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01 Jul 2007 08:00:41 PM |
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Atheist and theist friendships? |
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 02:36:56 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183338041.011422.291680@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
By and large, religion is a non-issue amongst my friends and I. A fairly
significant portion of my friends are basically non-religious, but as for
how many would classify themselves as atheists, I don't actually know.
However, I ended up marrying a theist, so obviously some of them can put up
with a "no god lifestyle".
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Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "V" |
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02 Jul 2007 04:57:30 PM |
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On Jul 2, 3:36?pm, "G-Ride" <gridenospa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183338041.011422.291680@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
By and large, religion is a non-issue amongst my friends and I. A fairly
significant portion of my friends are basically non-religious, but as for
how many would classify themselves as atheists, I don't actually know.
However, I ended up marrying a theist, so obviously some of them can put up
with a "no god lifestyle".
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Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
Thanks
You also touched on another question with atheist / theist marriage
issues.
v
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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01 Jul 2007 10:53:25 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183338041.011422.291680@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Take care,
I can't find many atheists to be friends with, so the few friends I have are
theists. I once had an atheist friend who was a sort of Communist. We used
to discuss politics.
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| User: "V" |
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02 Jul 2007 04:19:38 PM |
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On Jul 1, 11:53?pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183338041.011422.291680@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Take care,
I can't find many atheists to be friends with, so the few friends I have are
theists. I once had an atheist friend who was a sort of Communist. We used
to discuss politics.
Thanks for your reply.
I have been in both camps. Used to have all theist friends, then was
shunned from my skepticism and ended up with atheists.(at least
online)
But from being a spiritual agnostic 'leaning towards atheism,' I have
few friends in the atheist camp as well. (But do have a few friends at
less militant atheists forums - but they are more of a spirtual based
atheist as well)
Even with agnostics I find much prejudice. Started to get warnings,
thread deletions and problems at this forum after only a few posts.
http://www.agnosticforums.com/
Used to have a lfriend, an ex hippie, ex hare krishna/wicca lady. She
was pretty open minded. I was catholic back then and got along fine
with her. But I was open minded as well and not a dogmatic catholic.
As a dogmatic catholic would have kept pushing for a conversion for
her and her family to save their souls.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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10 Jul 2007 11:31:48 PM |
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"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 1, 11:53?pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183338041.011422.291680@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> What about
atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Take care,
I can't find many atheists to be friends with, so the few friends I have
are
theists. I once had an atheist friend who was a sort of Communist. We
used
to discuss politics.
Thanks for your reply.
I have been in both camps. Used to have all theist friends, then was
shunned from my skepticism and ended up with atheists.(at least
online)
But from being a spiritual agnostic 'leaning towards atheism,' I have
few friends in the atheist camp as well. (But do have a few friends at
less militant atheists forums - but they are more of a spirtual based
atheist as well)
Even with agnostics I find much prejudice. Started to get warnings,
thread deletions and problems at this forum after only a few posts.
http://www.agnosticforums.com/
Used to have a lfriend, an ex hippie, ex hare krishna/wicca lady. She
was pretty open minded. I was catholic back then and got along fine
with her. But I was open minded as well and not a dogmatic catholic.
As a dogmatic catholic would have kept pushing for a conversion for
her and her family to save their souls.
Take care,
I neglected to mention, that this Communist friend, was probably the first
person to ever say to me out loud, that there is no God, and I found that
liberating, since I had never had a conversation before, with a self-avowed
atheist. I had most always politely, in conversations, equivocated when on
the subject of religious beliefs, ever since the disasterous episode in my
youth when my family tried to force me to avow Christianity, and the
eventual physical altercation with my stepfather that literally blighted
most of my years. Now in this forum, I can have frank discussions with other
atheists and not fear for my freedom and safety, at least until the
Christo-fascist consummate the takeover of America..
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| User: "raven1" |
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02 Jul 2007 04:40:25 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:19:38 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 1, 11:53?pm, "ike milligan" <accordion...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
"V" <v...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1183338041.011422.291680@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Take care,
I can't find many atheists to be friends with, so the few friends I have are
theists. I once had an atheist friend who was a sort of Communist. We used
to discuss politics.
Thanks for your reply.
I have been in both camps. Used to have all theist friends, then was
shunned from my skepticism and ended up with atheists.(at least
online)
But from being a spiritual agnostic 'leaning towards atheism,' I have
few friends in the atheist camp as well. (But do have a few friends at
less militant atheists forums - but they are more of a spirtual based
atheist as well)
Even with agnostics I find much prejudice. Started to get warnings,
thread deletions and problems at this forum after only a few posts.
