've built this entire tirade on a total lack of understanding of
what alt.atheism exists for.
Hardly surprising that...
I'm not intentionally posting to alt.atheism.
Yes you are.
Each and every post has a Newsgroup header. Whatever newsgroups are in
the
header when you send the post are the newsgroups to which you are
posting.
This is how Usenet has worked since the beginning.
I suggest that the atheists eliminate that address from their posts to
ARCB in response to me.
Why should we do the work?
I'm only interested in the atheist interface with the Baptists.
That's not my problem.
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Actually, to a large degree, yes.
Okay so what this has all been about from the beginning is you're a whiny
little *****.
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
It's not as simple as that and I don't read Robyn's posts generally - the
problem is, we start to have some meaningful discussion (to us) in the
baptist group, and next thing you know weatherly makes a comment and then
the whole thread is a ot flame war between weatherly and Robyn and you might
as well just forget any other conversation and abandon the thread - which is
starting to convince me that that is Robyn and the rest of you antitheist's
intention in the first place.
What it means is you don't have a fucking clue about Usenet. Go get a
*real* newsreader and learn to use it.
Now, I understand weatherly can be irritating BUT - he at least professes
Christ as Lord - in my religion, that makes him a brother and a closer
relative than even any of my own blood who don't profess Christ (even though
he would not consider me a brother in Christ). While it may pain me to say
this, attacks against him by outsiders are attacks against my whole family.
So you decided to behave in a wholly unBiblical way eh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"There is something feeble and a little contemptible about
a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of
comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is
aware that they are myths and that he believes them only
because they are comforting. But he dare not face this
thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his
opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are
disputed." -Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they are antitheists |
30 Nov 2006 11:50:34 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NtudnSaFEcPmiPLYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:24:48 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
sni[p
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Actually, to a large degree, yes.
Okay so what this has all been about from the beginning is you're a whiny
little *****.
See, I was right. What a douchebag ;P
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit
their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
It's not as simple as that and I don't read Robyn's posts generally - the
problem is, we start to have some meaningful discussion (to us) in the
baptist group, and next thing you know weatherly makes a comment and then
the whole thread is a ot flame war between weatherly and Robyn and you
might
as well just forget any other conversation and abandon the thread - which
is
starting to convince me that that is Robyn and the rest of you
antitheist's
intention in the first place.
What it means is you don't have a fucking clue about Usenet. Go get a
*real* newsreader and learn to use it.
And when I do post something to weatherly, I do my best to keep it only in
that group. Weatherly's a crossposting idiot, but I try to remove other
groups from the headers when ever possible. This guy is just a blatant
liar.
Now, I understand weatherly can be irritating BUT - he at least professes
Christ as Lord - in my religion, that makes him a brother and a closer
relative than even any of my own blood who don't profess Christ (even
though
he would not consider me a brother in Christ). While it may pain me to
say
this, attacks against him by outsiders are attacks against my whole
family.
So you decided to behave in a wholly unBiblical way eh?
Looks like it. What a dishonest *****.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:54:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:N7SdnbDfPsZEv_PYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:06:46 -0800, Cazador wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in
message news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p."
<tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant
atheism motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet
Union. You are either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not
matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism
is a belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept
to be an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking
about, there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote
the doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is
simply someone that does not practice theism, pending further
evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a
group to promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have
done -
Wrong.
You've built this entire tirade on a total lack of understanding of
what alt.atheism exists for.
Hardly surprising that...
I'm not intentionally posting to alt.atheism.
Yes you are.
Each and every post has a Newsgroup header. Whatever newsgroups are in the
header when you send the post are the newsgroups to which you are posting.
This is how Usenet has worked since the beginning.
I suggest that the atheists eliminate that address from their posts to
ARCB in response to me.
Why should we do the work?
I'm only interested in the atheist interface with the Baptists.
That's not my problem.
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Well yeah! Geez, you didn't get the memo?
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
Is that paisley you're wearing?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
- Seneca the Younger
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30 Nov 2006 09:37:12 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:54:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
snip
That's not my problem.
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Well yeah! Geez, you didn't get the memo?
Hon, I NEVER get the memo!
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
Is that paisley you're wearing?
Basic black, baby! :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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30 Nov 2006 11:37:56 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:37:12 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NtudnT6FEcN3bvPYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:54:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
snip
That's not my problem.
