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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Thijs Pieters" |
| Date: |
20 Mar 2005 01:38:48 PM |
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Atheism please! |
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most Atheist news
groups is religion? In fact I have never seen so many religious discussions
as on our atheist newsgroups. If we want to prove to the world that we can
do without religion we are not doing a very good job here. Christ this,
Islam that, where has the Atheism gone?
I have posted about this lack of Atheism in our atheist newsgroups before. I
got a clear answer. The only thing we have in common is that we don't
believe in God, someone wrote. There aren't groups for people who don't like
to go to the opera. Nor are their groups of people who don't own a classic
car. The absence of any other commonality naturally steers the subject
towards the one thing we have in common, lack of religion.
I can only partially agree with that. Granted, we don't wear the same cloths
or share a favourite meal, yet our lack of religion creates problems and
challenges that we al must confront. This would, in my opinion, give grounds
for a more broader range of topics than just debating religion with
religious people.
For example.
How's a wedding ceremony like without a priest?
What do we tell our children if they ask us about God?
Does the absence of religion leave a gap, and if so, with what do you fill
it?
Consider the world philosophies, in a Atheist perspective.
How to deal with religious symbolism in public spaces (crosses, or text on
coins)?
What's our motivation to be good people, when a reward in heaven does not
await us?
In some countries there is discrimination of Atheist, can we do something to
help them?
Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Please don't tell me I'm the only one who would like to hear other peoples
thoughts on these subjects?
I'm not saying that the debating, discussing and ranting about religion
should end. No way! I love that stuff, yet can't we find other topics to
talk about also? Get a bit of a mix? I mean we never will convince the
religious folk of our Atheist life stance (nor will they convince us). So
let us talk about other topics every once in a wile, please..
Kind regards,
Thijs Pieters
The Netherlands
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
22 Mar 2005 07:19:00 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:21:20 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5a2dnZNtC-tL9aLfRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com>
wrote in message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
When has that ever stopped Jason the thief? He's one if this
fundamentalists who believes that it is perfectly fine to lie
for their religion. No one should trust Jason Gastrich, whether
they are Christian or not.
I forgot to add: Jason Gastrich, you lazy, good for nothing
thing... thing... thing...
Harcourt Fenton Mudd!! Where have you been, you lazy etc. etc. <G>
I believe the episode was titled 'I, Mudd.' :-)
I love you, but I hate you.
But we are exactly the same.
Yes, that's why I love you, but I hate you.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
23 Mar 2005 08:42:37 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:8u30e.527$FN4.306@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:21:20 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5a2dnZNtC-tL9aLfRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com>
wrote in message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
When has that ever stopped Jason the thief? He's one if this
fundamentalists who believes that it is perfectly fine to lie
for their religion. No one should trust Jason Gastrich, whether
they are Christian or not.
I forgot to add: Jason Gastrich, you lazy, good for nothing
thing... thing... thing...
Harcourt Fenton Mudd!! Where have you been, you lazy etc. etc. <G>
I believe the episode was titled 'I, Mudd.' :-)
I love you, but I hate you.
But we are exactly the same.
Yes, that's why I love you, but I hate you.
Scuse me while I get my air violin.
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
22 Mar 2005 11:18:00 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:21:20 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5a2dnZNtC-tL9aLfRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com>
wrote in message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has
been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and
mental
health in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is
therefore a
deliberate lie.
When has that ever stopped Jason the thief? He's one if this
fundamentalists who believes that it is perfectly fine to lie
for their religion. No one should trust Jason Gastrich, whether
they are Christian or not.
I forgot to add: Jason Gastrich, you lazy, good for nothing
thing... thing... thing...
Harcourt Fenton Mudd!! Where have you been, you lazy etc. etc. <G>
I believe the episode was titled 'I, Mudd.' :-)
I love you, but I hate you.
But we are exactly the same.
Yes, that's why I love you, but I hate you.
Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smells bad.
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
23 Mar 2005 12:23:56 PM |
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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:21:20 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5a2dnZNtC-tL9aLfRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com>
wrote in message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has
been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and
mental
health in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is
therefore a
deliberate lie.
When has that ever stopped Jason the thief? He's one if this
fundamentalists who believes that it is perfectly fine to lie
for their religion. No one should trust Jason Gastrich, whether
they are Christian or not.
I forgot to add: Jason Gastrich, you lazy, good for nothing
thing... thing... thing...
Harcourt Fenton Mudd!! Where have you been, you lazy etc. etc. <G>
I believe the episode was titled 'I, Mudd.' :-)
I love you, but I hate you.
But we are exactly the same.
Yes, that's why I love you, but I hate you.
Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smells bad.
Och! I've too much happiness.
