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Religions > Atheism |
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"Gactimus" |
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06 Jan 2005 08:33:41 PM |
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Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
A search of http://www.infidels.org shows...
4280 articles with the word "Jesus".
3410 articles with the word "Christ".
583 articles with the word "resurrection".
223 articles with the word "apostle".
211 articles with the word "Noah".
197 articles with the word "Trinity".
194 articles with the word "Josephus".
It seems like all you infidels do is obsess about Christianity.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
15 Jan 2005 04:33:12 AM |
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wrote:
bob young wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Atheists have no common sense. They're the only people I know that
organize
over a "lack of belief".
and I guess religions are not organisations?
........they are nothing but that - clubs, man is a clubbish animal
.....he needs his 'group' and he needs his 'leader' . Why?
[speculation snipped]
Multiply this by all the settlements experiencing similar disasters
over
thousands of years, how easy must it have been, when travelers
carried these
stories from settlement to settlement, that the race was on to create
the most
agreeable and satisfying deity for the good of all.
[Not forgetting free food for the leaders and 'for the ones who
speak with the
gods'].
This is indeed how the religious position of atheists evolves --
convenience, leading to irrational conformity of whatever values and
ideas are fashionable at the time. Christians, on the other hand,
believe in something that can be defined.
That little story obviously hit home judging my your response. i hope you
learned a 'thing or two'
have a good day
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
15 Jan 2005 10:13:24 AM |
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bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
This is indeed how the religious position of atheists evolves --
convenience, leading to irrational conformity of whatever values
and
ideas are fashionable at the time. Christians, on the other hand,
believe in something that can be defined.
That little story obviously hit home judging my your response. i
hope you
learned a 'thing or two'
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
15 Jan 2005 08:59:55 PM |
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<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1105805604.522887.315420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
This is indeed how the religious position of atheists evolves --
convenience, leading to irrational conformity of whatever values
and
ideas are fashionable at the time. Christians, on the other hand,
believe in something that can be defined.
That little story obviously hit home judging my your response. i
hope you
learned a 'thing or two'
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Yes, may heaven forbid Roger Pearse from learning, after all he knows all
there is to know and if you don't believe that you can ask him!!
Sorry hypocrite...
All the best to you,
Tom
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
16 Jan 2005 05:45:13 PM |
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wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You hate your own family. You have no right to tell anyone about
values.
Luke 14:26
"If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and
wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life
also, he cannot be my disciple."
--Billy
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
15 Jan 2005 11:19:58 PM |
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wrote:
bob young wrote:
wrote:
This is indeed how the religious position of atheists evolves --
convenience, leading to irrational conformity of whatever values
and
ideas are fashionable at the time. Christians, on the other hand,
believe in something that can be defined.
That little story obviously hit home judging my your response. i
hope you
learned a 'thing or two'
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise them.
..........is this what you call Christian love?
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "" |
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18 Jan 2005 08:30:12 AM |
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bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
18 Jan 2005 10:07:46 AM |
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<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
18 Jan 2005 10:53:32 PM |
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Tom wrote:
<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
It is a fact that some of us feel sorry for religionists knowing their
frustration in trying to substantiate their myth. This so often results in
name calling and so much deviation.
Frankly the Internet is Religions greatest challenge providing as it does a
forum for all to air their views without fear of having a brick thrown at them.
The closest I remember is Speakers Corner in London where anyone can get up and
spout, if he has the stamina to handle the barracking from the crowd. Now this
small crowd, thanks to The Internet, runs into millions.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "Sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
28 Jan 2005 04:31:41 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41EDE7CC.20760E58@netvigator.com...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are obsessed
with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and lose sight of
their individuality. (For instance look to the occasional mass suicides
committed in cults.)
Tom wrote:
<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his
values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing
his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too
bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his
method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
It is a fact that some of us feel sorry for religionists knowing their
frustration in trying to substantiate their myth. This so often results
in
name calling and so much deviation.
Frankly the Internet is Religions greatest challenge providing as it does
a
forum for all to air their views without fear of having a brick thrown at
them.
