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"Desslock" |
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19 Oct 2005 12:10:03 AM |
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Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 04:38:06 AM |
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On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700 in alt.atheism, Desslock ("Desslock"
<a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I don't see why not. My wife's a Muslim, for example, and we're been
married since Friday 13 January, 1989. Like they say, she does her
thing, and I don't.
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| User: "Freeway Frolickers for Jesus" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 05:43:49 AM |
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Into alt.atheism shot Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> and
breathlessly exclaimed:
On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700 in alt.atheism, Desslock ("Desslock"
<a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I don't see why not. My wife's a Muslim, for example, and we're been
married since Friday 13 January, 1989. Like they say, she does her
thing, and I don't.
There is a fundamental doctrinal difference between Islam and
Christianity. Although many Islamic militants believe in and preach
the idea of an Islamic world, proselytisation is not inimical to Islam
like it is to Christianity. Christians have to proselytise because
they hold the view that Jesus died to save mankind from his sins, so
the label of apostacy applies to any human being who is not a
Christian and they must be converted. See history.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "Alan S" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 09:51:24 AM |
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Freeway Frolickers for Jesus <yournamehere@martyrdon.com> wrote:
There is a fundamental doctrinal difference between Islam and
Christianity. Although many Islamic militants believe in and preach
the idea of an Islamic world, proselytisation is not inimical to Islam
like it is to Christianity.
Nonsense. Like a lot of Christians, a lot of Muslims can get along
fine with people of other religions or the non-religious, but gaining
converts either by word or sword has been an integral part of
fundementalist Islam. It's just that those Muslims who have chosen to
live in the Western world and whom your interactions are limited to
are usually the variety that are milder in their views and wilfully
undertook to adapt to live in a cosmopolitan society and play with
their rules. Even so, there are lots of Muslim proselytisers in the
west but you don't notice them as much because of the vast difference
in numbers between Muslims and Christians.
Christians have to proselytise because
they hold the view that Jesus died to save mankind from his sins, so
the label of apostacy applies to any human being who is not a
Christian and they must be converted. See history.
One can also learn from history that Mohammed and the caliphs after
him used force to convert whenever they could, until the time of the
Ottoman Empire which allowed more religious freedom but the motives
and execution there are quite complex.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 12:25:57 PM |
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on 19 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Therion Ware (autodelete@city-
of-dis.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
On 18 Oct 2005 22:10:03 -0700 in alt.atheism, Desslock ("Desslock"
<a02949285@yahoo.com.mx>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I don't see why not. My wife's a Muslim, for example, and we're been
married since Friday 13 January, 1989. Like they say, she does her
thing, and I don't.
Do you have children? Would you want them to be atheists? What does she
want them to be?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he (JUDAH)drave out the
inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants
of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. IT WAS JUDAH YOU
DUMBFUCK.
Go back to masturbating to porn sites, you goddammned idiot."
-- Mikal 606
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 03:28:21 AM |
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"Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work?"
No.
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 02:16:28 PM |
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"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
It's worked 1.5 years so far for me. Check back w/ me in 10 years or so.
But I definitely think it can work, but you have to go into it with your
eyes wide open. A lot also depends on the "level" of xtian that you're
dealing with. My wife, while she considers herself xtian, it isn't a big
part of her everyday life. She still holds the beliefs, but doesn't attend
church or otherwise actively pursue her beliefs. So that helps. (If,
however, she was the kind of jesus freak that her mother is, it would be a
different story altogether I'm sure. But if that were the case, we probably
would've never met in the first place.)
For my wife and I, I think the biggest issue is that of respecting the
other's views. And on that count, I think the fault lies mostly with me.
But that's largely because I used to be a xtian, so it can be hard to step
out of my own experience and not think of xtianity as a big silly waste of
time. And I will point out problems I have with xtianity and religion in
general should I see examples - and I know that at times she may take these
a bit more personally than I intended them to be.
Obviously, a huge issue would also be kids and how you intend to raise them.
My wife and I don't have any kids, and have no plans to change that, so I
can't provide any insight there. But we did have pre-marriage conversations
about it, and we've got an agreement should kids ever come into the picture.
