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User: "Kikubaaqudgha"
Date: 16 Nov 2007 10:55:37 PM
Object: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity!
The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson
Anne Rice has nailed her vampire novels into a coffin.
"I will never write those kind of books again -- never," Rice said,
referring to three decades of work that include bestsellers like
"Interview with the Vampire" and other books in the Vampire Chronicles
series. Her books about witches and dark angels, she said, "were
reflections of a world that didn't include redemption."
"I made up my mind that I would not write anything that wasn't for
Christ," the former vampire queen explained. The title of her latest
novel stakes out Rice's new preoccupation. "Christ the Lord: Out of
Egypt" tells the story of a young Jesus from his point of view: a 7-
year-old boy who is discovering his powers and his identity.
This transformation is startling for a writer who previously summoned
vampires, witches and ghosts to life in tale after tale of supernatural
life. Two series of vampire books that began in 1976 with "Interview
with the Vampire," one series dealing with witches, and even a trio of
erotica written under the pen name A.N. Roquelaure all established an
elaborate network of mysterious characters, complex relationships, and
dark themes. Rice's use of the supernatural allowed her to look back
into history for baroque settings as well as contemporary ones for her
stories.
But though they didn't include Jesus, the writer says her previous books
have always pursued questions of morality. From the vampire Lestat to
the devil Memnoch, all her heroes are immortal outsiders who have
supernatural powers and who live in worlds where right and wrong matter
deeply. If the Russian novelist Dostoevsky had his Grand Inquisitor
interrogate Christ in "The Brothers Karamazov," Rice conducted her own
theological investigation in "Memnoch the Devil."
"The books in a way are like stations on a journey," Rice said. "They
reflect different points on a lifelong quest."
Her own faith journey is something of a round trip. Her new book is a
reflection of her return, in 1998, to the faith of her childhood. Raised
a Catholic in 1940s and 1950s New Orleans, that childhood experience of
a gumbo of cultures strongly spiced by religion gave her a keen
awareness of the beauty of faith. A sensual longing for beauty threads
through her work: from the Vampire Lestat's frock coat to rosewood
furniture to rapacious wisteria, the particulars of dress, décor, art,
and music are palpable on the pages of Rice's books.
But she left the church at age 18, beckoned by an adult world where
faith seemed unnecessary. Shortly thereafter she married a painter, the
late Stan Rice, whom she says was a "passionate atheist."
Decades and books later, the influence of Catholic friends and intense
curiosity about Jesus and his times slowly nudged her back to faith, but
not without soul-searching. "I spent a year tearing my hair out over
moral questions," she said. One afternoon in 1998 she asked her
assistant to recommend a priest who might hear her confession, a
Catholic rite of penitence. "She said, 'I know the perfect person, and
he's there now,'" Rice recalls. After a two-hour--"maybe even three"--
session with her confessor, Rice returned to the Church, setting aside
her reservations, especially the Catholic Church's stance on
homosexuality. (Rice's son, Christopher, is gay.) "I said, 'I will leave
these things in the hands of God.'"
She later remarried her husband in a Catholic ceremony at the parish
church of her childhood. He had accepted her return to faith. "We didn't
argue much about that sort of thing," she said. She had already begun
working on her Jesus novel when her husband became ill with a brain
tumor in 2002 and died four months later. Research for "Christ the
Lord" sustained her, she writes in a personal and revealing author's
note that both concludes the book and explains its genesis.
Rice says her return to the Church made writing about Jesus more
challenging. "I had to digest my experience and regain my sense that I
could do this," she said.
Rice immersed herself in Christian scholarship, and her book draws
heavily from many sources, from Josephus to N.T. Wright. But she
discards much of modern New Testament scholarship, as she explains in
the author's note. Her contempt for what she calls "skeptical
scholarship"--including "arguments that insisted most of the Gospels
were suspect, for instance, or written too late to be eyewitness
accounts"--is obvious throughout the note.
The story of Jesus that she constructs includes some legends about
miracles the boy performed. But she makes her tale consistent with the
Gospel of Luke, forming an elaborate and imaginative addition based on a
few lines describing Jesus' childhood. "I took my cue from Luke," she
says. "I saw a great framework there."
Rice's Christ is the young son of Mary who journeys with his family from
Alexandria, Egypt, where they fled after his birth, back to Nazareth. He
observes the social ostracism of his mother, who people believe
conceived her child before marriage. He also witnesses political unrest
among Jews and imperial Roman harshness toward their Jewish subjects.
Rice paints a picture of a young Christ who is both fully human and
fully divine. She elegantly captures his growing awareness of who he is
and the times in which he lives.
Rice was unsure of how both her traditional fans and traditional
Christians would react to her work. But her publisher, Alfred A. Knopf,
signaled its confidence in her new turn with its initial print run of
500,000 copies. Rice has been relieved and gratified by early responses
to the book. When retired New Orleans Archbishop Philip M. Hannan sent a
letter praising her work, "I practically fainted with gratitude," Rice
said. One review calls it one of the bolder retellings of the story of
Jesus.
As for her fans who are more accustomed to reading about immortal
vampires, Rice believes her newest character might not be so different.
"Is Christ our Lord not the ultimate supernatural hero," she asks
rhetorically in the author's ote, "the ultimate outsider, the ultimate
immortal of them all?"
In the end, Rice seems to consider her new book a gift, both to
Christians and to non-Christian fans of her previous work. "This is a
book I offer to all Christians," she writes, "to the fundamentalists, to
the Roman Catholics, to the most liberal Christians in the hope that my
embrace of more conservative doctrines will have some coherence for them
in the here and now of the book...
"I offer this book to those who know nothing of Jesus Christ in the hope
that you will see him in these pages in some form. I offer this novel
with love to my readers who've followed me through one strange turn
after another in the hope that Jesus will be as real to you as any other
character I've ever launched into the world we share."
Rice's future "strange turns" are likely to continue to be inspired by
Jesus. "My life is committed to Christ the Lord," she said. "My books
will be a reflection of that commitment."
.

