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"Steve Dufour" |
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05 Oct 2007 10:59:09 PM |
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Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071005/NATION/110060001/1001
Atheist radio show begins tomorrow
October 5, 2007
By Kristi Moore - Beginning tomorrow, the 14 percent of Americans who
label themselves as nonreligious will be able to turn on the radio
once a week and hear a radio show that caters to their specific
beliefs, or lack thereof.
The first national broadcast of a Freethought Radio program will be
aired over Air America Radio out of Madison, Wis., with guests such as
Christopher Hitchens, author of the best-selling book "God Is Not
Great: How Religion Poisons Everything."
Mr. Hitchens will be aired tomorrow on XM Satellite channel 167 and
over WWRL-AM (1600) in New York City from 7 to 8 p.m., the show's
regularly scheduled time.
"Our radio show is one with heritage," said co-host Dan Barker. "We
vote, serve in the military and sit on juries."
Mr. Barker, who is co-president of the Freedom From Religion
Foundation along with Annie Laurie Gaylor, said atheists, agnostics
and nonreligious are "rejecting the illness" of religion.
"We don't need what religion provides," he said. "If salvation is a
cure, then atheism is a prevention."
The goal of the new atheist radio program is to serve "the rest of
us," he said. Mr. Barker pointed out that religious preaching can be
heard on the radio or television around the clock seven days a week
and that the free-thought radio show offers an alternative for one
hour every week.
"How often do nonreligious voices get heard?" he asked.
The show will include a regular segment called "Theocracy Alert,"
interviews and music.
Mr. Barker said future interviewees could include Ron Reagan, son of
former President Ronald Reagan.
Air America Radio is a radio network and program syndication service
that generally features discussion and information programs with hosts
reflecting liberal and progressive points of view.
Air America Radio filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 13, 2006, and
has experienced severe turnover in years past. Since filing for
bankruptcy, the network has come under the new ownership of SLG Radio
LLC, an entity controlled by Stephen L. Green.
"Air America is now going strong," Mr. Barker said.
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| User: "Rip" |
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| Title: Re: Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 11:11:48 AM |
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"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191643149.136345.120120@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071005/NATION/110060001/1001
Atheist radio show begins tomorrow
October 5, 2007
By Kristi Moore - Beginning tomorrow, the 14 percent of Americans
who
label themselves as nonreligious will be able to turn on the radio
once a week and hear a radio show that caters to their specific
beliefs, or lack thereof.
The first national broadcast of a Freethought Radio program will be
aired over Air America Radio out of Madison, Wis., with guests such
as
Christopher Hitchens, author of the best-selling book "God Is Not
Great: How Religion Poisons Everything."
Mr. Hitchens will be aired tomorrow on XM Satellite channel 167 and
over WWRL-AM (1600) in New York City from 7 to 8 p.m., the show's
regularly scheduled time.
"Our radio show is one with heritage," said co-host Dan Barker. "We
vote, serve in the military and sit on juries."
Mr. Barker, who is co-president of the Freedom From Religion
Foundation along with Annie Laurie Gaylor, said atheists, agnostics
and nonreligious are "rejecting the illness" of religion.
"We don't need what religion provides," he said. "If salvation is a
cure, then atheism is a prevention."
The goal of the new atheist radio program is to serve "the rest of
us," he said. Mr. Barker pointed out that religious preaching can be
heard on the radio or television around the clock seven days a week
and that the free-thought radio show offers an alternative for one
hour every week.
"How often do nonreligious voices get heard?" he asked.
The show will include a regular segment called "Theocracy Alert,"
interviews and music.
Mr. Barker said future interviewees could include Ron Reagan, son of
former President Ronald Reagan.
Air America Radio is a radio network and program syndication service
that generally features discussion and information programs with
hosts
reflecting liberal and progressive points of view.
Air America Radio filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 13, 2006, and
has experienced severe turnover in years past. Since filing for
bankruptcy, the network has come under the new ownership of SLG
Radio
LLC, an entity controlled by Stephen L. Green.
"Air America is now going strong," Mr. Barker said.
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
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| User: "grinder" |
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08 Oct 2007 01:49:52 PM |
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"Rip" <fake@fake.com> wrote in message
news:atONi.460$sm6.190@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191643149.136345.120120@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071005/NATION/110060001/1001
Atheist radio show begins tomorrow
October 5, 2007
By Kristi Moore - Beginning tomorrow, the 14 percent of Americans who
label themselves as nonreligious will be able to turn on the radio
once a week and hear a radio show that caters to their specific
beliefs, or lack thereof.