Hopefully I'll never have to find out if our agreement works or if we stick
to it.
Anyway, good luck figuring out what you want to do (assuming that that is
why you asked the question.)
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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| User: "rospaya_govnar" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 01:07:29 AM |
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"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Have you ever heard of black-caucasian marriage that 'worked'?
*****, if a fag can marry a fag... damn, anyone can marry an atheist
and make it work! Daaaaaamn!
And vice versa, of course...
I am not a biggot! I believe in both atheism AND God!
BTW, in case you are wondering;
Sie doctor says I'm just fine... and he drank my meds.
Since sie doktorr made a wrong diganosis. Just to let ya know!
Enjoy yer Thanksgiving turkey... 'that's when your forfathers jerked me'.
Shalom, and above all Asalam Aleikum!
Birds are watching over yall... and not 'sie steel ones'. MIG,
or F16 for instance! BTW; where is 'sie plane' that hit Pentagon?
Still haven't found out? Cool... guess yall have to wait 2008 elections
to find out, daaaaaamn!
'My heartbreak'! By RdN.
Cheers!
PS.
Intel will protect yall... after all, science always does, aaaaiiiight?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
21 Oct 2005 02:29:41 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:07:29 +0200, "rospaya_govnar"
<rospaya_govnar@gmail.com> wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person,
Projection on your part.
you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Have you ever heard of black-caucasian marriage that 'worked'?
*****, if a fag can marry a fag... damn, anyone can marry an atheist
and make it work! Daaaaaamn!
And vice versa, of course...
I am not a biggot! I believe in both atheism AND God!
BTW, in case you are wondering;
Sie doctor says I'm just fine... and he drank my meds.
Since sie doktorr made a wrong diganosis. Just to let ya know!
Enjoy yer Thanksgiving turkey... 'that's when your forfathers jerked me'.
Shalom, and above all Asalam Aleikum!
Birds are watching over yall... and not 'sie steel ones'. MIG,
or F16 for instance! BTW; where is 'sie plane' that hit Pentagon?
Still haven't found out? Cool... guess yall have to wait 2008 elections
to find out, daaaaaamn!
'My heartbreak'! By RdN.
Cheers!
PS.
Intel will protect yall... after all, science always does, aaaaiiiight?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 02:32:29 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:07:29 +0200, "rospaya_govnar"
<rospaya_govnar@gmail.com> wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Have you ever heard of black-caucasian marriage that 'worked'?
*****, if a fag can marry a fag... damn, anyone can marry an atheist
and make it work! Daaaaaamn!
And vice versa, of course...
I am not a biggot! I believe in both atheism AND God!
BTW, in case you are wondering;
Sie doctor says I'm just fine... and he drank my meds.
Since sie doktorr made a wrong diganosis. Just to let ya know!
Enjoy yer Thanksgiving turkey... 'that's when your forfathers jerked me'.
Shalom, and above all Asalam Aleikum!
Birds are watching over yall... and not 'sie steel ones'. MIG,
or F16 for instance! BTW; where is 'sie plane' that hit Pentagon?
Still haven't found out? Cool... guess yall have to wait 2008 elections
to find out, daaaaaamn!
'My heartbreak'! By RdN.
Cheers!
PS.
Intel will protect yall... after all, science always does, aaaaiiiight?
STFU, Mel.
<PLONK!>
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 10:47:34 AM |
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on 18 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet rospaya_govnar
(rospaya_govnar@gmail.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work,
especially where little respect to opposing views exists by the
parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol
scientists' say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of
course, backed up by scientific evidence, of course!
Obviously you have not experienced this, as asked for by the OP, so why
are you bothering to reply?
Have you ever heard of black-caucasian marriage that 'worked'?
Non sequitur, irrelevant to the OP's question.
*****, if a fag can marry a fag... damn, anyone can marry an atheist
and make it work! Daaaaaamn!
Once again, non-sequitur and irrelevant.
And vice versa, of course...
I am not a biggot! I believe in both atheism AND God!
You're obviously a troll trying to stir up trouble. Back under your
bridge!
