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User: "Atheist Bruiser"
Date: 24 Aug 2004 05:19:23 PM
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User: "Earle Jones"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 28 Aug 2004 03:39:36 PM
In article <412BF323.7D0FB07@netvigator.com>,
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

Atheist Bruiser wrote:

You think questions like, "Can God create a rock so big
that He cannot lift it?" and, "Can God will Himself out of
existence?" are perfect examples of how to disprove God's
omnipotence and ultimately how to disprove God. When
someone proves to you the false logic behind the questions
(i.e. pitting God's omnipotence against itself), you
desperately try to defend the questions, but then give up
and go to a different Christian site to ask them
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tostimulate your rational mind
www.atheistfools.com


Well try these questions then, they are much more in line
with present day humanity and a current need for sanity:

1) How would you define God, and why are you so convinced
that there is one?

2) If everything needs a creator, then who or what created
God?

3) How can something that cannot be described be said to
exist?

4) Since there are countless religions in the world today
claiming to be the one true religion , why do you think
yours is truer than theirs?

5) Can more than one of these religions be right?

6) If you feel in your heart that your religion is the right
one, how do you answer those of other faiths who claim the
same thing?

7) How do you settle the debate and find out which of these
religions, if any, is the right one?

8) Why does God allow all these false religions to exist?

9) Is the bloody history of Christianity consistent with
what is supposed to be a religion of love, or does it simply
illustrate the consequences of abandoning reason for faith?

10) If everything is the product of a grand design by an
omniscient, benevolent designer, why is the history of life
a record of horrible suffering, blundering waste, and
miserable failures? Why does this God go through billions of
years of such carnage without yet arriving at His goal?

11) Why did God intervene so many times in human affairs
during antiquity (according to the Bible) and yet not do
anything during the Holocaust of the Second World War?

12) Why should oneís inner convictions about the existence
of God indicate that He/She/They/It exists outside of that
personís mind?

13) Can a God who would abandon His children when they
needed him the most still be considered all good?

14) If something is not rational, should it be believed
anyway?

15) If the God of the Bible is all good, why does He himself
say that He created evil? (Isaiah 45:7)

16) Is there a better way than reason to acquire knowledge
and truth?

17) If you would answer #16 with faith, then why are there
so many contradictory faiths in the world?

18) Is comfort more important to you than intellectual
integrity?

19) What would it take to convince you that you are wrong?

20) If nothing can convince you that you are wrong, then why
should your faith be considered anything other than a cult?

21) If an atheist lives a decent, moral life, why should a
loving, compassionate God care whether or not we believe in
Him/Her/It?

22) Why do so many religious people thank God when they
survive a disaster, yet fail to be angry with him for
causing the disaster in the first place?

23) If you demand that the atheist disprove the
Judeo-Christian God, are you prepared to disprove the
existence of Zeus, Odin, Ra and all the other ancient gods
and goddesses?

24) Why is the number of atheists in prisons
disproportionally much smaller than their numbers in the
general population?

25) Is the brutal, vengeful and bloodthirsty God as depicted
in the Old Testament still a loving God?

26) Should any religion that demands we elevate faith over
reason be trusted?

27) How can the same God that, according to the Old
Testament, killed everybody on Earth except for four people
be considered as anything other than evil?

28) Is the acceptance of religious mysticism, magic and
miracles consistent with our understanding of good mental
health?

29) Must we hate our families and ourselves in order to be
good Christians? (Luke 14:26)

30) Since the ancient world abounded with tales of
resurrected Savior-Gods that were supposed to have returned
from the dead to save humanity, why is the Jesus myth any
truer than all the others?

31) If the Bible is the standard for morality, why does it
not forbid slavery and war?

32) If the Bible is the inerrant word of God, why does it
contain so many factual errors, such as the two
contradictory accounts of Creation in Genesis?

33) Why isnít the Bible written in a straightforward way
that leaves no doubt about what it means?

34) The last time Christianity attained total power, it
resulted in the Dark Ages, so why should we expect anything
different from Christian fundamentalists today?

35) Why does history show that every time a fundamentalist
religion gains power, tyranny and persecution soon follows?

*
Hey Bruiser! Yes you, you ignorant turd!
Pick out a couple of the 35 questions above and try to answer them.
Or are you too stupid? You think you are good at asking the
questions -- how about answering some.
Not that I expect anything from one who is a dumb as a post!
earle
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User: "Uncle Dollar Bill"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 28 Aug 2004 09:22:06 PM
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:39:36 GMT, Earle Jones wrote:
<snip>

Hey Bruiser! Yes you, you ignorant turd!

Pick out a couple of the 35 questions above and try to answer them.

Or are you too stupid? You think you are good at asking the
questions -- how about answering some.

Not that I expect anything from one who is a dumb as a post!

You're not going to believe this, but the corner lamp post at the end of my
street has just come knocking on my door and told me it has a bone to pick
with you....
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 28 Aug 2004 10:04:46 PM
In talk.atheism Uncle Dollar Bill <UncleDollarBill@spammenot.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:39:36 GMT, Earle Jones wrote:
<snip>

Hey Bruiser! Yes you, you ignorant turd!

