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"Jason Gastrich" |
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19 Feb 2005 05:38:26 PM |
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Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan Barker's
"Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An Introduction" and they
didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these books in the library?
Regards,
Jason
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 06:24:23 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan
Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An
Introduction" and they didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these
books in the library?
My guess is that a theist took them out and destroyed them.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 06:30:22 PM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan
Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An
Introduction" and they didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these
books in the library?
My guess is that a theist took them out and destroyed them.
If this is true, then their entry should still be in the library computer.
Plus, the library would likely go and get another copy.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 11:45:16 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ySQRd.5613$VD5.3486@twister.socal.rr.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan
Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An
Introduction" and they didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these
books in the library?
My guess is that a theist took them out and destroyed them.
If this is true, then their entry should still be in the library
computer. Plus, the library would likely go and get another copy.
No, they would remove the entry for books they do not own, and no, they
would not replace a stolen book. Funds are tight in San Diego right now.
--
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William James used to preach "the will to believe". For my part, I should
wish to preach "the will to doubt". What is wanted is not the will to
believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 02:14:13 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ySQRd.5613$VD5.3486@twister.socal.rr.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan
Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An
Introduction" and they didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these
books in the library?
My guess is that a theist took them out and destroyed them.
If this is true, then their entry should still be in the library
computer. Plus, the library would likely go and get another copy.
No, they would remove the entry for books they do not own, and no,
they would not replace a stolen book. Funds are tight in San Diego
right now.
Theft is one possibility.
How do you know if funds are tight in San Diego's library system?
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 08:11:23 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in news:pFXRd.6184
$VD5.4388@twister.socal.rr.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ySQRd.5613$VD5.3486@twister.socal.rr.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan
Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An
Introduction" and they didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these
books in the library?
My guess is that a theist took them out and destroyed them.
If this is true, then their entry should still be in the library
computer. Plus, the library would likely go and get another copy.
No, they would remove the entry for books they do not own, and no,
they would not replace a stolen book. Funds are tight in San Diego
right now.
Theft is one possibility.
How do you know if funds are tight in San Diego's library system?
They are tight in every city department. I know because I read more than
the Bible. It's not only weak on history, but on current events as well.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt
up after being drunk all night.
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 05:34:08 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ySQRd.5613$VD5.3486@twister.socal.rr.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had
Dan
Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An
Introduction" and they didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't
these
books in the library?
My guess is that a theist took them out and destroyed them.
If this is true, then their entry should still be in the library
computer. Plus, the library would likely go and get another copy.
No, they would remove the entry for books they do not own, and no,
they would not replace a stolen book. Funds are tight in San Diego
right now.
Theft is one possibility.
How do you know if funds are tight in San Diego's library system?
How could someone who ran for Governor not know that the state, and
every governmental entity within the state, was not having some fiscal
problems?
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 06:46:09 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had
Dan
Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An
Introduction" and they didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these
books in the library?
My guess is that a theist took them out and destroyed them.
If this is true, then their entry should still be in the library
computer.
That's correct, Jason.
On the other hand:
Plus, the library would likely go and get another copy.
They would?
Why would they do that?
It's not an automatic process, Jason.
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| User: "David Mooney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 06:32:24 PM |
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I once donated a copy of "Losing Faith in Faith" as well as "Born Again
Skeptics Guide to the Bible" and both books didn't last the year before they
"disappeared" from the library. Three guesses what happened.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 06:35:39 PM |
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David Mooney wrote:
I once donated a copy of "Losing Faith in Faith" as well as "Born
Again Skeptics Guide to the Bible" and both books didn't last the
year before they "disappeared" from the library. Three guesses what
happened.
Which library?
Regards,
Jason
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "David Mooney" |
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19 Feb 2005 06:56:14 PM |
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David Mooney wrote:
I once donated a copy of "Losing Faith in Faith" as well as "Born
Again Skeptics Guide to the Bible" and both books didn't last the
year before they "disappeared" from the library. Three guesses what
happened.
