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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 15 Aug 2007 02:38:41 PM
Object: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies
http://www.cityside.org.nz/node/300
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies - Hector Avalos
Avalos' new book, "The End of Bible Studies", is due out in July 2007.
Here's the blurb: "In this radical critique of his own academic
speciality, biblical scholar Hector Avalos calls for an end to
biblical studies as we know them. He outlines two main arguments for
this surprising conclusion. First, academic biblical scholarship has
clearly succeeded in showing that the ancient civilisation that
produced the Bible held beliefs about the origin, nature, and purpose
of the world and humanity that are fundamentally opposed to the views
of modern society. The Bible is thus largely irrelevant to the needs
and concerns of contemporary human beings. Second, Avalos criticises
his colleagues for applying a variety of flawed and specious
techniques aimed at maintaining the illusion that the Bible is still
relevant in today's world. In effect, he accuses his profession of
being more concerned about its self-preservation than about giving an
honest account of its own findings to the general public and faith
communities. Dividing his study into two parts, Avalos first examines
the principal sub-disciplines of biblical studies (textual criticism,
archaeology, historical criticism, literary criticism, biblical
theology, and translations) in order to show how these fields are
still influenced by religiously motivated agendas despite claims to
independence from religious premises. In the second part, he focuses
on the infrastructure that supports academic biblical studies to
maintain the value of the profession and the Bible. This
infrastructure includes academia (public and private universities and
colleges), churches, the media-publishing complex, and professional
organisations such as the Society of Biblical Literature. In a
controversial conclusion, Avalos argues that our world is best served
by leaving the Bible as a relic of an ancient civilisation instead of
the "living" document most religionist scholars believe it should be.
He urges his colleagues to concentrate on educating the broader
society to recognise the irrelevance and even violent effects of the
Bible in modern life."
This follows on from his article last year on SBL:
Hector Avalos on SBL
Avalos, PhD Harvard 1991, was a fundamentalist child evangelist. Now
he's a militant atheist, the faculty adviser to the Iowa State
University Atheist and Agnostic Society. He's executive director of a
group affiliated with the Council for Secular Humanism that seeks to
debunk religion. He was a fundamentalist Christian and now he's a
fundamentalist atheist. He preached and practiced faith healing from
age 7 to 17 and became an atheist in college.
.

User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 23 Aug 2007 09:43:22 PM
On Aug 23, 8:26 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:30:38 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I don't feel much like arguing today. On the twelveth hold, i
stepped into a sand bunker and twisted my ancle. the Ecobioloisgists
argured what whould have happened in the few inches of birth canal
that would make a fetus special from a new born? In other words
infanticide is just a worthy as before birth. I'm quoting the
professors now not me.


Abortions in the 9th month of pregnancy are almost ALWAYS to save the
woman's life or to remove a dead fetus, but it's standard dead-brain
policy to equate "abortion" with "viable child and trouble-free
pregnancy", so I'm not in the least surprised. That they would say it
or that you would use it.

I was in pain. Correction: on the twelvth hole, I stepped into a deep
sand bunker and twisted my ankle. Done that a thousand times and
never did the ankle turn over like that. You wouldn't believe the ice
and beer it took all afternoon to make the pain tolerable! The
bioethicists argued that even the few inches of the birth canal would
not make a difference in the moral status of the baby. I am not
preperared to go that far. We have to draw a line somewhere. But the
main point was that abortion is used as a convinient timeline for
ridding oneself of a baby, amounting to caluculated infanticide, which
was my point all allong. You were wrong, just accept it, it's not
really that big a deal. But I know of what I speak about. Ken
.
User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 24 Aug 2007 04:02:16 AM
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:43:22 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

But the
main point was that abortion is used as a convinient timeline for
ridding oneself of a baby, amounting to caluculated infanticide,

By that measure, so is every form of contraception.
....Including abstinence.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 24 Aug 2007 09:38:41 AM
On Aug 24, 4:02 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:43:22 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

But the
main point was that abortion is used as a convinient timeline for
ridding oneself of a baby, amounting to caluculated infanticide,


By that measure, so is every form of contraception.

...Including abstinence.

--

The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.

