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"Glenn Arnold" |
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20 Feb 2005 11:03:32 AM |
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Atheist Holiday |
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 07:27:42 PM |
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"Glenn Arnold" <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in message
news:4218C2E4.6050107@att.net...
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
The Holiday of April Fool had something to do with making fun of backward
country folk who still used the Julian calendar.
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| User: "There She Was Just A-Clayton Down The Street..." |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 06:52:56 PM |
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"Glenn Arnold" <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in message
news:4218C2E4.6050107@att.net...
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
We already have our own holiday! About 10 years ago I hijacked Good Friday
and changed it to "Life Of Brian" Friday! It's now recognized around the
world! :-D
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 11:41:24 AM |
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"Glenn Arnold" <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in message
news:4218C2E4.6050107@att.net...
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the ditty
to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
like the christians hijacked all the pagan festivals?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 01:44:25 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bobbybobbobthebobster.com> wrote:
like the christians hijacked all the pagan festivals?
We didn't hijack them. They were wasted as only 365 are available. Now some of
them are the greatest holidays in the universe.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Glenn Arnold" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 03:39:00 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
"Glenn Arnold" <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in message
news:4218C2E4.6050107@att.net...
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the ditty
to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
like the christians hijacked all the pagan festivals?
Sure, why not?
Glenn Arnold
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 12:21:59 PM |
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Glenn Arnold <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in news:4218C2E4.6050107@att.net:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
We already have Darwin Day.
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Enkidu AA#2165
The being cannot be termed rational or virtuous, who obeys any authority,
but that of reason.
-- Mary Wollstonecraft
Now playing: Disney - Mouse Song
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 01:45:03 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:21:59 GMT, Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Glenn Arnold <oldnoah@att.net> wrote in news:4218C2E4.6050107@att.net:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
We already have Darwin Day.
You also have Fool's day. It always comes on 4/1.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 01:52:47 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, duke wrote:
You also have Fool's day. It always comes on 4/1.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/4/sufferfoolsg.html
II Corinthians 11:19
For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
21 Feb 2005 06:21:24 AM |
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Carol Lee Smith wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, duke wrote:
You also have Fool's day. It always comes on 4/1.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/4/sufferfoolsg.html
II Corinthians 11:19
For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
Yes...and ?
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 02:29:52 PM |
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duke wrote:
You also have Fool's day. It always comes on 4/1.
January 4th? That's a new one on me.
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David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
If God had meant us to believe in him, he wouldn't have given us brains.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
21 Feb 2005 06:17:58 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:29:52 +0000, Secular Fundamentalist
<moc.turtle@eltrut.com> said in alt.atheism:
duke wrote:
You also have Fool's day. It always comes on 4/1.
January 4th? That's a new one on me.
No, April 1 on this side of the pond - but I didn't know there was a
holiday named for Earl.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
21 Feb 2005 07:03:39 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:tfuk1199cq5djimcv8dlbusshihqs96t0n@4ax.com:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:29:52 +0000, Secular Fundamentalist
<moc.turtle@eltrut.com> said in alt.atheism:
duke wrote:
You also have Fool's day. It always comes on 4/1.
January 4th? That's a new one on me.
No, April 1 on this side of the pond - but I didn't know there was a
holiday named for Earl.
He's a year-round fool. He needs more than one day.
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Enkidu AA#2165
The next time someone tells me that Jesus died for my sins, I'm tempted
to reply, "Oh yeah? Well, Prometheus spent several thousand years getting
his liver ripped out by a vulture just so you could cook your food -- and
HE doesn't threaten to punish you if you don't worship him!"
-- Andrew Lias
Now playing: Beat Farmers - Riverside
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
20 Feb 2005 05:01:42 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:29:52 +0000, Secular Fundamentalist
<moc.turtle@eltrut.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
You also have Fool's day. It always comes on 4/1.
January 4th? That's a new one on me.
You'll figure it out yet.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Ray Hiiggins" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
11 Jul 2005 03:30:48 PM |
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Glenn Arnold <oldnoah@att.net> wrote:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
Obviously, no one wants to take it seriously. Holidays are those dates or
events that are important to the person celebrating them. The are used by a
community to reinforce beliefs and ideas important to them. They are
frequently both a reaffirmation of ones set of beliefs among the faithful and
dramatization of that belief to those to the none-believer. Although we tend
to associate it religious, ethnic, and nationalistic organizations, most groups
usually have some event that would qualify as a holiday. Atheist could use
some holidays to allow us and our community at large to focus on our important
issues. The real question at large is what is important for Atheist.
Admittedly, atheists are a pretty heterogeneous group with a broad set of
beliefs but there are many with a common sets of beliefs that might be the
basis for setting up some common atheist holiday.