Why do you think that is?
Seriously, what is it about you that pisses off everybody, no matter
where you go?
Have you considered that the problem might be on your part, not on the
part of the rest of the universe?
HO! <whack!>
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "BDK" |
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02 Jul 2007 02:19:12 PM |
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In article <1183338041.011422.291680@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
vfr44@aol.com says...
What about atheists and theists friendships?
What about it?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
All but one of my friends are theists.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
Our lifestyles are so similar that it's meaningless. A lot more tension
comes from political views.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
The only old friend that dropped me is an atheist. He runs in "society"
circles now, and has no "use" for me..
I have even less use for him..
BDK
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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02 Jul 2007 07:25:20 AM |
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On Jul 1, 6:00 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
I would imagine that for most atheists, at least those living in the
United States, most of their friendships are with theists.
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
No. Why would they? At least, no more so than Christians avoid
friendships with Jews or vice versa.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
Since the vast majority of religious people don't really believe in
their religions, it mostly doesn't matter.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
I've never had that happen. I've been an open atheist for decades, and
I have never had that happen, even with the most devout theists. (Even
after I proved to them that their own priests don't believe the things
they claim to believe, they are always polite and friendly as they
explain that I am the devil and then we have drinks together.)
DS
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| User: "V" |
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02 Jul 2007 04:49:19 PM |
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On Jul 2, 8:25?am, David Schwartz <dav...@webmaster.com> wrote:
On Jul 1, 6:00 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
I would imagine that for most atheists, at least those living in the
United States, most of their friendships are with theists.
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
No. Why would they? At least, no more so than Christians avoid
friendships with Jews or vice versa.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
Since the vast majority of religious people don't really believe in
their religions, it mostly doesn't matter.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
I've never had that happen. I've been an open atheist for decades, and
I have never had that happen, even with the most devout theists. (Even
after I proved to them that their own priests don't believe the things
they claim to believe, they are always polite and friendly as they
explain that I am the devil and then we have drinks together.)
DS
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
No. Why would they? At least, no more so than Christians avoid
friendships with Jews or vice versa.
Why do I ask?
The vast majority of atheists I have run into are online. If you read
the replies I get you see why my views on atheism get flavored as
such.
So that is why I am trying to dig deeper to get a more rounded picture
of what it means to be an atheist.
I get bits and pieces here and there.
For instance, last December, I think on Fox news, they had a panel
arguing about politically correct Christmas. Five person panel plus
the moderator...all theists of one sort or another, but no agnostics
or atheists on it. Panel looked unbalanced in view to me...all pro
Jesus...all pro xmas.
V
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| User: "David Schwartz" |
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03 Jul 2007 01:32:11 AM |
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On Jul 2, 2:49 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
The vast majority of atheists I have run into are online.
Are you sure? Remember, the only way you can *know* you are dealing
with an atheist is if the subject of religion comes up.
If you read
the replies I get you see why my views on atheism get flavored as
such.
Replies in a forum on atheism? What do you expect?
Go into a forum on Islam and see what reactions you get. (I'm assuming
your Christian. If not, substitute an appropriate religon.)
So that is why I am trying to dig deeper to get a more rounded picture
of what it means to be an atheist.
It really doesn't mean all that much in particular. Many of the people
you think are theists are probably really atheists. They just lie and
think that they are the only ones (like in The Emperor's New Clothes).
See this post for one of the many ways I know this is true:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/ab8cd51cfb4fcedb?
DS
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02 Jul 2007 07:09:16 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:49:19 +0000, V wrote:
Why do I ask?
Because you have an amazing amount of time on your hands?
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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| User: "Medusa" |
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04 Jul 2007 06:49:39 PM |
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On Jul 1, 8:00 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
My friends and I do not discuss our religious differences. I have had
one atheist friend in college, but I have lost touch with her. My
best friend is a devout Catholic (though she does like Tom Lehrer's
song "Vatican Rag" and Monty Python's "Every Sperm Is Sacred" scene
from the movie "The Meaning Of Life.")
Another thing we do not discuss is food; I have been a vegetarian
since I was a teenager (many moons ago!) All my friends eat meat, but
I do not try to "convert" anyone to any of my beliefs. Nor do they
"work" on me.
Politics is another subject I leave out of my friendships, but I have
found most of them are on the same political page with me.
Medusa
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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02 Jul 2007 12:56:23 AM |
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On Jul 1, 8:00 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
No. I would estimate that about a third of my friends are theists.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
It depends. With some friends, part of the friendship involves
discussing and debating our viewpoints, which will sometimes be
religious. With others, it doesn't even occur to me most of the time
that they're theists.
