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04 May 2006 06:45:11 AM |
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Atheist Blood Drive on "Day of Reason" |
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking atheists,
agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the supremacy of
reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
"We were looking for a positive alternative to prayer, something that would
reflect the life-affirming ideas of nonbelievers," said Kenneth Bronstein,
president of the New York City Center for Atheism, one of several groups
supporting the blood drive. "At the same time, we want to let America know
that there are millions of us who do not pray."
Bronstein said he had no idea about how many might give blood. "Working with
atheists is like trying to herd cats," he acknowledged.
Not so with supporters of the National Day of Prayer, who say they expect
about 5,000 people to attend 23 events organized in evangelical churches
throughout the New York area, from Bay Shore to Brooklyn, according to New
York area coordinator Beverly Cook.
The national event dates to a 1952 resolution in Congress. In recent years,
the day has been embraced primarily by evangelical Christians, with this
year's effort headed by Shirley Dobson, wife of Focus on the Family chairman
Dr. James Dobson, a leader of the religious right.
"At a time when so many principles found in Scripture have been rejected by
society, it's all the more vital that God's people stand firmly in defense
of the precepts He's laid out in His Word," Shirley Dobson said.
Nonbelievers say they have no problem with people praying, even if they do
not personally believe it works. But they say they do object to what they
see as government intrusion into the private sphere of religious worship.
"The government should not be sponsoring religious prayer - any more than it
should be sponsoring a day to oppose religious prayer," said Gerry Dantone
of Huntington, coordinator of the Center for Inquiry on Long Island, a group
also supporting the blood drive.
But that argument carries little weight with the organizers of the National
Day of Prayer, many of whom see the country's Christian heritage as the key
to its vitality.
Kirton, pastor of Circle of Love Ministry, a small, evangelical church in
Copiague that is hosting an event tonight with two other local churches,
asserts that belief in God - and in the efficacy of prayer - are
foundational values of America.
"This country was built on traditional values," he said, "and one of those
is prayer. We pray for anyone who's in office - Democrat, Republican or
independent. It has nothing to do with politics. It's about humanity."
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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04 May 2006 05:30:18 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
I sit alone on the rock of my own individuality, with the waves of
superstition and religious tyranny surging around me."
-- Josephine K. Henry
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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04 May 2006 10:59:28 PM |
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"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
At least I was able to give blood enough times to
get the little ten times pin and a couple more times
after that. I can't give anymore, since developing
pemphigus. I wonder how many of our fundy trolls
have given even once, espcially Jabbers. since he's
a Jehovah's Witless.
Jesus H. McGillicuddy, is this weirdo back again?!
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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With or without (religion) you would have good people
doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But
for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
- Steven Weinberg, Physicists and Nobel Laureate
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
I sit alone on the rock of my own individuality, with the waves of
superstition and religious tyranny surging around me."
-- Josephine K. Henry
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 May 2006 02:42:58 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 23:59:28 -0400, "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote in alt.atheism
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
At least I was able to give blood enough times to
get the little ten times pin and a couple more times
after that. I can't give anymore, since developing
pemphigus. I wonder how many of our fundy trolls
have given even once, espcially Jabbers. since he's
a Jehovah's Witless.
Jesus H. McGillicuddy, is this weirdo back again?!
'e n'er left, milady.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 May 2006 05:33:49 PM |
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"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
I can't do it anyway - low blood pressure.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Kate " |
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04 May 2006 08:10:03 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 18:33:49 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
I can't do it anyway - low blood pressure.
I tried - my iron level was too low this time -
but, the lady at the donation center did know about the Day of Reason
and said quite a few people had come in that day to donate for that.
I told her I'd be more careful with my iron supplements and be back
next week.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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04 May 2006 08:25:37 PM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:446da517.212335453@news-west.newscene.com...
On Thu, 4 May 2006 18:33:49 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
I can't do it anyway - low blood pressure.