Personally I would look at significant events and people in scientific and
discovery to picking Holidays. "Darwin Day" (Charles Darwin's birthday) is my
favorite candidate for an atheist holiday, and one I do take as personnel
reaffirmation of my beliefs. There are a large assortment of similar dates of
famous people and events. Other than science we could pick more abstract
events and concept like truth, science, skepticism, the big bang, the beginning
of life, evolution, or discovery of fire. We would have to either pick an
arbitrary date or some date that is at least loosely related to it, like
celebrating the process of evolution on Darwin Day. The key in making a
successful holiday is just making a decision on what is important to you and
what piece of you do you want to reaffirm to yourself, your fellow believers,
and the world at large.
Meme Pilot
"believing is seeing"
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| User: "Wieland der Schmied" |
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20 Feb 2005 02:38:00 PM |
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Glenn Arnold wrote:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
Maybe the Christians should momorize St. Paul
on this day.
I couldn't believe it, so I looked it up in the bible, and
really, you can read it in the letter to Titus:
"Like one of them said, all Cretians are liars"
He didn't get it, that this has been a famous paradox for
many years before, used to show that it is possible to
make statements, which create a logigical circle that
just doesn't work.
Instead he took it as a statemant about the Cretians, not
realising that the one who said it, should be a liar as well.
This shows that Christinity meant going backward in
cultural development.
Europe lost about 1200 years of scientific and philosophical
progress due to Christianty, in about 1500 AD we got to the level,
on which the Romans and Greek had been around 300 AD.
BTW I like The Cretians, was there twice, and also visited
Gortyn, where they show the ruins of Titus's church.
Regards
Wieland the Smith,
EAC: Herder of the Trolls
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| User: "Raymond" |
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21 Feb 2005 02:57:36 PM |
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Wieland der Schmied wrote:
Glenn Arnold wrote:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
Maybe the Christians should momorize St. Paul
on this day.
I couldn't believe it, so I looked it up in the bible, and
really, you can read it in the letter to Titus:
"Like one of them said, all Cretians are liars"
He didn't get it, that this has been a famous paradox for
many years before, used to show that it is possible to
make statements, which create a logigical circle that
just doesn't work.
Instead he took it as a statemant about the Cretians, not
realising that the one who said it, should be a liar as well.
This shows that Christinity meant going backward in
cultural development.
Europe lost about 1200 years of scientific and philosophical
progress due to Christianty, in about 1500 AD we got to the level,
on which the Romans and Greek had been around 300 AD.
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So very true Herder of the Trolls,
Several days after the moon landing in 1969, my college professor
(French Revolution) told the class that we humans would have been on
the moon in the year 800 if it had not been for the horiffic
destructive deeds of the Catholic Church in Europe. I totally agree.
Medical example:
Medicine in the Middle Ages:
Medical knowledge in the Middle Ages must have appeared to have stood
still. While the Ancient Romans, Greeks and Egyptians had pushed
forward medical knowledge, after the demise of these civilisations, the
momentum started by these people tended to stagnate and it did not
develop at the same pace until the Seventeenth/Eighteenth Centuries. In
Britain, as an example, most things linked to the Romans was destroyed
- villas were covered up as the Ancient Britons believed that they
contained ghosts and evil spirits. With this approach, it is not
surprising that anything medical linked to the Romans fell into disuse
in Britain.
By the 14th Century, universities had developed in Western Europe that
could be classed as medical schools where students could study under a
master physician. The University of Montpelier was one such university.
Dissections of human bodies were carried out in these universities so
anyone wanting to study medicine in the Middle Ages was not totally
ignorant of facts about the human body. Public debates were also
encouraged about medical issues and it is known that some medical
schools encouraged students to actually challenge the ideas of Galen
and Hippocrates. As a result of this refusal to take what Galen and
Hippocrates had stated at face value some progress was made in the
medical world during this time.
However, medicine became steeped in superstition and the Roman Catholic
Church effectively dominated what direction the medical world took. Any
views different from the established Roman Catholic Church view could
veer towards heresy with the punishments that entailed. Therefore, when
the Roman Catholic Church stated that illnesses were punishments from
God and that those who were ill were so because they were sinners, few
argued otherwise.
Medical practitioners were also still heavily influenced by Galen 1000
years after his death. Mondino's book on the anatomy, "Anathomia",
still relied on observations made by Galen and other Greek writers of
medicine.
The diagnosis of disease
No-one knew what really caused diseases. For the Roman Catholic Church
they were a punishment from God for sinful behaviour. However, some
progress was made in certain areas.