About the only time I really have difficulty being friends with a
theist is when they loudly hold anti-scientific views. Fortunately, I
live at a university and socialize primarily with engineers,
mathematicians, and natural and social scientists, so I don't run into
those too often.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
That really hasn't happened to me, so far as I know.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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02 Jul 2007 12:29:29 AM |
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On Jul 1, 9:00 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
I used to date a christian. We stopped our romantic relationship for
reasons unrelated to religion, and we are still good friends.
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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02 Jul 2007 01:46:16 AM |
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On Jul 2, 2:00 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
I do have friends who are even more dysfunctional than you are, V. One
of them is an evangelical, fundamentalist, apologetic Christian. I
have been one of only two of her friends who visited her during her
spells of statutory hospital treatment. None of her Christian friends
did. That's to do with a thing called compassion.
Part of her delusional thinking is that I can be "saved" as she puts
it. I have never been less than frank with her regarding my views on
religion, our friendship is based on things other than what either of
us believe in.
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| User: "bob young" |
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02 Jul 2007 07:16:01 AM |
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"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." wrote:
On Jul 2, 2:00 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
I do have friends who are even more dysfunctional than you are, V. One
of them is an evangelical, fundamentalist, apologetic Christian. I
have been one of only two of her friends who visited her during her
spells of statutory hospital treatment. None of her Christian friends
did. That's to do with a thing called compassion.
Part of her delusional thinking is that I can be "saved" as she puts
it. I have never been less than frank with her regarding my views on
religion, our friendship is based on things other than what either of
us believe in.
This thread has highlighted some very sound sentiments
showing, in the main, how insignificant theism is
where normal human relionships are concerned.
Thanks for the original question V.
The religious leanings of most of my friends are unknown to me,
since we do not question each other about it
I only get up tight about fanatical beliefs when they start killing others
in the name of their gods.
Sad to to say, millions may die very soon for this reason
when Islamists get their hands on a nuclear device.
The sick killer at Glasgow airport yesterday was on fire himself whilst
throwing punches at police yelling 'Allah is great" - when religion
reaches these depths surely, aren't we all inclined to be atheists ?
Bob
humanist Brit.
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| User: "V" |
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02 Jul 2007 04:40:35 PM |
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On Jul 2, 8:16?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." wrote:
On Jul 2, 2:00 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
I do have friends who are even more dysfunctional than you are, V. One
of them is an evangelical, fundamentalist, apologetic Christian. I
have been one of only two of her friends who visited her during her
spells of statutory hospital treatment. None of her Christian friends
did. That's to do with a thing called compassion.
Part of her delusional thinking is that I can be "saved" as she puts
it. I have never been less than frank with her regarding my views on
religion, our friendship is based on things other than what either of
us believe in.
This thread has highlighted some very sound sentiments
showing, in the main, how insignificant theism is
where normal human relionships are concerned.
Thanks for the original question V.
The religious leanings of most of my friends are unknown to me,
since we do not question each other about it
I only get up tight about fanatical beliefs when they start killing others
in the name of their gods.
Sad to to say, millions may die very soon for this reason
when Islamists get their hands on a nuclear device.
The sick killer at Glasgow airport yesterday was on fire himself whilst
throwing punches at police yelling 'Allah is great" - when religion
reaches these depths surely, aren't we all inclined to be atheists ?
Bob
humanist Brit.- Hide quoted text -
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"I only get up tight about fanatical beliefs when they start killing
others
in the name of their gods."
Thanks for the reply Bob.
I think atheists would not get bent out of shape so much if they
adopted a more open approach to others as you have seem to have done
Bob. Less militant, so to speak. Saves wear and tear on the psyche.
Let the theist get mad...let the atheist chant...I as a secular
humanist and am at peace within and with all. Which would naturally
lead to the question of why doesn't your God offer you such peace
theist?
But then you may get killed by the theist out of jealousy! When the
atheist can 'out theist the theist' at their own game of love, charity
and inner peace...they have arrived.
BTW, have not seen many 'announced' humanists here. Maybe good to call
a roll call.
V
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| User: "V" |
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02 Jul 2007 04:25:19 PM |
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On Jul 2, 2:46?am, "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN."
<hugh.ja...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
On Jul 2, 2:00 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
I do have friends who are even more dysfunctional than you are, V. One
of them is an evangelical, fundamentalist, apologetic Christian. I
have been one of only two of her friends who visited her during her
spells of statutory hospital treatment. None of her Christian friends
did. That's to do with a thing called compassion.
