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21 Jul 2006 08:18:34 AM |
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Atheism origin |
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it. But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp. These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
Peter
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
03 Aug 2006 12:28:55 PM |
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wrote:
Besides, energy in its radiant form (photons) is immaterial:
it has no mass, weight, or dimensions, but has a powerful effect in
everything it touches. It is up to us to reach the appropriate
conclusion.
You know zip about science.
This is all wrong.
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"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent
men without religion, and religious men without
intelligence".
- Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
04 Aug 2006 12:36:42 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12d71042ck7em67@corp.supernews.com...
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Besides, energy in its radiant form (photons) is immaterial:
it has no mass, weight, or dimensions, but has a powerful effect in
everything it touches. It is up to us to reach the appropriate
conclusion.
You know zip about science.
Irony.
This is all wrong.
Barwell's answer to everything.
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| User: "wcb" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
03 Aug 2006 08:19:55 PM |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
Besides, energy in its radiant form (photons) is immaterial:
it has no mass, weight, or dimensions, but has a powerful effect in
everything it touches. It is up to us to reach the appropriate
conclusion.
You know zip about science.
Irony.
You are aware that photons have frequency, and length?
No. And a photon has mass. Energy = mass, and in photons
this is refered to as relativistic mass.
Photons have zero rest mass, but that is not ths same as
zero rest mass. Mass with photons works different from
leptons and hadrons.
Try a few basic beginner's online science sites.
where h is a constant (Planck's constant) and f the frequency of the photon
(don't forget that the photon is an electromagnetic WAVE and has a
frequency). If we combine these two equations, we come up with the
following,which gives us the mass of a photon
mc2 = hf => m=hf/c2
which means that though photons don't have rest mass, they do have energy
and thus they have mass. The photons are wave particles. This means that
they act as waves and as particles as well. This is the duality of the
nature of light (and of every particles). And so as particles they have
mass, and as waves they have frequency. The pressure they exert is due to
the particle nature of light. It's easy now to understand the mechanism
that causes this pressure.
--
"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent
men without religion, and religious men without
intelligence".
- Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri (973-1057; Syrian poet)
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Gandalf Grey" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
04 Aug 2006 11:05:39 PM |
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"wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:12d7sjk935m76c2@corp.supernews.com...
Gandalf Grey wrote:
Besides, energy in its radiant form (photons) is immaterial:
it has no mass, weight, or dimensions, but has a powerful effect in
everything it touches. It is up to us to reach the appropriate
conclusion.
You know zip about science.
Irony.
You are aware
that you're a puffed up windbag.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
04 Aug 2006 07:12:56 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:28:55 -0500, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
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Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Besides, energy in its radiant form (photons) is immaterial:
it has no mass, weight, or dimensions, but has a powerful effect in
everything it touches. It is up to us to reach the appropriate
conclusion.
You know zip about science.
This is all wrong.
Quite.
Like Creationists' lies' every little bit of science that Oakfield
vomits up is just plain wrong.
If he were wiling to learn a little, and not so downright combative in
his abject ignorance, I would consider going through each point with
him.
But he has revealed that he prefers the short-term ease of ignorance,
and will expend much time and energy to guard it.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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04 Aug 2006 12:58:26 PM |
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wrote:
Mama wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:55:42 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:02:44 GMT, Mama <wackymomma@childrenstation.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On 31 Jul 2006 05:19:30 -0700, wrote:
JessHC wrote:
wrote:
JessHC wrote:
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 15:28:07 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154212087.503185.191060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
JessHC wrote:
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So? Prove they don't exist.
Suppose that a man -let's call him grammarian- invented grammar.
But you 'proved' a while back that man could never invent anything
new!
Make your friggin' mind up!
You
cannot use grammar to prove that the grammarian never existed. In the
same way, you cannot use science to prove that God, who created
science, does not exist.
Peter
We want you to support YOUR claims, mate.
That's all.
You have not got even close to doing so.
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then how does your god have any power over us?
He gave us freedom.
You dodged another question. How can "something that does not belong
to the physical world" and something for which there "cannot be a
physical demonstration" have any effect on a physical world?
