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19 Oct 2005 12:10:03 AM |
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Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 04:37:23 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:31:32 GMT, in alt.atheism , AZ Nomad
<aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> in
<slrndldb9g.6cv.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:10:47 GMT, Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I am quite astounded, but not surprised, that no one suggested
anything along the lines of "Gee, why not look for a study on the
subject" or something like that. Everyone insists, even when defending
their "atheism" over religion, that introspection or personal
knowledge or some such thing would provide an answer. That living
together thing, for example. It turns out that living together before
marriage tells you pretty much nothing about how long people are going
to stay married. Forget your attempt to criticize religion, the facts
say that living together for a month or a year or ten years is not a
predictor of how long people will remain married. Religion is a mild
predictor in that religious people will tend to be married a bit
longer than non-religious (I could not find stats on mix marriages,
but people should have tried). I find that result pretty much
reasonable. The only good predictors of how long a couple will remain
married is their previous marital status. Divorced people are more
likely to get divorced again, widowed people less.
That last statistical tidbit of yours (widowed people less) is worthless as
you've changed your distribution.
It's like stating that people who are alive are less likely to have died from
cancer. Says nothing.
You might want to get a dictionary. The widowed people are the ones
who are still alive.
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Matt Silberstein
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 05:13:07 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:37:23 GMT, Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
You might want to get a dictionary. The widowed people are the ones
who are still alive.
You might get a clue what a statistical distribution is. I bet if you looked
at your cross section of widowed people, you'd find the age distribution
rather different than the distribution for married people.
Hint: Most widows lost their S.O. to disease or old age; the chances of
dying from old age or disease go up rather significantly with age, hence, widows
tend to be older than the general population. Older people tend to have been
married longer; saying that widows stay married longer says very little.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 08:11:13 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:13:07 GMT, in alt.atheism , AZ Nomad
<aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> in
<slrndldh7v.6cv.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:37:23 GMT, Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
You might want to get a dictionary. The widowed people are the ones
who are still alive.
You might get a clue what a statistical distribution is. I bet if you looked
at your cross section of widowed people, you'd find the age distribution
rather different than the distribution for married people.
Hint: Most widows lost their S.O. to disease or old age; the chances of
dying from old age or disease go up rather significantly with age, hence, widows
tend to be older than the general population. Older people tend to have been
married longer; saying that widows stay married longer says very little.
And how did your figure out that studies you did not read did not
correct for age?
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 12:24:59 PM |
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In article <9cqcl1tm6qqvuqoobblg8t5al5lo2vn515@4ax.com>, Matt
Silberstein said...
I wouldn't knowingly go into a marriage separated by that gulf.
After all, look how fast Mary Matlin and James Carville got divorced.
Oh wait, bad example.
Well, it's not as if Noam Chomsky had married Michelle Malkin.
:)
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 09:36:46 AM |
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"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
It probably depends on the type of christianity to be honest. My best friend
is a christian but she doesn't see the bible is literal and that it's down
to who you are as a person rather than believing. She's a sensible girl,
actually and probably would be an atheist if she hadn't of been brainwashed
into christianity
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 01:52:25 AM |
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"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
The following is based entirely on personal experience, and 'Your Mileage
May Vary', as they say ... but I would shyly suggest that *it can't work* --
and, further, that there's no point *trying* to make it work: marriages
mostly don't work as it is, and there's no point saddling yourself with even
more unfavourable odds.
What's more, values don't come much more 'fundamental' than these, and
fundamental values aren't things you can compromise over without sacrificing
a big chunk of your selfhood. And selfhood is a bloody big thing to give up
simply in return for the chance of a regular *****.
During my dating years, I gradually developed a set of questions which
proved invaluable in preventing necessarily doomed relationships from even
starting:
i) Are you an apologist for Zionist land-grab and child-murder?
ii) Are you an apologist for the pervasive violence of American foreign
policy?
iii) Do you ever eat veal?
iv) Do you think of Margaret Thatcher as someone who is 'basically
well-intentioned'?
v) Do you have any religious beliefs that are more specific and dogmatic
than "Well, there has to be *something*, doesn't there...?"
