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21 Jul 2006 08:18:34 AM |
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Atheism origin |
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it. But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp. These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
Peter
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 09:58:21 AM |
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<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it.
Why, you wouldn't be talking about 'God' here, would you? That is sure some
'concept', *if* that's what you're referring to. An abstract construct, is
it not?
But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp.
As you can see from some of the replies; no they're not.
These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
So does that make concepts we do not understand necessarily, 'true', then?
And by the by: everyone seems to be aware of the basic 'concept' of 'God'.
We've been deluged with it. The problem is that not a single theist on the
planet has ever been able to prove the thing even exists. And yet people
worship and adore it. (And turned belief in something so devoid of reality
into a cash-cow and a source of great political power in the process.
'Tragic', if you ask me. Rife with the chance to abuse.)
I believe the expression that readily comes to mind is, 'blind faith'. And
you know how erroneous *that* often is. Why persist in delusion?
Greywolf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 10:40:43 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it.
Why, you wouldn't be talking about 'God' here, would you? That is sure some
'concept', *if* that's what you're referring to. An abstract construct, is
it not?
Somehow, we are not able to even imagine anything which is not made of
parts we already know. Try it, think of anything absolutely unique and
original.
But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp.
As you can see from some of the replies; no they're not.
They are facts. To say they are not, does not make them any less real.
These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
So does that make concepts we do not understand necessarily, 'true', then?
Absolutely not! They just show us that there are things beyond our
grasp.
And by the by: everyone seems to be aware of the basic 'concept' of 'God'.
Isn't that odd, since we are unable to imagine anything truly original?
Could it be that someone told them?
We've been deluged with it. The problem is that not a single theist on the
planet has ever been able to prove the thing even exists.
God is supposed to be a pure spirit. How could we, using material
things, prove the existence of a spirit?
And yet people
worship and adore it. (And turned belief in something so devoid of reality
into a cash-cow and a source of great political power in the process.
'Tragic', if you ask me. Rife with the chance to abuse.)
You are right. There are immoral people, who do not really believe in
God, but use it to exploit the simple.
I believe the expression that readily comes to mind is, 'blind faith'. And
you know how erroneous *that* often is. Why persist in delusion?
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Peter
Peter
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 02:33:43 PM |
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<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Jul 2006 05:23:50 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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26 Jul 2006 08:55:29 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lqqfc2puuj9os8g9d8genf0tmcee3kr2qu@4ax.com>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
I prescribe a massive dose of RealismŽ.
--
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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29 Jul 2006 04:42:59 AM |
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:39:52 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <i3mlc2l30d0ahc7j4d0ebuv5mjm54vcnhs@4ax.com>
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:29 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lqqfc2puuj9os8g9d8genf0tmcee3kr2qu@4ax.com>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
I prescribe a massive dose of RealismŽ.
It can't handle a smidgeon of the stuff.
That much is becoming increasingly apparent to us all, I'm afraid.
It started out with some minor promise of rationality, but that
promise very quickly evaporated in a cloud of steaming dung.
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Aug 2006 10:09:23 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:59 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:39:52 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <i3mlc2l30d0ahc7j4d0ebuv5mjm54vcnhs@4ax.com>
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:29 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lqqfc2puuj9os8g9d8genf0tmcee3kr2qu@4ax.com>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
I prescribe a massive dose of RealismŽ.
It can't handle a smidgeon of the stuff.
That much is becoming increasingly apparent to us all, I'm afraid.
It started out with some minor promise of rationality, but that
promise very quickly evaporated in a cloud of steaming dung.
....fresh from the Vatican kitchens.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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03 Aug 2006 04:39:30 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:09:23 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d6q2d2h61ho9md437vkbcel6bgqc78bq9d@4ax.com>
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:59 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:39:52 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <i3mlc2l30d0ahc7j4d0ebuv5mjm54vcnhs@4ax.com>
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:29 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lqqfc2puuj9os8g9d8genf0tmcee3kr2qu@4ax.com>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
I prescribe a massive dose of RealismŽ.
It can't handle a smidgeon of the stuff.
That much is becoming increasingly apparent to us all, I'm afraid.
It started out with some minor promise of rationality, but that
promise very quickly evaporated in a cloud of steaming dung.
...fresh from the Vatican kitchens.
With a large dollop of Christ-brandŽ indoctrination sauce, for bad
measure.
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
07 Aug 2006 07:00:09 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:09:30 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:09:23 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d6q2d2h61ho9md437vkbcel6bgqc78bq9d@4ax.com>
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:59 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:39:52 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <i3mlc2l30d0ahc7j4d0ebuv5mjm54vcnhs@4ax.com>
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:29 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lqqfc2puuj9os8g9d8genf0tmcee3kr2qu@4ax.com>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
I prescribe a massive dose of RealismŽ.