Good question.
Peter
Do you have an answer?
/Peter
No, but I shan't admit it.
Obviously, unfortunately.
If I may, I would like to summarize my viewpoint:
God is supposed to have had no beginning and to have no end. In other
words, God is supposed to be eternal. Moreover, God is supposed to be
immaterial. Since, understandably, someone may find this too incredible
to be acceptable, I think God has bothered to give us three example of
things that have exactly the same characteristics: space, time, and
energy. Space and time, one can clearly deduce that, of necessity, must
have always existed, and will continue to exist. And physics teaches us
that energy is always conserved, that it cannot be created or
destroyed. This means that whatever amount of energy there is now in
the universe, must have always existed, and will continue to exist
forever. Besides, energy in its radiant form (photons) is immaterial:
it has no mass, weight, or dimensions, but has a powerful effect in
everything it touches. It is up to us to reach the appropriate
conclusion.
Maybe if you post this again, God will come into existence.
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Aug 2006 08:35:29 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:08:45 GMT, Mama <wackymomma@childrenstation.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:55:42 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:02:44 GMT, Mama <wackymomma@childrenstation.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On 31 Jul 2006 05:19:30 -0700, wrote:
JessHC wrote:
wrote:
JessHC wrote:
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 15:28:07 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154212087.503185.191060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
JessHC wrote:
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So? Prove they don't exist.
Suppose that a man -let's call him grammarian- invented grammar.
But you 'proved' a while back that man could never invent anything
new!
Make your friggin' mind up!
You
cannot use grammar to prove that the grammarian never existed. In the
same way, you cannot use science to prove that God, who created
science, does not exist.
Peter
We want you to support YOUR claims, mate.
That's all.
You have not got even close to doing so.
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then how does your god have any power over us?
He gave us freedom.
You dodged another question. How can "something that does not belong
to the physical world" and something for which there "cannot be a
physical demonstration" have any effect on a physical world?
Good question.
Peter
Do you have an answer?
/Peter
No, but I shan't admit it.
Obviously, unfortunately.
Verily.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
03 Aug 2006 08:56:40 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:30:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On 30 Jul 2006 06:15:38 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154265338.037275.25700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 15:28:07 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154212087.503185.191060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
JessHC wrote:
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So? Prove they don't exist.
Suppose that a man -let's call him grammarian- invented grammar.
But you 'proved' a while back that man could never invent anything
new!
Make your friggin' mind up!
You
cannot use grammar to prove that the grammarian never existed. In the
same way, you cannot use science to prove that God, who created
science, does not exist.
Peter
We want you to support YOUR claims, mate.
That's all.
You have not got even close to doing so.
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
04 Aug 2006 03:46:09 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:56:40 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <caa5d2pll6i97gest5ie31ncjn9v3g2qta@4ax.com>
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:30:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On 30 Jul 2006 06:15:38 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154265338.037275.25700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 15:28:07 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154212087.503185.191060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
JessHC wrote:
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So? Prove they don't exist.
Suppose that a man -let's call him grammarian- invented grammar.
But you 'proved' a while back that man could never invent anything
new!
Make your friggin' mind up!
You
cannot use grammar to prove that the grammarian never existed. In the
same way, you cannot use science to prove that God, who created
science, does not exist.
Peter
We want you to support YOUR claims, mate.
That's all.
You have not got even close to doing so.
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
07 Aug 2006 08:41:18 PM |
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:16:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:56:40 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <caa5d2pll6i97gest5ie31ncjn9v3g2qta@4ax.com>
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:30:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On 30 Jul 2006 06:15:38 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154265338.037275.25700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 15:28:07 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154212087.503185.191060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
JessHC wrote:
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So? Prove they don't exist.
Suppose that a man -let's call him grammarian- invented grammar.
But you 'proved' a while back that man could never invent anything
new!
Make your friggin' mind up!
You
cannot use grammar to prove that the grammarian never existed. In the
same way, you cannot use science to prove that God, who created
science, does not exist.
Peter
We want you to support YOUR claims, mate.
That's all.