The closest I remember is Speakers Corner in London where anyone can get
up and
spout, if he has the stamina to handle the barracking from the crowd. Now
this
small crowd, thanks to The Internet, runs into millions.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "Dan Wilson" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
30 Jan 2005 01:03:24 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106951507.6a824f782e89f99281a2eb470b7db704@teranews...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41EDE7CC.20760E58@netvigator.com...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are obsessed
with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and lose sight of
their individuality. (For instance look to the occasional mass suicides
committed in cults.)
Only one that I recall that was the Jim Jones cult. But I'm not certain
that he did not set himself up as God. It seems he did as I recall and
he and his _followers_ left the Presbyterian Church. Anyone have
any info on this?
..
Tom wrote:
<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if
you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his
values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing
his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too
bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his
method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
It is a fact that some of us feel sorry for religionists knowing their
frustration in trying to substantiate their myth. This so often results
in
name calling and so much deviation.
Frankly the Internet is Religions greatest challenge providing as it does
a
forum for all to air their views without fear of having a brick thrown at
them.
The closest I remember is Speakers Corner in London where anyone can get
up and
spout, if he has the stamina to handle the barracking from the crowd.
Now this
small crowd, thanks to The Internet, runs into millions.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "Seppo Pietikainen" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
30 Jan 2005 11:54:44 PM |
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Dan Wilson wrote:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106951507.6a824f782e89f99281a2eb470b7db704@teranews...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41EDE7CC.20760E58@netvigator.com...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are obsessed
with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and lose sight of
their individuality. (For instance look to the occasional mass suicides
committed in cults.)
Only one that I recall that was the Jim Jones cult. But I'm not certain
that he did not set himself up as God. It seems he did as I recall and
he and his _followers_ left the Presbyterian Church. Anyone have
any info on this?
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Add Koresh to the list.
Seppo P.
<snip>
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
31 Jan 2005 01:18:33 AM |
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Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Dan Wilson wrote:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106951507.6a824f782e89f99281a2eb470b7db704@teranews...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41EDE7CC.20760E58@netvigator.com...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are
obsessed with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and
lose sight of their individuality. (For instance look to the
occasional mass suicides committed in cults.)
Only one that I recall that was the Jim Jones cult. But I'm not certain
that he did not set himself up as God. It seems he did as I recall and
he and his _followers_ left the Presbyterian Church. Anyone have
any info on this?
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Add Koresh to the list.
Seppo P.
<snip>
Add Sun Myung Moon. He believes himself to be the reincarnation of
Jesus of Nazareth.
On a similar note:
The leader of the murderous Ugandan Christian cult, Movement for the
Restoration of the Ten Commandments, claims routinely to talk with Jesus
and Mary. See
http://www.rickross.com/reference/tencommandments/tencommandments25.html
Or "God's Salvation Church, which may be a murderous cult, whose leader
claims to be the father of god:
http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/cults1.html
HTH
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| User: "John Baker" |
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31 Jan 2005 04:18:20 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:18:33 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote:
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Dan Wilson wrote:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106951507.6a824f782e89f99281a2eb470b7db704@teranews...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41EDE7CC.20760E58@netvigator.com...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are
obsessed with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and
lose sight of their individuality. (For instance look to the
occasional mass suicides committed in cults.)
Only one that I recall that was the Jim Jones cult. But I'm not certain
that he did not set himself up as God. It seems he did as I recall and
he and his _followers_ left the Presbyterian Church. Anyone have
any info on this?
.
Add Koresh to the list.
Seppo P.
<snip>
Add Sun Myung Moon. He believes himself to be the reincarnation of
Jesus of Nazareth.
I rather doubt Moon actually believes that. But he certainly wants his
followers to believe it.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
31 Jan 2005 06:07:27 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:18:33 GMT, cactus
<baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote:
Seppo Pietikainen wrote:
Dan Wilson wrote:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106951507.6a824f782e89f99281a2eb470b7db704@teranews...
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41EDE7CC.20760E58@netvigator.com...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are
obsessed with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and
lose sight of their individuality. (For instance look to the
occasional mass suicides committed in cults.)
Only one that I recall that was the Jim Jones cult. But I'm not certain
that he did not set himself up as God. It seems he did as I recall and
he and his _followers_ left the Presbyterian Church. Anyone have
any info on this?
.
Add Koresh to the list.
Seppo P.
<snip>
Add Sun Myung Moon. He believes himself to be the reincarnation of
Jesus of Nazareth.