<snip>
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Today's warm fuzzy example of Christian Love:
"1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he (JUDAH)drave out the
inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants
of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. IT WAS JUDAH YOU
DUMBFUCK.
Go back to masturbating to porn sites, you goddammned idiot."
-- Mikal 606
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 10:41:30 PM |
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rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
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| User: "Tomislav" |
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19 Oct 2005 07:02:18 AM |
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"Shto Bog spoji, neka chovjek ne rastavlja ..."
Chak iako se radi o ateistu i krscanki. Ili obratno.
I to je njegova odluka. Kada me sada ateisti opet napadnu
u replyu i to ce biti jer im je On omogucio.
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol
scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
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| User: "igor" |
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20 Oct 2005 02:13:41 PM |
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"Tomislav" <bios@mail.inet.hr> wrote in message
news:dj8120$hsl$1@sunce.iskon.hr...
"Shto Bog spoji, neka chovjek ne rastavlja ..."
Chak iako se radi o ateistu i krscanki. Ili obratno.
I to je njegova odluka. Kada me sada ateisti opet napadnu
u replyu i to ce biti jer im je On omogucio.
hvala dragom Bogu,isuseku,mariji i duhu svetome sto su mi omogucili da
napisem, ovako blagoslovljen,ovaj reply tebi,brate tomislave! radujmo se!
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| User: "Bob" |
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20 Oct 2005 03:23:19 PM |
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"igor" <igor64n@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:dj8q93$9h9$1@ss405.t-com.hr...
"Tomislav" <bios@mail.inet.hr> wrote in message
news:dj8120$hsl$1@sunce.iskon.hr...
"Shto Bog spoji, neka chovjek ne rastavlja ..."
Chak iako se radi o ateistu i krscanki. Ili obratno.
I to je njegova odluka. Kada me sada ateisti opet napadnu
u replyu i to ce biti jer im je On omogucio.
hvala dragom Bogu,isuseku,mariji i duhu svetome sto su mi omogucili da
napisem, ovako blagoslovljen,ovaj reply tebi,brate tomislave! radujmo se!
Sure, easy for you to say.
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| User: "lkjahds7yu3q4" |
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20 Oct 2005 04:21:36 PM |
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"igor" <igor64n@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:dj8q93$9h9$1@ss405.t-com.hr...
"Tomislav" <bios@mail.inet.hr> wrote in message
news:dj8120$hsl$1@sunce.iskon.hr...
"Shto Bog spoji, neka chovjek ne rastavlja ..."
Chak iako se radi o ateistu i krscanki. Ili obratno.
I to je njegova odluka. Kada me sada ateisti opet napadnu
u replyu i to ce biti jer im je On omogucio.
hvala dragom Bogu,isuseku,mariji i duhu svetome sto su mi omogucili da
napisem, ovako blagoslovljen,ovaj reply tebi,brate tomislave! radujmo se!
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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20 Oct 2005 03:01:47 AM |
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"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work,
especially where little respect to opposing views exists by the
parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol
scientists' say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of
course, backed up by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on
science.
YOURS might not be, but other people sure as hell use science as a basis
for rejecting any claims about the existence of "gods".
Scientific principle & occams razor etc etc come to mind.
Scientists will undoubtably discover the **incontrovertible** origins of
religious belief inside our brains and I bet within my lifetime someone
will find drugs to
a) supress religious belief
and
b) amplify it.
Vatican in a can.
vs
Clear thinking nasal spray.
Most scientists believe in God.
Nope. In total, about 60% of scientists in the United States expressed
disbelief or doubt in the existence of deities in 1996.
Here's some numbers from the National Academy of Science.
BELIEF IN PERSONAL GOD 1914 1933 1998
Personal belief 27.7 15 7.0
Personal disbelief 52.7 68 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.9 17 20.8
Almost *all* of the NAS dont believe, or don't care by ratio of 13:1.
Once you go below the NAS, percentage belief climbs until you reach the
lowest common denominator, john q public.
Scientific education correlates to atheism.
Now WHY is that surprising, eh?
Isaac Newton was a Christian.
Einstein was Jewish.