Which library?
and
Regards,
Jason
My hometown library, in a rural North Carolina town, which I will not name.
If you don't believe me, too bad. By the way Jason, I used to live in
downtown San Diego back in the early 1990's and worked part-time for the
Truth Seeker offices right across the street from the main library. If you
stood facing the entrance to the library, the building directly across the
street to your right was the offices of the Truth Seeker. They donated a
copy of Barker's book to the downtown branch. Now you claim they don't have
a copy. Odd, isn't it?
Surprisingly, you can find old copies of freethought books at the San Diego
library but they are downstairs in the basement and you have to fill out a
request chit for them. Then they will send the books up in a small elevator.
At least this is the way it was as late as January 1993. They did have a
copy of an ~Anthology of Atheism~ as well in the skeptical section and a
book by Mackie. I forget now the numbering system used to find the
skeptical section, but I believe it is 211, although I may be wrong. Try and
see if you can find the book under the Dewey system in the 211 section. If
not, I will try to find the correct number for you. Once you know the
number, they are easy to find.
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 07:16:59 PM |
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David Mooney wrote:
David Mooney wrote:
I once donated a copy of "Losing Faith in Faith" as well as "Born
Again Skeptics Guide to the Bible" and both books didn't last the
year before they "disappeared" from the library. Three guesses what
happened.
Which library?
and
Regards,
Jason
My hometown library, in a rural North Carolina town, which I will not
name. If you don't believe me, too bad. By the way Jason, I used to
live in downtown San Diego back in the early 1990's and worked
part-time for the Truth Seeker offices right across the street from
the main library. If you stood facing the entrance to the library,
the building directly across the street to your right was the offices
of the Truth Seeker. They donated a copy of Barker's book to the
downtown branch. Now you claim they don't have a copy. Odd, isn't it?
Surprisingly, you can find old copies of freethought books at the San
Diego library but they are downstairs in the basement and you have to
fill out a request chit for them. Then they will send the books up in
a small elevator. At least this is the way it was as late as January
1993. They did have a copy of an ~Anthology of Atheism~ as well in
the skeptical section and a book by Mackie. I forget now the
numbering system used to find the skeptical section, but I believe it
is 211, although I may be wrong. Try and see if you can find the book
under the Dewey system in the 211 section. If not, I will try to find
the correct number for you. Once you know the number, they are easy
to find.
David,
I wonder where all of these atheist books keeping going.
I'm pretty far from the downtown library. However, I can check any
library's computer. The ones I mentioned weren't listed at all. I simply
found it curious.
What is Truth Seeker?
Regards,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "David Mooney" |
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19 Feb 2005 07:30:59 PM |
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David,
I wonder where all of these atheist books keeping going.
I'm pretty far from the downtown library. However, I can check any
library's computer. The ones I mentioned weren't listed at all. I simply
found it curious.
What is Truth Seeker?
Regards,
Jason
Yes, I wonder where those books keep going as well. I am not the only one to
wonder that. Others have complained over the years how the books they have
donated have "disappeared" many not even showing up on the shelves. Since
you are so smart, maybe you have an idea or two that may explain these
mysterious disappearances of atheist books...I don't see many fundamentalist
books disappearing from my hometown library.
The Truth Seeker Co. published a magazine called "The Truth Seeker", a
magazine that is the world's longest running atheist publication (from the
19th century). At its zenith it was a monthly publication, but when I worked
for them they were a quarterly magazine and they were struggling. It seems
that the quality of the magazine had declined rapidly since the 1960's, when
James Hervey Johnson virtually turned it into a pro-Aryian rag. After his
death, it passed to Bonnie Lang, who did away with the overt racism and
turned it more into a new-age type magazine with some skeptical and
freethought articles interspersed throughout. However, the damage done by
James Hervey Johnson was never recovered from. As late as 1992 the Truth
Seeker was still listed by some KKK and White Aryian publications as a
source for their racist idealogies although by then the Truth Seeker had
long shed its racist bent.