The first national broadcast of a Freethought Radio program will be
aired over Air America Radio out of Madison, Wis., with guests such as
Christopher Hitchens, author of the best-selling book "God Is Not
Great: How Religion Poisons Everything."
Mr. Hitchens will be aired tomorrow on XM Satellite channel 167 and
over WWRL-AM (1600) in New York City from 7 to 8 p.m., the show's
regularly scheduled time.
"Our radio show is one with heritage," said co-host Dan Barker. "We
vote, serve in the military and sit on juries."
Mr. Barker, who is co-president of the Freedom From Religion
Foundation along with Annie Laurie Gaylor, said atheists, agnostics
and nonreligious are "rejecting the illness" of religion.
"We don't need what religion provides," he said. "If salvation is a
cure, then atheism is a prevention."
The goal of the new atheist radio program is to serve "the rest of
us," he said. Mr. Barker pointed out that religious preaching can be
heard on the radio or television around the clock seven days a week
and that the free-thought radio show offers an alternative for one
hour every week.
"How often do nonreligious voices get heard?" he asked.
The show will include a regular segment called "Theocracy Alert,"
interviews and music.
Mr. Barker said future interviewees could include Ron Reagan, son of
former President Ronald Reagan.
Air America Radio is a radio network and program syndication service
that generally features discussion and information programs with hosts
reflecting liberal and progressive points of view.
Air America Radio filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 13, 2006, and
has experienced severe turnover in years past. Since filing for
bankruptcy, the network has come under the new ownership of SLG Radio
LLC, an entity controlled by Stephen L. Green.
"Air America is now going strong," Mr. Barker said.
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
I don't know what the need is for a radio station or clothing that proclaims
one an atheist.
Just as I don't listen to programs that promote the idea that the earth is
flat or wear jewelry that says I believe in the holocaust, I don't see the
need to proclaim I am an atheist..
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| User: "DK" |
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06 Oct 2007 10:58:25 PM |
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"Rip" <fake@fake.com> wrote:
"Steve Dufour" <stevejdufour@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191643149.136345.120120@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071005/NATION/11006000
1/1001
Atheist radio show begins tomorrow
October 5, 2007
By Kristi Moore - Beginning tomorrow, the 14 percent of Americans
who
label themselves as nonreligious will be able to turn on the radio
once a week and hear a radio show that caters to their specific
beliefs, or lack thereof.
The first national broadcast of a Freethought Radio program will be
aired over Air America Radio out of Madison, Wis., with guests such
as
Christopher Hitchens, author of the best-selling book "God Is Not
Great: How Religion Poisons Everything."
Mr. Hitchens will be aired tomorrow on XM Satellite channel 167 and
over WWRL-AM (1600) in New York City from 7 to 8 p.m., the show's
regularly scheduled time.
"Our radio show is one with heritage," said co-host Dan Barker. "We
vote, serve in the military and sit on juries."
Mr. Barker, who is co-president of the Freedom From Religion
Foundation along with Annie Laurie Gaylor, said atheists, agnostics
and nonreligious are "rejecting the illness" of religion.
"We don't need what religion provides," he said. "If salvation is a
cure, then atheism is a prevention."
The goal of the new atheist radio program is to serve "the rest of
us," he said. Mr. Barker pointed out that religious preaching can be
heard on the radio or television around the clock seven days a week
and that the free-thought radio show offers an alternative for one
hour every week.
"How often do nonreligious voices get heard?" he asked.
The show will include a regular segment called "Theocracy Alert,"
interviews and music.
Mr. Barker said future interviewees could include Ron Reagan, son of
former President Ronald Reagan.
Air America Radio is a radio network and program syndication service
that generally features discussion and information programs with
hosts
reflecting liberal and progressive points of view.
Air America Radio filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 13, 2006, and
has experienced severe turnover in years past. Since filing for
bankruptcy, the network has come under the new ownership of SLG
Radio
LLC, an entity controlled by Stephen L. Green.
"Air America is now going strong," Mr. Barker said.
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
Since it's local to me, I've been listening to it since inception.
It really is very good and Dan is an incredibly sharp guy.
Their biggest problem (at least I see it as a problem; they
probably don't) is preaching to the choir 99 percent of the time.