--
EAC Liar, Damned Liar, and Statistician
alt.atheist #1966
"Statistical thinking will one day be as necessary for efficient
citizenship as the ability to read and write." - H.G. Wells
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
23 Mar 2005 09:09:56 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:23:56 -0500, Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net>
wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Mike Painter wrote:
John Baker wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:21:20 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5a2dnZNtC-tL9aLfRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com>
wrote in message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has
been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and
mental
health in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is
therefore a
deliberate lie.
When has that ever stopped Jason the thief? He's one if this
fundamentalists who believes that it is perfectly fine to lie
for their religion. No one should trust Jason Gastrich, whether
they are Christian or not.
I forgot to add: Jason Gastrich, you lazy, good for nothing
thing... thing... thing...
Harcourt Fenton Mudd!! Where have you been, you lazy etc. etc. <G>
I believe the episode was titled 'I, Mudd.' :-)
I love you, but I hate you.
But we are exactly the same.
Yes, that's why I love you, but I hate you.
Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smells bad.
Och! I've too much happiness.
Poor Scotty. He had too much happiness. But he's happier now because
he's dead.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
24 Mar 2005 02:21:58 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:09:56 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:23:56 -0500, Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net>
wrote:
[]
Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smells bad.
Och! I've too much happiness.
Poor Scotty. He had too much happiness. But he's happier now because
he's dead.
Scotty (James Doohan) is still alive.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
25 Mar 2005 02:26:43 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:21:58 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:09:56 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:23:56 -0500, Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net>
wrote:
[]
Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smells bad.
Och! I've too much happiness.
Poor Scotty. He had too much happiness. But he's happier now because
he's dead.
Scotty (James Doohan) is still alive.
That's a line from the episode. It was part of an act the Enterprise
crew put on to confuse the androids and short-circuit their control
center.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
26 Mar 2005 05:04:22 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:26:43 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:21:58 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:09:56 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:23:56 -0500, Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net>
wrote:
[]
Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smells bad.
Och! I've too much happiness.
Poor Scotty. He had too much happiness. But he's happier now because
he's dead.
Scotty (James Doohan) is still alive.
That's a line from the episode. It was part of an act the Enterprise
crew put on to confuse the androids and short-circuit their control
center.
Yes, I had thought you 'changed gears' on me.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
23 Mar 2005 11:49:53 AM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:24:22 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 01:21:20 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5a2dnZNtC-tL9aLfRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health
in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
When has that ever stopped Jason the thief? He's one if this
fundamentalists who believes that it is perfectly fine to lie
for their religion. No one should trust Jason Gastrich, whether
they are Christian or not.
I forgot to add: Jason Gastrich, you lazy, good for nothing
thing... thing... thing...
Harcourt Fenton Mudd!! Where have you been, you lazy etc. etc. <G>
I believe the episode was titled 'I, Mudd.' :-)
You weren't supposed to give it away.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
22 Mar 2005 03:45:54 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:37:57 -0500, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental health
in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
When has that ever stopped Jason the thief? He's one if this
fundamentalists who believes that it is perfectly fine to lie
for their religion. No one should trust Jason Gastrich, whether
they are Christian or not.
I see Mr. Gastrich has managed to hijack another thread and get you
all talking about him again . Personally I don't see him as an
interesting person to talk about but I guess your mileage may vary.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
21 Mar 2005 02:07:43 AM |
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"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental health
in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free
indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ
has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
21 Mar 2005 05:27:37 AM |
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In our last episode <jhv%d.4193$4Y.1191@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most Atheist
news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health
in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
The "prayer" studies have long been debunked and disproven.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
21 Mar 2005 05:39:42 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:27:37 -0600 in free.christians, Mark K. Bilbo
("Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the
reply to free.christians
In our last episode <jhv%d.4193$4Y.1191@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most Atheist
news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health
in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
The "prayer" studies have long been debunked and disproven.
Indeed.
Every day C of E members pray for the health of the British Royal
Family. Do they live longer than people with similar wealth and access
to the best medical technology?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
Market Your DVD to The World For Almost Nothing: www.instantdvd.tv
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
21 Mar 2005 07:08:20 AM |
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In our last episode <f8ct319o9091qsgrebro1iaee6u0inpur3@4ax.com>, Therion
Ware pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:27:37 -0600 in free.christians, Mark K. Bilbo
("Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
In our last episode <jhv%d.4193$4Y.1191@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote
in message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health
in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
The "prayer" studies have long been debunked and disproven.
Indeed.
Every day C of E members pray for the health of the British Royal Family.
Do they live longer than people with similar wealth and access to the best
medical technology?
The dirty little secret of US health care (Best! In! The! World! we're
told) is that the primary indicator of health and longevity is wealth. Not
prayer, not religion, not much of anything other than cash...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
23 Mar 2005 11:40:53 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:08:20 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <f8ct319o9091qsgrebro1iaee6u0inpur3@4ax.com>, Therion
Ware pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:27:37 -0600 in free.christians, Mark K. Bilbo
("Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
In our last episode <jhv%d.4193$4Y.1191@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote
in message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health
in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
The "prayer" studies have long been debunked and disproven.