You have not got even close to doing so.
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Aug 2006 10:29:03 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:41:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qqqfd29ph2jgf3q8i4cfh2bspob5p8mic3@4ax.com>
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:16:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:56:40 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <caa5d2pll6i97gest5ie31ncjn9v3g2qta@4ax.com>
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:30:41 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On 30 Jul 2006 06:15:38 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154265338.037275.25700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 15:28:07 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154212087.503185.191060@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
JessHC wrote:
:
So? Prove they don't exist.
Suppose that a man -let's call him grammarian- invented grammar.
But you 'proved' a while back that man could never invent anything
new!
Make your friggin' mind up!
You
cannot use grammar to prove that the grammarian never existed. In the
same way, you cannot use science to prove that God, who created
science, does not exist.
Peter
We want you to support YOUR claims, mate.
That's all.
You have not got even close to doing so.
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
09 Aug 2006 07:50:26 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:59:03 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:41:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qqqfd29ph2jgf3q8i4cfh2bspob5p8mic3@4ax.com>
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:16:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
14 Aug 2006 12:02:29 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:56:43 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:50:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <fk0ld2505vk4eakb3euk8562ajd4l0hcdb@4ax.com>
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:59:03 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:41:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qqqfd29ph2jgf3q8i4cfh2bspob5p8mic3@4ax.com>
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:16:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
I do believe that the surviving descendents of the original
inhabitants of the Americas may agree, and rightly so.
Same with Oz. :\
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
15 Aug 2006 02:07:31 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:02:29 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <b4b1e29bh8pmdmmqi1o5bflsnufj79dkbg@4ax.com>
On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:56:43 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:50:26 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <fk0ld2505vk4eakb3euk8562ajd4l0hcdb@4ax.com>
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:59:03 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:41:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <qqqfd29ph2jgf3q8i4cfh2bspob5p8mic3@4ax.com>
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:16:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
I do believe that the surviving descendents of the original
inhabitants of the Americas may agree, and rightly so.
Same with Oz. :\
I don't think the Tin Man had any offspring.
Or were they the cans lying around?
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
16 Aug 2006 12:30:32 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:02:29 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <b4b1e29bh8pmdmmqi1o5bflsnufj79dkbg@4ax.com>
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
I do believe that the surviving descendents of the original
inhabitants of the Americas may agree, and rightly so.
Same with Oz. :\
I don't think the Tin Man had any offspring.
Or were they the cans lying around?
Quite uncanney, ey?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
17 Aug 2006 07:51:21 PM |
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:30:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ugl6e25d07l2p49ds8ftj5rbehfbt7jtgu@4ax.com>
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:02:29 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <b4b1e29bh8pmdmmqi1o5bflsnufj79dkbg@4ax.com>
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
I do believe that the surviving descendents of the original
inhabitants of the Americas may agree, and rightly so.
Same with Oz. :\
I don't think the Tin Man had any offspring.
Or were they the cans lying around?
Quite uncanney, ey?
Why do they have to all be sardine tins, though?
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20 Aug 2006 09:52:51 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:21:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:30:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ugl6e25d07l2p49ds8ftj5rbehfbt7jtgu@4ax.com>
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:02:29 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <b4b1e29bh8pmdmmqi1o5bflsnufj79dkbg@4ax.com>
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
I do believe that the surviving descendents of the original
inhabitants of the Americas may agree, and rightly so.
Same with Oz. :\
I don't think the Tin Man had any offspring.
Or were they the cans lying around?
Quite uncanney, ey?
Why do they have to all be sardine tins, though?
Oil conservation....
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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21 Aug 2006 08:56:21 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:52:51 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lptge2lkvhrj4eda8oc8p6ea1ugc3cbeh8@4ax.com>
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:21:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:30:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ugl6e25d07l2p49ds8ftj5rbehfbt7jtgu@4ax.com>
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:02:29 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <b4b1e29bh8pmdmmqi1o5bflsnufj79dkbg@4ax.com>
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
I do believe that the surviving descendents of the original
inhabitants of the Americas may agree, and rightly so.