DK
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| User: "Occidental" |
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07 Oct 2007 07:35:38 PM |
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On Oct 6, 11:58 pm, (DK) wrote:
"Rip" <f...@fake.com> wrote:
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
Since it's local to me, I've been listening to [Air America] since inception.
It really is very good and Dan is an incredibly sharp guy.
Their biggest problem (at least I see it as a problem; they
probably don't) is preaching to the choir 99 percent of the time.
DK
Actually, this appears to be their biggest problem:
QUOTE
Bankruptcy filing under Chapter 11
On October 13, 2006, Air America filed for protection from creditors,
i.e. bankruptcy, under chapter 11, at the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for
the Southern District of New York.[11] Air America continued
broadcasting while the finances were worked out with the creditors.
The company had US$4,331,265.30 in assets and US$20,266,056.23 in
liabilities. Al Franken alone was owed US$360,749.98 and Rob Glaser,
founder of Real Networks, was owed the most at US$9.8 million. The
filing had over 25 pages of creditors and shows the company lost US
$9.1 million in 2004, US$19.6 million in 2005 and an additional US
$13.1 million by mid-October in 2006.[12][13]
END QUOTE
wiki
....combined with this:
According to:
http://www.airamerica.com/stations
AA is broadcast on 63 stations; according to this:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/rush.guest.all.html
Limbaugh is carried on about 600.
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| User: "DK" |
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08 Oct 2007 05:44:09 AM |
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Occidental <Occidental@comcast.net> wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:58 pm, (DK) wrote:
"Rip" <f...@fake.com> wrote:
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
Since it's local to me, I've been listening to [Air America] since inception.
It really is very good and Dan is an incredibly sharp guy.
Their biggest problem (at least I see it as a problem; they
probably don't) is preaching to the choir 99 percent of the time.
DK
Actually, this appears to be their biggest problem:
QUOTE
Bankruptcy filing under Chapter 11
On October 13, 2006, Air America filed for protection from creditors,
i.e. bankruptcy, under chapter 11, at the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for
the Southern District of New York.
Actually, I was talking about Freethought Radio, so your inserting
"[Air America]" above is incorrect.
Freethought Radio is doing fine although I suspect it is not a
money maker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought_Radio
http://www.freethoughtradio.com/
DK
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| User: "Occidental" |
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08 Oct 2007 11:27:03 AM |
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On Oct 8, 6:44 am, (DK) wrote:
Occidental <Occiden...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:58 pm, (DK) wrote:
"Rip" <f...@fake.com> wrote:
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
Since it's local to me, I've been listening to [Air America] since inception.
It really is very good and Dan is an incredibly sharp guy.
Their biggest problem (at least I see it as a problem; they
probably don't) is preaching to the choir 99 percent of the time.
DK
Actually, this appears to be their biggest problem:
QUOTE
Bankruptcy filing under Chapter 11
On October 13, 2006, Air America filed for protection from creditors,
i.e. bankruptcy, under chapter 11, at the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for
the Southern District of New York.
Actually, I was talking about Freethought Radio, so your inserting
"[Air America]" above is incorrect.
Sorry. The succession of posts made it look as though you were talking
about AA. Come to think of it, AA is a bit unsophisticated for you.
Freethought Radio is doing fine although I suspect it is not a
money maker.
....because there is no church of atheism, no rituals associated with
it, no holy book. Atheists don't need to get together once a week to
affirm their beliefs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought_Radiohttp://www.freethoughtradio.com/
DK
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| User: "Paul Hovnanian P.E." |
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07 Oct 2007 11:47:36 PM |
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Occidental wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:58 pm, (DK) wrote:
"Rip" <f...@fake.com> wrote:
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
Since it's local to me, I've been listening to [Air America] since inception.
It really is very good and Dan is an incredibly sharp guy.
Their biggest problem (at least I see it as a problem; they
probably don't) is preaching to the choir 99 percent of the time.
DK
Actually, this appears to be their biggest problem:
QUOTE
Bankruptcy filing under Chapter 11
On October 13, 2006, Air America filed for protection from creditors,
i.e. bankruptcy, under chapter 11, at the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for
the Southern District of New York.[11] Air America continued
broadcasting while the finances were worked out with the creditors.