I tried - my iron level was too low this time -
That's the other thing I usually fail.
but, the lady at the donation center did know about the Day of Reason
and said quite a few people had come in that day to donate for that.
Excellent! :)
I told her I'd be more careful with my iron supplements and be back
next week.
:)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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04 May 2006 08:54:37 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:446da517.212335453@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Thu, 4 May 2006 18:33:49 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
I can't do it anyway - low blood pressure.
I tried - my iron level was too low this time -
but, the lady at the donation center did know about the Day of Reason
and said quite a few people had come in that day to donate for that.
I told her I'd be more careful with my iron supplements and be back
next week.
I've donated over eight gallons in my lifetime. I feel bad when I can't
make it in.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
An argument frequently used by believers [is] to force unbelievers to
soften their terms by accepting their opponents' definition; "Atheist"
means without a concept of God that is logically convincing, not with
proof that God does not exist.
-- Jim Herrick
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 May 2006 12:42:24 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Enkidu in episode
<Xns97B9C06266FD1255229@130.133.1.4>...
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:446da517.212335453@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Thu, 4 May 2006 18:33:49 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
I can't do it anyway - low blood pressure.
I tried - my iron level was too low this time -
but, the lady at the donation center did know about the Day of Reason
and said quite a few people had come in that day to donate for that. I
told her I'd be more careful with my iron supplements and be back next
week.
I've donated over eight gallons in my lifetime. I feel bad when I can't
make it in.
Which is really amazing since he only started with six pints!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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05 May 2006 07:48:18 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:Uv-dnbKS-4pdeMfZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@megapath.net:
Previously, on alt.atheism, Enkidu in episode
<Xns97B9C06266FD1255229@130.133.1.4>...
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:446da517.212335453@news-
west.newscene.com:
On Thu, 4 May 2006 18:33:49 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B99DBDE4B85255229@130.133.1.4...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a
small band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative
observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they
call "the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m.
today.
Damn . . . I donated two weeks ago.
I can't do it anyway - low blood pressure.
I tried - my iron level was too low this time -
but, the lady at the donation center did know about the Day of
Reason and said quite a few people had come in that day to donate
for that. I told her I'd be more careful with my iron supplements
and be back next week.
I've donated over eight gallons in my lifetime. I feel bad when I
can't make it in.
Which is really amazing since he only started with six pints!
It's a miracle, something like the mana from hevean or the eight days of
oil in the mystic lamps, doncha know!
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"The longer I have been an atheist, the more amazed I am that I ever
believed Christian notions."
-Dan Barker
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04 May 2006 08:24:30 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net...
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
<snip>
Kirton, pastor of Circle of Love Ministry, a small, evangelical church in
Copiague that is hosting an event tonight with two other local churches,
asserts that belief in God - and in the efficacy of prayer - are
foundational values of America.
Hmmm... so he believes that the foundational values of America are the
belief in an as yet unsubstantiated entity, and belief in the efficacy of a
procedure that has been proven to have no discernable effect beyond that of
a placebo. Interesting.
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 May 2006 02:41:35 PM |
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On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:24:30 GMT, "Sara Brum" <right@home.here> wrote in
alt.atheism
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net...
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
<snip>
Kirton, pastor of Circle of Love Ministry, a small, evangelical church in
Copiague that is hosting an event tonight with two other local churches,
asserts that belief in God - and in the efficacy of prayer - are
foundational values of America.
Hmmm... so he believes that the foundational values of America are the
belief in an as yet unsubstantiated entity, and belief in the efficacy of a
procedure that has been proven to have no discernable effect beyond that of
a placebo. Interesting.