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Well yeah! Geez, you didn't get the memo?
Hon, I NEVER get the memo!
I've heard that.
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
Is that paisley you're wearing?
Basic black, baby! :)
Is there any other color?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Christianity is to religions as Windows is to operating systems.
-Scott (#1045)
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30 Nov 2006 11:50:59 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NtudnV-FEcNpi_LYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:37:12 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:NtudnT6FEcN3bvPYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:54:16 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
snip
That's not my problem.
I see. This is all MY fault, right?
Well yeah! Geez, you didn't get the memo?
Hon, I NEVER get the memo!
I've heard that.
Well, those that don't like my posts are graciously invited to quit
their
whining and killfile me. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest ;)
Is that paisley you're wearing?
Basic black, baby! :)
Is there any other color?
Not for me. I confuse people when I don't wear black ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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28 Nov 2006 09:32:18 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:18:26 GMT, in alt.atheism
"SongBookz" <NOSPAM@NOWAY.net> wrote in
<6_6bh.7326$yf7.5775@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
elevating their belief from a "I don't believe" to "I don't want you to
believe." Which is a good part of the reason that atheism (at least as
practiced by the antitheists on usenet - I've met no other kind) is a
religion.
Well, the purpose of alt.atheism was to give atheists a place to discuss
whatever they want. Unfortunately a bunch of vulgar liars who claim to
be Christian but seem incapable of following a single teaching of Jesus,
have come into the group to proselytize. Most of us live in the US. It's
impossible not to know what Christianity is. If you fake Christians
don't want to be called on your lies and mocked for the lies you tell to
sell your personal doctrines, then keep your mendacious posts out of
alt.atheism.
No one here is trying to force you to be an atheist. We just aren't
going to let you lie without speaking out. If you want to tell lies and
have everyone say "Hallelujah" tell your lies at a church that lies
frauds like you.
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28 Nov 2006 09:38:24 PM |
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SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
elevating their belief from a "I don't believe" to "I don't want you to
believe." Which is a good part of the reason that atheism (at least as
practiced by the antitheists on usenet - I've met no other kind) is a
religion.
Then stop reading the atheist's news groups.
Funny how you people are always telling others what to say, hear, see,
do, and believe. But you forget that all computers have an off switch.
If you don't like it, don't go looking for it.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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28 Nov 2006 09:53:04 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vubv34-p8u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is
a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to
be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group
to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
elevating their belief from a "I don't believe" to "I don't want you to
believe." Which is a good part of the reason that atheism (at least as
practiced by the antitheists on usenet - I've met no other kind) is a
religion.
Then stop reading the atheist's news groups.
I don't read atheist groups, I read only two usenet groups:
alt.religion.christian.baptist and free.christians.
--
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.songbookz.com
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29 Nov 2006 09:14:34 AM |
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In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
news:vubv34-p8u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is
a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to
be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group
to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
elevating their belief from a "I don't believe" to "I don't want you to
believe." Which is a good part of the reason that atheism (at least as
practiced by the antitheists on usenet - I've met no other kind) is a
religion.
Then stop reading the atheist's news groups.
I don't read atheist groups, I read only two usenet groups:
alt.religion.christian.baptist and free.christians.
And my news server only carries comp. and alt.atheism.
Guess what junior, you're reading alt.atheims. Get over it.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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29 Nov 2006 02:42:10 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:53:04 +0000, SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vubv34-p8u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is
a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to
be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group
to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
elevating their belief from a "I don't believe" to "I don't want you to
believe." Which is a good part of the reason that atheism (at least as
practiced by the antitheists on usenet - I've met no other kind) is a
religion.
Then stop reading the atheist's news groups.
I don't read atheist groups, I read only two usenet groups:
alt.religion.christian.baptist and free.christians.
Yet you cross post *into alt.atheism.
Oh yes you did.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
------------------------------------------------------------
"Creationists criticize evolutionists for the demeaning idea
of 'coming from apes' and say that man is more noble than
that, and then have sermons where man is called a miserable
worm worthy to be burned eternally in hell."
-William Bagley
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29 Nov 2006 12:24:02 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:53:04 GMT, "SongBookz" <NOSPAM@NOWAY.net>
wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vubv34-p8u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:45av34-t2u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
news:a8eu34-jeq.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:od1om2lsk3t5lvqd0q7r6546b5v4elrcc9@4ax.com...