Same with Oz. :\
I don't think the Tin Man had any offspring.
Or were they the cans lying around?
Quite uncanney, ey?
Why do they have to all be sardine tins, though?
Oil conservation....
Cheney has a hand in everything these days.
Curse you *****!
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Aug 2006 07:42:23 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:26:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:52:51 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lptge2lkvhrj4eda8oc8p6ea1ugc3cbeh8@4ax.com>
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:21:21 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:30:32 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <ugl6e25d07l2p49ds8ftj5rbehfbt7jtgu@4ax.com>
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:02:29 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <b4b1e29bh8pmdmmqi1o5bflsnufj79dkbg@4ax.com>
[]
I said if before, and I'll say it again: There cannot be a physical
demonstration of something that does not belong to the physical world.
Then you admit that your fantasy world is just that, eh?
Well, at least that's settled.
Your gods exist only in your mind.
It has no mind.
Damn!
There I go again, giving a Fundy the benefit of the intellectual
doubt.
I have to stop doing that.
It is the path to certain disappointment.
It's quite understandable. You folks in Oz got the higher class of
people, honest convicts instead of raving maniacs with a continent to
fill.
Yep.
Ask an Aussie for money, and he'll give you all his cash.
Ask him for shelter, and he'll give you his home.
As him for a bite to eat, and he'll share his meal.
You don't even have to ask him for a beer, you'll have one thrust in
your parched hand.
But you can't trust those white bastards to do the same.
That's 'Space Invaders' for you.
I do believe that the surviving descendents of the original
inhabitants of the Americas may agree, and rightly so.
Same with Oz. :\
I don't think the Tin Man had any offspring.
Or were they the cans lying around?
Quite uncanney, ey?
Why do they have to all be sardine tins, though?
Oil conservation....
Cheney has a hand in everything these days.
Curse you *****!
E's all ***** 'n no balls.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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29 Jul 2006 04:04:02 PM |
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wrote:
Homer J Simpson wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154202295.929910.284630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You do not have evidence that God does not exist.
Can you prove that any or all of these do not exist?
Abarimon
Abatwa
Agogwe
Ahriman
Aitvaras
Ajatar
Al
Amphisbaena
Angel
Apis
Argus
Aspare
Aswang
Aziza
Anubite
Automatas
Avengers
Bahamut
Baku
Bakhtak
Balaur
Bannik
Banshee
Barghest
Barbegazi
Basilisk
Baxajuan
Beast of Bodmin
Behemoth
Bigfoot
Bishop-fish
Boggart
Bolla
Boobrie
Bogeyman
Brownie (elf)
Broxa
Bunyip
Catoblepas
Centaur
Cerberus
Cherubim
Cherufe
Chimaera
Chupacabra
Cluricaun
Coblynau
Cockatrice
Crocotta
Crup
Cyclopes
Demon
Devil
Diwata (Philippines)
Domovoi (Russia)
Domowije (Poland)
Doppelgänger
Drac
Dragon (also, "Wyrm")
Oriental dragon
European dragon
Draug
Draugr
Drekavac
Drop Bear
Drow (Folklore)
Dryad (also Driad)
Duergar (Folklore)
Dvergr
Dwarf
Dybbuk
Elf
Eloko
Encantado
Ettin
Fairy
Faun
Feeorin
Fenris
Fire Bird
Fox Fairy
Frost Giant
Gaki
Gancanagh
Gargoyle
Garuda
Genie
Ghost
Ghoul