User: "Seon Ferguson"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 02:25:26 AM
"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or Batman
catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.
.
User: "Stand Up Comedian"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 08:21:08 AM
"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in
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"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
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The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write
about the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.


No, but the holocaust does. Zing!
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 04:54:44 PM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:21:08 +0100 (CET), Stand Up Comedian
<stand@up.comedian> wrote:

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in
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"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write
about the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.



No, but the holocaust does. Zing!

Puerile Cretin
*plonk*
.

User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 08:40:54 AM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:21:08 +0100 (CET), in alt.atheism
Stand Up Comedian <stand@up.comedian> wrote in
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"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
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The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write
about the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.



No, but the holocaust does. Zing!

Grow up.
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 03:15:26 PM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:21:08 +0100, Stand Up Comedian wrote:

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in
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"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
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The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ. By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.



No, but the holocaust does. Zing!

Why that's so funny <plonk>
--
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------------------------------------------------------------
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glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach
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be adorned by a downright moron.â€
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User: "Seon Ferguson"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 04:55:55 PM
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The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ. By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.



No, but the holocaust does. Zing!


Why that's so funny <plonk>

Not (would him plonk if I could)
.


User: "Geoff"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 09:38:52 AM
Stand Up Comedian wrote:

"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in
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"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write
about the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.



No, but the holocaust does. Zing!

*plonk* Zing!
.


User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 04:53:35 PM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:25:26 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:


"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or Batman
catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.

He's much closer to "The Joker".
.
User: "Seon Ferguson"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 04:56:20 PM
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:25:26 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:


"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman
catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.


He's much closer to "The Joker".

That would be modern Christains.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 10:42:42 PM
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:56:20 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:


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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:25:26 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:


"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman
catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.


He's much closer to "The Joker".


That would be modern Christains.