If the answer to any of those questions was 'yes', then the date was off.
Worked a treat!
Feel free to try them out for yourself...
Katt.
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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20 Oct 2005 03:07:21 AM |
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"Katt" <kattt@t.com> wrote in
news:J2m5f.310$65.111@newsfe6-win.ntli.net:
During my dating years, I gradually developed a set of questions which
proved invaluable in preventing necessarily doomed relationships from
even starting:
iii) Do you ever eat veal?
Damn, and the baby jesus was going so well up until that point.
mmmmmmmmm veal.
almost as good as donuts.
mmmmmmmmmm donuts.
At least the donuts get to turn over.
Katt.
jesus
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 10:46:42 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:52:25 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Katt"
<kattt@t.com> in <J2m5f.310$65.111@newsfe6-win.ntli.net> wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
The following is based entirely on personal experience, and 'Your Mileage
May Vary', as they say ... but I would shyly suggest that *it can't work* --
and, further, that there's no point *trying* to make it work: marriages
mostly don't work as it is, and there's no point saddling yourself with even
more unfavourable odds.
What's more, values don't come much more 'fundamental' than these, and
fundamental values aren't things you can compromise over without sacrificing
a big chunk of your selfhood. And selfhood is a bloody big thing to give up
simply in return for the chance of a regular *****.
During my dating years, I gradually developed a set of questions which
proved invaluable in preventing necessarily doomed relationships from even
starting:
i) Are you an apologist for Zionist land-grab and child-murder?
ii) Are you an apologist for the pervasive violence of American foreign
policy?
iii) Do you ever eat veal?
iv) Do you think of Margaret Thatcher as someone who is 'basically
well-intentioned'?
v) Do you have any religious beliefs that are more specific and dogmatic
than "Well, there has to be *something*, doesn't there...?"
If the answer to any of those questions was 'yes', then the date was off.
Worked a treat!
Feel free to try them out for yourself...
Katt.
Gad, you must have been fun.
BTW, what do you think of honor killings? Would you be willing to date
someone who supported those?
--
Matt Silberstein
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| User: "Katt" |
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19 Oct 2005 10:57:29 AM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:uhqcl1p9q8cmj89vjnq29h1h0aipokibib@4ax.com...
Gad, you must have been fun.
Yawn.
BTW, what do you think of honor killings? Would you be willing to date
someone who supported those?
My foot wouldn't be off their throat for long enough that they could ask me
out.
Katt.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 12:03:37 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:57:29 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Katt"
<kattt@t.com> in <J1u5f.986$m4.918@newsfe2-win.ntli.net> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:uhqcl1p9q8cmj89vjnq29h1h0aipokibib@4ax.com...
Gad, you must have been fun.
Yawn.
BTW, what do you think of honor killings? Would you be willing to date
someone who supported those?
My foot wouldn't be off their throat for long enough that they could ask me
out.
You are impressive, that's for sure.
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Matt Silberstein
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| User: "Alan S" |
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19 Oct 2005 09:32:41 AM |
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"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since most marriages don't work anyway, and since it's known in this
case that at least in one subject, parties don't respect each other,
my guess would be a big no.
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20 Oct 2005 11:19:02 AM |
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Been married 11 years to a Christian woman.
Thinking seriously about divorce, but I think the 'christian' thing
is a symptom not the problem. Here is why I'm looking to divorce:
=B7 doesn't enjoy same movies as I do (can only take so many lifetime
shows)
=B7 all she wants to do is eat, sleep, go to church, and read religious
garbage
=B7 complains about anything I would like to do such as pool, bowling,
golfing, putt putt, our anything that requires physical activity
(besides shopping)
=B7 complains all the time about me not paying enough attention to her
=B7 seems to believe that sex is doing me a favor
=B7 doesn't want to earn money (fiercely complains about any job she
has ever had)
=B7 won't help me come up with a retirement plan and follow through
=B7 we had a business, but by fighting me on every issue and not coming
up with any solutions, she screwed that up for us and set us back about
4 years
I don't think it matters if you marry a Christian or whatever,
important thing is make sure you marry someone with similar
personality, interests, and intelligence. Or maybe we should all learn
to deal with loneliness, because the alternative can be a real
nightmare.