Pick out a couple of the 35 questions above and try to answer them.

Or are you too stupid? You think you are good at asking the
questions -- how about answering some.

Not that I expect anything from one who is a dumb as a post!

You're not going to believe this, but the corner lamp post at the end of my
street has just come knocking on my door and told me it has a bone to pick
with you....

Hell, I don't blame it. If I was insulted as bad as that post just was, I'd
be in a homocidal rage!
--
Mike
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W ould
J enna
D rink?
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User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 11:06:18 AM
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"Atheist Bruiser" <AtheistBruiser@Intelligence.com> wrote in message =
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 11:37:59 AM
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:

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"Atheist Bruiser" <AtheistBruiser@Intelligence.com> wrote in message news:N9PWc.57$1f7.71690@news.uswest.net...
You think questions like, "Can God create a rock so big that He cannot lift it?" and, "Can God will Himself out of existence?"

What part of god doesn't exist do you have problems understanding?

What puzzles me is that they can't grasp the obvious: that we're
treating it as hypothetical, in an abstract logic exercise, pointing
out the paradoxes in what they insist on telling us. You get this sort
of thing with infinities. Which is what the omni-whatevers are.
We didn't invent these, they did.
But instead of acknowledging the peoblems they attack us for pointing
them out.

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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 08:18:43 PM
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:37:59 +0000 in episode
<oafpi0h8vnj3dj43mjsk6laseh69dk15l6@4ax.com> we saw our hero Christopher
A. Lee <calee@optonline.net>:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote:

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"Atheist Bruiser" <AtheistBruiser@Intelligence.com> wrote in message
news:N9PWc.57$1f7.71690@news.uswest.net... You think questions like,
"Can God create a rock so big that He cannot lift it?" and, "Can God
will Himself out of existence?"

What part of god doesn't exist do you have problems understanding?


What puzzles me is that they can't grasp the obvious: that we're treating
it as hypothetical, in an abstract logic exercise, pointing out the
paradoxes in what they insist on telling us.

People who just aren't very bright *are very literal minded. I'm not sure
he understands what it *means to think about things in the "abstract."
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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 11:10:59 AM
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bob.com> screamed out:

What part of god doesn't exist do you have problems understanding?

The part where you can prove that. A fair statement
would be to state that you do not believe that God
exists.
Of course... "The fool hath said in his heart, There
is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works, there is none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1
--
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They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
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User: "BMR"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 11:56:57 AM
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:beepi09rrpij6lvn7f1puf54s5cs6iuqcc@4ax.com...

The part where you can prove that. A fair statement
would be to state that you do not believe that God
exists.

Evidences, please.

Of course... "The fool hath said in his heart, There
is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works, there is none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1

If this is the "evidence"... sorry, but it seems just circular.
"Pastor"...
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User: "bob young"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 26 Aug 2004 12:14:28 AM
BMR wrote:

"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:beepi09rrpij6lvn7f1puf54s5cs6iuqcc@4ax.com...

The part where you can prove that. A fair statement
would be to state that you do not believe that God
exists.


Evidences, please.

Of course... "The fool hath said in his heart, There
is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works, there is none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1


If this is the "evidence"... sorry, but it seems just circular.
"Pastor"...

going round in circles is the result of trying to justify the existence
of mythology



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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 02:55:00 PM
While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:56:57 GMT, "BMR"
<blocktrap@alexamenos.com> screamed out:

"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:beepi09rrpij6lvn7f1puf54s5cs6iuqcc@4ax.com...

The part where you can prove that. A fair statement
would be to state that you do not believe that God
exists.


Evidences, please.

Ignoring Kathryn's statement, which is what I responded
to, will not help you.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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User: "Tom"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 12:54:00 PM
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beepi09rrpij6lvn7f1puf54s5cs6iuqcc@4ax.com...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bob.com> screamed out:


What part of god doesn't exist do you have problems understanding?


The part where you can prove that. A fair statement
would be to state that you do not believe that God
exists.

Of course... "The fool hath said in his heart, There
is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works, there is none that doeth good." - Psalm 14:1

Well "Pastor" Dave, that is true for the god and gods which haven't been
ascribed certain attributes and certain actions. For your god, the bible is
a condemnation of your god and a literal reading of the book has been shown,
by the scientific evidence, to be false.
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User: "Joe Blow"

Title: Re: Atheist irrationality litmus test #256 25 Aug 2004 06:17:10 PM
Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<beepi09rrpij6lvn7f1puf54s5cs6iuqcc@4ax.com>...

While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:06:18 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<bob@bob.com> screamed out:


What part of god doesn't exist do you have problems understanding?


The part where you can prove that. A fair statement
would be to state that you do not believe that God
exists.

<snip>
I thought you were against asking someone to prove a negative.
This is a classic example. In the interest of fairness, why
don't you just prove the existance of God?
Joe
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