Have you read some of the New Testament, the bits that they don't want
you to read?
Matthew
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out
our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone
who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into
the fire." 7:19
Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words
will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and
Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks
(see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
(Yes, entire cities!)
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family
members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword."
10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal
torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before
eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing
disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth
father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9,
Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their
parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off
their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be
"maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in
the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
Mark
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they
will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with
many stripes." 12:46-47
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not
rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the
words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him]
hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to
have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his
disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66
Romans
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters
(those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
The insane Revelation
Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
...etc...
Yeah you are correct, the Joker is too benign for this fictional
genocidal nutcase called Jesus.
.
User: "Seon Ferguson"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 18 Nov 2007 12:10:45 AM

Have you read some of the New Testament, the bits that they don't want
you to read?

Those verses used to work on me but not anymore.

Matthew
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out
our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone
who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

He was talking metaphorically, we need to remove the things that cause us to
sin. of course that's if he existed.

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into
the fire." 7:19

Which doesn't exist.

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words
will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and
Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks
(see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
(Yes, entire cities!)

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family
members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword."
10:34-36

Christians would say he meant he was fighting a war with evil.

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal
torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

So do modern Christians.

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before
eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing
disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth
father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9,
Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their
parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

Because he was Jewish, if he was a historical figure at all.

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off
their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be
"maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

Again the metaphor thing.

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in
the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

The Coming of the son of man will be like what happened in the time of Noah
If you read onwards you would see what he meant: 24:38 In the days before
the flood people ate and drank, men and women married, up to the very day
Noah went into the boat; yet they did not realise what happened until the
flood came and swept them away. That is how it will be if the son of man
comes
As you can see he meant it will be like what happened before the flood came,
people wont realise it until it actually happens. Of course the flood is
probably a myth as well.

Mark

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they
will go to hell. 4:11-12

He also said in another verse he speaks in them so people will clearly
understand them.
Here's what he actually said in this particular verse: "But the others, who
are on the outside, hear everything by means of parables so that they may
look and look yet not see; they may listen and listen, yet not understand.
For if they did they would turn to God, and he would forgive them"
Am I the only one here who realised he meant he speaks in parables so only
his followers or those who have been forgiven can understand him?

Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with
many stripes." 12:46-47

That's not in my Bible. Maybe they left it out on purpose.

In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not
rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the
words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him]
hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27

Again I can't find it hmmm

Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to
have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his
disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66

Another metaphor like the cutting of your hands thing. he didnt ligterally
want us to do this otherwise he would have cut himself up.

Romans

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters
(those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

Jesus never said that.

The insane Revelation

Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7

You said it: its insane.

..etc...


Yeah you are correct, the Joker is too benign for this fictional
genocidal nutcase called Jesus.

If you interpret everything Jesus said as literal then yes, he was one sick
mother fucker.
Of course their is no evidence to support any of the things he allegedly
taught.
Oh and thanks for making me read my Bible (sarcasm)
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 18 Nov 2007 01:24:42 AM
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:10:45 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:

Have you read some of the New Testament, the bits that they don't want
you to read?

:

Mark

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they
will go to hell. 4:11-12


He also said in another verse he speaks in them so people will clearly
understand them.

You proceed to quote Mark 4:12, which is a part of the objection.

Here's what he actually said in this particular verse: "But the others, who
are on the outside, hear everything by means of parables so that they may
look and look yet not see; they may listen and listen, yet not understand.
For if they did they would turn to God, and he would forgive them"

It was not written in English, so he could not have "said" this, even
in translation.
What he is supposed to have said is:
(accepted transliteration of Koine in to English letters)
"EN PARABOLIAS TA PANTA GINETAI, hINA BLEPONTES BLEPSWIN KAI MH
IDSWIN..."
"Everything come in parables because..."
(Later confirmed by Matt 13:13)
The interpretation of "hINA" is vital here.
In its final sense, it is causal, implying a deliberate concealment of
the truth, yet in its other case, the sense implies that it is a
resultant upon the decision of voluntary ignorance.
I'm afraid that this is a classic case of relying on a faulty English
translation leads one to a concrete and absolute misreading.
Which is why I urged you to learn the languages concerned... ;)

Am I the only one here who realised he meant he speaks in parables so only
his followers or those who have been forgiven can understand him?