In the mid 1990's after I left, the Truth Seeker was embroiled in a lawsuit
with the American Atheist organization because, according to them, the Truth
Seeker was no longer fulfilling the wishes of the man who had left a large
sum of money behind to keep the magazine solvent. According to the A.A., the
Truth Seeker was not fulfilling the wishes of the will by indulging into
too much New Age stuff. The A.A. "lost" the suit, or so I heard. The Truth
Seeker later went to twice-a-year publishing and then moved it's offices out
of the downtown area in and around 1996. Last I heard they were a online
only magazine. I haven't even checked so I don't know if this is the case.
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 07:42:17 PM |
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David Mooney wrote:
David,
I wonder where all of these atheist books keeping going.
I'm pretty far from the downtown library. However, I can check any
library's computer. The ones I mentioned weren't listed at all. I
simply
found it curious.
What is Truth Seeker?
Regards,
Jason
Yes, I wonder where those books keep going as well. I am not the only
one to
wonder that. Others have complained over the years how the books they
have
donated have "disappeared" many not even showing up on the shelves.
Since
you are so smart, maybe you have an idea or two that may explain
these
mysterious disappearances of atheist books...I don't see many
fundamentalist
books disappearing from my hometown library.
Well, to some level, I have some input, having served on a library
board or two in my day.
While there's no doubt that some zealous religionists remove books they
find offensive and destroy them, while others lobby to have "offensive"
books removed, the usual answer is economics and shelf space.
Libraries are only so large, after all, and can only accommodate so
many books.
And there's no obligation on the part of any library - no matter how
large - to carry every book in print or ever printed.
I'm sure most of us understand that part of it, but then there's the
issue of what's kept and what donated books are actually taken in to
inventory and shelved, and in those cases, it's simply a matter of what
is likely to be popular among the library patrons - what will be
checked out frequently or used liberally and returned.
Donated books that have little prospect of being used are discarded,
sold, or given away. The same occurs with books that don't have a high
turn-over or older editions of more popular books.
Of course, it's more detailed than that, but that's the gist.
Also, libraries do not just go out and purchase new copies of "lost" or
"stolen" books.
That's all for whatever it's worth.
< snip >
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21 Feb 2005 01:10:07 AM |
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"David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1108863737.136509.109150
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
David Mooney wrote:
David,
I wonder where all of these atheist books keeping going.
I'm pretty far from the downtown library. However, I can check any
library's computer. The ones I mentioned weren't listed at all. I
simply
found it curious.
What is Truth Seeker?
Regards,
Jason
Yes, I wonder where those books keep going as well. I am not the only
one to
wonder that. Others have complained over the years how the books they
have
donated have "disappeared" many not even showing up on the shelves.
Since
you are so smart, maybe you have an idea or two that may explain
these
mysterious disappearances of atheist books...I don't see many
fundamentalist
books disappearing from my hometown library.
Well, to some level, I have some input, having served on a library
board or two in my day.
While there's no doubt that some zealous religionists remove books they
find offensive and destroy them, while others lobby to have "offensive"
books removed, the usual answer is economics and shelf space.
Libraries are only so large, after all, and can only accommodate so
many books.
And there's no obligation on the part of any library - no matter how
large - to carry every book in print or ever printed.
I'm sure most of us understand that part of it, but then there's the
issue of what's kept and what donated books are actually taken in to
inventory and shelved, and in those cases, it's simply a matter of what
is likely to be popular among the library patrons - what will be
checked out frequently or used liberally and returned.
Donated books that have little prospect of being used are discarded,
sold, or given away. The same occurs with books that don't have a high
turn-over or older editions of more popular books.
Of course, it's more detailed than that, but that's the gist.