It can't handle a smidgeon of the stuff.
That much is becoming increasingly apparent to us all, I'm afraid.
It started out with some minor promise of rationality, but that
promise very quickly evaporated in a cloud of steaming dung.
...fresh from the Vatican kitchens.
With a large dollop of Christ-brandŽ indoctrination sauce, for bad
measure.
Salivation!
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Aug 2006 10:16:10 PM |
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:00:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <mvkfd2htveu904vnmv4vooid7k4s75cpq3@4ax.com>
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:09:30 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:09:23 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d6q2d2h61ho9md437vkbcel6bgqc78bq9d@4ax.com>
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:59 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:39:52 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <i3mlc2l30d0ahc7j4d0ebuv5mjm54vcnhs@4ax.com>
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:29 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lqqfc2puuj9os8g9d8genf0tmcee3kr2qu@4ax.com>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
I prescribe a massive dose of RealismŽ.
It can't handle a smidgeon of the stuff.
That much is becoming increasingly apparent to us all, I'm afraid.
It started out with some minor promise of rationality, but that
promise very quickly evaporated in a cloud of steaming dung.
...fresh from the Vatican kitchens.
With a large dollop of Christ-brandŽ indoctrination sauce, for bad
measure.
Salivation!
I laughed out loud, imagining "The Salivation Army", with soup in
their tubas!
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Aug 2006 07:53:23 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:46:10 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:00:09 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <mvkfd2htveu904vnmv4vooid7k4s75cpq3@4ax.com>
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:09:30 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:09:23 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <d6q2d2h61ho9md437vkbcel6bgqc78bq9d@4ax.com>
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:59 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:39:52 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <i3mlc2l30d0ahc7j4d0ebuv5mjm54vcnhs@4ax.com>
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:29 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:50 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <lqqfc2puuj9os8g9d8genf0tmcee3kr2qu@4ax.com>
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:33:43 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
snip
God is supposed to be a pure spirit.
Sez who?
The mindless parrot, of course.
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Oooookay.
It's meds are no longer effective.
I prescribe a massive dose of RealismŽ.
It can't handle a smidgeon of the stuff.
That much is becoming increasingly apparent to us all, I'm afraid.
It started out with some minor promise of rationality, but that
promise very quickly evaporated in a cloud of steaming dung.
...fresh from the Vatican kitchens.
With a large dollop of Christ-brandŽ indoctrination sauce, for bad
measure.
Salivation!
I laughed out loud, imagining "The Salivation Army", with soup in
their tubas!
And the soup certainly isn't alphabet! [funny image though]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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21 Jul 2006 05:00:27 PM |
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wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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21 Jul 2006 05:10:41 PM |
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Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in news:%7cwg.65652$R26.4297
@tornado.southeast.rr.com:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
<begin>
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
</begin>
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
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22 Jul 2006 01:37:14 AM |
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On 21 Jul 2006 22:10:41 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in news:%7cwg.65652$R26.4297
@tornado.southeast.rr.com:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
<begin>
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Second.
atheist@home#1554
Colin Day aa #1500
</begin>
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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24 Jul 2006 04:12:00 AM |
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In article <buh3c21pkglm6b8cafg4e7gr7ni2kq0vr7@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On 21 Jul 2006 22:10:41 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in news:%7cwg.65652$R26.4297
@tornado.southeast.rr.com:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
<begin>
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Second.
Recorded.
atheist@home#1554
Colin Day aa #1500
</begin>
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "" |
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21 Jul 2006 07:11:38 PM |
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Colin Day wrote:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
Peter
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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22 Jul 2006 01:57:08 PM |
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wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
It's not a matter of ease, but cognition. What if the content of
one's faith is wrong? How would one correct it?
Colin Day aa #1500
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Jul 2006 05:29:22 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:57:08 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
It's not a matter of ease, but cognition. What if the content of
one's faith is wrong?
Can't be.
How would one correct it?
See above line. :)
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Jul 2006 05:26:21 PM |
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On 21 Jul 2006 17:11:38 -0700, wrote in alt.atheism
Colin Day wrote:
wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
Only for the unthinking.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Kate " |
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22 Jul 2006 08:04:02 AM |
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On 21 Jul 2006 17:11:38 -0700, wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
Peter
Faith is lying to yourself that something is true, despite lack of
evidence. Trying to live a lie is called disfunctionality. It's a
hard way to live all right. If you just admit that you don't know
there is a god and do what is right for the people you care about (and
hopefully, you do care about everyone) it all becomes much simpler and
you become much happier.