I do not know the answer to that question.
What I do know is that your interpretation is based upon missing
scholarship.
No offense meant, but that appears to be the case here.

Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with
many stripes." 12:46-47


That's not in my Bible. Maybe they left it out on purpose.

KJV:
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared
not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with
many [stripes].

In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not
rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the
words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him]
hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27


Again I can't find it hmmm

Luke 19:22.
I may have missed a heading somewhere in my haste!

Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to
have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his
disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66


Another metaphor like the cutting of your hands thing. he didnt ligterally
want us to do this otherwise he would have cut himself up.


Romans

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters
(those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32


Jesus never said that.

I understand that you are highlighting a potential misattribution on
my behalf. ;)
But what makes you so sure sure that he did not utter such a thing? :(

The insane Revelation

Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7


You said it: its insane.


..etc...


Yeah you are correct, the Joker is too benign for this fictional
genocidal nutcase called Jesus.


If you interpret everything Jesus said as literal then yes, he was one sick
mother fucker.

Quite.
And thus ain't even half of it.

Of course their is no evidence to support any of the things he allegedly
taught.

Oh and thanks for making me read my Bible (sarcasm)

Glad to be of service! ;)
.
User: "Seon Ferguson"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 18 Nov 2007 02:57:22 AM

I do not know the answer to that question.
What I do know is that your interpretation is based upon missing
scholarship.
No offense meant, but that appears to be the case here.

None taken I just interpreted it using my own feelings and using what I
thought.

KJV:
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared
not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with
many [stripes].

Well I don't know the context in which this passage was in. but Jesus doesn't
oppose slavery because during his time slavery was the social norm. that's
why the Bible is filled with ethics that belong to a more barbaric time in
human history.

Luke 19:22.
I may have missed a heading somewhere in my haste!

Yes the character in Jesus's parable was certainly one brutal tyrant. I'm
confused about why he would use this parable as an example.
But if I had to guess I'd say maybe the King wanted his servants to create
more money for him with the gold coins. That's what God wants, for us to use
our gift (life) to serve him. The king was angry with the servant who just
had a coin because he was to afraid with him to use his gift? I don't know
again that was just a guess.

I understand that you are highlighting a potential misattribution on
my behalf. ;)
But what makes you so sure sure that he did not utter such a thing? :(

I don't know, I don't even know if their really was a Jesus. However none of
the scriptures quote Jesus as saying such a thing.
Oh yeah and its possible the Bible I have could have many translation
errors.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 18 Nov 2007 03:45:28 AM
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:

I do not know the answer to that question.
What I do know is that your interpretation is based upon missing
scholarship.
No offense meant, but that appears to be the case here.


None taken I just interpreted it using my own feelings and using what I
thought.

KJV:
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared
not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with
many [stripes].

Well I don't know the context in which this passage was in. but Jesus doesn't
oppose slavery because during his time slavery was the social norm. that's
why the Bible is filled with ethics that belong to a more barbaric time in
human history.

Luke 19:22.
I may have missed a heading somewhere in my haste!

Yes the character in Jesus's parable was certainly one brutal tyrant. I'm
confused about why he would use this parable as an example.
But if I had to guess I'd say maybe the King wanted his servants to create
more money for him with the gold coins. That's what God wants, for us to use
our gift (life) to serve him. The king was angry with the servant who just
had a coin because he was to afraid with him to use his gift? I don't know
again that was just a guess.


I understand that you are highlighting a potential misattribution on
my behalf. ;)
But what makes you so sure sure that he did not utter such a thing? :(


I don't know, I don't even know if their really was a Jesus. However none of
the scriptures quote Jesus as saying such a thing.
Oh yeah and its possible the Bible I have could have many translation
errors.






All in all: a reasonable and considered reply.
Most refreshing. :)
Are you reading this from alt.atheism?
I ask that as I am considering eliding alt.abortion &
rec.sport.pro-wrestling from the cross-posts.
.
User: "Seon Ferguson"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 18 Nov 2007 04:32:46 AM
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:o820k35j72iqas7g52v8qm0gvtf5tkpsbr@4ax.com...