Faith has retreated from scientists minds *rather* a long way since
Newton. See above.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Now a scientific satanist sex story, that's what I want to see.
Hmm. "It was a dark and stormy night"...
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
Well, some of us DO believe in science-based atheism.
YMMV.
jesus
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| User: "lkjahds7yu3q4" |
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20 Oct 2005 07:02:15 AM |
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"Jesus H Christ" <jhc@catholic.religion.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F5B7671A732jhccatholicchurchinc@203.26.24.228...
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work,
especially where little respect to opposing views exists by the
parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol
scientists' say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of
course, backed up by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on
science.
YOURS might not be, but other people sure as hell use science as a basis
for rejecting any claims about the existence of "gods".
Scientific principle & occams razor etc etc come to mind.
Scientists will undoubtably discover the **incontrovertible** origins of
religious belief inside our brains and I bet within my lifetime someone
will find drugs to
a) supress religious belief
and
b) amplify it.
Vatican in a can.
vs
Clear thinking nasal spray.
Most scientists believe in God.
Nope. In total, about 60% of scientists in the United States expressed
disbelief or doubt in the existence of deities in 1996.
Here's some numbers from the National Academy of Science.
BELIEF IN PERSONAL GOD 1914 1933 1998
Personal belief 27.7 15 7.0
Personal disbelief 52.7 68 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.9 17 20.8
Almost *all* of the NAS dont believe, or don't care by ratio of 13:1.
Once you go below the NAS, percentage belief climbs until you reach the
lowest common denominator, john q public.
Scientific education correlates to atheism.
Now WHY is that surprising, eh?
Isaac Newton was a Christian.
Einstein was Jewish.
Faith has retreated from scientists minds *rather* a long way since
Newton. See above.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Now a scientific satanist sex story, that's what I want to see.
Hmm. "It was a dark and stormy night"...
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
Well, some of us DO believe in science-based atheism.
YMMV.
jesus
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| User: "lkjahds7yu3q4" |
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20 Oct 2005 12:00:24 AM |
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"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
lol
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
20 Oct 2005 12:12:47 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
lol
Why do you think that's funny, moron?
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| User: "lkjahds7yu3q4" |
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20 Oct 2005 12:24:30 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:lo9el1tb8ri0btshc3vg14l2bta6rceg13@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
lol
Why do you think that's funny, moron?
lol
lol
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
20 Oct 2005 01:56:24 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:12:47 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
lol
Why do you think that's funny, moron?
Because he's a moron.
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| User: "lkjahds7yu3q4" |
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20 Oct 2005 02:51:50 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
news:5sfel1dqa3qmm7eh39se1hgtkgo410p63e@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:12:47 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
lol
Why do you think that's funny, moron?
Because he's a moron.
i see you are,of course, talking about yourself...
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
20 Oct 2005 07:56:20 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:51:50 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
news:5sfel1dqa3qmm7eh39se1hgtkgo410p63e@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:12:47 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
lol
Why do you think that's funny, moron?
Because he's a moron.
i see you are,of course, talking about yourself...
An atheist taking the trouble to explain that all it means to be
atheist, is not being theist and that _none_ of the the vicious
slanders by Christians follow on from that, is a moron?
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| User: "lkjahds7yu3q4" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
20 Oct 2005 09:40:51 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:aq4fl1t9j8b6h5dlte1i52msq1kcs6qnv0@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:51:50 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
news:5sfel1dqa3qmm7eh39se1hgtkgo410p63e@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:12:47 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0200, "lkjahds7yu3q4"
<lkjahds7yu3q4@reality.gov> wrote:
"William T. Goat" <ericvonl@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129779690.734368.106980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
rospaya_govnar wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
Since you are a narrowminded person, you don't know, and are
not aware that 'anything is possible', no matter how 'sie evol scientists'
say that only things THEY 'approve' are possible. Of course, backed up
by scientific evidence, of course!
Why do you keep talking about science? Atheism is not based on science.
Most scientists believe in God. Isaac Newton was a Christian. Einstein
was Jewish.