So is living on a desert Island, but once the egg has been fertilized,
sometimes it becomes a sticky wicket for some and something has to be
done. That has nothing to do with rape=lovemaking anyway, if you have
read through the forum. Ken
.
User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 24 Aug 2007 11:46:02 AM
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:38:41 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Aug 24, 4:02 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:43:22 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

But the
main point was that abortion is used as a convinient timeline for
ridding oneself of a baby, amounting to caluculated infanticide,


By that measure, so is every form of contraception.

...Including abstinence.

--

The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.


So is living on a desert Island, but once the egg has been fertilized,
sometimes it becomes a sticky wicket for some and something has to be
done. That has nothing to do with rape=lovemaking anyway,

If abotrion=infantacide, it does.

if you have
read through the forum. Ken

--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 24 Aug 2007 02:55:24 PM
On Aug 24, 11:46 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:38:41 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:





On Aug 24, 4:02 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:43:22 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


But the
main point was that abortion is used as a convinient timeline for
ridding oneself of a baby, amounting to caluculated infanticide,


By that measure, so is every form of contraception.


...Including abstinence.


--


The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own


#162 BAAWA Knight.


So is living on a desert Island, but once the egg has been fertilized,
sometimes it becomes a sticky wicket for some and something has to be
done. That has nothing to do with rape=lovemaking anyway,


If abotrion=infantacide, it does.

if you have
read through the forum. Ken


--

The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.- Hide quoted text -

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By the way, that statement about any contraceptive being infanticide
is exactly the stand the Pope takes. You aren't the Pope are you? I
hate the pope. Ken
.
User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 24 Aug 2007 05:34:35 PM
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:55:24 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

By the way, that statement about any contraceptive being infanticide
is exactly the stand the Pope takes. You aren't the Pope are you? I
hate the pope. Ken

How childish.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 24 Aug 2007 08:54:42 PM
On Aug 24, 5:34 pm, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:55:24 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

By the way, that statement about any contraceptive being infanticide
is exactly the stand the Pope takes. You aren't the Pope are you? I
hate the pope. Ken


How childish.

--

The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.

That doesn't make me feel any better, lots of protestants do as well.
Ken
.



User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 24 Aug 2007 03:11:22 PM
On Aug 24, 11:46 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:38:41 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:





On Aug 24, 4:02 am, Dubh Ghall <p...@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:43:22 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


But the
main point was that abortion is used as a convinient timeline for
ridding oneself of a baby, amounting to caluculated infanticide,


By that measure, so is every form of contraception.


...Including abstinence.


--


The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own


#162 BAAWA Knight.


So is living on a desert Island, but once the egg has been fertilized,
sometimes it becomes a sticky wicket for some and something has to be
done. That has nothing to do with rape=lovemaking anyway,


If abotrion=infantacide, it does.

if you have
read through the forum. Ken


--

The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own

#162 BAAWA Knight.- Hide quoted text -

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By the way, the argument was this: if abortion = infanticide, than
rape = lovemaking. I said it was a wrong analogy. I was right, they
were wrong. I'm not going to argue anymore just to hear little tiny
bits or this or that. ken
.





User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 22 Aug 2007 04:21:21 AM
On Aug 21, 4:55 am, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:

On Aug 20, 11:45 pm, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote:





On Aug 20, 6:30 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:


On Aug 19, 10:53 pm, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote:


On Aug 19, 10:41 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:


On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net.


He contributes a lot. He only insults those who require insulting,
mainly those who, though probably capable of thought, refuse to think.


He is for the most part insulting when proved wrong. Where I come
from we don't call people names over a forum, if we have the guts to
call people names we say it to their faces. A practice that escapes
our subject. While you and I have a difference of opinion about a
statement I call no one names.


You're calling a "fetus" or an "embryo" an "infant". What could be
more inappropriate than that?! You seriously need to watch what you
say.


This is an atheist forum. We're far more into accuracy and precision
than any theist fora can pretend to be. If you persist in using
inappropriate terminology in trying to make a case for something after
you've been advised of your faults, you *will* be insulted here. It's
a fact of life.


We do not suffer idiots lightly. We don't suffer them at all. If you
persist in mislabeling, *you* will be labeled.