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:

I do not know the answer to that question.
What I do know is that your interpretation is based upon missing
scholarship.
No offense meant, but that appears to be the case here.


None taken I just interpreted it using my own feelings and using what I
thought.

KJV:
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared
not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with
many [stripes].

Well I don't know the context in which this passage was in. but Jesus
doesn't
oppose slavery because during his time slavery was the social norm. that's
why the Bible is filled with ethics that belong to a more barbaric time in
human history.

Luke 19:22.
I may have missed a heading somewhere in my haste!

Yes the character in Jesus's parable was certainly one brutal tyrant. I'm
confused about why he would use this parable as an example.
But if I had to guess I'd say maybe the King wanted his servants to create
more money for him with the gold coins. That's what God wants, for us to
use
our gift (life) to serve him. The king was angry with the servant who just
had a coin because he was to afraid with him to use his gift? I don't know
again that was just a guess.


I understand that you are highlighting a potential misattribution on
my behalf. ;)
But what makes you so sure sure that he did not utter such a thing? :(


I don't know, I don't even know if their really was a Jesus. However none
of
the scriptures quote Jesus as saying such a thing.
Oh yeah and its possible the Bible I have could have many translation
errors.







All in all: a reasonable and considered reply.
Most refreshing. :)

Are you reading this from alt.atheism?
I ask that as I am considering eliding alt.abortion &
rec.sport.pro-wrestling from the cross-posts.

Yep I subscribed to it a week or two ago.
.

User: "Robert"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 18 Nov 2007 02:22:27 PM
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:15:28 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:

I do not know the answer to that question.
What I do know is that your interpretation is based upon missing
scholarship.
No offense meant, but that appears to be the case here.


None taken I just interpreted it using my own feelings and using what I
thought.

KJV:
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared
not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with
many [stripes].

Well I don't know the context in which this passage was in. but Jesus doesn't
oppose slavery because during his time slavery was the social norm. that's
why the Bible is filled with ethics that belong to a more barbaric time in
human history.

Luke 19:22.
I may have missed a heading somewhere in my haste!

Yes the character in Jesus's parable was certainly one brutal tyrant. I'm
confused about why he would use this parable as an example.
But if I had to guess I'd say maybe the King wanted his servants to create
more money for him with the gold coins. That's what God wants, for us to use
our gift (life) to serve him. The king was angry with the servant who just
had a coin because he was to afraid with him to use his gift? I don't know
again that was just a guess.


I understand that you are highlighting a potential misattribution on
my behalf. ;)
But what makes you so sure sure that he did not utter such a thing? :(


I don't know, I don't even know if their really was a Jesus. However none of
the scriptures quote Jesus as saying such a thing.
Oh yeah and its possible the Bible I have could have many translation
errors.







All in all: a reasonable and considered reply.
Most refreshing. :)

Are you reading this from alt.atheism?
I ask that as I am considering eliding alt.abortion &
rec.sport.pro-wrestling from the cross-posts.

Good idea, please do that.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.








User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 08:15:05 AM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:25:26 +1100, Seon Ferguson wrote:

"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ. By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.

Probably not.
The one thing that makes me (somewhat) sympathetic to the woman is that
she's had an amazingly tragic life. Her "mad at god" phase started with
the loss of a child and her running back to the RCC was triggered by the
death of her husband.
Rice is basically one messed up lady. If the theists want to crow about
nabbing her, fine with me...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar
doctrine that age brings wisdom.â€
- H. L. Mencken
.
User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 06:16:05 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:dNmdnTEMb5P0aqPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@giganews.com:

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:25:26 +1100, Seon Ferguson wrote:

"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write

about

the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ. By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.


Probably not.

The one thing that makes me (somewhat) sympathetic to the woman is that
she's had an amazingly tragic life. Her "mad at god" phase started with
the loss of a child and her running back to the RCC was triggered by

the

death of her husband.

Rice is basically one messed up lady. If the theists want to crow about
nabbing her, fine with me...