Part of her delusional thinking is that I can be "saved" as she puts
it. I have never been less than frank with her regarding my views on
religion, our friendship is based on things other than what either of
us believe in.
Thanks for your candid reply.
Well, we all have limits, so dysfunctional can apply to us all more or
less.
v
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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02 Jul 2007 05:52:11 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
Most of my friends are Christians. A few are agnostic, one Jewish, and
none are atheist that I know of.
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| User: "Pt. Lurk Pt." |
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02 Jul 2007 10:16:17 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d90j839im18ktqvcqaqdemo5vh4f9jau9d@
Most of my friends are Christians. A few are agnostic, one Jewish, and
none are atheist that I know of.
Friends? You have no friends, Kolle: that's why you spend your entire life
account-shifting on newsgroups. Quit lying, you sad arsehole.
<re-re-re-re-re-plonk>
L.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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04 Jul 2007 06:25:52 PM |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:16:17 GMT, "Pt. Lurk" <Pt. Lurk@renvcom.net>
wrote:
"Daniel Kolle" <daniel.kolle@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d90j839im18ktqvcqaqdemo5vh4f9jau9d@
Most of my friends are Christians. A few are agnostic, one Jewish, and
none are atheist that I know of.
Friends? You have no friends, Kolle: that's why you spend your entire life
account-shifting on newsgroups. Quit lying, you sad arsehole.
<re-re-re-re-re-plonk>
L.
Yawn.
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| User: "raven1" |
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02 Jul 2007 02:33:51 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Most of my friends are theists, for the simple reason that most of the
people I know are theists. I would probably have a hard time being
friends with a fundamentalist of any religion, because they tend to
proselytize to the point of obnoxiousness, but I certainly wouldn't
shun anyone simply for their beliefs.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
My "no God" lifestyle is pretty much the same as theirs. Religion
really plays a minor role at best in most people's lives, at least in
New York City. Theists around here tend to limit their religious
involvement to paying lip service to the idea, possibly attending
church or synagogue on the weekend, and holiday and milestone
(wedding, funeral, etc) observances. It's not like the Bible Belt
where people are obsessed with the topic. Actually, the most
religiously observant people I know personally are Wiccan or Buddhist.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Never happened. Most New Yorkers are very much about "live and let
live".
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 03:41:09 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:qoki83pbavbempll02beuurj0jkeo1bmdu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Most of my friends are theists, for the simple reason that most of the
people I know are theists. I would probably have a hard time being
friends with a fundamentalist of any religion, because they tend to
proselytize to the point of obnoxiousness, but I certainly wouldn't
shun anyone simply for their beliefs.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
My "no God" lifestyle is pretty much the same as theirs. Religion
really plays a minor role at best in most people's lives, at least in
New York City. Theists around here tend to limit their religious
involvement to paying lip service to the idea, possibly attending
church or synagogue on the weekend, and holiday and milestone
(wedding, funeral, etc) observances. It's not like the Bible Belt
where people are obsessed with the topic. Actually, the most
religiously observant people I know personally are Wiccan or Buddhist.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Never happened. Most New Yorkers are very much about "live and let
live".
Most New Yorkers couldn't care less ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 03:45:12 PM |
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:41:09 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:qoki83pbavbempll02beuurj0jkeo1bmdu@4ax.com...
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Most of my friends are theists, for the simple reason that most of the
people I know are theists. I would probably have a hard time being
friends with a fundamentalist of any religion, because they tend to
proselytize to the point of obnoxiousness, but I certainly wouldn't
shun anyone simply for their beliefs.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
My "no God" lifestyle is pretty much the same as theirs. Religion
really plays a minor role at best in most people's lives, at least in
New York City. Theists around here tend to limit their religious
involvement to paying lip service to the idea, possibly attending
church or synagogue on the weekend, and holiday and milestone
(wedding, funeral, etc) observances. It's not like the Bible Belt
where people are obsessed with the topic. Actually, the most
religiously observant people I know personally are Wiccan or Buddhist.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Never happened. Most New Yorkers are very much about "live and let
live".
Most New Yorkers couldn't care less ;)
Exactly.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 04:55:05 PM |
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On Jul 2, 3:33?pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0000, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Most of my friends are theists, for the simple reason that most of the
people I know are theists. I would probably have a hard time being
friends with a fundamentalist of any religion, because they tend to
proselytize to the point of obnoxiousness, but I certainly wouldn't
shun anyone simply for their beliefs.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
My "no God" lifestyle is pretty much the same as theirs. Religion
really plays a minor role at best in most people's lives, at least in
New York City. Theists around here tend to limit their religious
involvement to paying lip service to the idea, possibly attending
church or synagogue on the weekend, and holiday and milestone
(wedding, funeral, etc) observances. It's not like the Bible Belt
where people are obsessed with the topic. Actually, the most
religiously observant people I know personally are Wiccan or Buddhist.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Never happened. Most New Yorkers are very much about "live and let
live".