That is like carrying an umbrella,
certain people do that. Nonetheless, I have been called a liar
several times (Not by you) when in fact I am using a time tested way
of thinking called logic.


What logic is there in persistently misrepresenting a position when
you've been advised of your mistake repeatedly and yet you cannot seem
to find the intellectual integrity to address the problem?


It gets to our subject sometimes, and he
resorts to curse words or name calling. So uneccessary, as we are not
going to save the world on here at any rate.


We're not saving the world. We *are* preserving our corner of it.


But, in my opinion, one
should never insult another on here because of a disagreement.


There's no disagreement. We all agree that you're inflaming a
situation unnecessarily by misusing terminology. I'm sorry you're
incapable of grasping that.


Budikka- Hide quoted text -


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What you don't suffer is someone with their heads screwed on
straight.


Some who deliberately and persistently misuses words has their head
screwed on straight? LoL!

That is what you don't suffer. If you can't see the
illogic of the rape-lovemaking statement, there is nothing I can do to
help you, you need education in logical thinking.


I never said I didn't understand it, I said I had not been in on that
so I couldn't comment. If you cannot tell the difference, you're
seriously in need of a reality adjustment.

Again, what's evident here is that you're deliberately obfuscating the
situation. What you are is dishonest. That's a fact and I've
demonstrated this more than once now, a fact which you have yet to
even acknowledge, let alone begun to address.

Of course it couldn't *possibly* be *you* who has misunderstood the
comparison, could it now?

You seem to be
incapable of grasping that the statement will not work logically, with
or without my statement. Ken


You are incapable of understanding an example, a comparison designed
to show you how inappropriate your choice of words has been. When are
*you* going to acknowledge *that* and deal with it?

Or are you simply dishonest and arrogant?

Budikka- Hide quoted text -

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You seem incapable of understanding an example. What you call
abortion is infanticide. Abortion is used for exactly that purpose.
Ask any bioethicists if you know any. Try Professor Jonathan Glover of
King's College, London, or Professor John Harris, a member of the
Brtish Medical Association's ethics committee. They testified before
the British Parliament's Commons Science and Technology Committee just
a few days ago saying the same thing. I don't think you are dishonest
but you certainly are arrogant for not knowing what you are talking
about. I know exactly what I'm talking about as they do. Times
change, you just don't know it's passing. Ken
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 03:41:45 PM
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:45:33 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

What you don't suffer is someone with their heads screwed on
straight. That is what you don't suffer. If you can't see the
illogic of the rape-lovemaking statement

It's EXACTLY as illogical as the infanticide-abortion statement, and
that's the whole point.

there is nothing I can do to
help you, you need education in logical thinking. You seem to be
incapable of grasping that the statement will not work logically, with
or without my statement.

You were addressing yourself, Ken. You keep posting logic=illogic,
not seeing that the true logical statement operating here is
illogic=illogic.
Your initial statement is ludicrously illogical. So is mine. That
makes them equivalent.
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 22 Aug 2007 05:06:27 PM
On Aug 21, 3:41 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:45:33 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

What you don't suffer is someone with their heads screwed on
straight. That is what you don't suffer. If you can't see the
illogic of the rape-lovemaking statement


It's EXACTLY as illogical as the infanticide-abortion statement, and
that's the whole point.

there is nothing I can do to
help you, you need education in logical thinking. You seem to be
incapable of grasping that the statement will not work logically, with
or without my statement.


You were addressing yourself, Ken. You keep posting logic=illogic,
not seeing that the true logical statement operating here is
illogic=illogic.

Your initial statement is ludicrously illogical. So is mine. That
makes them equivalent.

Al, just because you write ilogic=ilogic, and False=False, doesn't
make anything. that is like saying a + b =X. That is just a formula,
you have to put the numbers or the statement in the formula to say
anything. You taught logic? You are not logical, it must have been
many years ago.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 22 Aug 2007 08:49:05 PM
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:06:27 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Al, just because you write ilogic=ilogic, and False=False, doesn't
make anything.

Other than a valid statement, no.

You taught logic? You are not logical, it must have been
many years ago.

Fewer years ago than the last time you understood logic, as you
demonstrate with each post.
.