Indeed.
Every day C of E members pray for the health of the British Royal Family.
Do they live longer than people with similar wealth and access to the best
medical technology?
The dirty little secret of US health care (Best! In! The! World! we're
told) is that the primary indicator of health and longevity is wealth. Not
prayer, not religion, not much of anything other than cash...
As is usual.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrichs effort" |
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21 Mar 2005 09:02:00 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote
in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has
been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health
in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
You have evidence for that claim?
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| User: "LP" |
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21 Mar 2005 11:04:05 AM |
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On 21 Mar 2005 07:02:00 -0800, "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
Gastrich's effort" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote
in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has
been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health
in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
You have evidence for that claim?
He has never considered evidence to be a necessity for any of his
other claims, I'm sure he doesn't require evidence for this one
either.
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| User: "Carson West" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:30:36 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:07:43 +0000, Jason Gastrich wrote:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote in
message news:NYednSmp9s4W4aPfRVnyiA@brightview.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic
on most Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on
most health news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It
has been scientifically shown that prayer effects your
physical and mental health in a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore
a deliberate lie.
Yeah, and gravity has been disproven, too.
This doesn't strike me as a useful response, Jason. Perhaps you should
rethink it. I noticed you made the claim above about the effects of
prayer and you were asked for references. I only have time for Usenet on
weekends, so you had some time between the time you were asked and now to
provide references and you didn't. No one is taking your word for
anything because of your reputation, which is, quite frankly, deserved.
I recall hearing of some studies that have indicated (as opposed to
"scientifically shown") that prayer and meditation--in a very *general*
sense, that is, and not at all limited to *Christian* prayer and
meditation--can be healthy. However, I have no evidence that atheism is
not a "healthy" way to think. Do you have any evidence for this claim?
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Mar 2005 11:39:44 AM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:49:12 +0000, Secular Fundamentalist
<mr.mcgregor@answersinpeterrabbit.com> wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental health in
a positive way.
You know that this has been disproved. Repeating it is therefore a
deliberate lie.
Lies and ignorance are all gassy has in stock.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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20 Mar 2005 05:08:48 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking.
Where did you make that connection?
Can your read for comprehension?
It has been scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical
and mental health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything
good for your health.
Ahh, but were the results better than placebo?
I seem to recall the 'nothing fails better than prayer' bumper sticker.
Maybe after your recent prayer efforts in free.christians this should
be modifed to 'nothing is more negative than prayer'. You have saved
none and driven at least eight away. How do you plead?
David D.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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20 Mar 2005 06:00:42 PM |
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"David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111360128.303514.225550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking.
Where did you make that connection?
Can your read for comprehension?
It has been scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical
and mental health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything
good for your health.
This was shown to be false due to faulty information used and
presented. Next lie, please.
Ahh, but were the results better than placebo?
I seem to recall the 'nothing fails better than prayer' bumper sticker.
Maybe after your recent prayer efforts in free.christians this should
be modifed to 'nothing is more negative than prayer'. You have saved
none and driven at least eight away. How do you plead?
David D.
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| User: "" |
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20 Mar 2005 09:41:14 PM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
news:1111360128.303514.225550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking.
Where did you make that connection?
Can your read for comprehension?
It has been scientifically shown that prayer effects your
physical
and mental health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything
good for your health.
This was shown to be false due to faulty information used and
presented. Next lie, please.
Ahh, but were the results better than placebo?
I seem to recall the 'nothing fails better than prayer' bumper
sticker.
Maybe after your recent prayer efforts in free.christians this
should
be modifed to 'nothing is more negative than prayer'. You have
saved
none and driven at least eight away. How do you plead?
David D.
I seem to remember somewhere running into decent studies showing that
believers have slightly fewer health problems. When the researchers
looked into it more closely, it turned out that members of churches
lived slightly longer; believers who did not have a social circle did
not. We are social animals, after all; it would not be surprising to
find that a social support group helps health on the average. Also,
old men who had living wives had longer life spans. Old people with
pets also live longer. (Curiously, old women with living husbands
*didn't seem to live longer. I wonder why? <innocent look>)
So, being a member of a church is every bit as healthy as having a cat.
However, actually *believing a religion doesn't matter; you just need
friends.
<rummage about> Ah! Here they are:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/10/981030081243.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/05/990517064323.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/11/011105073401.htm
Kermit
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Mar 2005 10:44:02 AM |
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On 20 Mar 2005 19:41:14 -0800, wrote:
Michelle Malkin wrote:
"David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" <daycd@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
news:1111360128.303514.225550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking.
Where did you make that connection?
Can your read for comprehension?