If you hate science, go to a science newsgroup and complain there. If
you hate satanists, go to alt.satanism and complain there. If you hate
explicit sex, go to alt.sex.stories and complain there.
Atheism has nothing to do with any of your complaints. We simply don't
believe in god. You are inventing fictions about us.
lol
Why do you think that's funny, moron?
Because he's a moron.
i see you are,of course, talking about yourself...
An atheist taking the trouble to explain that all it means to be
atheist, is not being theist and that _none_ of the the vicious
slanders by Christians follow on from that, is a moron?
lol^100
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 01:54:49 AM |
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"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I forgot to add: *sorry I couldn't be more optimistic* about this.
I'd like to have been.
Katt.
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 12:52:29 AM |
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"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I wouldn't knowingly go into a marriage separated by that gulf. It could
very easily make things very difficult. There has to be a very strong bond
there and well defined agreements as to that aspect of the marriage, to
weather the storms that this will of course brew. Of course 30 years ago,
shall we say I didn't have my current world view, I was more religion
neutral but have become decidedly less so as the years passed. My wife on
the other hand has become more and more religiously inclined as the years
have passed, and much less religion neutral than when I met her. Bluntly, if
I knew then what I know now, I doubt it would have happened between my wife
and I. Let me also say that we do get along quite well, we just have areas
of our lives that we do not discuss often, and when we do, its frequently
not a very fruitful or enjoyable discussion.
Think with your brains, not your gonads. Easy to say and hard to do, unless
you have 30 years or so of marriage under your belt.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 10:45:07 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:52:29 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Larry Heath"
<lgheath@comcast.net> in <C7ednX_Yn8OFQsjeRVn-jA@comcast.com> wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I wouldn't knowingly go into a marriage separated by that gulf.
After all, look how fast Mary Matlin and James Carville got divorced.
Oh wait, bad example.
It could
very easily make things very difficult. There has to be a very strong bond
there and well defined agreements as to that aspect of the marriage, to
weather the storms that this will of course brew. Of course 30 years ago,
shall we say I didn't have my current world view, I was more religion
neutral but have become decidedly less so as the years passed. My wife on
the other hand has become more and more religiously inclined as the years
have passed, and much less religion neutral than when I met her. Bluntly, if
I knew then what I know now, I doubt it would have happened between my wife
and I. Let me also say that we do get along quite well, we just have areas
of our lives that we do not discuss often, and when we do, its frequently
not a very fruitful or enjoyable discussion.
Think with your brains, not your gonads. Easy to say and hard to do, unless
you have 30 years or so of marriage under your belt.
So you are saying that you and the Matlin-Carvilles are bad examples,
right?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
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http://www.savedarfur.org/
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 12:26:56 PM |
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9cqcl1tm6qqvuqoobblg8t5al5lo2vn515@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:52:29 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Larry Heath"
<lgheath@comcast.net> in <C7ednX_Yn8OFQsjeRVn-jA@comcast.com> wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I wouldn't knowingly go into a marriage separated by that gulf.
After all, look how fast Mary Matlin and James Carville got divorced.
Oh wait, bad example.
It could
very easily make things very difficult. There has to be a very strong bond
there and well defined agreements as to that aspect of the marriage, to
weather the storms that this will of course brew. Of course 30 years ago,
shall we say I didn't have my current world view, I was more religion
neutral but have become decidedly less so as the years passed. My wife on
the other hand has become more and more religiously inclined as the years
have passed, and much less religion neutral than when I met her. Bluntly,
if
I knew then what I know now, I doubt it would have happened between my
wife
and I. Let me also say that we do get along quite well, we just have areas
of our lives that we do not discuss often, and when we do, its frequently
not a very fruitful or enjoyable discussion.
Think with your brains, not your gonads. Easy to say and hard to do,
unless
you have 30 years or so of marriage under your belt.
So you are saying that you and the Matlin-Carvilles are bad examples,
right?
--
Matt Silberstein
Bad no, examples yes. It just makes a marriage that much more difficult and
requires just that much more work to make it work. Just how much work are
each party in a marriage willing to put forth becomes and issue. If the
union is based on merely sexual attraction will each party be willing to
sustain the union via other areas of the relationship when the first blush
of sexual attraction becomes less powerful? Some will, some will not
Might not be a bad idea in this case to live together for few years and see
how it goes, Oopps, that pesky religion things rears its ugly head again
don't it.