That's what atheism has done for the rest of us.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Jul 2006 05:28:32 PM |
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On 22 Jul 2006 08:04:02 -0500, (Kate ) wrote in
alt.atheism
On 21 Jul 2006 17:11:38 -0700, wrote:
Colin Day wrote:
wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it are
just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
Peter
Faith is lying to yourself that something is true, despite lack of
evidence. Trying to live a lie is called disfunctionality. It's a
hard way to live all right. If you just admit that you don't know
there is a god and do what is right for the people you care about (and
hopefully, you do care about everyone) it all becomes much simpler and
you become much happier.
That's what atheism has done for the rest of us.
Those of us who were so unfortunate to be inflicted from birth with the
superstition mind virus have jettisoned the mountainous 'boat anchor.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 08:41:33 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Poakfield@msn.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
Colin Day wrote:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it
are just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
Your fears are as unfounded with reality as your faith. It's called
childhood indoctrination. I think religion needs to be regulated along
the same line as the sale of alcohol. Abuse of either is equally
dangerous, and religion is force-fed to children.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
26 Jul 2006 05:27:11 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:41:33 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (Poakfield@msn.com) made
the light shine upon us with this:
Colin Day wrote:
Poakfield@msn.com wrote:
Faith is a gift, and not all have it; some who pretend to have it
are just trying to deceive other people.
Perhaps the absence of faith is a gift, as the absence of a hideous
disease is preferable to its presence.
Colin Day aa #1500
You are free to believe what you want. I know that to live one's faith
is not easy, but suspect that not to do it might be more difficult.
Your fears are as unfounded with reality as your faith. It's called
childhood indoctrination. I think religion needs to be regulated along
the same line as the sale of alcohol. Abuse of either is equally
dangerous, and religion is force-fed to children.
If not for the force feeding superstition would almost disappear.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 08:11:41 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and posting the
following on 21 Jul 2006 08:40:43 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp.
As you can see from some of the replies; no they're not.
They are facts. To say they are not, does not make them any less real.
OK, prove infinite space and time. In a battle of advanced math
between you and Stephen Hawking, guess who is going to win?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
26 Jul 2006 05:21:10 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:58:21 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it.
Why, you wouldn't be talking about 'God' here, would you? That is sure some
'concept', *if* that's what you're referring to. An abstract construct, is
it not?
But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp.
As you can see from some of the replies; no they're not.
These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
So does that make concepts we do not understand necessarily, 'true', then?
And by the by: everyone seems to be aware of the basic 'concept' of 'God'.
We've been deluged with it. The problem is that not a single theist on the
planet has ever been able to prove the thing even exists. And yet people
worship and adore it. (And turned belief in something so devoid of reality
into a cash-cow and a source of great political power in the process.
'Tragic', if you ask me. Rife with the chance to abuse.)
I believe the expression that readily comes to mind is, 'blind faith'. And
you know how erroneous *that* often is. Why persist in delusion?
Induced and reinforced terror, of course.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 08:59:33 AM |
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<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it. But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp. These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
Peter
What makes you thing infinite space or infinite time
are facts?
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rb
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 09:40:45 AM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it. But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp. These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
Peter
What makes you thing infinite space or infinite time
are facts?
--
rb
They are there, and we cannot explain them.
Peter
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism origin |
21 Jul 2006 10:31:31 AM |
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<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153492845.644204.258460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it. But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp. These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
Peter
What makes you thing infinite space or infinite time
are facts?
--
rb
They are there, and we cannot explain them.
Yeah, that makes sense. Let's see... Your stupidity
is there. We cannot explain your stupidity. Therefore
your stupidity is infinite.
Yup. Makes sense.
--
rb
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: AQOTM Nomination Re: Atheism origin |
26 Jul 2006 02:42:11 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:31:31 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153492845.644204.258460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot understand,
opt to reject it. But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp. These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
Peter
What makes you thing infinite space or infinite time
are facts?
--
rb
They are there, and we cannot explain them.
Yeah, that makes sense. Let's see... Your stupidity
is there. We cannot explain your stupidity. Therefore
your stupidity is infinite.
Yup. Makes sense.
Seconds?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Hannele Hannele@lycos-nl" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM Nomination Re: Atheism origin |
26 Jul 2006 03:54:09 PM |
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Op Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:42:11 +0200 schreef stoney <stoney@the.net>:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:31:31 GMT, "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!"
<stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in alt.atheism
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153492845.644204.258460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
<Poakfield@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1153487914.655355.115720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
It seems that some people, faced with a concept they cannot
understand,
opt to reject it. But there are some facts that we cannot possibly
reject, like the existence of infinite space, infinite time, and
infinite numbers, which are clearly beyond our grasp. These facts
provide us with a justification to accept concepts we do not
understand.
Peter
What makes you thing infinite space or infinite time
are facts?
--
rb
They are there, and we cannot explain them.
Yeah, that makes sense. Let's see... Your stupidity
is there. We cannot explain your stupidity. Therefore
your stupidity is infinite.
Yup. Makes sense.
Seconds?
Seconded.
--
Hannele
aa #2221
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