I rather doubt Moon actually believes that. But he certainly wants his
followers to believe it.
dunno. Effect is the same as long as the followers believe it. But
there is very likely some self-delusion involved.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:17:58 AM |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:03:24 -0500, "Dan Wilson"
<willy224@bellsouth.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106951507.6a824f782e89f99281a2eb470b7db704@teranews...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are obsessed
with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and lose sight of
their individuality. (For instance look to the occasional mass suicides
committed in cults.)
Only one that I recall that was the Jim Jones cult.
Heaven's Gate?
--
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Sam" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:24:25 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:03:24 -0500, "Dan Wilson"
<willy224@bellsouth.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1106951507.6a824f782e89f99281a2eb470b7db704@teranews...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are obsessed
with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and lose sight of
their individuality. (For instance look to the occasional mass suicides
committed in cults.)
Only one that I recall that was the Jim Jones cult.
Heaven's Gate?
chrisitan scientists
--
Sam
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| User: "Sam" |
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28 Jan 2005 05:39:02 PM |
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Sharon wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:41EDE7CC.20760E58@netvigator.com...
What's interesting with this thread, is that most Christians are obsessed
with Christianity and some become addicts to religion and lose sight of
their individuality. (For instance look to the occasional mass suicides
committed in cults.)
i think those suicides are from boredom
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
19 Jan 2005 12:31:47 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Tom wrote:
<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
It is a fact that some of us feel sorry for religionists knowing their
frustration in trying to substantiate their myth. This so often results in
name calling and so much deviation.
Frankly the Internet is Religions greatest challenge providing as it does a
forum for all to air their views without fear of having a brick thrown at them.
The closest I remember is Speakers Corner in London where anyone can get up and
spout, if he has the stamina to handle the barracking from the crowd. Now this
small crowd, thanks to The Internet, runs into millions.
But there is more to spirituality than that. For those who can
distinguish myth from literal truth and remain within the tradition,
there is great wisdom and deep mystical truths which are worthy of
contemplation. These are the means of uniting with the godhead,
something shared at the most essential level by most of the great
religions of the world.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "bob young" |
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19 Jan 2005 06:54:15 AM |
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cactus wrote:
bob young wrote:
Tom wrote:
<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
It is a fact that some of us feel sorry for religionists knowing their
frustration in trying to substantiate their myth. This so often results in
name calling and so much deviation.
Frankly the Internet is Religions greatest challenge providing as it does a
forum for all to air their views without fear of having a brick thrown at them.
The closest I remember is Speakers Corner in London where anyone can get up and
spout, if he has the stamina to handle the barracking from the crowd. Now this
small crowd, thanks to The Internet, runs into millions.
But there is more to spirituality than that. For those who can
distinguish myth from literal truth and remain within the tradition,
there is great wisdom and deep mystical truths which are worthy of
contemplation. These are the means of uniting with the godhead,
something shared at the most essential level by most of the great
religions of the world.
It is not hard to accept humans have special brains, some say freak brains stemming
from a evolutionary hiccup, a bit like the giraffes neck - a similar thing. So we
are capable of imagining gods and all their trappings. At least some of us are.
Many others in fact the large majority, are imbibed from birth, which is totally
wrong. Children should be free and not be forced or cajoled into following their
parents myths
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
19 Jan 2005 11:26:05 AM |
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bob young wrote:
cactus wrote:
bob young wrote:
Tom wrote:
<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
It is a fact that some of us feel sorry for religionists knowing their
frustration in trying to substantiate their myth. This so often results in
name calling and so much deviation.
Frankly the Internet is Religions greatest challenge providing as it does a
forum for all to air their views without fear of having a brick thrown at them.
The closest I remember is Speakers Corner in London where anyone can get up and
spout, if he has the stamina to handle the barracking from the crowd. Now this
small crowd, thanks to The Internet, runs into millions.
But there is more to spirituality than that. For those who can
distinguish myth from literal truth and remain within the tradition,
there is great wisdom and deep mystical truths which are worthy of
contemplation. These are the means of uniting with the godhead,
something shared at the most essential level by most of the great
religions of the world.
It is not hard to accept humans have special brains, some say freak brains stemming
from a evolutionary hiccup, a bit like the giraffes neck - a similar thing. So we
are capable of imagining gods and all their trappings. At least some of us are.