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 03:10:47 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:26:56 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Larry Heath"
<lgheath@comcast.net> in <uradnVIB2qFcH8veRVn-qQ@comcast.com> wrote:
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:9cqcl1tm6qqvuqoobblg8t5al5lo2vn515@4ax.com...
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:52:29 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Larry Heath"
<lgheath@comcast.net> in <C7ednX_Yn8OFQsjeRVn-jA@comcast.com> wrote:
"Desslock" <a02949285@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:1129698603.139156.133520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Anyone had any experience with this scenario? Can it work, especially
where little respect to opposing views exists by the parties involved?
I wouldn't knowingly go into a marriage separated by that gulf.
After all, look how fast Mary Matlin and James Carville got divorced.
Oh wait, bad example.
It could
very easily make things very difficult. There has to be a very strong bond
there and well defined agreements as to that aspect of the marriage, to
weather the storms that this will of course brew. Of course 30 years ago,
shall we say I didn't have my current world view, I was more religion
neutral but have become decidedly less so as the years passed. My wife on
the other hand has become more and more religiously inclined as the years
have passed, and much less religion neutral than when I met her. Bluntly,
if
I knew then what I know now, I doubt it would have happened between my
wife
and I. Let me also say that we do get along quite well, we just have areas
of our lives that we do not discuss often, and when we do, its frequently
not a very fruitful or enjoyable discussion.
Think with your brains, not your gonads. Easy to say and hard to do,
unless
you have 30 years or so of marriage under your belt.
So you are saying that you and the Matlin-Carvilles are bad examples,
right?
--
Matt Silberstein
Bad no, examples yes. It just makes a marriage that much more difficult and
requires just that much more work to make it work. Just how much work are
each party in a marriage willing to put forth becomes and issue. If the
union is based on merely sexual attraction will each party be willing to
sustain the union via other areas of the relationship when the first blush
of sexual attraction becomes less powerful? Some will, some will not
Might not be a bad idea in this case to live together for few years and see
how it goes, Oopps, that pesky religion things rears its ugly head again
don't it.
I am quite astounded, but not surprised, that no one suggested
anything along the lines of "Gee, why not look for a study on the
subject" or something like that. Everyone insists, even when defending
their "atheism" over religion, that introspection or personal
knowledge or some such thing would provide an answer. That living
together thing, for example. It turns out that living together before
marriage tells you pretty much nothing about how long people are going
to stay married. Forget your attempt to criticize religion, the facts
say that living together for a month or a year or ten years is not a
predictor of how long people will remain married. Religion is a mild
predictor in that religious people will tend to be married a bit
longer than non-religious (I could not find stats on mix marriages,
but people should have tried). I find that result pretty much
reasonable. The only good predictors of how long a couple will remain
married is their previous marital status. Divorced people are more
likely to get divorced again, widowed people less.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist & Christian marriage. Can it work? |
19 Oct 2005 03:31:32 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:10:47 GMT, Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I am quite astounded, but not surprised, that no one suggested
anything along the lines of "Gee, why not look for a study on the
subject" or something like that. Everyone insists, even when defending
their "atheism" over religion, that introspection or personal
knowledge or some such thing would provide an answer. That living
together thing, for example. It turns out that living together before
marriage tells you pretty much nothing about how long people are going
to stay married. Forget your attempt to criticize religion, the facts
say that living together for a month or a year or ten years is not a
predictor of how long people will remain married. Religion is a mild
predictor in that religious people will tend to be married a bit
longer than non-religious (I could not find stats on mix marriages,
but people should have tried). I find that result pretty much
reasonable. The only good predictors of how long a couple will remain
married is their previous marital status. Divorced people are more
likely to get divorced again, widowed people less.
That last statistical tidbit of yours (widowed people less) is worthless as
you've changed your distribution.
It's like stating that people who are alive are less likely to have died from
cancer. Says nothing.
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