User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 20 Aug 2007 07:26:34 PM
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:53:11 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Aug 19, 10:41 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net.


He contributes a lot. He only insults those who require insulting,
mainly those who, though probably capable of thought, refuse to think.


He is for the most part insulting when proved wrong.

Since you've never proved him wrong, and I have, I think I'd know
better whether he insults people who prove him wrong.

Where I come from we don't call people names over a forum

Right now you "come from" alt.atheism, where you're both wrong and not
welcome.

Nonetheless, I have been called a liar
several times (Not by you) when in fact I am using a time tested way
of thinking called logic.

Maybe it's what you call logic, but it's not what teachers of logic
call logic.

It gets to our subject sometimes, and he
resorts to curse words or name calling.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the news group.

But, in my opinion, one
should never insult another on here because of a disagreement.

Your opinion is noted. And it, after all, just your opinion, so all
it is, is noted.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 12:17:26 AM
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:26:34 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:53:11 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Aug 19, 10:41 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net.


He contributes a lot. He only insults those who require insulting,
mainly those who, though probably capable of thought, refuse to think.


He is for the most part insulting when proved wrong.


Since you've never proved him wrong, and I have, I think I'd know
better whether he insults people who prove him wrong.

In fact, the record shows the contrary.
When people prove me wrong, I generally thank them, and apologise with
dignity and humility.
Learning something new is what I live for.
Being proven wrong is learning something new.

Where I come from we don't call people names over a forum


Right now you "come from" alt.atheism, where you're both wrong and not
welcome.

Nonetheless, I have been called a liar
several times (Not by you) when in fact I am using a time tested way
of thinking called logic.


Maybe it's what you call logic, but it's not what teachers of logic
call logic.

It gets to our subject sometimes, and he
resorts to curse words or name calling.


If you can't take the heat, stay out of the news group.

But, in my opinion, one
should never insult another on here because of a disagreement.


Your opinion is noted. And it, after all, just your opinion, so all
it is, is noted.

.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 12:24:08 AM
On Aug 21, 12:17 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:26:34 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:





On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:53:11 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


On Aug 19, 10:41 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net.


He contributes a lot. He only insults those who require insulting,
mainly those who, though probably capable of thought, refuse to think.


He is for the most part insulting when proved wrong.


Since you've never proved him wrong, and I have, I think I'd know
better whether he insults people who prove him wrong.


In fact, the record shows the contrary.
When people prove me wrong, I generally thank them, and apologise with
dignity and humility.

Learning something new is what I live for.
Being proven wrong is learning something new.



Where I come from we don't call people names over a forum


Right now you "come from" alt.atheism, where you're both wrong and not
welcome.


Nonetheless, I have been called a liar
several times (Not by you) when in fact I am using a time tested way
of thinking called logic.


Maybe it's what you call logic, but it's not what teachers of logic
call logic.


It gets to our subject sometimes, and he
resorts to curse words or name calling.


If you can't take the heat, stay out of the news group.


But, in my opinion, one
should never insult another on here because of a disagreement.


Your opinion is noted. And it, after all, just your opinion, so all
it is, is noted.- Hide quoted text -


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I would have to see that record to believe it. I showed you wrong
several times on the Constintine forum, and I saw no apology or thank
you, just anger. If you don't believe me look back on it. Ken
.

User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 12:26:08 AM
On Aug 21, 12:17 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:26:34 -0400, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
wrote:





On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:53:11 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


On Aug 19, 10:41 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:23:39 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net.


He contributes a lot. He only insults those who require insulting,
mainly those who, though probably capable of thought, refuse to think.


He is for the most part insulting when proved wrong.


Since you've never proved him wrong, and I have, I think I'd know
better whether he insults people who prove him wrong.


In fact, the record shows the contrary.
When people prove me wrong, I generally thank them, and apologise with
dignity and humility.

Learning something new is what I live for.
Being proven wrong is learning something new.



Where I come from we don't call people names over a forum


Right now you "come from" alt.atheism, where you're both wrong and not
welcome.


Nonetheless, I have been called a liar
several times (Not by you) when in fact I am using a time tested way
of thinking called logic.


Maybe it's what you call logic, but it's not what teachers of logic
call logic.