The 'foundational values' of America were; ignorance, bigotry,
prejudice, theft, rapine, murder, daemonization, cultural destruction,
greed, intolerance and other 'positive' like items. Sadly, those
'values' haven't changed.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "duke" |
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04 May 2006 05:20:49 PM |
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On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:24:30 GMT, "Sara Brum" <right@home.here> wrote:
<snip>
Kirton, pastor of Circle of Love Ministry, a small, evangelical church in
Copiague that is hosting an event tonight with two other local churches,
asserts that belief in God - and in the efficacy of prayer - are
foundational values of America.
Hmmm... so he believes that the foundational values of America are the
belief in an as yet unsubstantiated entity, and belief in the efficacy of a
procedure that has been proven to have no discernable effect beyond that of
a placebo. Interesting.
It's your funeral - go for it.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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04 May 2006 07:38:23 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:dhvk52l3spb62uudlnho250ar9n1ldo5ph@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:24:30 GMT, "Sara Brum" <right@home.here> wrote:
<snip>
Kirton, pastor of Circle of Love Ministry, a small, evangelical church
in
Copiague that is hosting an event tonight with two other local churches,
asserts that belief in God - and in the efficacy of prayer - are
foundational values of America.
Hmmm... so he believes that the foundational values of America are the
belief in an as yet unsubstantiated entity, and belief in the efficacy of
a
procedure that has been proven to have no discernable effect beyond that
of
a placebo. Interesting.
It's your funeral - go for it.
That's a cute little non sequitur you have there, duke. Do you exercise it
often?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Well, of course it is. It gets all the sheep in one room, ready for
fleecing.
Pope Paul VI
*****
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05 May 2006 01:27:21 AM |
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In article <4bu7qcF13cn2tU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
Prayers, and other offerings
BY CAROL EISENBERG
Newsday Staff Writer
May 4, 2006
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking atheists,
agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the supremacy of
reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
"We were looking for a positive alternative to prayer, something that would
reflect the life-affirming ideas of nonbelievers," said Kenneth Bronstein,
president of the New York City Center for Atheism, one of several groups
supporting the blood drive. "At the same time, we want to let America know
that there are millions of us who do not pray."
Bronstein said he had no idea about how many might give blood. "Working with
atheists is like trying to herd cats," he acknowledged.
I didn't know about this or I would have donated today too. Next time.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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04 May 2006 06:56:27 AM |
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Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to participate
in this.
Which brings me to a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for
a while...
....those of you who somewhat know me (from reading my occasional
posting ;) ) know that I'm not a willfully braindead zealot. On the other
hand, I'm also not an atheist, but a (non-christian, polytheist, heathen)
believer. Commonly, and I want to stress that word "commonly",
"freethinker" seems to be pretty much of another word for "atheist". Now...
to all those reading this who dare to judge me... would you call me a
freethinker? Yes? No? Partially? If partially, to what extent?
Note that I don't mind if you criticize my religous belief. I do want some
honest comments. Please do me the favor. :)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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04 May 2006 05:40:59 PM |
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"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in
news:e3cq5c$j01$1@online.de:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small
band of nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to
participate in this.
Which brings me to a question that's been lurking in the back of my
mind for a while...
...those of you who somewhat know me (from reading my occasional
posting ;) ) know that I'm not a willfully braindead zealot. On the
other hand, I'm also not an atheist, but a (non-christian, polytheist,
heathen) believer. Commonly, and I want to stress that word
"commonly", "freethinker" seems to be pretty much of another word for
"atheist". Now... to all those reading this who dare to judge me...
would you call me a freethinker? Yes? No? Partially? If partially, to
what extent?
Note that I don't mind if you criticize my religous belief. I do want
some honest comments. Please do me the favor. :)
As long as you don't demand that I believe as you do, I don't care.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
God is a word to express, not our ideas, but the want of them.
-- John Stuart Mill
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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04 May 2006 10:16:38 PM |
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Enkidu:
As long as you don't demand that I believe as you do, I don't care.
:)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 May 2006 02:35:40 PM |
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On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:56:27 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to participate
in this.
Which brings me to a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for
a while...