It has been scientifically shown that prayer effects your
physical
and mental health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything
good for your health.
This was shown to be false due to faulty information used and
presented. Next lie, please.
Ahh, but were the results better than placebo?
I seem to recall the 'nothing fails better than prayer' bumper
sticker.
Maybe after your recent prayer efforts in free.christians this
should
be modifed to 'nothing is more negative than prayer'. You have
saved
none and driven at least eight away. How do you plead?
David D.
I seem to remember somewhere running into decent studies showing that
believers have slightly fewer health problems. When the researchers
looked into it more closely, it turned out that members of churches
lived slightly longer; believers who did not have a social circle did
not. We are social animals, after all; it would not be surprising to
find that a social support group helps health on the average. Also,
old men who had living wives had longer life spans. Old people with
pets also live longer. (Curiously, old women with living husbands
*didn't seem to live longer. I wonder why? <innocent look>)
So, being a member of a church is every bit as healthy as having a cat.
However, actually *believing a religion doesn't matter; you just need
friends.
Sadly, many ex-Christians find they've only acquaintances, sometimes
decades long acquaintances.
<rummage about> Ah! Here they are:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/10/981030081243.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/05/990517064323.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/11/011105073401.htm
Kermit
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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23 Mar 2005 10:41:55 AM |
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On 20 Mar 2005 15:08:48 -0800, "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich"
<daycd@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking.
Where did you make that connection?
Can your read for comprehension?
It has been scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical
and mental health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything
good for your health.
Ahh, but were the results better than placebo?
I seem to recall the 'nothing fails better than prayer' bumper sticker.
Maybe after your recent prayer efforts in free.christians this should
be modifed to 'nothing is more negative than prayer'. You have saved
none and driven at least eight away. How do you plead?
Insanity. says Gassy.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Atheism please! |
20 Mar 2005 06:21:06 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
LP wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:38:48 +0100, "Thijs Pieters"
<thijs.pieters@home.nl> wrote:
Atheism please!
Isn't is a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
Atheist news groups is religion?
Isn't it a bit of a contradiction that the main topic on most
health
news groups is illness?
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in
a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything good for your health.
Damn shame then that it has the inverse affect on mental capacity.
Yours especially.
jwk
BAAWA
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| User: "Bear" |
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20 Mar 2005 09:00:59 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in
a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything good for your health.
I notice that you failed to cite the scientific studies that supposedly
show that prayer has a a positive effect on physical and mental health.
I also noticed that you failed to cite any resources concerning your
assertion concening atheism.
While you are looking those up maybe you can answer a question for me?
What positive effects did prayers to their god do the Jews during the
Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades?
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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20 Mar 2005 11:02:09 PM |
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Bear wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything good for your
health.
I notice that you failed to cite the scientific studies that
supposedly show that prayer has a a positive effect on physical and
mental health. I also noticed that you failed to cite any resources
concerning your assertion concening atheism.
This sort of research isn't hard to find. Here is some:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/religionhealth.html
JG
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http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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21 Mar 2005 08:07:59 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lzs%d.4162$4Y.3170@twister.socal.rr.com...
Bear wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything good for your
health.
I notice that you failed to cite the scientific studies that
supposedly show that prayer has a a positive effect on physical and
mental health. I also noticed that you failed to cite any resources
concerning your assertion concening atheism.
This sort of research isn't hard to find. Here is some:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/religionhealth.html
How about an unbiased site?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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21 Mar 2005 10:46:29 AM |
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In our last episode <3a82osF66ig7aU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lzs%d.4162$4Y.3170@twister.socal.rr.com...
Bear wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything good for your
health.
I notice that you failed to cite the scientific studies that
supposedly show that prayer has a a positive effect on physical and
mental health. I also noticed that you failed to cite any resources
concerning your assertion concening atheism.
This sort of research isn't hard to find. Here is some:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/religionhealth.html
How about an unbiased site?
Now, remember, in Gastrich speak, agreeing with him *is "unbiased."
Contradicting him is "biased."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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21 Mar 2005 11:41:42 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:IaOdnZ_y5tr7Z6PfRVn-hA@megapath.net...
In our last episode <3a82osF66ig7aU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lzs%d.4162$4Y.3170@twister.socal.rr.com...
Bear wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Please don't associate atheism with healthy thinking. It has been
scientifically shown that prayer effects your physical and mental
health in a positive way. Atheism doesn't do anything good for your
health.
I notice that you failed to cite the scientific studies that
supposedly show that prayer has a a positive effect on physical and
mental health. I also noticed that you failed to cite any resources
concerning your assertion concening atheism.
This sort of research isn't hard to find. Here is some:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/religionhealth.html
How about an unbiased site?
Now, remember, in Gastrich speak, agreeing with him *is "unbiased."
Contradicting him is "biased."
Blech! Ptooey! <SPIT!>
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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