Also, libraries do not just go out and purchase new copies of "lost" or
"stolen" books.
That's all for whatever it's worth.
< snip >
What happens is some zealot finds a book on atheism and decides to keep
some poor sould from burning in hell, so they destroy the book. In their
mind they are destoying a work of satan. I know, I used to think like
that.
I wonder if Ayn Rand's books would be the next titles to be "lost"?
rj
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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19 Feb 2005 07:34:33 PM |
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David Mooney wrote:
David,
I wonder where all of these atheist books keeping going.
I'm pretty far from the downtown library. However, I can check any
library's computer. The ones I mentioned weren't listed at all. I
simply found it curious.
What is Truth Seeker?
Regards,
Jason
Yes, I wonder where those books keep going as well. I am not the only
one to wonder that. Others have complained over the years how the
books they have donated have "disappeared" many not even showing up
on the shelves. Since you are so smart, maybe you have an idea or two
that may explain these mysterious disappearances of atheist books...I
don't see many fundamentalist books disappearing from my hometown
library.
Your guess is as good as mine.
Have you actually tracked fundy books to the point where you'd know if one
were missing?
The Truth Seeker Co. published a magazine called "The Truth Seeker", a
magazine that is the world's longest running atheist publication
(from the 19th century).
Sounds like the Lone Gunmen.
At its zenith it was a monthly publication,
but when I worked for them they were a quarterly magazine and they
were struggling. It seems that the quality of the magazine had
declined rapidly since the 1960's, when James Hervey Johnson
virtually turned it into a pro-Aryian rag. After his death, it passed
to Bonnie Lang, who did away with the overt racism and turned it more
into a new-age type magazine with some skeptical and freethought
articles interspersed throughout. However, the damage done by James
Hervey Johnson was never recovered from. As late as 1992 the Truth
Seeker was still listed by some KKK and White Aryian publications as
a source for their racist idealogies although by then the Truth
Seeker had long shed its racist bent.
It's peculiar how an atheist publication could evolve so much: from atheist
to Aryian to new age.
In the mid 1990's after I left, the Truth Seeker was embroiled in a
lawsuit with the American Atheist organization because, according to
them, the Truth Seeker was no longer fulfilling the wishes of the man
who had left a large sum of money behind to keep the magazine
solvent. According to the A.A., the Truth Seeker was not fulfilling
the wishes of the will by indulging into too much New Age stuff. The
A.A. "lost" the suit, or so I heard. The Truth Seeker later went to
twice-a-year publishing and then moved it's offices out of the
downtown area in and around 1996. Last I heard they were a online
only magazine. I haven't even checked so I don't know if this is the
case.
Thanks.
Regards,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 07:29:54 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
David Mooney wrote:
David Mooney wrote:
I once donated a copy of "Losing Faith in Faith" as well as "Born
Again Skeptics Guide to the Bible" and both books didn't last the
year before they "disappeared" from the library. Three guesses
what
happened.
Which library?
and
Regards,
Jason
My hometown library, in a rural North Carolina town, which I will
not
name. If you don't believe me, too bad. By the way Jason, I used to
live in downtown San Diego back in the early 1990's and worked
part-time for the Truth Seeker offices right across the street from
the main library. If you stood facing the entrance to the library,
the building directly across the street to your right was the
offices
of the Truth Seeker. They donated a copy of Barker's book to the
downtown branch. Now you claim they don't have a copy. Odd, isn't
it?
Surprisingly, you can find old copies of freethought books at the
San
Diego library but they are downstairs in the basement and you have
to
fill out a request chit for them. Then they will send the books up
in
a small elevator. At least this is the way it was as late as
January
1993. They did have a copy of an ~Anthology of Atheism~ as well in
the skeptical section and a book by Mackie. I forget now the
numbering system used to find the skeptical section, but I believe
it
is 211, although I may be wrong. Try and see if you can find the
book
under the Dewey system in the 211 section. If not, I will try to
find
the correct number for you. Once you know the number, they are easy
to find.