...those of you who somewhat know me (from reading my occasional
posting ;) ) know that I'm not a willfully braindead zealot. On the other
hand, I'm also not an atheist, but a (non-christian, polytheist, heathen)
believer. Commonly, and I want to stress that word "commonly",
"freethinker" seems to be pretty much of another word for "atheist". Now...
to all those reading this who dare to judge me... would you call me a
freethinker? Yes? No? Partially? If partially, to what extent?
Note that I don't mind if you criticize my religous belief. I do want some
honest comments. Please do me the favor. :)
Honest comments always. IMO, you're more of a 'freethinker' than most
theists. Are you a 'freethinker?'
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=freethinker
n: One who has rejected authority and dogma, especially in religious
thinking, in favor of rational inquiry and speculation.
n : a person who believes that God created the universe and then
abandoned it [syn: deist]
/end
The only one here who can answer your question is you. It also depends
on how you see the term. Personally, I don't restrict theists from
utilization of the term. I know my reply isn't much of an answer, but
it's an honest answer. {I hope that doesn't make you Thor} ;)
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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04 May 2006 07:11:32 AM |
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On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:56:27 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to participate
in this.
You might not be allowed to. After previous episodes of infected blood
(HIV, hepatitis etc) they are a lot more cautious. If you have spent
any time in the UK they don't want it because of the possibility of
Creuzfeld Jakob Disease (the human form of Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy, mad cow disease).
Which brings me to a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for
a while...
...those of you who somewhat know me (from reading my occasional
posting ;) ) know that I'm not a willfully braindead zealot. On the other
hand, I'm also not an atheist, but a (non-christian, polytheist, heathen)
believer. Commonly, and I want to stress that word "commonly",
"freethinker" seems to be pretty much of another word for "atheist". Now...
to all those reading this who dare to judge me... would you call me a
freethinker? Yes? No? Partially? If partially, to what extent?
Note that I don't mind if you criticize my religous belief. I do want some
honest comments. Please do me the favor. :)
You're whatever you feel is the most accurate label for your position.
Belief where you come from, isn't as absolute or obnoxious as it is in
the USA, and it's your own business.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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04 May 2006 02:03:16 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7grj52d1lj5u1vnecgqol68sq0fgqbgi1n@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:56:27 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to
participate
in this.
You might not be allowed to. After previous episodes of infected blood
(HIV, hepatitis etc) they are a lot more cautious. If you have spent
any time in the UK they don't want it because of the possibility of
Creuzfeld Jakob Disease (the human form of Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy, mad cow disease).
Because so many of us have died?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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04 May 2006 02:20:06 PM |
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:03:16 +0100, "kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7grj52d1lj5u1vnecgqol68sq0fgqbgi1n@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:56:27 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to
participate
in this.
You might not be allowed to. After previous episodes of infected blood
(HIV, hepatitis etc) they are a lot more cautious. If you have spent
any time in the UK they don't want it because of the possibility of
Creuzfeld Jakob Disease (the human form of Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy, mad cow disease).
Because so many of us have died?
Because it's a long term thing that is so far incurable. I'm an
English ex-pat and to be honest I can understand after the problems
with AIDS-tainted blood. Remember Arthur Ashe, Paul Michael Glaser's
wife and a whole slew of others.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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04 May 2006 02:24:41 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:6skk52h2abrjetmaqcg6v30s4ljdthfa4b@4ax.com...
On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:03:16 +0100, "kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7grj52d1lj5u1vnecgqol68sq0fgqbgi1n@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:56:27 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a
Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call
"the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to
participate
in this.
You might not be allowed to. After previous episodes of infected blood
(HIV, hepatitis etc) they are a lot more cautious. If you have spent
any time in the UK they don't want it because of the possibility of
Creuzfeld Jakob Disease (the human form of Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy, mad cow disease).
Because so many of us have died?