Giant (of mythology and folklore)
Giant animals
Giant squid (Kraken)
Gnome
Goblin
Golden Hind
Golem
Gorgon
Gorken
Gremlin
Grendel
Griffin
Guivre
Gwyllgi
Gwyllion
Haetae
Hag
Harpy
Hellhound
Hippogriff
Hitotsume-kozou
Hobgoblin
Huldrefolk
Huldra
Hydra
Hypocampus
Ifrit
Imp
Ixionidae
Jackalope
Jack in the green
Jengu
Jersey Devil
Jikininki
Jormungand
Kabouter
Kallikantzaroi
Kappa
Kapre
Karkadann
Kelpie
Kishi (Folklore)
Kitsune
Knockers
Kobold
Kraken
Kujuta
Kumiho
lake monster
Lammasu
Leprechaun
Leshii
Leviathan
Leyak
Liderc
Loch Ness monster
Lostchijd
Loup Garou
Lycanthrope
Lampades (Mythology)
Maal
Manananggal
Manticore
Mara
Menehune
Merfolk
Merrow
Midwayer
Mimi
Minotaur
Mitmitke
Monster
Mummy
Myling
Medusa
Mountain Giant (also known as Mountain King)
Naga
Naiad
Nereid
Nightmare
Nix
Nixie
Nue
Nukekubi
Nuckelavee
Nymph
Dryad
Naiad
Oread
Níðhöggr
Ngoro
Ogopogo
Ogre
Onager
Oni
Opinicus
Orc
Oread
Orochi
Ouroboros
Ovinnik
Panther (legendary creature)
Patagonian Giant
Patupairehe
Pegasus
Phoenix
Piasa
Pixie
Polevik
Poltergeist
Pooka
Ponaturi
Puck (mythology)
Prometheans
Pukis
Piddy
Rabisu
Raiju
Rakshasa
Redcap
Ridgelings
Roc
Rokurokubi
Rusalka
Salamander
Samebito
Satyr
Sea monster
Sea serpent
Seelie
Selkie
Serpopard
Shedim
Sidehill Gouger
Simargl
Simurgh
Sirena
Skvader
Sleipnir
Sluagh
Snallygaster
Spectre
Sphinx
Spriggan
Sprite
Squonk
Sun Imps
Stryx
Taniwha
Tanuki
Tarasque
Tengu
Terrordactyl
Tennin
Thunderbird
Titan
Tikbalang
Tomte
Tonttu
Triton
Troll
Trowe
Talos
Unicorn
Unwaba
Vampire
Vetter
Vodyanoy
Valkyrie
Voadkyn
Werecat
Werewolf
Wichtlein
Wight
Witte Wieven
White Horse hungarian
Wolpertinger
Wraith
Wyvern
Yale
Yamata no Orochi
Yama-uba
Yeti
Yokai
Yuan-ti
Yuki-onna
Yuurei
Zombie
I do not know any of them.
Peter
And I don't know yours.
See, simple. In the end, they are all the same, myths.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
29 Jul 2006 06:33:41 PM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 13:23:27 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154204607.275046.81380@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
Homer J Simpson wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154202295.929910.284630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You do not have evidence that God does not exist.
Can you prove that any or all of these do not exist?
Abarimon
Abatwa
Agogwe
Ahriman
Aitvaras
Ajatar
Al
Amphisbaena
Angel
Apis
Argus
Aspare
Aswang
Aziza
Anubite
Automatas
Avengers
Bahamut
Baku
Bakhtak
Balaur
Bannik
Banshee
Barghest
Barbegazi
Basilisk
Baxajuan
Beast of Bodmin
Behemoth
Bigfoot
Bishop-fish
Boggart
Bolla
Boobrie
Bogeyman
Brownie (elf)
Broxa
Bunyip
Catoblepas
Centaur
Cerberus
Cherubim
Cherufe
Chimaera
Chupacabra
Cluricaun
Coblynau
Cockatrice
Crocotta
Crup
Cyclopes
Demon
Devil
Diwata (Philippines)
Domovoi (Russia)
Domowije (Poland)
Doppelgänger
Drac
Dragon (also, "Wyrm")
Oriental dragon
European dragon
Draug
Draugr
Drekavac
Drop Bear
Drow (Folklore)
Dryad (also Driad)
Duergar (Folklore)
Dvergr
Dwarf
Dybbuk
Elf
Eloko
Encantado
Ettin
Fairy
Faun
Feeorin
Fenris
Fire Bird
Fox Fairy
Frost Giant
Gaki
Gancanagh
Gargoyle
Garuda
Genie
Ghost
Ghoul
Giant (of mythology and folklore)
Giant animals
Giant squid (Kraken)
Gnome
Goblin
Golden Hind
Golem
Gorgon
Gorken
Gremlin
Grendel
Griffin
Guivre
Gwyllgi
Gwyllion
Haetae
Hag
Harpy
Hellhound
Hippogriff
Hitotsume-kozou
Hobgoblin
Huldrefolk
Huldra
Hydra
Hypocampus
Ifrit
Imp
Ixionidae
Jackalope
Jack in the green
Jengu