The company had US$4,331,265.30 in assets and US$20,266,056.23 in
liabilities. Al Franken alone was owed US$360,749.98 and Rob Glaser,
founder of Real Networks, was owed the most at US$9.8 million. The
filing had over 25 pages of creditors and shows the company lost US
$9.1 million in 2004, US$19.6 million in 2005 and an additional US
$13.1 million by mid-October in 2006.[12][13]
END QUOTE
wiki
...combined with this:
According to:
http://www.airamerica.com/stations
AA is broadcast on 63 stations; according to this:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/rush.guest.all.html
Limbaugh is carried on about 600.
Moral of the story: You'll make more money preaching to the gullible
than to skeptics. Advertisers (and P.T. Barnum) understand this pretty
well.
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com
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The world is coming to an end ... SAVE YOUR BUFFERS!!!
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| User: "Steve Dufour" |
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08 Oct 2007 04:39:57 AM |
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Moral of the story: You'll make more money preaching to the gullible
than to skeptics. Advertisers (and P.T. Barnum) understand this pretty
well.
This is a very good point. I am a Christian and a conservative, BTW.
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| User: "David Thuleen" |
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06 Oct 2007 02:24:49 PM |
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In article <atONi.460$sm6.190@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, Rip
<fake@fake.com> wrote:
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
If "S. CA." means Southern California, be aware that the Air America
Radio webiste,
http://www.airamerica.com/stations
lists the following stations:
Fresno, CA - KFPT-AM 790 AM
Los Angeles, CA - KTLK-AM 1150 AM
Palm Springs, CA - KPTR-AM 1340 AM
San Diego, CA - KLSD-AM 1360 AM
San Luis Obispo, CA - KYNS-AM 1340 AM
Santa Barbara, CA - KIST-AM 1340 AM
Victor Valley, CA - KSZL-AM 1230 AM
--
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Dave Thuleen
Escondido, California
"You could give Aristotle a tutorial. And you could thrill him to the core of
his being ... Such is the privilege of living after Newton, Darwin, Einstein,
Planck, Watson, Crick and their colleagues."
"'Offense' is what people take when they can't take an argument."
-- Richard Dawkins http://tinyurl.com/yrkhxh
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/
"We do not respect people's beliefs; we evaluate their reasons. If my reasons
are good enough, you will helplessly believe what I believe. That is what it
is to be a rational human being. Reasons are contagious."
-- Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith http://www.samharris.org/
Click to watch these video links:
Dan Dennett talks with Bill Moyers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0igcpDynvU
Richard Dawkins address at the University of Kansas:
http://tinyurl.com/26u9l4
Sam Harris address at the Society for Ethical Culture, New York City
http://tinyurl.com/38myhh
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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08 Oct 2007 08:03:06 AM |
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In article <061020071224492493%dthuleen@cts.com>, David Thuleen
<dthuleen@cts.com> wrote:
In article <atONi.460$sm6.190@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>, Rip
<fake@fake.com> wrote:
I wish them luck. Too bad I can't receive it (S. CA.)
If "S. CA." means Southern California, be aware that the Air America
Radio webiste,
http://www.airamerica.com/stations
lists the following stations:
Fresno, CA - KFPT-AM 790 AM
Los Angeles, CA - KTLK-AM 1150 AM
Palm Springs, CA - KPTR-AM 1340 AM
San Diego, CA - KLSD-AM 1360 AM
San Luis Obispo, CA - KYNS-AM 1340 AM
Santa Barbara, CA - KIST-AM 1340 AM
Victor Valley, CA - KSZL-AM 1230 AM
Many thanks. I'm in Santa Barbara.
-chib
--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Rushtown" |
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| Title: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 12:22:59 AM |
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Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Steve Dufour wrote:
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071005/NATION/110060001/1001
Atheist radio show begins tomorrow
October 5, 2007
By Kristi Moore - Beginning tomorrow, the 14 percent of Americans who
label themselves as nonreligious will be able to turn on the radio
once a week and hear a radio show that caters to their specific
beliefs, or lack thereof.
The first national broadcast of a Freethought Radio program will be
aired over Air America Radio out of Madison, Wis., with guests such as
Christopher Hitchens, author of the best-selling book "God Is Not
Great: How Religion Poisons Everything."
Mr. Hitchens will be aired tomorrow on XM Satellite channel 167 and
over WWRL-AM (1600) in New York City from 7 to 8 p.m., the show's
regularly scheduled time.
"Our radio show is one with heritage," said co-host Dan Barker. "We
vote, serve in the military and sit on juries."
Mr. Barker, who is co-president of the Freedom From Religion
Foundation along with Annie Laurie Gaylor, said atheists, agnostics
and nonreligious are "rejecting the illness" of religion.