Because it's a long term thing that is so far incurable. I'm an
English ex-pat and to be honest I can understand after the problems
with AIDS-tainted blood. Remember Arthur Ashe, Paul Michael Glaser's
wife and a whole slew of others.
I think it's been massively blown out of proportion, personally.
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 May 2006 02:38:05 PM |
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On Thu, 04 May 2006 15:20:06 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
On Thu, 4 May 2006 20:03:16 +0100, "kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:7grj52d1lj5u1vnecgqol68sq0fgqbgi1n@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 May 2006 13:56:27 +0200, "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"
<MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to
participate
in this.
You might not be allowed to. After previous episodes of infected blood
(HIV, hepatitis etc) they are a lot more cautious. If you have spent
any time in the UK they don't want it because of the possibility of
Creuzfeld Jakob Disease (the human form of Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy, mad cow disease).
Because so many of us have died?
Because it's a long term thing that is so far incurable. I'm an
English ex-pat and to be honest I can understand after the problems
with AIDS-tainted blood. Remember Arthur Ashe, Paul Michael Glaser's
wife and a whole slew of others.
Issac Asimov. :\
Blood is also not accepted from those on certain perscription drugs and
for a period (a year?) afterwards.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Pastor Kutchie" |
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04 May 2006 12:00:11 PM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to participate
in this.
Which brings me to a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for
a while...
...those of you who somewhat know me (from reading my occasional
posting ;) ) know that I'm not a willfully braindead zealot. On the other
hand, I'm also not an atheist, but a (non-christian, polytheist, heathen)
believer. Commonly, and I want to stress that word "commonly",
"freethinker" seems to be pretty much of another word for "atheist". Now...
to all those reading this who dare to judge me... would you call me a
freethinker? Yes? No? Partially? If partially, to what extent?
Why not? Are there any proselytising German polytheists (outside Texas)
these days?
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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04 May 2006 03:13:21 PM |
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Pastor Kutchie:
Why not? Are there any proselytising German polytheists (outside Texas)
these days?
None that I know of, that much I can say. ;)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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04 May 2006 01:46:27 PM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Robibnikoff:
As the Rev. Roy Kirton prays for President George W. Bush in a Copiague
service today marking the National Day of Prayer, a small band of
nonbelievers will be embarking on an alternative observance.
They're calling it the National Day of Reason, and they're asking
atheists, agnostics and free thinkers to demonstrate what they call "the
supremacy of reason" by donating blood from 4 to 7 p.m. today.
I guess if I'd be a citizen of the US I would definitely like to participate
in this.
Which brings me to a question that's been lurking in the back of my mind for
a while...
...those of you who somewhat know me (from reading my occasional
posting ;) ) know that I'm not a willfully braindead zealot. On the other
hand, I'm also not an atheist, but a (non-christian, polytheist, heathen)
believer. Commonly, and I want to stress that word "commonly",
"freethinker" seems to be pretty much of another word for "atheist". Now...
to all those reading this who dare to judge me... would you call me a
freethinker? Yes? No? Partially? If partially, to what extent?
Note that I don't mind if you criticize my religous belief. I do want some
honest comments. Please do me the favor. :)
Did you think your way from the norm to your paganism?
Or did you feel your way?
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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04 May 2006 03:13:03 PM |
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Chris H. Fleming:
Did you think your way from the norm to your paganism?
Or did you feel your way?
That I have to answer with "feel"... *scratches chin*
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Chris H. Fleming" |
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04 May 2006 03:33:55 PM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Chris H. Fleming:
Did you think your way from the norm to your paganism?
Or did you feel your way?
That I have to answer with "feel"... *scratches chin*
At least you are free though.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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04 May 2006 10:16:24 PM |
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Chris H. Fleming:
At least you are free though.
Yeah I think so :)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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04 May 2006 08:50:42 PM |
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Why is there a 1x1 pixel GIF attachment to your post?
Colin Day aa #1500
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