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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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15 Aug 2007 02:38:41 PM |
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Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
http://www.cityside.org.nz/node/300
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies - Hector Avalos
Avalos' new book, "The End of Bible Studies", is due out in July 2007.
Here's the blurb: "In this radical critique of his own academic
speciality, biblical scholar Hector Avalos calls for an end to
biblical studies as we know them. He outlines two main arguments for
this surprising conclusion. First, academic biblical scholarship has
clearly succeeded in showing that the ancient civilisation that
produced the Bible held beliefs about the origin, nature, and purpose
of the world and humanity that are fundamentally opposed to the views
of modern society. The Bible is thus largely irrelevant to the needs
and concerns of contemporary human beings. Second, Avalos criticises
his colleagues for applying a variety of flawed and specious
techniques aimed at maintaining the illusion that the Bible is still
relevant in today's world. In effect, he accuses his profession of
being more concerned about its self-preservation than about giving an
honest account of its own findings to the general public and faith
communities. Dividing his study into two parts, Avalos first examines
the principal sub-disciplines of biblical studies (textual criticism,
archaeology, historical criticism, literary criticism, biblical
theology, and translations) in order to show how these fields are
still influenced by religiously motivated agendas despite claims to
independence from religious premises. In the second part, he focuses
on the infrastructure that supports academic biblical studies to
maintain the value of the profession and the Bible. This
infrastructure includes academia (public and private universities and
colleges), churches, the media-publishing complex, and professional
organisations such as the Society of Biblical Literature. In a
controversial conclusion, Avalos argues that our world is best served
by leaving the Bible as a relic of an ancient civilisation instead of
the "living" document most religionist scholars believe it should be.
He urges his colleagues to concentrate on educating the broader
society to recognise the irrelevance and even violent effects of the
Bible in modern life."
This follows on from his article last year on SBL:
Hector Avalos on SBL
Avalos, PhD Harvard 1991, was a fundamentalist child evangelist. Now
he's a militant atheist, the faculty adviser to the Iowa State
University Atheist and Agnostic Society. He's executive director of a
group affiliated with the Council for Secular Humanism that seeks to
debunk religion. He was a fundamentalist Christian and now he's a
fundamentalist atheist. He preached and practiced faith healing from
age 7 to 17 and became an atheist in college.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
16 Aug 2007 08:18:39 AM |
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On Aug 15, 8:38 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.cityside.org.nz/node/300
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies - Hector Avalos
Detailed study of the bible does tend to lead to atheism. Stick to
selected passages chosen for you by the church if you want to keep
your faith - even better, just listen to what other people tell you
and don't question anything.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
16 Aug 2007 11:06:23 PM |
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Nosterill wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:38 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.cityside.org.nz/node/300
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies - Hector Avalos
Detailed study of the bible does tend to lead to atheism. Stick to
selected passages chosen for you by the church if you want to keep
your faith - even better, just listen to what other people tell you
and don't question anything.
===>And BEWARE,
THINKING CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR FAITH! -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "veritas" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
18 Aug 2007 09:57:41 PM |
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On Aug 16, 11:06 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>
wrote:
Nosterill wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:38 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.cityside.org.nz/node/300
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies - Hector Avalos
Detailed study of the bible does tend to lead to atheism. Stick to
selected passages chosen for you by the church if you want to keep
your faith - even better, just listen to what other people tell you
and don't question anything.
===>And BEWARE,
THINKING CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR FAITH! -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
Somehow, that does not seem to be, for some reason to be good advice.
However that does seem to be the case with theologists, they tend to
not believe the Bible after close examination. Hmmmm. Ken
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| User: "Matt Giwer" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
17 Aug 2007 12:42:19 AM |
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Nosterill wrote:
On Aug 15, 8:38 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.cityside.org.nz/node/300
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies - Hector Avalos
Detailed study of the bible does tend to lead to atheism. Stick to
selected passages chosen for you by the church if you want to keep
your faith - even better, just listen to what other people tell you
and don't question anything.
Stick to the selected passages. Never read them in context. When in doubt refer
to the "What is really means" companion volume.
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The US supported Pinochet, the Shah of Iran, Chang Kai Cheq, and a host of
other dictators around the world. Is it any surprise the US supports Israel?
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3852
nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
Mission Accomplished http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/mission.phtml a12
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| User: "J.LyonLayden" |
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16 Aug 2007 11:28:23 AM |
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Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
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| User: "Cj" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
16 Aug 2007 03:31:01 PM |
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"J.LyonLayden" <JosephLayden@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187281703.141885.120670@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
Nonsense!
Cj
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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16 Aug 2007 11:16:33 PM |
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J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
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| User: "VtSkier" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
17 Aug 2007 06:39:31 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
or to run your spell check.
Actually the wrong word is spelled right.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
17 Aug 2007 02:53:55 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
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| User: "veritas" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
17 Aug 2007 11:00:11 PM |
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On Aug 17, 2:53 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
If we ended Biblical Studies what in the hell would we have to talk
about? That would kill many a conversation. That can't happen. I
thought a collage was something you put together on paper, like
flowers and stuff. Why would anyone GO to a collage? Ken
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
19 Aug 2007 05:33:03 PM |
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On Aug 17, 11:00 pm, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:53 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
If we ended Biblical Studies what in the hell would we have to talk
about?