Jersey Devil
Jikininki
Jormungand
Kabouter
Kallikantzaroi
Kappa
Kapre
Karkadann
Kelpie
Kishi (Folklore)
Kitsune
Knockers
Kobold
Kraken
Kujuta
Kumiho
lake monster
Lammasu
Leprechaun
Leshii
Leviathan
Leyak
Liderc
Loch Ness monster
Lostchijd
Loup Garou
Lycanthrope
Lampades (Mythology)
Maal
Manananggal
Manticore
Mara
Menehune
Merfolk
Merrow
Midwayer
Mimi
Minotaur
Mitmitke
Monster
Mummy
Myling
Medusa
Mountain Giant (also known as Mountain King)
Naga
Naiad
Nereid
Nightmare
Nix
Nixie
Nue
Nukekubi
Nuckelavee
Nymph
Dryad
Naiad
Oread
Níðhöggr
Ngoro
Ogopogo
Ogre
Onager
Oni
Opinicus
Orc
Oread
Orochi
Ouroboros
Ovinnik
Panther (legendary creature)
Patagonian Giant
Patupairehe
Pegasus
Phoenix
Piasa
Pixie
Polevik
Poltergeist
Pooka
Ponaturi
Puck (mythology)
Prometheans
Pukis
Piddy
Rabisu
Raiju
Rakshasa
Redcap
Ridgelings
Roc
Rokurokubi
Rusalka
Salamander
Samebito
Satyr
Sea monster
Sea serpent
Seelie
Selkie
Serpopard
Shedim
Sidehill Gouger
Simargl
Simurgh
Sirena
Skvader
Sleipnir
Sluagh
Snallygaster
Spectre
Sphinx
Spriggan
Sprite
Squonk
Sun Imps
Stryx
Taniwha
Tanuki
Tarasque
Tengu
Terrordactyl
Tennin
Thunderbird
Titan
Tikbalang
Tomte
Tonttu
Triton
Troll
Trowe
Talos
Unicorn
Unwaba
Vampire
Vetter
Vodyanoy
Valkyrie
Voadkyn
Werecat
Werewolf
Wichtlein
Wight
Witte Wieven
White Horse hungarian
Wolpertinger
Wraith
Wyvern
Yale
Yamata no Orochi
Yama-uba
Yeti
Yokai
Yuan-ti
Yuki-onna
Yuurei
Zombie
I do not know any of them.
You are either a transparent and childish liar, or your ignorance
knows no bounds.
I am betting on it being both.
--
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29 Jul 2006 04:14:14 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:23:27 -0700, Poakfield wrote:
Homer J Simpson wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1154202295.929910.284630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You do not have evidence that God does not exist.
Can you prove that any or all of these do not exist?
[list snipped for length]
I do not know any of them.
That's not what he asked, dumbass.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
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| User: "JessHC" |
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29 Jul 2006 05:14:18 PM |
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wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 09:38:19 -0700, in alt.atheism
wrote in
<1154191099.596672.293510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
JessHC wrote:
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 07:25:10 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154096710.100577.266320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154089667.472101.73930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154034599.463539.252050@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154033445.636909.324120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
snip
Not at all: God wants us to be honest. He will not punish us for
being
honest. Besides, the Bible says that "The will of God is that all be
saved."
Then what's with all the "unbelievers are going to hell" crap?
Now, that doesn't make sense, does it?
Well, duh, of course not.
God wants us to use our
intelligence and be honest
Told you this directly, eh?
. My intelligence tells me that if I don't
believe in something, I don't believe it. I cannot dishonestly pretend
I believe in something I do not. I think we have to follow our
conscience and we will be safe.