It gets to our subject sometimes, and he
resorts to curse words or name calling.


If you can't take the heat, stay out of the news group.


But, in my opinion, one
should never insult another on here because of a disagreement.


Your opinion is noted. And it, after all, just your opinion, so all
it is, is noted.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just because you are in a "news group" doesn't give you free rein to
insult people by posting on a computer. Be a real man and say it to
their face. In the meantime keep that umbrella handy. Ken
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 03:56:59 PM
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:26:08 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Just because you are in a "news group" doesn't give you free rein to
insult people by posting on a computer.

Actually it does. And the more imaginative the insult, the better.

Be a real man and say it to their face.

I'm sure Michael would, the first time you showed up in Australia. If
they start allowing your ilk in (although some running the government
there could come close).
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 22 Aug 2007 05:20:34 AM
On Aug 21, 3:56 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:26:08 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Just because you are in a "news group" doesn't give you free rein to
insult people by posting on a computer.


Actually it does. And the more imaginative the insult, the better.

Be a real man and say it to their face.


I'm sure Michael would, the first time you showed up in Australia. If
they start allowing your ilk in (although some running the government
there could come close).

Everyone knows that Australia is populated by the decendents of
criminals. I'll fit right in. Ken
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 22 Aug 2007 05:20:47 PM
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:20:34 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Aug 21, 3:56 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:26:08 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Just because you are in a "news group" doesn't give you free rein to
insult people by posting on a computer.


Actually it does. And the more imaginative the insult, the better.

Be a real man and say it to their face.


I'm sure Michael would, the first time you showed up in Australia. If
they start allowing your ilk in (although some running the government
there could come close).


Everyone knows that Australia is populated by the decendents of
criminals. I'll fit right in.

Two of you wouldn't make a good dead Australian infant, as far as
intelligence goes.
.


User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 22 Aug 2007 04:49:39 PM
On Aug 21, 3:56 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:26:08 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Just because you are in a "news group" doesn't give you free rein to
insult people by posting on a computer.


Actually it does. And the more imaginative the insult, the better.

Be a real man and say it to their face.


I'm sure Michael would, the first time you showed up in Australia. If
they start allowing your ilk in (although some running the government
there could come close).

You never know do you?
.





User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 19 Aug 2007 10:15:21 PM
veritas wrote:

Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net. Ken

Your attempts to torture word meanings to suit your own agenda is far
more insulting to our intelligence than anything Mr. Gray could write.
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 19 Aug 2007 10:34:09 PM
On Aug 19, 10:15 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

veritas wrote:

Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net. Ken


Your attempts to torture word meanings to suit your own agenda is far
more insulting to our intelligence than anything Mr. Gray could write.

--
L. Raymond

You obviously have not had much conversation with Michael. He'll
change your mind. Ken
.

User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 19 Aug 2007 10:48:49 PM
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:15:21 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

veritas wrote:

Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net. Ken


Your attempts to torture word meanings to suit your own agenda is far
more insulting to our intelligence than anything Mr. Gray could write.

Firstly, I have contributed much that even the coward veritas would
recognise as biblical scholarship, in the original languages as well,
if she cared to check.
Secondly, she assumes that warranted and truthful observations on
another's behaviour constitute 'insults'.
It cannot read English, let alone Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 19 Aug 2007 11:06:21 PM
On Aug 19, 10:48 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:15:21 -0500, "L. Raymond"

<badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

veritas wrote:


Michael Gray doesn't contribute much to any conversation. He is more
into insulting people on the net. Ken


Your attempts to torture word meanings to suit your own agenda is far
more insulting to our intelligence than anything Mr. Gray could write.


Firstly, I have contributed much that even the coward veritas would
recognise as biblical scholarship, in the original languages as well,
if she cared to check.

Secondly, she assumes that warranted and truthful observations on
another's behaviour constitute 'insults'.

It cannot read English, let alone Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.

Ok, Ok, you do some work. God, you are tiring and irritating sometimes
to me. But read what I say about the insults. It really takes away
from what you are trying to say and just stiffens the backbone of the
very people you are trying to convince. You hurt yourself with the
insults. That's one of the reasons why I don't do it. I don't call
you a coward, or any other insulting name. As I have said before, bet
you wouldn't call me a coward to my face. If that doesn't tell you
something about yourself, you are hopeless. Ken
.