"We don't need what religion provides," he said. "If salvation is a
cure, then atheism is a prevention."
The goal of the new atheist radio program is to serve "the rest of
us," he said. Mr. Barker pointed out that religious preaching can be
heard on the radio or television around the clock seven days a week
and that the free-thought radio show offers an alternative for one
hour every week.
"How often do nonreligious voices get heard?" he asked.
The show will include a regular segment called "Theocracy Alert,"
interviews and music.
Mr. Barker said future interviewees could include Ron Reagan, son of
former President Ronald Reagan.
Air America Radio is a radio network and program syndication service
that generally features discussion and information programs with hosts
reflecting liberal and progressive points of view.
Air America Radio filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 13, 2006, and
has experienced severe turnover in years past. Since filing for
bankruptcy, the network has come under the new ownership of SLG Radio
LLC, an entity controlled by Stephen L. Green.
"Air America is now going strong," Mr. Barker said.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 12:53:32 AM |
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"Rushtown" <Rushtown@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191648179.202497.60370@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
Equivocation. Unsupported assertion. Burden shifting.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 01:03:02 AM |
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"Rushtown" <Rushtown@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191648179.202497.60370@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god exists,
I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own state of
belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "grinder" |
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06 Oct 2007 10:44:18 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:Uq6dnTMCF8-TuJranZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@io.com...
"Rushtown" <Rushtown@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191648179.202497.60370@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own
state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune? Ra?
etc. etc. etc. etc.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
07 Oct 2007 08:57:06 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:13gfbacne699945@corp.supernews.com...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:Uq6dnTMCF8-TuJranZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@io.com...
"Rushtown" <Rushtown@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1191648179.202497.60370@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own
state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune? Ra?
etc. etc. etc. etc.
Irrelevant. Any or all of them will do.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Good. You're an atheist.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own
state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune? Ra?
etc. etc. etc. etc.
Irrelevant. Any or all of them will do.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Good. You're an atheist.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
And neither one of us will be surprised the second after death. Because we
will be DEAD!!!!
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
08 Oct 2007 08:26:47 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your
own state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune?
Ra? etc. etc. etc. etc.
Irrelevant. Any or all of them will do.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Good. You're an atheist.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
And neither one of us will be surprised the second after death. Because
we will be DEAD!!!!
Well, technically there's no reason an atheist can't believe in an
afterlife. I think we need to test your claim.
You first!
;-)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "grinder" |
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09 Oct 2007 09:51:01 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your
own state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune?
Ra? etc. etc. etc. etc.
Irrelevant. Any or all of them will do.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Good. You're an atheist.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
And neither one of us will be surprised the second after death. Because
we will be DEAD!!!!
Well, technically there's no reason an atheist can't believe in an
afterlife. I think we need to test your claim.
You first!
An atheist does not believe in an afterlife. Period. And the claim is just
as untestable as the other argument. The difference is one is based on
reason and the other on faith.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
09 Oct 2007 10:31:36 AM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only
reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not
only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your
own state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune?
Ra? etc. etc. etc. etc.
Irrelevant. Any or all of them will do.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Good. You're an atheist.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
And neither one of us will be surprised the second after death. Because
we will be DEAD!!!!
Well, technically there's no reason an atheist can't believe in an
afterlife. I think we need to test your claim.
You first!
An atheist does not believe in an afterlife. Period.
Cite? I think you're completely wrong on this one. Atheism is a disbelief in
god(s). It says nothing about an afterlife.
And the claim is just as untestable as the other argument.
Irrelevant. Atheism is disbelief in god(s), not afterlifes.
The difference is one is based on reason and the other on faith.
I'll grant you that.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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10 Oct 2007 12:07:03 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, wit=
hout
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only=20
reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not=
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only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve=
the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a g=
od=20
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know y=
our=20
own state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--=20
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptu=
ne?=20
Ra? etc. etc. etc. etc.
Irrelevant. Any or all of them will do.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Good. You're an atheist.
--=20
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
And neither one of us will be surprised the second after death. Bec=
ause=20
we will be DEAD!!!!
Well, technically there's no reason an atheist can't believe in an=20
afterlife. I think we need to test your claim.
You first!
An atheist does not believe in an afterlife. Period.
=20
Cite? I think you're completely wrong on this one. Atheism is a disbeli=
ef in=20
god(s). It says nothing about an afterlife.
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And the claim is just as untestable as the other argument.