David,
I wonder where all of these atheist books keeping going.
"Keeping going," Jason?
What is your POINT, after all?
I'm pretty far from the downtown library. However, I can check any
library's computer. The ones I mentioned weren't listed at all. I
simply
found it curious.
And why is that, Jason?
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| User: "David" |
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19 Feb 2005 06:47:27 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
David Mooney wrote:
I once donated a copy of "Losing Faith in Faith" as well as "Born
Again Skeptics Guide to the Bible" and both books didn't last the
year before they "disappeared" from the library. Three guesses what
happened.
Which library?
Why does that matter, Jason?
Did you understand David's point?
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 08:19:41 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:S5QRd.5605$VD5.4367@twister.socal.rr.com...
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan
Barker's
"Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An Introduction" and
they
didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these books in the library?
The answer is easy. When one of us atheists sees such a
book at the library we are probably going to like it and
having no morals we just steal it.
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
19 Feb 2005 07:05:12 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:38:26 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
I was at the library last week and I checked to see if they had Dan Barker's
"Losing Faith in Faith" or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An Introduction" and they
didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these books in the library?
Because people checked them out.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 05:02:15 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
I was at the library last week and I checked to
see if they had Dan Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith"
or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An Introduction" and they
didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these books in the library?
Anyone with half an ounce of intellectual wherewithal and integrity
would have asked the library staff. I guess that lets you out. No
surprises there.
Budikka
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 11:50:10 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
I was at the library last week and I checked to
see if they had Dan Barker's "Losing Faith in Faith"
or Doug Kruger's "Atheism: An Introduction" and they
didn't. Is this typical? Why aren't these books in the library?
Anyone with half an ounce of intellectual wherewithal and integrity
would have asked the library staff. I guess that lets you out. No
surprises there.
Budikka
Really? Do you stay up late thinking of these phrases?
I preferred hearing what the atheists had to say about this.
Colorful, mean-spirited phrases, though. You should get a prize.
Regards,
Jason
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John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
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Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 04:06:15 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Colorful, mean-spirited phrases, though.
I don't see why it should be necessary to have to instruct someone who
pretends to a PhD how to use a public library, but obviously it was
required in yoru case. That you could confuse a public service like
that for mean-spiritedness is a far greater comment on your intellect
than it is on my spirit.
And really, what kind of response is this from someone who posted a
mean-spirited message in the first place? You're truly a professional
hypocrite, aren't you? Now instead of avoiding, at every opportunity,
your master's injunction to turn the other cheek, why don't you go read
your Bible and count how many instructions you've been flouting in your
behavior on Usenet? Run along now, since you don't have anything
useful to say. There's a good boy.
Budikka
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 04:23:57 PM |
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On 20 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
You're truly a professional hypocrite, aren't you?
If you think so, I'm not persuaded you understand the notion. And, judge
not that ye be not judged applies to all of us. Including you. Not that
you care ..
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
20 Feb 2005 05:33:05 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On 20 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
You're truly a professional hypocrite, aren't you?
If you think so, I'm not persuaded you understand the notion.
Why not, George?
And, judge
not that ye be not judged applies to all of us. Including you. Not
that
you care ..
What's the rest of the verse, George?
For by the measure that you judge, you will be judged.
Right?
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
21 Feb 2005 04:43:37 AM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On 20 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
You're truly a professional hypocrite, aren't you?
If you think so, I'm not persuaded you understand the notion. And,
judge
not that ye be not judged applies to all of us. Including you. Not
that
you care ..
I don't know who you are, but the lack of understanding is on your
part. My comment about hypocrisy refers to Gastrich's thoughtless
message. Why you felt a need to respond is beyond me, but your
comments on judgement are also hypocritical, since here you are,
judging me. How pathetically predictable is that?