On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is
a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to
be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group
to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
elevating their belief from a "I don't believe" to "I don't want you to
believe." Which is a good part of the reason that atheism (at least as
practiced by the antitheists on usenet - I've met no other kind) is a
religion.
Then stop reading the atheist's news groups.
I don't read atheist groups, I read only two usenet groups:
alt.religion.christian.baptist and free.christians.
You certainly post to atheist groups.
Take responsibility for what you do. I know that's not a Christian
trait, but give it a try.
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28 Nov 2006 10:20:50 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:53:04 GMT, in alt.atheism
"SongBookz" <NOSPAM@NOWAY.net> wrote in
<Au7bh.1137$Py2.346@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:vubv34-p8u.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
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SongBookz wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylor@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com> wrote in message
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In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
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Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are
either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is
nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is
a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to
be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Certainly, I accept the doctrine that there are no living unicorns
pending
further information - but I'm not going to start a group to promote the
doctrine.
Then why is it so hard for you to understand that an atheist is simply
someone that does not practice theism, pending further evidence.
There is a difference and it lies in "but I'm not going to start a group
to
promote the doctrine." Which the antitheists on usenet have done -
elevating their belief from a "I don't believe" to "I don't want you to
believe." Which is a good part of the reason that atheism (at least as
practiced by the antitheists on usenet - I've met no other kind) is a
religion.
Then stop reading the atheist's news groups.
I don't read atheist groups, I read only two usenet groups:
alt.religion.christian.baptist and free.christians.
Sometimes things are cross-posted. That's life. If you don't ever want
to be criticized for your postings, don't post.
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: Why? |
28 Nov 2006 10:28:20 PM |
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From my Inbox this evening...
Why, Why, Why
Why do we press harder on a remote control when we know the batteries are
going dead?
Why do banks charge a fee on "insufficient funds" when they know there is
not enough money?
Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but
check when you say the paint is wet?
Why doesnt glue stick to the bottle?
Why do they use sterilized needles for death by lethal injection?
Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard?
Why does Superman stop bullets with his chest, but ducks when you throw a
revolver at him?
Why do Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Whose idea was it to put an "S" in the word "Lisp"?
If people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
Why is it that no matter what color bubble bath you use the bubbles are
always white?
Is there ever a day that mattresses are not on sale?
Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that
something new to eat will have materialized?
Why do people keep running over a string a dozen times with their vacuum
cleaner, then reach down, pick it up, examine it, then put it down to give
the vacuum one more chance?
Why is it that no plastic bag will open from the end on your first try?
How do those dead bugs get into those enclosed light fixtures?
When we are in the supermarket and someone rams our ankle with a shopping
cart then apologizes for doing so, why do we say, "It's all right?" Well, it
isn't all right, so why don't we say, "That hurt, you stupid idiot?"
Why is it that whenever you attempt to catch something that's falling off
the table you always manage to knock something else over?
In winter why do we try to keep the house as warm as it was in summer when
we complained about the heat?
How come you never hear father-in-law jokes?
And my FAVORITE.....
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering
from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if
they're okay, then it's you. I've done my job and sent this to all of you,
now it's up to you to send it on, if you like. :-)
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Why? |
29 Nov 2006 06:53:05 AM |
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"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> wrote in alt.atheism
If people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
Dogs evolved from wolves and there are still wolves. What's the
problem?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why? |
29 Nov 2006 09:52:29 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:28:20 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
From my Inbox this evening...
Why, Why, Why
Why do we press harder on a remote control when we know the batteries are
going dead?
Why do banks charge a fee on "insufficient funds" when they know there is
not enough money?
Why does someone believe you when you say there are four billion stars, but
check when you say the paint is wet?
Why doesnt glue stick to the bottle?
Why do they use sterilized needles for death by lethal injection?
Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard?
Why does Superman stop bullets with his chest, but ducks when you throw a
revolver at him?
Why do Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Whose idea was it to put an "S" in the word "Lisp"?
If people evolved from apes, why are there still apes?
Why is it that no matter what color bubble bath you use the bubbles are
always white?
Is there ever a day that mattresses are not on sale?
Why do people constantly return to the refrigerator with hopes that
something new to eat will have materialized?