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Irrelevant. Atheism is disbelief in god(s), not afterlifes.
AFAIK Buddhists can be considered atheists ..... and they certainly have =
some beliefs based on life after death ....... at least some of them do=20
=2E......
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The difference is one is based on reason and the other on faith.
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I'll grant you that.
PS love your stuff on Non-Prophets ..... you guys are fast becoming my=20
favourite Podcast .....
--=20
MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity=20
=2E............ and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
Does Schr=F6dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
10 Oct 2007 03:29:04 AM |
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:51:01 -0700, "grinder"
<seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Rushtown" <Rushtown@aol.com> wrote in message
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Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your
own state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune?
Ra? etc. etc. etc. etc.
Irrelevant. Any or all of them will do.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Good. You're an atheist.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
And neither one of us will be surprised the second after death. Because
we will be DEAD!!!!
Well, technically there's no reason an atheist can't believe in an
afterlife. I think we need to test your claim.
You first!
An atheist does not believe in an afterlife. Period. And the claim is just
as untestable as the other argument. The difference is one is based on
reason and the other on faith.
Arrogant little *****, aren't you?
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| User: "never@million" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 11:04:49 AM |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:44:18 -0700, "grinder"
<seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own
state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune? Ra?
etc. etc. etc. etc.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Ra wasn't to bad. ;)
DCI
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| User: "Miriam Cohen" |
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06 Oct 2007 09:02:00 PM |
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never@million wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:44:18 -0700, "grinder"
<seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own
state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune? Ra?
etc. etc. etc. etc.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Ra wasn't to bad. ;)
The one in Stargate was. :)
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| User: "never@million" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 10:03:33 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:02:00 -0700, Miriam Cohen
<fcpnNOmimSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
never@million wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:44:18 -0700, "grinder"
<seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists, I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own
state of belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
Which God? Odin? Isis? Abraham? Mohammad? Thor? Zeus? Hera? Neptune? Ra?
etc. etc. etc. etc.
My anwer to all of the above is no.
Ra wasn't to bad. ;)
The one in Stargate was. :)
:D
DCI
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| User: "Rushtown" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 10:46:28 AM |
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On Oct 5, 11:03?pm, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:
"Rushtown" <Rusht...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Atheists should be labeled "believers" also----they believe, without
evidence, that there is no intelligence behind the form of the
universe.
No. Saying "I don't believe you" is not a belief.
Now, the odds are that they are correct. However the only reasonable
position is that of the Agnostics who (correctly) state that not only
do they not know, but nobody else knows. Only Agnostics deserve the
proud title of "non-believers".
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god exists,
I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own state of
belief concerning the existence of gods.)
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.comhttp://www.io.com/~dloubethttp://www.ashenempires.com
I don't know, I am ignorant, eh, er, agnostic. (I wish we had a
litany, and a Priesthood and a winter solstice, and some hymns---like
that Beatles song, what was it?)
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| User: "never@million" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 01:15:00 AM |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:03:02 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god exists,
I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own state of
belief concerning the existence of gods.)
The answer: who knows?
DCI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 10:48:16 AM |
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<never@million> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:03:02 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists,
I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own state of
belief concerning the existence of gods.)
The answer: who knows?
He knows. He knows his state of belief. That's what I'm asking about.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "never@million" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 11:05:53 AM |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:48:16 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
<never@million> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:03:02 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists,
I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own state of
belief concerning the existence of gods.)
The answer: who knows?
He knows. He knows his state of belief. That's what I'm asking about.
I am not convinced that is the case.
DCI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
06 Oct 2007 05:32:15 PM |
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<never@million> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:48:16 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
<never@million> wrote in message
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:03:02 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god
exists,
I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own state
of
belief concerning the existence of gods.)
The answer: who knows?
He knows. He knows his state of belief. That's what I'm asking about.
I am not convinced that is the case.
Well, if he doesn't know his own state of belief, then no one does.
But basically, if he can't answer yes, then his answer is no.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| Title: Re: Only "Agnostics" are non believers, was Atheist radio show begins tomorrow |
08 Oct 2007 03:03:13 PM |
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On 6 Okt., 08:15, never@million wrote:
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 00:03:02 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com>
wrote:
Do you believe a god exists? (Please note: I am not asking if a god exists,
I'm asking if you believe a god exists. Surely you know your own state of
belief concerning the existence of gods.)
The answer: who knows?
DCI
You do of course.
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