Budikka
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
21 Feb 2005 06:09:48 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
George Peatty wrote:
On 20 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0800, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
You're truly a professional hypocrite, aren't you?
If you think so, I'm not persuaded you understand the notion. And,
judge not that ye be not judged applies to all of us. Including
you. Not that you care ..
I don't know who you are, but the lack of understanding is on your
part. My comment about hypocrisy refers to Gastrich's thoughtless
message. Why you felt a need to respond is beyond me,
George can respond to anything he wishes.
You and your buddies respond to all kinds of things that have nothing to do
with them. It's part and parcel on usenet.
JG
but your
comments on judgement are also hypocritical, since here you are,
judging me. How pathetically predictable is that?
Budikka
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
22 Feb 2005 07:09:21 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
George Peatty wrote:
On 20 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0800, "Budikka666"
<budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
You're truly a professional hypocrite, aren't you?
If you think so, I'm not persuaded you understand the notion.
And,
judge not that ye be not judged applies to all of us. Including
you. Not that you care ..
I don't know who you are, but the lack of understanding is on your
part. My comment about hypocrisy refers to Gastrich's thoughtless
message. Why you felt a need to respond is beyond me,
George can respond to anything he wishes.
No one claimed that George couldn't respond, Jason. What was
questioned was why he felt a need to do so.
You and your buddies respond to all kinds of things that have nothing
to do
with them.
To do with what, Jason?
It's part and parcel on usenet.
What do you think "part and parcel on" means, Jason?
Over 90,000 web pages!
Now that you put up a bunch of animal pictures and that new resource
(which you don't own, by the way), we're up another 10,000.
It's all about numbers to you, isn't it, Jason?
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
21 Feb 2005 07:09:29 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Budikka666 wrote:
George Peatty wrote:
On 20 Feb 2005 14:06:15 -0800, "Budikka666"
<budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
You're truly a professional hypocrite, aren't you?
If you think so, I'm not persuaded you understand the notion.
And,
judge not that ye be not judged applies to all of us. Including
you. Not that you care ..
I don't know who you are, but the lack of understanding is on your
part. My comment about hypocrisy refers to Gastrich's thoughtless
message. Why you felt a need to respond is beyond me,
George can respond to anything he wishes.
So can you, Jason.
But for some reason, whenever it involves any kind of challenge at all,
you seem very reluctant to do so.
Why is that?
You and your buddies respond to all kinds of things that have nothing
to do
with them. It's part and parcel on usenet.
And there are often responses that have EVERYTHING to do with the
message eliciting the response.
So what?
Did you have a point, Jason?
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
22 Feb 2005 04:35:28 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
George can respond to anything he wishes.
No *****, Gastric! Really? People can respond to anything they wish?
Wowieeeeeee!!!!!!!
You and your buddies respond to all kinds of things that have nothing
to do
with them.
If it's in a.a, moron, it's do do with atheists. Please, do the planet
a favor a get a clue before you open your pedantic mouth again.
It's part and parcel on usenet.
And please do try to refrain from responding to messages when you don't
have the first clue what the meaning is, okay?
Now it's time for you to turn tail and run. It's what you do best,
after all, whenever I've confronted you.
Budikka
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Books - Absent From the San Diego Library |
26 Feb 2005 12:53:25 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
George can respond to anything he wishes.
No *****, Gastric! Really? People can respond to anything they wish?
Wowieeeeeee!!!!!!!
You and your buddies respond to all kinds of things that have
nothing to do with them.
If it's in a.a, moron, it's do do with atheists. Please, do the
planet a favor a get a clue before you open your pedantic mouth again.
It's part and parcel on usenet.
And please do try to refrain from responding to messages when you
don't have the first clue what the meaning is, okay?
Now it's time for you to turn tail and run. It's what you do best,
after all, whenever I've confronted you.
Budikka
Nah . . . I'm sure you're "wonderful" post deserves a response.
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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