Do you *seriously* believe the Bible is all there is to talk about?
If that's the case I am truly sorry for you.
What *is* there to talk about in the Bible that hasn't already been
done to death?
Budikka
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| User: "veritas" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
19 Aug 2007 09:29:53 PM |
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On Aug 19, 5:33 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
On Aug 17, 11:00 pm, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:53 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
If we ended Biblical Studies what in the hell would we have to talk
about?
Do you *seriously* believe the Bible is all there is to talk about?
If that's the case I am truly sorry for you.
What *is* there to talk about in the Bible that hasn't already been
done to death?
Budikka- Hide quoted text -
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It was really late last night when I wrote that. I was tired. After
arguing about Paul and the aspostles on a forum with the insulter and
others, it was just a joking remark. I didn't even mean to make this
a conversation. The illogical rape thing brought me back. Still
don't think you can make a true valid logical sentence from it. But I
was just joking when I said what in the world would we talk about. Ken
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist "Bible Scholar" Urges End Of Biblical Studies |
19 Aug 2007 10:43:33 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:33:03 -0700, Budikka666 <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
On Aug 17, 11:00 pm, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:53 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
If we ended Biblical Studies what in the hell would we have to talk
about?
Do you *seriously* believe the Bible is all there is to talk about?
If that's the case I am truly sorry for you.
What *is* there to talk about in the Bible that hasn't already been
done to death?
It's frauds, esp the entire New testament.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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18 Aug 2007 05:12:46 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:00:11 -0700, veritas <khogantwo@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:53 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
If we ended Biblical Studies what in the hell would we have to talk
about? That would kill many a conversation. That can't happen. I
thought a collage was something you put together on paper, like
flowers and stuff. Why would anyone GO to a collage? Ken
~~~~~~~~~VOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right over the top of your pathetically tiny little mind.
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| User: "veritas" |
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18 Aug 2007 02:11:28 PM |
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On Aug 18, 5:12 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:00:11 -0700, veritas <khogan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:53 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
If we ended Biblical Studies what in the hell would we have to talk
about? That would kill many a conversation. That can't happen. I
thought a collage was something you put together on paper, like
flowers and stuff. Why would anyone GO to a collage? Ken
~~~~~~~~~VOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right over the top of your pathetically tiny little mind.- Hide quoted text -
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Michael, your sense of humor is like your sense of history. Nil. Ken
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| User: "Martin Edwards" |
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18 Aug 2007 03:30:38 AM |
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veritas wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:53 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:16:33 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
J.LyonLayden wrote:
Yup nothingness willed itself into somethingness, just like the wet
rags birthed maggots in the 1700s.
But even though nothingness is then necessarilly an omnipotent power,
let's not call it a god because then we'd have to be accountable for
our actions.
WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GO TO COLLAGE. yOU MIGHT LEARN. (Too
lazy to retype after hitting caps lock)
He would get pasted at collage.
Not a pretty picture.
If we ended Biblical Studies what in the hell would we have to talk
about? That would kill many a conversation. That can't happen. I
thought a collage was something you put together on paper, like
flowers and stuff. Why would anyone GO to a collage? Ken
Yes, to stick something else on it.
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Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”
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| User: "raven1" |
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15 Aug 2007 09:58:18 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:38:41 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:
"In this radical critique of his own academic
speciality, biblical scholar Hector Avalos calls for an end to
biblical studies as we know them.
Another article you didn't bother to read...
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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15 Aug 2007 04:36:19 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Hector Avalos on SBL
Avalos, PhD Harvard 1991, was a fundamentalist child evangelist. Now
he's a militant atheist, the faculty adviser to the Iowa State
University Atheist and Agnostic Society. He's executive director of a
group affiliated with the Council for Secular Humanism that seeks to
debunk religion. He was a fundamentalist Christian and now he's a
fundamentalist atheist. He preached and practiced faith healing from
age 7 to 17 and became an atheist in college.
He must have realized "faith healing" is a scam, which pretty much
starts the gears a-turnin'.
I love that term, "militant atheist". Annie Gaylor, get your gun!
--
Uncle Vic
#2011
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| User: "LC" |
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15 Aug 2007 03:12:18 PM |
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Spambot "Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
news:1187206721.837660.76030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies
Excellent.
Think of all the *productive* use that time could be put to.
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| User: "bob young" |
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15 Aug 2007 11:33:02 PM |
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LC wrote:
Spambot "Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
news:1187206721.837660.76030@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Bible Scholar urges End of Biblical Studies
Excellent.
Think of all the *productive* use that time could be put to.
Absolutely. And those poor Islamic kids, learning parrot fashion from the
koran whilst bobbing their heads backwards and forwards doing a wonderful
impression of idiots in a mental ward.
And they wonder why there are Atheists around ~
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