Safe from "what"?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Safe from harm or risk, not in this world, though.
What other world is there?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
There is another world, which is not in this world.
Prove it.
We have the word of God and millions of witnesses.
Ah. Argument from numbers.
When you go to a court of law, and the judge or the jury do not believe
you, you present witnesses. No?
Yes, witnesses. They are less reliable than physical evidence, but they
are the best available when there is an absence of physical evidence. Of
course, for the most part, we do not allow hearsay into court,
particularly self-serving hearsay.
No claims in the Bible could be admitted into court by themselves. A few
of the facts of history that have been corroborated by physical or other
evidence might be allowed.
There is no evidence that you have "The Word of God". There is no
evidence that you have any witnesses to the existence of another world.
Those are parts of a religious faith, not of facts.
You do not have evidence that God does not exist.
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum%20ad%20ignorantiam
Argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument to ignorance). This is the fallacy
of assuming something is true simply because it hasn't been proven
false. For example, someone might argue that global warming is
certainly occurring because nobody has demonstrated conclusively that
it is not. But failing to prove the global warming theory false is not
the same as proving it true.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
29 Jul 2006 05:57:53 PM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 15:14:18 -0700, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
<PIGGYBACKING>
You do not have evidence that God does not exist.
I also have no evidence that elves, fairies, unicorns, dragons and
werewolves don't exist. Does that mean they do?
There is no such thing as evidence that something does not exist.
Nonexistence is inferred from the *lack* of evidence that the thing in
question *does* exist. There is no evidence that any gods exist,
including yours. Ergo....
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum%20ad%20ignorantiam
Argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument to ignorance). This is the fallacy
of assuming something is true simply because it hasn't been proven
false. For example, someone might argue that global warming is
certainly occurring because nobody has demonstrated conclusively that
it is not. But failing to prove the global warming theory false is not
the same as proving it true.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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29 Jul 2006 03:02:29 PM |
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wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 09:38:19 -0700, in alt.atheism
wrote in
<1154191099.596672.293510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
JessHC wrote:
wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 07:25:10 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154096710.100577.266320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154089667.472101.73930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154034599.463539.252050@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154033445.636909.324120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
snip
Not at all: God wants us to be honest. He will not punish us for
being
honest. Besides, the Bible says that "The will of God is that all be
saved."
Then what's with all the "unbelievers are going to hell" crap?
Now, that doesn't make sense, does it?
Well, duh, of course not.
God wants us to use our
intelligence and be honest
Told you this directly, eh?
. My intelligence tells me that if I don't
believe in something, I don't believe it. I cannot dishonestly pretend
I believe in something I do not. I think we have to follow our
conscience and we will be safe.
Safe from "what"?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Safe from harm or risk, not in this world, though.
What other world is there?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
There is another world, which is not in this world.
Prove it.
We have the word of God and millions of witnesses.
Ah. Argument from numbers.
When you go to a court of law, and the judge or the jury do not believe
you, you present witnesses. No?
Yes, witnesses. They are less reliable than physical evidence, but they
are the best available when there is an absence of physical evidence. Of
course, for the most part, we do not allow hearsay into court,
particularly self-serving hearsay.
No claims in the Bible could be admitted into court by themselves. A few
of the facts of history that have been corroborated by physical or other
evidence might be allowed.
There is no evidence that you have "The Word of God". There is no
evidence that you have any witnesses to the existence of another world.
Those are parts of a religious faith, not of facts.
You do not have evidence that God does not exist.
Yup. The same evidence you have that unicorns do not exist.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 a=45, m=23, f=20
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
03 Aug 2006 08:47:24 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:02:29 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On 29 Jul 2006 09:38:19 -0700, in alt.atheism
Poakfield@msn.com wrote in
<1154191099.596672.293510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
JessHC wrote:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
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There is another world, which is not in this world.
Prove it.
We have the word of God and millions of witnesses.
Ah. Argument from numbers.
When you go to a court of law, and the judge or the jury do not believe
you, you present witnesses. No?