Which of our resident christrolls was it who bragged about Jeffery Dahmer
having been a christer?
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 18 Nov 2007 01:55:19 PM
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:16:05 +0000, Doc Smartass wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:dNmdnTEMb5P0aqPanZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@giganews.com:

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:25:26 +1100, Seon Ferguson wrote:

"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write

about

the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ. By Marcia Z. Nelson


I'm starting to wonder if Jesus really does fit into the Superman or
Batman catagory. Its sad, I hope someone can save her.


Probably not.

The one thing that makes me (somewhat) sympathetic to the woman is that
she's had an amazingly tragic life. Her "mad at god" phase started with
the loss of a child and her running back to the RCC was triggered by

the

death of her husband.

Rice is basically one messed up lady. If the theists want to crow about
nabbing her, fine with me...


Which of our resident christrolls was it who bragged about Jeffery
Dahmer having been a christer?

I don't recall but that hardly surprises...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
.




User: "Merrow"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 06:04:33 AM
"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


Anne Rice has nailed her vampire novels into a coffin.

"I will never write those kind of books again -- never," Rice said

She'll never write books like that again never? Isn't that a peculiar
double-negative? So should we expect more vampire books, or not? And will
they be as weak as the last few she wrote? Personally I think her vampire
stories had run their course by the end of 'Body Thief' - and even that was
a fairly precarious premise. But the Vampire Chronicles were replete with
Christian symbolism - Memnoch in particular revolved around it - and most of
the character's existential angst seems based on God, and sin, and Heaven
and Hell. Personally I don't think she was ever an atheist. I suspect
what's happened here is that (if she said anything like what's quoted here)
she's just dropped into a slightly more zealous sort of Christianity that
frowns on writing books about the undead.
Still, above all else is the fact that this isn't news - as already pointed
out. This report was doing the rounds on Usenet at least a couple of years
ago.
I've removed two groups because try as I might I couldn't see how they were
relevant.
.

User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 10:08:19 AM
"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson

Maybe she changed her mind after she read the story about how Jesus was
created and decided that consensual sex that produces a pregnancy is worth
getting married and keeping the child instead of going with the fiction
purveyors of roevwade.
Why do you think the Exorcist had Linda Blair ramming a cross up her ***** as
if she was a demon possessed abortionist during the roevwade era who knew
she was having children crucified?
Rosemary's baby and Damien are still ranked in the category of movies from a
loser sect that acts like evil is better than good as they try to instill
fear into the minds and hearts of people.
I remember watching "The Fog" and laughing about it.
Who, in reality, is going to attribute any power or recognition to evil as
if it is something to fear?
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 03:17:13 PM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:08:19 -0500, John D. Wentzky wrote:

"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ. By Marcia Z. Nelson


Maybe she changed her mind after she read the story about how Jesus was
created and decided that consensual sex that produces a pregnancy is
worth getting married and keeping the child instead of going with the
fiction purveyors of roevwade.

You mean after god raped Mary?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you're
told. Religion is doing what you're told, not matter what
is right."

- Jerry Sturdivant
.


User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 05:16:23 AM
"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson

Old news. Why should anyone give a ***** anyway? That hack's laughing all
the way to the bank.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
.
User: "Hatter"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 19 Nov 2007 11:29:35 AM
On Nov 17, 6:16 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Kikubaaqudgha" <l...@love.love> wrote in message

news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


Old news. Why should anyone give a ***** anyway? That hack's laughing all
the way to the bank.
--

Yeah I find it amusingly fortuitous that she found a new niche market
and way to get into the news about it just when her old niche market
stopped expressing interest in her writing.
What a coincidence.
Hatter
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 08:15:38 AM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:16:23 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:

"Kikubaaqudgha" <love@love.love> wrote in message
news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26...

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ. By Marcia Z. Nelson


Old news. Why should anyone give a ***** anyway? That hack's laughing
all the way to the bank.

And still hasn't paid her back taxes...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“I believe in only one thing: liberty; but I do not
believe in liberty enough to want to force it upon anyone.â€
- H. L. Mencken
.