Many others in fact the large majority, are imbibed from birth, which is totally
wrong. Children should be free and not be forced or cajoled into following their
parents myths
We all need myth and we all need metaphor - in fact we use metaphor in
all we do - it's part of language.
By passing these on to our children we preclude the need to reinvent the
wheel with every generation.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
19 Jan 2005 09:10:30 PM |
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cactus wrote:
bob young wrote:
cactus wrote:
bob young wrote:
Tom wrote:
<roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1106058612.212233.15840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
bob young wrote:
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not
open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You buffoon, you have no idea what my values are, yet you criticise
them.
Whatever they are -- and I live in this society too, remember -- if you
can't make a rational case for them, then that is more damning than
anything I might say.
Roger, Roger...how lame. It isn't that he can't make a case for his values,
that wasn't the point in question. He just told you that by not knowing his
values you couldn't criticize them. Damn Roger, you're just not too bright,
are you?
.........is this what you call Christian love?
Abuse noted.
Roger again shows that he hasn't a clue as to abuse. This is just his method
of deflecting attention away from the fact that he can't answer the
question.
It is a fact that some of us feel sorry for religionists knowing their
frustration in trying to substantiate their myth. This so often results in
name calling and so much deviation.
Frankly the Internet is Religions greatest challenge providing as it does a
forum for all to air their views without fear of having a brick thrown at them.
The closest I remember is Speakers Corner in London where anyone can get up and
spout, if he has the stamina to handle the barracking from the crowd. Now this
small crowd, thanks to The Internet, runs into millions.
But there is more to spirituality than that. For those who can
distinguish myth from literal truth and remain within the tradition,
there is great wisdom and deep mystical truths which are worthy of
contemplation. These are the means of uniting with the godhead,
something shared at the most essential level by most of the great
religions of the world.
It is not hard to accept humans have special brains, some say freak brains stemming
from a evolutionary hiccup, a bit like the giraffes neck - a similar thing. So we
are capable of imagining gods and all their trappings. At least some of us are.
Many others in fact the large majority, are imbibed from birth, which is totally
wrong. Children should be free and not be forced or cajoled into following their
parents myths
We all need myth and we all need metaphor - in fact we use metaphor in
all we do - it's part of language.
By passing these on to our children we preclude the need to reinvent the
wheel with every generation.
The first wheel has not been invented yet, only imagined, and I'm not going to fly on an
imaginery airliner, any where, any time!
Right now there are 1.1 billion in China with no religious leanings and they are doing
alright, about to become, as many predict, the success story of this region the very
near future.
So when the Chinese take all the dollars in return for producing products at attractive
prices what can we do? Pray I suppose!
bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
All the best,
Roger Pearse
All the best to you, you hypocritical *****,
Tom
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
17 Jan 2005 02:02:13 PM |
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On 15 Jan 2005 08:13:24 -0800, wrote:
bob young wrote:
wrote:
This is indeed how the religious position of atheists evolves --
convenience, leading to irrational conformity of whatever values
and
ideas are fashionable at the time. Christians, on the other hand,
believe in something that can be defined.
That little story obviously hit home judging my your response. i
hope you
learned a 'thing or two'
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You hypocritical scumbag. You have no idea what our values are.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
17 Jan 2005 02:31:23 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:02:13 GMT, John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 08:13:24 -0800, wrote:
bob young wrote:
wrote:
This is indeed how the religious position of atheists evolves --
convenience, leading to irrational conformity of whatever values
and
ideas are fashionable at the time. Christians, on the other hand,
believe in something that can be defined.
That little story obviously hit home judging my your response. i
hope you
learned a 'thing or two'
Sadly it is not me that needs to learn something here... Why not open
your mind and examine the values you live by critically?
You hypocritical scumbag. You have no idea what our values are.
Remember, the moron imagines that people can't be trusted to determine
what is right and wrong themselves. So in his deluded fantasies they
need the several-thousand-year-old book to tell them, with the treat
or reward from an imaginary alpha male. Instead of determining right
and wrong by the effect of our actions on others.
All the best,
Hypocrite.