Yes, witnesses. They are less reliable than physical evidence, but they
are the best available when there is an absence of physical evidence. Of
course, for the most part, we do not allow hearsay into court,
particularly self-serving hearsay.
No claims in the Bible could be admitted into court by themselves. A few
of the facts of history that have been corroborated by physical or other
evidence might be allowed.
There is no evidence that you have "The Word of God". There is no
evidence that you have any witnesses to the existence of another world.
Those are parts of a religious faith, not of facts.
You do not have evidence that God does not exist.
Yup. The same evidence you have that unicorns do not exist.
Nope, there's objective supporting evidence 'God' does not exist.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
29 Jul 2006 06:31:06 PM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 04:22:53 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154172173.164567.131990@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Michael Gray wrote:
On 28 Jul 2006 07:25:10 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154096710.100577.266320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154089667.472101.73930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154034599.463539.252050@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154033445.636909.324120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
snip
Not at all: God wants us to be honest. He will not punish us for
being
honest. Besides, the Bible says that "The will of God is that all be
saved."
Then what's with all the "unbelievers are going to hell" crap?
Now, that doesn't make sense, does it?
Well, duh, of course not.
God wants us to use our
intelligence and be honest
Told you this directly, eh?
. My intelligence tells me that if I don't
believe in something, I don't believe it. I cannot dishonestly pretend
I believe in something I do not. I think we have to follow our
conscience and we will be safe.
Safe from "what"?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Safe from harm or risk, not in this world, though.
What other world is there?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
There is another world, which is not in this world.
Prove it.
We have the word of God and millions of witnesses.
You do NOT have the word of any 'god', liar.
I am astounded by the brazen manner in which you lie outright.
And the argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, which proves
nothing but the absence of any real point.
I ask again: Prove it.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
28 Jul 2006 09:50:05 AM |
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wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154034599.463539.252050@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154033445.636909.324120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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Not at all: God wants us to be honest. He will not punish us for being
honest. Besides, the Bible says that "The will of God is that all be
saved."
Then what's with all the "unbelievers are going to hell" crap?
Now, that doesn't make sense, does it?
Well, duh, of course not.
God wants us to use our
intelligence and be honest
Told you this directly, eh?
. My intelligence tells me that if I don't
believe in something, I don't believe it. I cannot dishonestly pretend
I believe in something I do not. I think we have to follow our
conscience and we will be safe.
Safe from "what"?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Safe from harm or risk, not in this world, though.
Then you aren't safe from harm or risk, are you?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
28 Jul 2006 10:27:09 AM |
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JessHC wrote:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1154034599.463539.252050@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1154033445.636909.324120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
snip
Not at all: God wants us to be honest. He will not punish us for being
honest. Besides, the Bible says that "The will of God is that all be
saved."
Then what's with all the "unbelievers are going to hell" crap?
Now, that doesn't make sense, does it?
Well, duh, of course not.
God wants us to use our
intelligence and be honest
Told you this directly, eh?
. My intelligence tells me that if I don't
believe in something, I don't believe it. I cannot dishonestly pretend
I believe in something I do not. I think we have to follow our
conscience and we will be safe.
Safe from "what"?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Safe from harm or risk, not in this world, though.
Then you aren't safe from harm or risk, are you?
Not in this world.
Peter
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
28 Jul 2006 08:29:30 AM |
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On 28 Jul 2006 05:27:47 -0700, wrote:
- Refer: <1154089667.472101.73930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154034599.463539.252050@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1154033445.636909.324120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
snip
Not at all: God wants us to be honest. He will not punish us for being
honest. Besides, the Bible says that "The will of God is that all be
saved."
Then what's with all the "unbelievers are going to hell" crap?
Now, that doesn't make sense, does it?
Well, duh, of course not.
God wants us to use our
intelligence and be honest
Told you this directly, eh?
. My intelligence tells me that if I don't
believe in something, I don't believe it. I cannot dishonestly pretend
I believe in something I do not. I think we have to follow our
conscience and we will be safe.
Safe from "what"?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
Safe from harm or risk, not in this world, though.
And which world would be in danger?
Krypton?
Or the one that is in your mind?
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