User: "plover"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 06:54:03 AM
1. At no point does she say she was an atheist. She was married to one (who
agreed to "remarry" her in a Catholic ceremony!)
2. Her books are all concerned with (and appear to take seriously)
supernatural claptrap like vampires, the undead, blah blah blah.
3. She is now a Catholic again, believing in virgin birth, bodily
resurrection, transubstantiation, blah blah blah.
Not much of a story, really.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 04:57:03 PM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:54:03 +1100, "plover" <plv@netcast.com.au>
wrote:

1. At no point does she say she was an atheist. She was married to one (who
agreed to "remarry" her in a Catholic ceremony!)

2. Her books are all concerned with (and appear to take seriously)
supernatural claptrap like vampires, the undead, blah blah blah.

3. She is now a Catholic again, believing in virgin birth, bodily
resurrection, transubstantiation, blah blah blah.


Not much of a story, really.

It's the very best that the desperate lunatics have.
And that Amthony Flew rubbish.
.


User: "Virgil"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 16 Nov 2007 11:10:33 PM
In article <Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@194.177.96.26>,
Kikubaaqudgha <love@love.love> wrote:

The best-selling author gives up writing about vampires to write about
the 'ultimate supernatural hero' -- Jesus Christ.
By Marcia Z. Nelson


Anne Rice has nailed her vampire novels into a coffin.

"I will never write those kind of books again -- never," Rice said,
referring to three decades of work that include bestsellers like
"Interview with the Vampire" and other books in the Vampire Chronicles
series. Her books about witches and dark angels, she said, "were
reflections of a world that didn't include redemption."

"I made up my mind that I would not write anything that wasn't for
Christ," the former vampire queen explained. The title of her latest
novel stakes out Rice's new preoccupation. "Christ the Lord: Out of
Egypt" tells the story of a young Jesus from his point of view: a 7-
year-old boy who is discovering his powers and his identity.

This transformation is startling for a writer who previously summoned
vampires, witches and ghosts to life in tale after tale of supernatural
life. Two series of vampire books that began in 1976 with "Interview
with the Vampire," one series dealing with witches, and even a trio of
erotica written under the pen name A.N. Roquelaure all established an
elaborate network of mysterious characters, complex relationships, and
dark themes. Rice's use of the supernatural allowed her to look back
into history for baroque settings as well as contemporary ones for her
stories.

But though they didn't include Jesus, the writer says her previous books
have always pursued questions of morality. From the vampire Lestat to
the devil Memnoch, all her heroes are immortal outsiders who have
supernatural powers and who live in worlds where right and wrong matter
deeply. If the Russian novelist Dostoevsky had his Grand Inquisitor
interrogate Christ in "The Brothers Karamazov," Rice conducted her own
theological investigation in "Memnoch the Devil."

"The books in a way are like stations on a journey," Rice said. "They
reflect different points on a lifelong quest."

Her own faith journey is something of a round trip. Her new book is a
reflection of her return, in 1998, to the faith of her childhood. Raised
a Catholic in 1940s and 1950s New Orleans, that childhood experience of
a gumbo of cultures strongly spiced by religion gave her a keen
awareness of the beauty of faith. A sensual longing for beauty threads
through her work: from the Vampire Lestat's frock coat to rosewood
furniture to rapacious wisteria, the particulars of dress, décor, art,
and music are palpable on the pages of Rice's books.

But she left the church at age 18, beckoned by an adult world where
faith seemed unnecessary. Shortly thereafter she married a painter, the
late Stan Rice, whom she says was a "passionate atheist."

Decades and books later, the influence of Catholic friends and intense
curiosity about Jesus and his times slowly nudged her back to faith, but
not without soul-searching. "I spent a year tearing my hair out over
moral questions," she said. One afternoon in 1998 she asked her
assistant to recommend a priest who might hear her confession, a
Catholic rite of penitence. "She said, 'I know the perfect person, and
he's there now,'" Rice recalls. After a two-hour--"maybe even three"--
session with her confessor, Rice returned to the Church, setting aside
her reservations, especially the Catholic Church's stance on
homosexuality. (Rice's son, Christopher, is gay.) "I said, 'I will leave
these things in the hands of God.'"