The first authentic description of the symptoms of smallpox were
recorded by Rhazes who lived from 860 to 932 AD. However, society was
many centuries away from a cure.
Urine charts were also used to help physicians diagnose illnesses.
Certain coloured urine indicated certain illnesses. Combined with a
table of the planets, these gave physicians enough information to
diagnose a disease. Once the disease had been diagnosed, a treatment
was decided on.
Physicians still believed that an imbalance of humours played a major
part in illnesses.
SEE:
484-640 Period between Great Schism and the Catholic Church destruction
of the Library of Alexendria -
Middle Ages
640-1380 Period between destruction of Library of Alexandria and the
first complete English translation of the Bible.
Albert Einstein
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
Let us prey.
Bluerhymer - Former Catholic
Thanks to libraries and liberated professors.
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BTW I like The Cretians, was there twice, and also visited
Gortyn, where they show the ruins of Titus's church.
Regards
Wieland the Smith,
EAC: Herder of the Trolls
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| User: "Frank J Warner" |
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20 Feb 2005 08:43:01 PM |
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In article <4218C2E4.6050107@att.net>, Glenn Arnold <oldnoah@att.net>
wrote:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
The way I see it, Christians have Xmas, Easter, All Saints Day, and so
on.
We've got all the other days :)
-Frank
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Here's some of my work:
http://www.franksknives.com
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| User: "Emma Pease" |
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20 Feb 2005 09:43:37 PM |
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In article <4218C2E4.6050107@att.net>, Glenn Arnold wrote:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
You can't have a general atheist holiday anymore than you can have a
general theist holiday. The differences amongst atheists or amongst
theists is greater than the differences between most atheists and
theists.
What we can have are holidays that are
1. aren't concerned with religious beliefs or lack thereof
2. are international in scope
Big existing ones I can think of are
New Year's Day - Jan 1
Remembrance Day - November 11 (not completely international but is
celebrated by most countries involved in WWI, name
varies. Sometimes has religious overtones.)
Labour Day - May 1 (and assorted other dates depending on country)
Personally I like Thinking Day (Feb. 22) admittedly it is suppose to
be a Girl Scout/Guide day for thinking about their sister
scouts/guides around the world and often contacting them (e.g, by HAM
radio, web, etc) but the idea could be expanded.
--
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|\* | Emma Pease Net Spinster
|_\/ Die Luft der Freiheit weht
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| User: "Raymond" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:02:04 AM |
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Emma Pease <emma@kanpai.stanford.edu> wrote in message news:<slrnd1im6r.dsr.emma@munin.Stanford.EDU>...
In article <4218C2E4.6050107@att.net>, Glenn Arnold wrote:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
You can't have a general atheist holiday anymore than you can have a
general theist holiday. The differences amongst atheists or amongst
theists is greater than the differences between most atheists and
theists.
What we can have are holidays that are
1. aren't concerned with religious beliefs or lack thereof
2. are international in scope
Big existing ones I can think of are
New Year's Day - Jan 1
Remembrance Day - November 11 (not completely international but is
celebrated by most countries involved in WWI, name
varies. Sometimes has religious overtones.)
Labour Day - May 1 (and assorted other dates depending on country)
Personally I like Thinking Day (Feb. 22) admittedly it is suppose to
be a Girl Scout/Guide day for thinking about their sister
scouts/guides around the world and often contacting them (e.g, by HAM
radio, web, etc) but the idea could be expanded.
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"Believing in gods always causes confusion."
--- Pearl S. Buck
"I once wanted to become an atheist but I gave up. They have NO holidays.
--- Henny Youngman
Let us prey
Bluerhymer
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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21 Feb 2005 01:26:57 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:43:37 -0600, Emma Pease wrote
(in article <slrnd1im6r.dsr.emma@munin.Stanford.EDU>):
Personally I like Thinking Day (Feb. 22) admittedly it is suppose to be a
Girl Scout/Guide day for thinking about their sister scouts/guides around the
world and often contacting them (e.g, by HAM radio, web, etc) but the idea
could be expanded.
Great timing, and thinking, since that is tomorrow.
Good Thinking Day to you.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³4 out of 5 dentists recommend the Theory of Evolution.³-John S. Wilkins
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist Holiday |
21 Feb 2005 01:04:41 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:03:32 -0500, Glenn Arnold <oldnoah@att.net>
wrote:
Everytime I hear the stupid story about April Fool's day being the
"Atheists Holiday" I think we ought to embrace it. Like the way the
colonists took over "Yankee Doodle" from the British, who wrote the
ditty to demean them.
So... Whaddya think?
Glenn Arnold
Kind of close to Life of Brian Friday, isn't it?
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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