User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 20 Aug 2007 03:28:15 PM
On a completely unrelated note:
Michael Gray wrote:

Secondly, she assumes that warranted and truthful observations on
another's behaviour constitute 'insults'.

Are you using "she" to show contempt despite his signing his name as
Ken? If so, please stop. If calling someone else a woman is the worst
thing you can think of to do, you're just insulting every woman in the
world.

It cannot read English, let alone Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.

"It" is good for showing contempt.
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 12:10:59 AM
On Aug 20, 3:28 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

On a completely unrelated note:

Michael Gray wrote:

Secondly, she assumes that warranted and truthful observations on
another's behaviour constitute 'insults'.


Are you using "she" to show contempt despite his signing his name as
Ken? If so, please stop. If calling someone else a woman is the worst
thing you can think of to do, you're just insulting every woman in the
world.

It cannot read English, let alone Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.


"It" is good for showing contempt.

--
L. Raymond

It,
None of you can even show contempt, only illogical nonsense.
Someone on here said this is the alt.atheism forum and are into
precision and accuracy. What a laugh. Abortion and infanticide are
for, and create the same result. They are synonumous. Lovemaking and
rape are not synonumous. Ken
.
User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 06:35:51 PM
veritas wrote:

Someone on here said this is the alt.atheism forum and are into
precision and accuracy. What a laugh.

People like you generally laugh at what you don't understand. It saves
you from having to learn.

Abortion and infanticide are
for, and create the same result.

Not even close. Abortion means ending a pregnancy before there is a
child, infanticide would have to take place after a woman failed to have
an abortion and gave birth. Why are you just so foolish as to insist
that abortion means something other than what it means?

They are synonumous. Lovemaking and rape are not synonumous.

You'd be hard put to find any words that are "synonumous" *rimshot*
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "veritas"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 22 Aug 2007 04:45:02 PM
On Aug 21, 6:35 pm, "L. Raymond" <badaddr...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

veritas wrote:

Someone on here said this is the alt.atheism forum and are into
precision and accuracy. What a laugh.


People like you generally laugh at what you don't understand. It saves
you from having to learn.

Abortion and infanticide are
for, and create the same result.


Not even close. Abortion means ending a pregnancy before there is a
child, infanticide would have to take place after a woman failed to have
an abortion and gave birth. Why are you just so foolish as to insist
that abortion means something other than what it means?

They are synonumous. Lovemaking and rape are not synonumous.


You'd be hard put to find any words that are "synonumous" *rimshot*

--
L. Raymond

How do you stand to be wrong all the time? Doesn't that bother you in
the least?
.



User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 12:14:28 AM
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:28:15 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

On a completely unrelated note:

Michael Gray wrote:

Secondly, she assumes that warranted and truthful observations on
another's behaviour constitute 'insults'.


Are you using "she" to show contempt despite his signing his name as
Ken?

No, I respect females far more than males.
I use it because he/she/it is a proven liar, and I no more believe the
claim that 'Ken' is his name or representative of his gender than
anything else the compulsive ignoramus has vomited up.
I take it that may have noticed the he/she/it has not objected to the
term.

If so, please stop. If calling someone else a woman is the worst
thing you can think of to do, you're just insulting every woman in the
world.

As I said, it was most certainly NOT intended as an insult, that
notion appears in the reader's mind, if anywhere.
Partly, I use it as a rhetorical device.

It cannot read English, let alone Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.


"It" is good for showing contempt.

.
User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies 21 Aug 2007 06:46:44 PM
Michael Gray wrote:
I confess to being prickly at the moment, given that Ohio has a bill
pending to reduce women to chattel again. I've been doing a very good
job of not jumping on people who've used terms that are (not
intentionally) insulting to women, so I have to apologize that you're
the one I lost it on. *smile*
Jerks like in vino here just don't help my self-control. *sigh*

I take it that may have noticed the he/she/it has not objected to the
term.

No, although he weirdly enough addressed a message to It. Didn't even
use "Dear It", or "Cousin It".
--
L. Raymond
.






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