I don't know, but right now I'm seriously thinking about divorce.
If I do, my plans are to stay single. At this time, I don't think
there is a 'right woman' for me.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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20 Oct 2005 11:34:45 AM |
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<brian.burton@wachovia.com> wrote in message
news:1129825142.053497.312370@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Been married 11 years to a Christian woman.
Thinking seriously about divorce, but I think the 'christian' thing
is a symptom not the problem. Here is why I'm looking to divorce:
· doesn't enjoy same movies as I do (can only take so many lifetime
shows)
· all she wants to do is eat, sleep, go to church, and read religious
garbage
· complains about anything I would like to do such as pool, bowling,
golfing, putt putt, our anything that requires physical activity
(besides shopping)
· complains all the time about me not paying enough attention to her
· seems to believe that sex is doing me a favor
· doesn't want to earn money (fiercely complains about any job she
has ever had)
· won't help me come up with a retirement plan and follow through
· we had a business, but by fighting me on every issue and not coming
up with any solutions, she screwed that up for us and set us back about
4 years
Oh dear - Doesn't sound like a good situation. Do you have any kids? If
not, then there's no reason to stick this out IMHO - And sometimes not even
then.
I don't think it matters if you marry a Christian or whatever,
important thing is make sure you marry someone with similar
personality, interests, and intelligence. Or maybe we should all learn
to deal with loneliness, because the alternative can be a real
nightmare.
I don't know, but right now I'm seriously thinking about divorce.
If I do, my plans are to stay single. At this time, I don't think
there is a 'right woman' for me.
Hey, you never know. Good luck!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Mark" |
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19 Oct 2005 05:03:20 PM |
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Desslock wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
*Anything* can work, if you are willing to work for it, and want it
badly enough.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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19 Oct 2005 08:26:14 AM |
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Desslock wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
If there is little respect for one another, the marriage is doomed. It
does not matter what the specific issues might be.
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Desslock" |
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19 Oct 2005 09:22:37 AM |
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Thank you everyone for your perspectives on this issue. I think I'd
like to be clear that there is a genuine respect for the individuals
outside of this particular, but what is bothersome for the atheist is
that the christian is a christian more for societal pressures and
understands that religion does not necessarily equal morality.
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| User: "Desslock" |
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19 Oct 2005 09:26:28 AM |
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Thank you everyone for your perspectives on this issue. I think I'd
like to be clear that there is a genuine respect for the individuals
outside of this particular, but what is bothersome for the atheist is
that the christian is a christian more for societal pressures. What is
encouraging is that the christian understands that religion does not
necessarily equal morality.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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19 Oct 2005 05:00:21 AM |
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In article <1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I became an atheist after 20 years of marriage to my Christian wife. It
took a while, but we've been able to handle the differences. She had to
overcome some pretty deep-seated prejudices. But I expect she still
thinks I'm going to hell when I die. At least we have managed to
tolerate each other.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
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19 Oct 2005 09:20:30 AM |
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In article <1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Such marriages can work. However, only if each party respects the other
party's right to his or her views. That need not translate into respect
for the views themselves, but a relationship in which the two
participants don't respect one another's right to independence of
thought is probably going to be doomed from the start.
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George Ricker
"'God' is a penny in reality's fuse box."
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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19 Oct 2005 10:09:45 AM |
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In article <1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Desslock <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
From experience, no. ymmv.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middla Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "John Baker" |
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19 Oct 2005 02:30:58 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700, "Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>
wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario?
Yep.
Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Didn't work for me, although I suspect the 15 year age difference had
more to do with that than the differing ideologies. I was ready to
settle down, she wasn't.