Why do people keep running over a string a dozen times with their vacuum
cleaner, then reach down, pick it up, examine it, then put it down to give
the vacuum one more chance?
Why is it that no plastic bag will open from the end on your first try?
How do those dead bugs get into those enclosed light fixtures?
When we are in the supermarket and someone rams our ankle with a shopping
cart then apologizes for doing so, why do we say, "It's all right?" Well, it
isn't all right, so why don't we say, "That hurt, you stupid idiot?"
Why is it that whenever you attempt to catch something that's falling off
the table you always manage to knock something else over?
In winter why do we try to keep the house as warm as it was in summer when
we complained about the heat?
How come you never hear father-in-law jokes?
And my FAVORITE.....
The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four persons is suffering
from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends -- if
they're okay, then it's you. I've done my job and sent this to all of you,
now it's up to you to send it on, if you like. :-)
Thanks for the laughs, Mike!! :O)
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they areantitheists |
29 Nov 2006 10:48:13 AM |
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Piggybacking, since I plonked the *****.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:20:50 -0600, Free Lunch wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:53:04 GMT, in alt.atheism
"SongBookz" <NOSPAM@NOWAY.net> wrote in
I don't read atheist groups, I read only two usenet groups:
alt.religion.christian.baptist and free.christians.
That's an outright lie. The latest troll this ***** posted was a new
thread (NOT a followup) _crossposted_ between those groups and alt.atheism.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they areantitheists |
29 Nov 2006 02:42:49 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:48:13 -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote:
Piggybacking, since I plonked the *****.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:20:50 -0600, Free Lunch wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 03:53:04 GMT, in alt.atheism
"SongBookz" <NOSPAM@NOWAY.net> wrote in
I don't read atheist groups, I read only two usenet groups:
alt.religion.christian.baptist and free.christians.
That's an outright lie. The latest troll this ***** posted was a new
thread (NOT a followup) _crossposted_ between those groups and alt.atheism.
Uh huh.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Cazador" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they are antitheists |
28 Nov 2006 04:36:50 PM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
Let's be precise here, Rev. Do you believe that there is no deity? If
so you qualify to be an atheist. But remember, the operative word has
to be "believe".
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Yes, atheism is pretty silly. One certainly wouldn't want to leap to
such baseless and therefore improvident conclusions. To do so means you
join our Baptist friends here.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
Ignorant, Rev. The vast majority of great men in the last thousand
years of Western Civilization were religionists, theists or deists of
one sort of another. You might wish to count the atheists. You won't
find many as the doctrine is primitive and unappealing to sophisticated
people. Einstein was not an atheist.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: most "atheists" who post in here are not atheists they are antitheists |
28 Nov 2006 09:10:33 PM |
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Cazador wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
In alt.atheism SongBookz <NOSPAM@noway.net> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On 28 Nov 2006 01:41:16 -0800, "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk>
wrote:
Cazador skrev:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
snip
Vile nonsense. Political ideology combined with militant atheism
motivated the killings of thousands in the Soviet Union. You are either
ignorant of the history or a person for whom it does not matter.
Since atheism is not a philosophy of any kind, your claim is nonsense.
What makes you think I am a believer? My point is that atheism is a
belief system as is religion.
If it is a system, name two beliefs that an atheist must accept to be
an atheist.
They must accept the doctrine that there "is no God or gods."
Wrongo buzz cut.
Till you provide that objective evidence everyone keeps talking about,
there is no doctrine of "no whatever".
Let's be precise here, Rev. Do you believe that there is no deity? If
so you qualify to be an atheist. But remember, the operative word has
to be "believe".
BUZZZTTT, Wrong.
If you claim it, you need to prove it. So far, I've seen no objective
evidence to support the claim.
Got some?
That is unless you want to profess your belief in the doctrine of
"there are no unicorns".
Yes, atheism is pretty silly. One certainly wouldn't want to leap to
such baseless and therefore improvident conclusions. To do so means you
join our Baptist friends here.
See above.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
Ignorant, Rev. The vast majority of great men in the last thousand
years of Western Civilization were religionists, theists or deists of
one sort of another. You might wish to count the atheists. You won't
find many as the doctrine is primitive and unappealing to sophisticated
people. Einstein was not an atheist.
Nice to see you have no understanding of what it means.
Thanks for playing.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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