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
Thanks for the reply
v
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 07:35:55 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:55:05 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 3:33?pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:00:41 -0000, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Most of my friends are theists, for the simple reason that most of the
people I know are theists. I would probably have a hard time being
friends with a fundamentalist of any religion, because they tend to
proselytize to the point of obnoxiousness, but I certainly wouldn't
shun anyone simply for their beliefs.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
My "no God" lifestyle is pretty much the same as theirs. Religion
really plays a minor role at best in most people's lives, at least in
New York City. Theists around here tend to limit their religious
involvement to paying lip service to the idea, possibly attending
church or synagogue on the weekend, and holiday and milestone
(wedding, funeral, etc) observances. It's not like the Bible Belt
where people are obsessed with the topic. Actually, the most
religiously observant people I know personally are Wiccan or Buddhist.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
Never happened. Most New Yorkers are very much about "live and let
live".
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
Thanks for the reply
As your question was respectful, and your reply not long-winded, I'm
not whacking you in response. You're welcome. Namaste.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 12:37:39 AM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, V <vfr44@aol.com> bloodied us up with this:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
I don't. Theism is not all there is to life or friendship. One of my best
friends is an agnostic. I only agree with his idiom that Christianity is
insane. He has some beliefs about the universe that just toast my nuts.
Do I care? No. Theism is not all there is to life or friendship. We are
co-workers, we have plenty of other ***** we share the same set of rails on.
I get along fine with most theists. Even when the subject of religion
comes up. There are a rare few I don't get along with, and those are the
ones who have to explain to you why they are right and you are wrong.
Those I do avoid. But doesn't everyone else?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
01 Jul 2007 11:22:18 PM |
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V wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
They are common as dirt. Of course, lots of theists don't
realize that many of their friends are atheist.
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Not in the least, as far as I can tell. I'm atheist, and
most of my friends are theist. I have met only a few
atheists, whose atheism I was aware of. I am open to
friendship with just about any acquaintance who is friendly
towards me. I try to set an example of friendliness. I
also whistle a lot.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
In some cases we discuss religion and belief on occasion,
but most people I know simple assume everybody hey meet
believes in the same things they believe in, and the subject
never comes up. I have had one friend abruptly ask me if I
was "an atheist", once. I answered, "Of course!" and we
proceeded to have a nice, long talk on the subject of
belief, skepticism and faith. Since then, neither of us has
mentioned the subject to the other.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
If it happened, they were slick enough about it that I never
realized why they drifted away. If they have caused me
negative influences, I am blissfully unaware of that.
Then, my head is in a cloud of bees, most of the time. I'm
not especially sensitive to social signals.
I'm a nerd. But not one who feels compelled to expound on
my lack of belief in deities to everyone I meet.
John Popelish
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 04:21:23 PM |
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On Jul 2, 12:22?am, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
V wrote:
What about atheists and theists friendships?
They are common as dirt. Of course, lots of theists don't
realize that many of their friends are atheist.
Do atheists avoid friendships with theists at almost any cost?
Not in the least, as far as I can tell. I'm atheist, and
most of my friends are theist. I have met only a few
atheists, whose atheism I was aware of. I am open to
friendship with just about any acquaintance who is friendly
towards me. I try to set an example of friendliness. I
also whistle a lot.
Or do you put your religious differences on the back burner as long as
they leave you be with your no god lifestyle?
In some cases we discuss religion and belief on occasion,
but most people I know simple assume everybody hey meet
believes in the same things they believe in, and the subject
never comes up. I have had one friend abruptly ask me if I
was "an atheist", once. I answered, "Of course!" and we
proceeded to have a nice, long talk on the subject of
belief, skepticism and faith. Since then, neither of us has
mentioned the subject to the other.
And what about old theist friends that may have dropped you when they
found out you are an atheist?
If it happened, they were slick enough about it that I never
realized why they drifted away. If they have caused me
negative influences, I am blissfully unaware of that.
Then, my head is in a cloud of bees, most of the time. I'm
not especially sensitive to social signals.
I'm a nerd. But not one who feels compelled to expound on
my lack of belief in deities to everyone I meet.
John Popelish
Thanks for the feedback John.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist and theist friendships? |
02 Jul 2007 07:07:44 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:21:23 +0000, V wrote:
V wrote:
Drivel.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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