She later remarried her husband in a Catholic ceremony at the parish
church of her childhood. He had accepted her return to faith. "We didn't
argue much about that sort of thing," she said. She had already begun
working on her Jesus novel when her husband became ill with a brain
tumor in 2002 and died four months later. Research for "Christ the
Lord" sustained her, she writes in a personal and revealing author's
note that both concludes the book and explains its genesis.

Rice says her return to the Church made writing about Jesus more
challenging. "I had to digest my experience and regain my sense that I
could do this," she said.

Rice immersed herself in Christian scholarship, and her book draws
heavily from many sources, from Josephus to N.T. Wright. But she
discards much of modern New Testament scholarship, as she explains in
the author's note. Her contempt for what she calls "skeptical
scholarship"--including "arguments that insisted most of the Gospels
were suspect, for instance, or written too late to be eyewitness
accounts"--is obvious throughout the note.

The story of Jesus that she constructs includes some legends about
miracles the boy performed. But she makes her tale consistent with the
Gospel of Luke, forming an elaborate and imaginative addition based on a
few lines describing Jesus' childhood. "I took my cue from Luke," she
says. "I saw a great framework there."

Rice's Christ is the young son of Mary who journeys with his family from
Alexandria, Egypt, where they fled after his birth, back to Nazareth. He
observes the social ostracism of his mother, who people believe
conceived her child before marriage. He also witnesses political unrest
among Jews and imperial Roman harshness toward their Jewish subjects.
Rice paints a picture of a young Christ who is both fully human and
fully divine. She elegantly captures his growing awareness of who he is
and the times in which he lives.

Rice was unsure of how both her traditional fans and traditional
Christians would react to her work. But her publisher, Alfred A. Knopf,
signaled its confidence in her new turn with its initial print run of
500,000 copies. Rice has been relieved and gratified by early responses
to the book. When retired New Orleans Archbishop Philip M. Hannan sent a
letter praising her work, "I practically fainted with gratitude," Rice
said. One review calls it one of the bolder retellings of the story of
Jesus.

As for her fans who are more accustomed to reading about immortal
vampires, Rice believes her newest character might not be so different.
"Is Christ our Lord not the ultimate supernatural hero," she asks
rhetorically in the author's ote, "the ultimate outsider, the ultimate
immortal of them all?"

In the end, Rice seems to consider her new book a gift, both to
Christians and to non-Christian fans of her previous work. "This is a
book I offer to all Christians," she writes, "to the fundamentalists, to
the Roman Catholics, to the most liberal Christians in the hope that my
embrace of more conservative doctrines will have some coherence for them
in the here and now of the book...

"I offer this book to those who know nothing of Jesus Christ in the hope
that you will see him in these pages in some form. I offer this novel
with love to my readers who've followed me through one strange turn
after another in the hope that Jesus will be as real to you as any other
character I've ever launched into the world we share."

Rice's future "strange turns" are likely to continue to be inspired by
Jesus. "My life is committed to Christ the Lord," she said. "My books
will be a reflection of that commitment."

Rice's depiction of vampires is the more believable.
.

User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 05:55:41 PM
Kikubaaqudgha <love@love.love> wrote in news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@
194.177.96.26:

Subject: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity!

....several years ago.
Also in the news, the sun rises in the East, there's unrest in the Middle
East, and my belly button has lint.
Back to you, John.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity! 17 Nov 2007 10:52:08 PM
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:55:41 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote:

Kikubaaqudgha <love@love.love> wrote in news:Xns99EAD4E08F1600913@
194.177.96.26:

Subject: Atheist Anne Rice converts to Christianity!


...several years ago.

Also in the news, the sun rises in the East, there's unrest in the Middle
East, and my belly button has lint.

Back to you, John.

In breaking news just handed to me:
A recent poll reveals that 99% of people think that water is wet.
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