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Oct 2005 01:23:50 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700, "Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>
wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work,
Anything can work, depending on the people.
especially where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Not a snowballs chance in flowing lava.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
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19 Oct 2005 08:12:26 PM |
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On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700, "Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>
wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
No. It won't work. Atheists should never marry theists. Sooner of
later it turns to *****. It took me twenty years before she said she
was living in sin with an atheists and god wanted her to be with her
boyfriend, a god fearing christian. Thirty seconds later I was about
as alone as I have ever been. My kids crying at my side.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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19 Oct 2005 01:42:59 AM |
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On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700, "Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>
wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
If you can't respect opposing views on a number of issues you don't
need to be married.
Pick another and more easily abandoned nightmare.
atheist@home#1554
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19 Oct 2005 07:23:51 AM |
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On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700, "Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>
wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
It can work, especially if you are both tolerant of each other's
views. Remember that your spouse will probably see your atheism in the
same way you see their belief: a minus that is outweighed by the
pluses.
The problems will be in-laws and children. Luckily my prospective
in-laws don't seem to mind, and we are probably too old for children.
You have to come to a complete agreement before you get married, about
how children will be raised. It's not enough to say "grow up to be
decent people" without agreeing what that means. A simple phrase but
on one side it includes being in the church.
Remember that some denominations make you promise to bring the kids up
in the church, eg the Catholics.
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19 Oct 2005 09:30:25 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:0adcl1lsujafu2v0i7b7e3od8gvl6jkjsa@4ax.com...
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The problems will be in-laws and children. Luckily my prospective
in-laws don't seem to mind, and we are probably too old for children.
That has been an issue for me with my MIL, but we're handling it. Having my
husband on my side helps a great deal.
You have to come to a complete agreement before you get married, about
how children will be raised. It's not enough to say "grow up to be
decent people" without agreeing what that means. A simple phrase but
on one side it includes being in the church.
Remember that some denominations make you promise to bring the kids up
in the church, eg the Catholics.
Doesn't mean that's a promise you have to keep. Just words I had to speak
to get married in a Catholic church to shut up my MIL. Meaningless
otherwise.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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19 Oct 2005 01:03:38 AM |
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TV's Desslock wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I tried it, it failed after 5 months. Marriage = evil.
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aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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19 Oct 2005 10:44:19 AM |
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on 18 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet towelie (bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
TV's Desslock wrote:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I tried it, it failed after 5 months. Marriage = evil.
I tend to agree, but only when I'm *****.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he (JUDAH)drave out the
inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants
of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. IT WAS JUDAH YOU
DUMBFUCK.
Go back to masturbating to porn sites, you goddammned idiot."
-- Mikal 606
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 10:43:16 AM |
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on 18 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Desslock
(a02949285@yahoo.com.mx) made the light shine upon us with this:
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
My wife is Jewish. She's not very religious, hell, she married an atheist
who she thought at first was a Christian. Non-Jew would have been a
better description. Anyway, she wanted me to convert to Judaism, and I
agreed just to shut her up, then procrastinated for a decade or so. When
she got adament about it I told her no way, I'm not into mutilation. She
got over it. She never bothered with our older child (who is now an adult
living at home) religiously, but our younger (and obviously her favorite)
she is trying to talk into having a Bat Mitzvah. When she asked me to
back her up on the issue, I refused citing our previous agreement that we
would be neutral with the kids when it came to religion - if they wanted
to seek religion they do it on their own, and we do not interfere. The
little one flatly refuses to go through with it, even when told of the
shower of presents she'd get. I think she fears having to go up in front
of the temple congregation and recite the Hebrew stuff and all, like her
cousin did. She's gone to a Christian church once with a friend of hers -
her response when I asked her about it was that it was weird. Other than
that, my family is pleasantly apathetic about religion.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he (JUDAH)drave out the
inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants
of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. IT WAS JUDAH YOU
DUMBFUCK.
Go back to masturbating to porn sites, you goddammned idiot."
-- Mikal 606
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