Roger Pearse
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
09 Jan 2005 07:06:06 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in
news:41DFBA99.DB2CD988@netvigator.com:
Gactimus wrote:
A search of http://www.infidels.org shows...
4280 articles with the word "Jesus".
3410 articles with the word "Christ".
583 articles with the word "resurrection".
223 articles with the word "apostle".
211 articles with the word "Noah".
197 articles with the word "Trinity".
194 articles with the word "Josephus".
It seems like all you infidels do is obsess about Christianity.
You are so obsessed with your religion you think atheists direct
their common sense remarks against you alone!?
Atheists have no common sense.
Because they disagree with you?
They're the only people I know that organize
over a "lack of belief".
It's not easy not to believe in our culture. At least it isn't
(usually) deadly.
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| User: "Wolf Shedler" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
09 Jan 2005 07:22:08 PM |
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if xians didn't exist i would be just as happy. a bit less to ***** about
but i am sure there would still be lots of nuts left. w
"cactus" <baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote in message
news:2ykEd.2914$Ii4.1587@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Gactimus wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in
news:41DFBA99.DB2CD988@netvigator.com:
Gactimus wrote:
A search of http://www.infidels.org shows...
4280 articles with the word "Jesus".
3410 articles with the word "Christ".
583 articles with the word "resurrection".
223 articles with the word "apostle".
211 articles with the word "Noah".
197 articles with the word "Trinity".
194 articles with the word "Josephus".
It seems like all you infidels do is obsess about Christianity.
You are so obsessed with your religion you think atheists direct
their common sense remarks against you alone!?
Atheists have no common sense.
Because they disagree with you?
They're the only people I know that organize
over a "lack of belief".
It's not easy not to believe in our culture. At least it isn't
(usually) deadly.
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| User: "-Alan aa#1608 BAAWA" |
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06 Jan 2005 08:43:00 PM |
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Hmmm... Let's have a website that's dedicated to exploring how the
religious seek to influence the secular world -- but they can't use any
religious terms. Yeah, right.
You really *are* an idiot, aren't you, Stubby?
-Alan
aa#1608 BAAWA
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| User: "Jim Ward" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
07 Jan 2005 02:42:26 AM |
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In a Naipaul's "A House for Mr. Biswas", Mr. Biswas is an atheist
(primarily because everyone else is a proud but poor brahmin). Every
time one of his houses gets blessed by a pandit (via his wife's
urging), something goes wrong ... so atheism and theism don't mix!
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| User: "Sam Culotta" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
07 Jan 2005 12:48:03 PM |
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"Jim Ward" <tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote in message
news:fqist0h9se9ri1f4cofh3e5eafjn1b10tf@4ax.com...
In a Naipaul's "A House for Mr. Biswas", Mr. Biswas is an atheist
(primarily because everyone else is a proud but poor brahmin). Every
time one of his houses gets blessed by a pandit (via his wife's
urging), something goes wrong ... so atheism and theism don't mix!
So his is not a religious conviction but a practical one based on an
illogical premise. In this, isn't he actually turning faith on its head ?
Reminds me of the story of the nuns in some primitive culture trying to
teach the rhythm method of birth control They gave the women necklaces of
colored beads which were to be rotated daily. On days when a red bead was
in position they were to avoid having sex with their husbands. Pregnancies
did not decline because when the women wanted sex on a "red bead " day they
simply slid a black bead into place.
Sam.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
07 Jan 2005 01:03:07 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:42:26 -0500, Jim Ward
<tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote:
In a Naipaul's "A House for Mr. Biswas", Mr. Biswas is an atheist
(primarily because everyone else is a proud but poor brahmin). Every
time one of his houses gets blessed by a pandit (via his wife's
urging), something goes wrong ... so atheism and theism don't mix!
It's a long time since I read it.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Atheists -- Obsessed with Christianity |
09 Jan 2005 11:18:45 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:42:26 -0500, Jim Ward
<tomcatpolka@NyOaShPoAoM.com> wrote:
In a Naipaul's "A House for Mr. Biswas", Mr. Biswas is an atheist
(primarily because everyone else is a proud but poor brahmin). Every
time one of his houses gets blessed by a pandit (via his wife's
urging), something goes wrong ... so atheism and theism don't mix!
That's right! Reason (atheism) and insanity (Christianity) don't mix.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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